Epidemija koronavirusa (Covid-19 / SARS-Cov2) - dnevne aktuelnosti iz zemlje i sveta

[Darko]

3 hours ago, koca popovic said:

 Zakljucak je da poslije tri doze i prelezanim omikronom smo najspremniji za moguci sljedeci virus.

Super, drago mi je da sam u krugu najspremnijih 

[Laki21]

To što planira/radi Norveška savršeno je smisleno, uzimajući u obzir da je ogromna većina stanovništva maksimalno zaštićena vakcinama.

 

Kada na to dodaju i "prirodnu" zaštitu nakon preležane bolesti, dobija se još bolji rezultat.

 

I to je u principu put kojim treba da idu svi koji su postigli slične rezultate pri vakcinaciji.

[Koca Popovic]

17 minutes ago, Laki21 said:

To što planira/radi Norveška savršeno je smisleno, uzimajući u obzir da je ogromna većina stanovništva maksimalno zaštićena vakcinama.

 

Kada na to dodaju i "prirodnu" zaštitu nakon preležane bolesti, dobija se još bolji rezultat.

 

I to je u principu put kojim treba da idu svi koji su postigli slične rezultate pri vakcinaciji.

Ma ovi moji su kao usporeni film. Ali poenta je da su zakljucili da se od ovoga ne mogu odbraniti. Kako citam i cujem od poznanika kako je sve otvoreno u Srbiji a kako je to ovdje , onda se tu nesto ne slaze. Neko mnogo zeza statistiku. Ja nesto nisam siguran da se ovdje uvecavaju podaci. Norvezani su kao Skotlandjani. Sve ide na to koliki su gubitci.

[Laki21]

Pa ne može se odbraniti, u pravu su, to i jeste poenta, izabrati vreme kada se zaraziti.

[erwin]

  

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Omicron variant of COVID may be the most contagious virus to ever exist, scientists say
The only rival for omicron in terms of known contagious viruses is the measles

While the COVID-19 pandemic has been undeniably bad, the extremely contagious omicron variant is setting scientific records. The mutant SARS-CoV-2 variant came seemingly out of nowhere, continues to have unknown origins and has so far spawned several ominous relatives including the so-called "Son of Omicron."

Now, scientists have revealed something particularly disturbing: The omicron variant is either the first or second most contagious virus known to humanity, depending on how you measure it.

The slight uncertainty between gold and silver place depends on how you define "most contagious of all time." If you do so by measuring the speed at which a disease spreads throughout the planet, then omicron is the clear winner.

"You can have an extraordinarily contagious virus, we see that right now with COVID," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of infectious diseases at the Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told Salon. "COVID is approaching the contagiousness of the virus that we think is the most contagious ever studied, namely the measles."

The measles virus was long considered the gold standard for contagiousness. The virus has a reproductive number (R0) that varies between 3.7 to 203.3, meaning that one infected person is apt to infect between 3.7 and 203.3 people. In the sixteenth century, two-thirds of the indigenous population of Cuba was killed by the disease.

Other scientists concurred with Schaffner's conclusion that is is approaching the contagiousness of measles.

"Omicron is certainly the most rapidly spreading virus among the ones we have been able to investigate at this level of detail," Dr. William Hanage, an epidemiologist and the co-director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at Harvard University, told El Pais. 

As PolitiFact succinctly explained, "When measuring the speed of global spread, the omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2 is the fastest in history, experts say." Yet things get murkier when you define contagiousness by how quickly a disease spreads between individuals. At that point, it starts facing steep competition from measles.

"One of the things about Omicron that is very different from all of the other variants of this COVID virus is that its transmissibility efficiency is at least twice what any of the other strains of this COVID virus has been," Deborah Hayes, president and CEO of The Christ Hospital, said during a briefing with reporters earlier this month. "It is a virus that spreads almost as, if not as, easily as measles."

