badenac Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 4:22 PM, djole said: Sve ovo što se dešavalo jeste ozbiljna anti-promocija vakcinacije. Tretman Đokovića, ministar koji koristi diskreciono pravo da ga deportuje pritom navodeći razlog koji se ne može nazvati nikako drugačije osim imbecilskim (da ne kažem na šta me tačno podseća da ne bih i ja davao vetar u leđa raznim mentolima), svaki mogući bednik koji se javlja da se zapljune da pokaže da je na "pravoj" strani - sve to sigurno dodaje argumente neopredeljenima (a takvih ima, nisu svi nevakcinisani likovi koji veruju u 5g čipove u vakcinama), a bogami ni onima koji su primili vakcinu ali i dalje nisu potpuno komforni s tom odlukom (i takvih ima mnogo), da u budućnosti ne prime vakcinu. Poverenje u tzv. institucije, stručanjake, naučnike, analitičare i slične je već poljuljano od početka pandemije (može se reći s pravom, poslušajte samo polupanog Faučija ili nekog od ovih domaćih rent-a-epidemiloga šta pričaju pa će vam biti jasno), a ovo što se sad dešavalo je samo korak dalje u tom smeru. S druge strane ne očekujem ni da će neki državni aparatčik to da shvati, pa bio on u Australiji ili Srbiji i zvao se Alex Hawke ili Aca Vulin. Expand Bas tako.Ovakav epilog kao da je narucio sin Roberta Kenedija. Mislim da ce,nazalost ,najveca "tekovina" borbe struke protiv korone biti snazan zamah antivakserstva.Sve manje ljudi ce se vakcinisati,deca ce biti lisavana osnovnih vakcina,stare zarazne bolesti ce se vratiti a sve to zbog bolesne zelje nekih za sto vecim Hirsovim indeksom. A AO 2022. ce biti turnir zarazenih a ko zna,mozda finaliste i pobednike bude odredio PCR test.
BojanaCZV Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 Nisam znala da jos saradjuje sa Pepe Imazom, a ni da mu brat radi kod njega na Akademiji. Takodje nisam znala da ima kucu u Spaniji, pa sam pomislila da ide kod njega. Mislila sam da Jelena i deca zive u Monaku ili Beogradu. Zato sam postavila ono pitanje. Naravno, da je jedino normalno da ide kod zene i dece.
wwww Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 4:31 PM, Wingwalker said: Novak je prilično čvrsto stajao iza svojih principa, iznosio je često u afektu svoja mišljenja o osetljivim temama, retko se rukovodio zadatim, očekivanim i društveni poželjnim pravilima ponašanja koja su zlatni standard na tom nivou a sa druge strane će kumulativnu štetu nastalu usled toga kompenzovati upornim deljenjem srca. Moglo je i moralo to znatno mudrije. Expand (tvoj post mi samo sluzi kao povod za komentar, nemo' da se ljutis ) e pa cvrc! treba li da se ponasa "kao svi na tom nivou" i da ga bas briga za sve ostalo ili da se suprotstavi (nach bestem Wissen und Gewissen = to the best of his knowledge and ability) cemu god smatra da je generalno nepravedno? nikako da se dogovorimo i stalno saljemo konfuzne signale (kao i AO/TA i Australija). tako i sad tokom sveg ovog galamatijasa odmah su se javili neki da zahtevaju momentlno da se on pobrine za one azilante, te da uradi ovo, te da uradi ono (ministar ga sutnu iz zemje jer mu po definiciji pripada uloga roel model-a za mladje generacije, ali samo onakva kakvu "mi" zelimo ). kao i s onom porukom oko Rio Tinta i protesta: jedni ga kritikuju sto nije vise rekao, drugi sto se svrstao, treci ... svetu nikako da ugodi! Jedni ga hvale, drugi žale, treći kažu: "E, moj brale, taj je bio kvaran kao šupalj zub". 1
Drug Crni Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 4:31 PM, Wingwalker said: ,,...vidi, ovo smo izgubili, uvatili nas klošari na foru ali za Pariz ćemo se bolje spremiti...već okupljam preozbiljan tim...a ti samo vidi još malo da poradiš na voleju i sve 5..." " ok, matori..." Expand "Assemble your team Mr.Cobb. And choose your people more wisely"
alcesta Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 4:17 PM, Kooineeperk said: A ovako je sve pocelo, na strani 238. Desetak dana kasnije, vise nego dupliran je broj postova na temi. Dodatnih 6600+ postova u 11 dana, dakle preko 600 postova dnevno. Expand 73 nova posta od prošlog logovanja, ovde ne može čovek ni da se okrene a vi već nagruvali gomilu strana 1
Drug Crni Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 5:15 PM, alcesta said: 73 nova posta od prošlog logovanja, ovde ne može čovek ni da se okrene a vi već nagruvali gomilu strana Expand Gledasj to sa pozitivne strane:ucestvovala si u stvaranju forumske istorijetm. Jer,ovo je sad i verovatno nikada vise.
