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Koje finale prizeljkujete?  

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  1. 1. Koje finale prizeljkujete?

    • Argentina - Maroko
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    • Hrvatska - Francuska
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    • Argentina - Francuska
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    • Hrvatska - Maroko
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2 minutes ago, alpaka Bereta Sida said:

Messi je budalom pravio bukvalno sve elitne defanzivce svijeta zadnjih 15 godina tako da nije nikakva sramota za Gvardiola sto ga je Messi okrenuo 1 na 1.

Naravno da nije. Trebao je da ga faulira samo dok su bili van 16, ali ok 🙂

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16 minutes ago, alpaka Bereta Sida said:

Messi je budalom pravio bukvalno sve elitne defanzivce svijeta zadnjih 15 godina tako da nije nikakva sramota za Gvardiola sto ga je Messi okrenuo 1 na 1.

Plus je Gvardiol igrao pod injekcijama (očito ona ozljeda na utakmici s Brazilom). Al i to što kažeš, kojeg to stopera Messi nije niti jednom okrenuo?

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Gvardiol je sjajan i eto konačno (ozbiljnog) prospekta na poziciji štopera, a da je s ovih prostora. Kod tog 3. gola je ispratio Mesija čak dva puta, ali preveliki je to majstor fudbala da ne promuva loptu treći put. I bolji od njega su igrali lošiju odbranu nad Mesijem, ipak je to jedan od najboljih ikada, ne napadač iz naše bedne lige.

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Svaki štoper mora nekad da kiksne, ispadne. Svojevremeno su Vidiću, najboljem odbrambenom u istoriji PL prebacivali jer ga je Eto okrenuo u finalu i Tores ga dva puta nadmudrio...

Dečko je sjajno odigrao mundijal i ovo iskustvo, ma koliko bolno, mnogo ce mu pomoci u nastavku blistave karijere.

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Josko Jelicic,"glavni" HRT-ov gost u studiju,kaze da nije bio penal. Njemu u pripremama emisija pomaze ekipa "Tribine"..oni su na svom yt kanalu rekli da jeste bio penal..i to su se sva trojica slozila.
Josko Jelicic navodi Nevila, Kina i ne-znam-jos-kog..da, Kasiljasa..u odbrani stava da nije penal. Goran Vlaovic rekao da jeste..bilo bi postenije da je citirao svog sunarodnika i bivseg reprezentativca. Jos je dodao (Vlaovic): "Zamislite da je obrnuta situacija i da nama nije sviran takav penal".

Mateo Beusan,bivsi sudija i nekadasnje HRT-ovo "Oko sokolovo", takodje rekao da je penal. Kazao da je Livakovic isturio koleno..Alvarez je prebacio loptu u nameri da nastavi kretanje.."srecni smo da nije dao i crveni".
Napali Beusana da je izlapeo. Tipicno za nas prostor - kad nemas argumente,ti vredjaj. To je nas Luster Vrhovnik usavrsio recimo.

Ne pisem sve ovo da bih razbukato neku raspravu..za mene je ono penal kao kuca. Molim sve da me povodom ovoga ne kvotuju. Samo sam hteo ukazati i na drugacija tumacenja "sporne" situacije,a koja dolaze iz same Hrvatske.

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Sto se tice predstojeceg meca: kljuc jeste u rukama Francuske,ali nije svejedno kako ce ga (is)koristiti. Moze biti vrlo neprijatno po njih ako fokus prebace (samo) na to kako da im otkljucaju bravu.
Opasnost protiv Maroka itekako lezi i od marokanskih napada..nisu oni toliko naivni prema napred. Ako im das prostor ili neke prekide,moze postati veoma neugodno.

Mislim da je prvi prioritet Francuza ovde da ne prime gol. Jer ako ga prime,nisam posve siguran da ce dati dva npr.

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Nevil kaže da nije bio penal, ali i u Engleskoj ima gomila komentatora i bivših fudbalera koji kažu da jeste.

 

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But in the BBC Five Live studio, Match of the Day pundit Alan Shearer was in no doubt about the decision made - saying it was a clear penalty.   

Shearer said: 'What a run from Alvarez, he find himself clear. It's wide open for him. He dinks it over the goalkeeper and Livakovic trips him. For me, it was the right decision.' 

Former England goalkeeper Rob Green - also on commentary duty for the station, was in agreement - saying the referee was left with little choice. 

'The ref had to give as soon as Livakovic commits. Once Alvarez gets that nick, Livakovic knows he hasn't won the ball. It was a clear contact, there's not a lot he could do.

'Brilliant penalty from Messi, almost Shearer-esque. He did go the same side as we saw against the Netherlands but he went a lot higher.
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'From that as a goalkeeper, as soon as you commit to the dive, you can't get up, you can't get high. You run the risk of it going over the bar but if you get it right, unstoppable.'

Commentators Ally McCoist and Lee Dixon also believed it was a penalty - as the former made the point that it would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch.

'My initial reaction was that it was a penalty, and having seen the replays I’m convinced it’s a penalty. I can’t understand why they don’t think it’s a penalty to be honest with you, because anywhere else on the pitch it’s a free kick without doubt.   

'What the goalkeeper does, it prevents Alvarez from being through on goal, so I think the referee has got it spot on, I really do.'

Dixon added: 'I can’t understand it all, obviously everyone has a different opinion, the fact that he’s just standing there and he runs into him, that’s not because he’s challenging for the ball.'

And former referee Peter Walton - who often gives his expert opinion from a TV studio - backed the referee and said Livakovic failed to get the ball.

When asked what else the keeper could do, he replied: 'Well win the ball, if he’s challenging for the ball and misses it completely and catches the player, he’s impeded his progress and it has to be the foul. 

'If its an outfield player its aways a foul, with the goalkeeper it has to be the same thing. He needs to make sure he gets some contact on the ball, or he’s impeded the progress of the player. His forward motion has meant a collision happens, it may seem harsh but that is a foul.' 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11534675/Alan-Shearer-insists-RIGHT-decision-Argentina-early-penalty-against-Croatia.html

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