Some argue that omicron does indeed spread faster and easier than measles. Dr. Roby Bhattacharyya, a physician and infectious disease expert at Massachusetts General Hospital, told El Pais that omicron has an advantage over measles because of how it spreads. If you look at the amount of time which elapses between a person becomes infectious and the people they infect also become infectious, that takes an average of 12 days for the measles and only four or five days for omicron.

"One case of measles would cause 15 cases within 12 days. One case of omicron would give rise to another six at four days, 36 cases at eight days and 216 after 12 days," Bhattacharyya pointed out. This makes omicron unusually infectious even when compared to the measles — and certainly quite infectious if compared to the previous SARS-CoV-2 viruses that caused COVID-19.

"Omicron's reproductive number (R0) is estimated to be as high as 10, second only to the extremely infectious measles, mumps, pertussis, and varicella," Vanderbilt University's Dr. Sanjay Mishra and Dr. Jeremy Warner wrote in The Cancer Letter. "This compares to R0 of 2.5 for the original strain of SARS-CoV-2 and ~5 for delta. Because this number is an exponential coefficient, a "doubling" of R0 portends for an extreme jump in infectiousness."

Even after omicron has left the scene, there are still lingering conditions for new mutant viruses like omicron to emerge.

"It's a certainty," Dr. William Haseltine, a biologist renowned for his work in confronting the HIV/AIDS epidemic, fighting anthrax and advancing knowledge of the human genome, told Salon earlier this month when asked if other variants should be expected. "It's not a fear. There will be more variants. It is as close to a certainty as you can get."

https://www.salon.com/2022/01/27/omicron-variant-of-may-be-the-most-contagious-to-ever-exist-scientists-say/

[erwin]

  

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Deepti Gurdasani

28 tweets • 7 min read

Really worried about the direction things are moving in globally. BA.2 and BA.1.1. seem to be sweeping to dominance in different regions rapidly. Pandemic growth has also resumed in many places including England, & more recently Gauteng. A thread looking at the current evidence.

Remember that the virus is continuously mutating and evolving. There are 4 sublineages of omicron currently identified BA.1, BA.2, BA.3, and BA.1.1. There are several differences between these. e.g. BA.1.1 has the R346K mutation additional to BA.1.

BA.2 differs on several positions. An important one for detection is the deletion that allowed us to initially detect omicron on some PCR tests as 'spike gene drop out' or SGTF. This means that BA.2 will *not* appear as SGTF (unlike BA.1 that does) 

BA.2 is now growing to dominance rapidly against a BA.1 background in many parts of the world - Denmark and Gauteng (where it is dominant now)- suggesting it has a growth advantage over BA.1. It has rapidly gained dominance in Denmark, where cases continue to rise.

Data from Denmark appear to suggest a considerable growth advantage - potentially 1.5 fold of BA.2 over BA.1. This will mean faster pandemic growth, and make it harder to contain this even with NPIs.

 

In Norway, *both* BA.2 and BA.1.1 seem to be rising against a BA.1 background - which is declining. This will be an important context to understand the relative advantages of BA.2 and BA.1.1 against each other given BA.1.1 is rapidly rising in the US as well.

BA.2 has become dominant in Gauteng, where cases
are rising again (just 2 months after the omicron outbreak).

 

In England BA.2 rising rapidly. B.1.1 has also been rising, but looks lie BA.2 is outcompeting all (not visible on this graph but can be seen in the SGTF ONS data in the linked tweet) - ~5.5% of cases and rising.

 

In the US, BA.1 seems to be being rapidly replaced by BA.1.1 in some states

 

So what we're seeing is newer sublineages of omicron outcompeting previous ones. The advantage of one over the other is unclear- it could be 1) escape (i.e. BA.2 or BA.1.1 escape immunity better) or 2) transmissibility 

The UKHSA data suggests vaccine efficacy is similar for BA.1 & BA.2 - this means that at least vaccines against the original virus are similarly protective against BA.1 and BA.2 (i.e. much lower VE than delta, but not different between the 2 sublineages)

Of course this doesn't really tell us about the protection to BA.2 infection among those who very recently got infected with BA.1. It'll be important to understand this, but it is possible that the advantage is being driven by increase in intrinsic transmissibility 

Overall, this isn't good- what we're seeing is rapid adaptation, and emergency of sublineages, fitter than the original, which means it becomes very hard to contain the pandemic, as the virus gets fitter. Bizarrely we're easing mitigations in England in the middle of this! 