Gistro Bančo Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) Dobila je svaka šuša svojih pet minuta da ga cipelari. Pri tom…ne treba se varati..tviteri i ostali kurci palci medijski su debelo doprinjeli atmosferi linca i uticali na ishod. E to je ono sto stvarno plasi…odosmo u idiokraciju jbt. Ovo je svjez primjer a bice ih jos..i bice mnogo vaznije stvari na tapetu od Novaka i AO 2022. Do Novakovog oglasavanje (koje se po Ozmi nece desiti prije kraja AO)…nema se sta posebno ni pisati na njegovoj temi u ovom momentu. Ja mu mogu pozeliti da se “sastavi” nakon ovoga i da nastavi igrati tenis. Da nadje snage i nacina da otrese spanskog smrada (da cu nekad tako pomisliti nazvati Rafu ranije, sam bih sebi samar opalio) na RG. Toliko. Edited January 16, 2022 by Gistro Bančo 7
wwww Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-16/serbians-belgrade-angry-australian-government-novak-djokovic/100759260 Quote "In this country, for the last 30 years, we seldom had the opportunity to be joyful," Dr Zoran Radovanovic told the ABC. He is a retired epidemiologist who understands why the country is keen to celebrate a "national hero”. "It is a pretty dire situation … there have been so many wars and we have the same politicians who ruled in the ‘90s,” he said. "Novak and his successes are [rare] opportunities to make people joyful." Expand Quote Djokovic turned into 'anti-vaccine icon' Dr Radovanovic has dedicated much of his life to studying infectious diseases and has been critical of his government’s response to COVID-19. "Our populist government, in order to satisfy all segments of society, promoted both vaccine and anti-vaccination attitudes,” he said. "People got confused that there were such mixed messages and the result is that we have only about 50 per cent of immunised people." After seeing Djokovic’s visa saga play out, he is now also frustrated with the Australian government. "He didn't always brag around here that he is an anti-vaxxer, but now he is an anti-vax icon … it was created by the decisions of the Australian government," he said. Expand Quote He believes the media circus that has developed around the Australian government’s decision to revoke Djokovic's visa, the court challenge, and now the use of ministerial powers, elevated the tennis star's vaccine status. "The vaccination campaign across the world will suffer because Novak now has been promoted as an anti-vaccination icon," he said. Expand Quote Djokovic 'deserves equal treatment' Nikola Kovacevic is a human rights lawyer for the Ideas Centre for Social Research and Social Development in Belgrade and proudly supports vaccinations, but still believes Djokovic is a victim. "In my opinion, when it comes to this case, he should not have been allowed to come to Australia at all, in order to avoid this situation," he told the ABC. "But then when he arrived there were plenty of contentious practices applied to him, and I believe that the judgement of [Judge Anthony] Kelly clearly shows this." "I don't care if this person is Djokovic, but is a refugee from Afghanistan or from Syria, all of them deserve the equal treatment.” Expand Quote He works closely with organisations and individuals seeking asylum and refuge in Serbia and other parts of Europe and believes what Australia has done to Djokovic is bad practice. "The treatment of refugees in Europe, in the Western Balkans, we have push-backs, but we have denial of entry, we have violence at the borders," he said, "This [Australia’s approach to Djokovic] is a bit different, a bit more sophisticated, but at the same time can be equally harmful as the practices that we're witnessing here in eastern Europe." Expand Quote He said if an individual as wealthy, influential and powerful as Djokovic can be treated like this, it shows how little power migrants have when trying to enter Australia. "To a certain extent, he is being bullied by the Australian government," he said. "Imagine if you're not Novak Djokovic, who has many thousands of dollars to pay for the best lawyers." Expand Quote 'They should allow him to play' Djokovic’s treatment is playing on the minds of many in Belgrade. "It's kind of sad what happened because, you know, he's the best in the world and if they can do that to the best tennis player, they can do that to everybody," Vladan Nitic told the ABC in the Serbian capital. Expand Key dates in the Djokovic saga On November 18, Djokovic is granted a temporary activity (subclass 408) visa. Temporary activity visas enable people to work in Australia on a short-term basis, and subclass 408 covers sporting activities. On November 29, Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt writes to Tennis Australia chief executive Craig Tiley, saying players wishing to enter Australia quarantine-free must be fully vaccinated and cannot count a previous infection as a reason for exemption. On December 16, Djokovic undertakes both PCR and rapid antigen COVID tests, according to a statement put out by the tennis star. On December 17, Djokovic participates in events having not yet received a positive COVID test result. On December 18, Djokovic takes part in a media interview despite having received a positive result on the PCR test. On December 30, Djokovic receives a letter from the Chief Medical Officer of Tennis Australia stating he has been granted a "medical exemption from COVID vaccination" on the grounds that he had recently recovered from COVID-19. On January 1, Djokovic receives an automated online confirmation via the Australian Travel Declaration website/app that he met the requirements for a "quarantine-free arrival into Australia where permitted by the jurisdiction of your arrival". Just before midnight on January 5, Djokovic arrives in Melbourne on a flight from Dubai and is detained at the airport. In the early hours of January 6, Djokovic is interviewed by Border Force officials before his visa is cancelled and he is transferred to a Melbourne immigration detention hotel. Later that day, his lawyers file a challenge against the cancellation of his visa. An injunction is granted to allow Djokovic to remain in the country until January 10, the same day a hearing is scheduled in the Federal Circuit Court. On January 10, the court finds Djokovic's visa was unreasonably cancelled and orders his release from detention. After his release, the tennis star publicly states his intention to stay in the country and compete at the Australian Open. On January 13, the Australian Open draw takes place and a match between Djokovic and compatriot Miomir Kecmanovic is scheduled for the first round of the tournament. On January 14, Immigration Minister Alex Hawke uses his ministerial powers to cancel Djokovic's visa on "health and good order grounds". Later that day, Djokovic's lawyers lodge an application at the Federal Circuit Court to appeal against the cancellation. On January 15, the Federal Court confirms it will hear Djokovic's application before a full bench. Djokovic is taken back to immigration detention. On January 16, the Federal Court dismisses Djokovic's application before a full bench.
Prijatelj Mitar Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 5:17 PM, Drug Crni said: Gledasj to sa pozitivne strane:ucestvovala si u stvaranju forumske istorijetm. Jer,ovo je sad i verovatno nikada vise. Expand Bice ovako vec posle RG kad osvoji 21. GS. 1
harmonajzer Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 https://www.b92.net/sport/australianopen2022/vesti.php?nav_id=2089511 (Ne)vakcinisani i RG 2022.
implant Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) On 1/16/2022 at 5:25 PM, Gistro Bančo said: Dobila je svaka šuša svojih pet minuta da ga cipelari. Pri tom…ne treba se varati..tviteri i ostali kurci palci medijski su debelo doprinjeli atmosferi linca i uticali na ishod. E to je ono sto stvarno plasi…odosmo u idiokraciju jbt. Ovo je svjez primjer a bice ih jos..i bice mnogo vaznije stvari na tapetu od Novaka i AO 2022. Do Novakovog oglasavanje (koje se po Ozmi nece desiti prije kraja AO)…nema se sta posebno ni pisati na njegovoj temi u ovom momentu. Ja mu mogu pozeliti da se “sastavi” nakon ovoga i da nastavi igrati tenis. Da nadje snage i nacina da otrese spanskog smrada (da cu nekad tako pomisliti nazvati Rafu ranije, sam bih sebi samar opalio) na RG. Toliko. Expand Ma dobro, cipelarenje će trajati još neko vreme, mora narativ potpuno da se učvrsti i odluka dodatno opravda jer sve je to na jako tankom koncu, što neko lepo reče gore. Toga su svesni svi kojima je posao da budu svesni (znači, nikako zagriženi navijači), kao i oni malo bolje informisani...biće tu još svega i svačega, ali dobro je da su pale sve maske, kao i zablude o tome da ga makar u Australiji vole. Edited January 16, 2022 by implant
Dracarys Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 Ono što niko nije pomenuo, a to je Novakovo ponašanje. Kako se on za ovih desetak dana maltretiranja i kompromitacije poneo gospodski. Malo ljudi bi to uradilo, a to je sam dokaz koliku moralnu i principijelnu čvrstinu poseduje Novak. Drži sebe u kontroli, koliko ljudi uspeva to? Čopor pasa laje, a on prolazi pored njih kao da ne postoje. 11