Drops in cases have plateaued in England and cases are now at ~100K/day. And BA.2, which seems to have a significant growth advantage is rising to dominance, just as we have dropped plan B measures and school mitigations. What could possible go wrong? 

To make things worse, UKHSA vaccine report paints a dire picture with vaccine efficacy, even for severe disease waning significantly over time. Remember that a reduction in vaccine efficacy 96% to 88% (Delta 2 dose vs omicron booster) was a 3x increase in risk. 

Now, it seems that protection even against hospitalisation wanes even further at 10+ weeks. While 70-80% protection sounds great, remember this is a *huge* reduction from where we were with delta, and will have significant impact on hospitalisation rates at population level.

Protection against infection is even lower, and wanes even more. Even protection against mortality appears to wane, but lots of uncertainty around these estimates so need to be viewed with caution.

Overall, we seem to be in a continuing pandemic, with very high case numbers, 1,800 COVID-19 deaths/wk (no sign of these reducing yet). And fitter lineages on track to become dominant in the coming weeks, at the point we've eased all mitigations and cases are at 100K/day. 

The situation is dire across the world after all the claims of 'mildness' and endemicity. You just need to look across Europe, the US, and Israel to see that the cases have sadly translated into many people who have been severely ill and thousands of preventable deaths. 

In the middle of this bizarrely much of the media is talking about the pandemic as if it's over, when in fact there doesn't appear to be an end in sight - at least in much of the Western world which has massively screwed up it's response. 

To the 'but it's mild' cabal, unfortunately the sheer numbers of cases are translating to severe pressures on health systems and increase in the number of preventable deaths, as many of us said would happen (but were ignored).

Rather than acknowledging we need to adapt to this quickly by putting in place long-term measures like better ventilation, changing the way we work (more working from home), high grade masks in indoor & crowded spaces, we're continuing to be in denial. 

We can contain this- this is an airborne virus. Many countries have done this far more successfully than we have. But the biggest threat we face now isn't SARS-CoV-2. It's denial that we need change and long-term solutions. Denial will prolong the pandemic and kill many more. 

We need a suppression strategy. This level of illness, death, mass disruption of healthcare systems and education isn't something we can and should live with. We can do so much better. Why aren't we? We're still continuing to rely solely on vaccines even as we watch efficacy wane 

Every time a new variant of concern emerges our vaccines become less and less robust and durable, but we're doing nothing to manage the huge uncertainty associated with this. We need suppression strategies. Countries that have done this are doing *much* better. 

This is really the only way of 'living with it' that's sustainable and feasible. It's better for health, economy, society. Why aren't we doing this? An appeal to journalists- please stop platforming deniers. 

We need solutions, but we can't even discuss these if the narrative is 'it's over'. We need to move on from this part of narrative to discussing long-term solutions, but that needs us to stop normalising what is a pandemic and a crisis, so we can act. 

If you believe 'it's over', just look around you- talk to healthcare workers, teachers, parents, those living with long COVID, carers, clinically vulnerable people, frontline workers. It isn't over. Not by a long shot. 

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1487070531702693891.html

 

[erwin]

[erwin]

[Pletilja]

Mislim da sam ipak nesto pokupila od unuka a on od one druge bake, bolesne: 3 dan nakon prvog kontakta sa detetom a to je bilo u ponedeljak, pocela sam da kijam, rafalno, da mi curi iz nosa, da me pece u grlu, laka glavobolja.....provela sam prilicno kosmarnu noc, znam da sam odmah uzela 2 x 5000 ij D3, duplu dozu od redovne, nek mi se nadje, temperatura 36,9, poprilicno iznad mog proseka 35,5, odrala nos brisuci ga i nekako docekala jutro. Do podne sledeceg dana - ko nova. Osim sto me bole misici, sto sam malcice smorena. Nista nisam prijavila deci, mrzi me da zbog jedne neprospavane noci i slinavog nosa idem mecki na rupu, t.j. u ambulantu da se testiram, racunacu da smo se Omikron i ja sreli, pitali za zdravje i otisli svako na svoju stranu. Nema teorije da zarazim nekog, sama sam u stanu, napolju je led, imam sve sto mi treba tako da cu biti u samoizolaciji nekoliko dana.....unuk je dobro, nema nikakave simptome, ide u skolu..... 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 29, 2022 by Pletilja

[vilhelmina]

20 hours ago, implant said:

 

Srećom, imam lekara u porodici (u SWE) koji je, btw, protiv uzimanja i antivirotika i antibiotika za ovakve simptome...a pošto sam uzeo antibiotik pre konsultacije sa njom rekla mi je ok, ako si počeo ispij, ali nemoj da uzimaš i taj antivirotik preko. Antivirotik je ionako stigao tek jutros, nema nekog smisla da počnem da ga pijem tek četvrtog dana sa simptomima...

 

19 hours ago, Laki21 said:

 

Pričam jutros sa radnicom, njenoj prijateljici koja živi u Švedskoj umro muž, kod kuće od posledica preležanog kovida. Ne znam da li je bio vakcinisan ili ne (ne zna ni ona (radnica), bilo joj neprijatno da pita).

 

Što se tiče odnosa lekara prema njemu, staviću citat: "u Švedskoj, lekari nisu uzeli baš ozbiljno njegove tegobe na koje se žalio".

 

Tako da, rekao bih da ne cveta cvetje ni u njihovo preduzetje.

 

 

Ovde su dve razlicite stvari u pitanju, obe tipicne za Svedsku. Prva je da su protokoli lecenja raznih infekcija vrlo restriktivni u pogledu lekova, posebno antibiotika. Po meni, sasvim ispravno.

Drugo, a sto nikako ne moze biti ispravno, jeste teska dostupnost lekara, sito i reseto kroz koje se mora proci da bi uopste nekog sreo. A i tada imas deset minuta da izdeklamujes sve sto te muci, pri cemu je tvoja odgovornost da kazes ono sto je u tvom slucaju kljucno, jer on nema vremena da te propituje. Ako kazes boli me glava i umoran sam, dobices savet za paracetamol i da vise spavas. Lekar se nece udubljivati u uzroke, i to ne zato sto je nekompetentan ili mu fali empatije, nego sto mu je ovakav protokol, deset minuta i cao zdravo. Nesto je sasvim drugo kad se nekako dodje do ozbiljnije dijagnoze. Onda imas svu paznju ovog sveta, prvoklasno lecenje i negu.

Ali ova pandemija je takva. Relativno zdravi ljudi se javljaju s difuznim i nejasnim simptomima, koje cesto ne znaju dobro da opisu. Nekad je i jezik problem (obostrano) i onda se lako propuste vazne stvari. Tako se lako dese i tragedije kao ova sto @Laki21opisuje.

U osnovi svega je nedostatak lekara i ostalog medicinskog osoblja, ali pogresno bi bilo zakljuciti da ih ovde nema. Problem je sto se skrtari na primarnoj zdravstvenoj zastiti. Regioni, cija je to odgovornost, ne zele da zaposle i plate vise od ovog broja. Nema te potrebe, ukljucujuci stalni porast broja stanovnika, a sada i pandemiju, koja bi ih na to naterala.

[Ridji]

Boga mi dobro nas prodrmao omikron, ako je on ako nije delta, noćas.

Još od podneva sam osećao temperaturu, do 37,5-37,6 ali uglavnom malo nižu. Uveče smo trebali da kupamo dete i supruga je lepo predlagala da preskočimo ali ja u fazonu ma nije mi ništa. E sad problem je što kad kupamo bebu u kupatilu je pretoplo 26-27 stepeni, nakon toga u sobi gde ga presvlacimo sam direktno bio izložen grejalici. 15ak minuta nakon sto smo završili kupanje osećam nalet hladnoće i nekontrolisano drhtanje. Temperatura 39, ali nekarakteristicno za mene i temperaturu osećam kako mi glava gori, kljuca, a ne grudi i noge. Jedva spustih na 38,2-38,3 tusiranjem, tilolom i oblogama. Tokom noći, dok sam spavao išlo je 37,7-38,4 medjutim kad je supruga izmerila temperaturu i bebi začas sam se ohladio.

 

@urosg3 je imao pravo, strašno raste apetit i nonstop dolazi osećaj gladi 

[Sunshine State]

Meni danas 6. dan i uradim jutros test da vidim sta se desava - i dalje lepo pozitivna, sto znaci da je viral load bas bio dobar, ali obzirom na moje simptome, zakljucujem da dve vakcine, prethodna covid infekcija i moj imuni sistem sasvim lepo rade posao!

[Sunshine State]

Obzirom na cinjenicu da se u Srbiji ne radi sekvencioniranje, pa nemaju pojma koliki je udeo omikrona i delte trenutno, taman i da je samo 10 % delta, na tako velike brojeve zarazenih 15-20000 (nezvanicno i do 50000), mi i dalje imamo veliki pool za deltu - preko 2000 dnevno; delta je ozbiljnija, dovodi do veceg broja hospitalizacija i smrti, cime jedino koze da se objasni da nama opet raste broj umrlih.

 

U NL, na primer, na 60-70000 zarazenih dnevno, imaju jednocifren broj umrlih, pa do nekih 20-ak - kombinacija vakcine i blazeg soja (da, definitivno je omikron blazi, jer da nije, imali bismo Bergamo po celoj EU sad)

[urosg3]

1 hour ago, Ridji said:

Boga mi dobro nas prodrmao omikron, ako je on ako nije delta, noćas.

Još od podneva sam osećao temperaturu, do 37,5-37,6 ali uglavnom malo nižu. Uveče smo trebali da kupamo dete i supruga je lepo predlagala da preskočimo ali ja u fazonu ma nije mi ništa. E sad problem je što kad kupamo bebu u kupatilu je pretoplo 26-27 stepeni, nakon toga u sobi gde ga presvlacimo sam direktno bio izložen grejalici. 15ak minuta nakon sto smo završili kupanje osećam nalet hladnoće i nekontrolisano drhtanje. Temperatura 39, ali nekarakteristicno za mene i temperaturu osećam kako mi glava gori, kljuca, a ne grudi i noge. Jedva spustih na 38,2-38,3 tusiranjem, tilolom i oblogama. Tokom noći, dok sam spavao išlo je 37,7-38,4 medjutim kad je supruga izmerila temperaturu i bebi začas sam se ohladio.

 

@urosg3 je imao pravo, strašno raste apetit i nonstop dolazi osećaj gladi 

Jesmo rekli nema prepisivanja 🙂

Brate sve isto, večeras kad legneš na spavanje stavi neku motku pored sebe da možeš da se odbraniš u snu, i pazi se Talibana sa Karaburme, opasno zajebana ekipa...

1 hour ago, Sunshine State said:

Meni danas 6. dan i uradim jutros test da vidim sta se desava - i dalje lepo pozitivna, sto znaci da je viral load bas bio dobar, ali obzirom na moje simptome, zakljucujem da dve vakcine, prethodna covid infekcija i moj imuni sistem sasvim lepo rade posao!

E pa tako se to radi, iskusno, iskusno...

[erwin]

9 hours ago, erwin said:

 

 

Nevakcinisani:

 

80+:
delta: 11,6%
omikron: 4,8%

za 59% manja smrtnost od omikrona nego od delte

 

60-79:
delta: 3,9%
omikron: 1,8%

za 54% manja smrtnost od omikrona nego od delte

 

Potpuno vakcinisani po osnovnom protokolu bez bustera:

 

80+:
delta: 4,7%, za 59% manja smrtnost nego kod nevakcinisanih
omikron: 2,4%, upola manja smrtnost nego kod nevakcinisanih

za 49% manja smrtnost od omikrona nego od delte

 

60-79:
delta: 0,9%, za 77% manja smrtnost nego kod nevakcinisanih
omikron: 0,4%, za 78% manja smrtnost nego kod nevakcinisanih

za 56% manja smrtnost od omikrona nego od delte

 

Potpuno vakcinisani po osnovnom protokolu sa busterom:

 

80+:
delta: 3,8%, za 67% manja smrtnost nego kod nevakcinisanih
omikron: 0,75%, za 84% manja smrtnost nego kod nevakcinisanih

za 80% manja smrtnost od omikrona nego od delte

 

60-79:
delta: 1%, za 74% manja smrtnost nego kod nevakcinisanih, čak nešto veća nego kod onih koji nisu primili buster, verovatno u granicama statističke greške
omikron: 0,1%, za 94% manja smrtnost nego kod nevakcinisanih

za 90% manja smrtnost od omikrona nego od delte

 

Zaključci: nevakcinisani i nebusterovani stariji od 60 umiru 50-60% manje nego što su umirali od delte, busterovani stariji od 60 umiru za 80-90% manje, buster za deltu nije značajan kod 60-79, a kod 80+ donosi malo smanjenje smrtnosti. Za razliku od toga, buster kod omikrona donosi vrlo značajno smanjenje smrtnosti u odnosu na samo osnovni protokol vakcinacije.

 

Edit: i još jedan način prikaza istih rezultata:

Edited January 29, 2022 by erwin

[erwin]

 

[Милица]

Ja vas najlepse molim da mi objasnite kako se stize do ovih brojki o procentualnom ucescu delte i omege kod zarazenih i preminulih. Da li se svakom obolelom odredjuje koji soj ga je napao? 

Meni ovo sad vec lici na onu reklamu za sampon protiv opadanja kose cija je efikasnost 36.31%  .

Ovi izvestali se prave kao da je vakcina jedini kriterijum po kom treba deliti ljude. 

Moze li @erwinda nam nadje neke podatke u vezi ovoga:

Da li gubitak kilograma može da zaštiti od kovida-19?

https://rs.n1info.com/zdravlje/da-li-gubitak-kilograma-moze-da-zastiti-od-kovida-19/

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/03/health/covid-weight-loss-wellness/index.html

 

 

Svaki vakcinisani gojazan covek trebao bi da se zapita ima li pravo da osudjuje zdravog mladog coveka koji se nije vakcinisao i da li je on, vakcinisuci se, vise doprineo sprecavanju sirenja kovida od ovog drugog posto mnoge studije potvrdjuju da celije masnog tkiva virus koristi kao inkubator... 

 

[Милица]

Evo nesto o inkubatorima virusa

https://amp.dw.com/sr/korona-se-krije-u-masnim-ćelijama/a-60102697

[Kronostime]

@Milica Tesko da ces dragog da bacis na dijetu sa ovim.

[Eddard]

@Milica

 

Mešaš babe i žabe, to je rizik za samog debelog pojedinca, ne i za njegovu okolinu. Taj koji je debeo je opasan samo za sebe, ne i za druge i ne može nikako više da širi virus nego nevakcinisan.

 

Kad se kaže inkubator u tim člancima, ne misli se na inkubator u smislu širenja, već na inkubator u smislu dugoročnog dejstva virusa na organizam i nanošenja veće i dugotrajne štete po debelog. 

 

A debeli tako opasno bolestan, neće sigurno ići po komšiluku i gradu i širiti virus. 

 

I da dodam i ovo, logično je da svako ko je bolestan sedi kući i ne širi virus dalje, tako da taj tvoj bolesni masni ne igra veliku ulogu u prenošenju. Ako igra (tj. ne sedi kući), onda je budala, ali ne zato što je debeo. 

Edited January 29, 2022 by Eddard

[Милица]

Inkubator virusa nije opasan za okolinu?

Nije opasan ni za zdravstveni sistem? Kod njega korona stanuje mnogo duze jer mu je imuni sistem oslabljen pa ne moze da se izbori sa virusom, samim tim je duze zarazan od coveka normalne tezine.  Neobuzdanim prejedanjem i fizickom neaktivnoscu doveli su sebe u poziciju da budu teret zdravstveg sistema. Ovo je vise nego neodgovorno. Da nisu gojazni smanjili bi mogucnist da zbog korone zavrse na intenzivnoj i da  zauzmu nekom bolnicki krevet. 

Znam lakse je zavrnuti rukav i misliti da si dao ogroman doprinos u borbi protiv virusa, nego hraniti se zdravo i vezbati. 

[handys]

28 minutes ago, Eddard said:

@Milica

 

Mešaš babe i žabe, to je rizik za samog debelog pojedinca, ne i za njegovu okolinu. Taj koji je debeo je opasan samo za sebe, ne i za druge i ne može nikako više da širi virus nego nevakcinisan.

 

Kad se kaže inkubator u tim člancima, ne misli se na inkubator u smislu širenja, već na inkubator u smislu dugoročnog dejstva virusa na organizam i nanošenja veće i dugotrajne štete po debelog. 

 

A debeli tako opasno bolestan, neće sigurno ići po komšiluku i gradu i širiti virus. 

 

I da dodam i ovo, logično je da svako ko je bolestan sedi kući i ne širi virus dalje, tako da taj tvoj bolesni masni ne igra veliku ulogu u prenošenju. Ako igra (tj. ne sedi kući), onda je budala, ali ne zato što je debeo. 

 

Malo kad reflektujem, najveca steta od antivakserskih pokreta je sto se sama rec 'vakcina' postala nesto o cemu treba da razglabamo. I cak i neko ko pristaje na vakcinaciju cesto malo ustukne pre pristanka, kao da je rec o kolonoskopiji bez anestezije.

Cemu opravdavanje nevakcinisanih? Iza njihovih odluka stoje strah i neznanje, drskost ili glupost ili finansijski interes. Nista od toga nema opravdanje.

 

Edited January 29, 2022 by handys

[Kronostime]

20 minutes ago, Milica said:

Inkubator virusa nije opasan za okolinu?

Nije opasan ni za zdravstveni sistem? Kod njega korona stanuje mnogo duze jer mu je imuni sistem oslabljen pa ne moze da se izbori sa virusom, samim tim je duze zarazan od coveka normalne tezine.  Neobuzdanim prejedanjem i fizickom neaktivnoscu doveli su sebe u poziciju da budu teret zdravstveg sistema. Ovo je vise nego neodgovorno. Da nisu gojazni smanjili bi mogucnist da zbog korone zavrse na intenzivnoj i da  zauzmu nekom bolnicki krevet. 

Znam lakse je zavrnuti rukav i misliti da si dao ogroman doprinos u borbi protiv virusa, nego hraniti se zdravo i vezbati. 

Milice -  nikad nije mis crk`o pod plastom sena.

[shonke]

4 hours ago, Sunshine State said:

Meni danas 6. dan i uradim jutros test da vidim sta se desava - i dalje lepo pozitivna, sto znaci da je viral load bas bio dobar, ali obzirom na moje simptome, zakljucujem da dve vakcine, prethodna covid infekcija i moj imuni sistem sasvim lepo rade posao!

 

Kako si se testirala, nos + grlo?

[Sunshine State]

6 minutes ago, shonke said:

 

Kako si se testirala, nos + grlo?

 

Ovaj put samo nos....i ako smem da dodam, ja to onako momacki zaorem, u poredjenju s onim kako rade u test centrima (bilo u Srbiji, bilo u NL)