Kooineeperk Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 4:24 PM, Boxy said: Nemoguce je postici i procitati sta ste sve pisali, pa je moguce da cu se ponoviti. Osnovni problem je bio sto nisu bili jasna pravila: mogu samo vakcinisani i tacka, bez ikakvog izuzeca, bez ikakve sive zone. Djokovicu bas zameram sto se setao zarazen i sto nije uopste pomislio da bi mogao da zarazi nekog ko nema jak imuni sistem, kao sto ga on ima. Takodje, da li niko nije imao da ga posavetuje ili se on inatio i nije hteo da popusti ili mozda iskreno nije mislio da ce sve otici ovoliko daleko, ali trebao je prosli ponedeljak da se pokupi i ode kuci, bio bi pobednik u svakom smislu te reci. Za sve ostalo sto se izdesavalo, za sav ovaj cirkus krivci su TA i vlasti Australije. Expand Slazem se sa celokupnim postom osim sa bold delom. Pravila su bila jasna, inace ne bi aplicirao. Po tim pravilima je i dobio vizu i krenuo na put. Osnovni problem je sto su pravila menjali. 2
alcesta Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 6:56 PM, Dracarys said: Ono što niko nije pomenuo, a to je Novakovo ponašanje. Kako se on za ovih desetak dana maltretiranja i kompromitacije poneo gospodski. Malo ljudi bi to uradilo, a to je sam dokaz koliku moralnu i principijelnu čvrstinu poseduje Novak. Drži sebe u kontroli, koliko ljudi uspeva to? Čopor pasa laje, a on prolazi pored njih kao da ne postoje. Expand Ja sam bila impresionirana kako je izdržao sve one sate na aerodromu posle čitanja transkripta, koji nisam čak ni imala živaca da čitam celog a on je imao živaca da ne izgubi strpljenje tamo, gde bi većini prva reakcija bila u stilu "znaš li ti ko sam ja" i to je sve super, ali je taj utisak o moralnoj i principijelnoj čvrstini poprilično narušio ponašanjem u Beogradu, tako da nisam nešto raspoložena previše da ga hvalim za moralne visine. 1
Dracarys Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 7:02 PM, alcesta said: Ja sam bila impresionirana kako je izdržao sve one sate na aerodromu posle čitanja transkripta, koji nisam čak ni imala živaca da čitam celog a on je imao živaca da ne izgubi strpljenje tamo, gde bi većini prva reakcija bila u stilu "znaš li ti ko sam ja" i to je sve super, ali je taj utisak o moralnoj i principijelnoj čvrstini poprilično narušio ponašanjem u Beogradu, tako da nisam nešto raspoložena previše da ga hvalim za moralne visine. Expand Onda nemamo isti pogled na moral, jer ja smatram da su ta dešavanja u Bg totalno beznačajna u odnosu na kompromitaciju pred celim svetom. Da je čak i jedan Nik Kirjos koji je čitavu karijeru omalovažavao Novaka, sada postao jedan od retkih tenisera koji su jasno stali na njegovu stranu.
alcesta Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 Pa eto, nemamo isti pogled na moral, i to je to. Kirgios me prijatno iznenadio, priznajem, ali još čekam da vidim kako će se ponašati ubuduće, previše puta me je razočarao kad sam već pomislila da se smirio i sazreo
Boxy Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 7:01 PM, Kooineeperk said: Slazem se sa celokupnim postom osim sa bold delom. Pravila su bila jasna, inace ne bi aplicirao. Po tim pravilima je i dobio vizu i krenuo na put. Osnovni problem je sto su pravila menjali. Expand Cim postoje neka izuzeca, to po meni nisu jasna pravila, posto moze ovako a moze i onako. Sa pravilom da samo vakcinisani mogu da igraju, ne postoji prostor za tumacenje, sve je kristalno jasno.
alcesta Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 7:25 PM, Boxy said: Cim postoje neka izuzeca, to po meni nisu jasna pravila, posto moze ovako a moze i onako. Sa pravilom da samo vakcinisani mogu da igraju, ne postoji prostor za tumacenje, sve je kristalno jasno. Expand Pravila nisu ni njima bila jasna jer smo videli da su ih menjali deset puta i pozivali se na različite pravilnike. Niti su jasno iskomunicirali ko je za šta nadležan, i to najverovatnije namerno, da bi posle svi mogli da se prave ludi kako nisu znali. Mislim, eto samo jedan primer, optužen je Kreg Tajli što vladi Viktorije nije javio da je vlada Australije naknadno promenila pravila za ulazak. Ili obrnuto, više ne mogu da pohvatam ko kome šta, ali kakva je to vlada koja ne zna kakva su joj pravila za prelazak granice nego treba to da joj javlja jedan direktor teniskog turnira? 1
erwin Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 7:45 AM, wwww said: ne, nije se uopste raspravljalo o razlozima koje je Ministar naveo da mu ukine vizu, vec samo da li je njegov postupak ukidanja vize bio po zakonu. Zato je sudija rekao da uopste nije bitno da li je Ministar imao ikakav dokaz za ono sto tvrdi, vec smao da je eto on tako mislio. sto ce reci da moze da radi sta hoce, ne postoji pravna instanca u Australiji koja moze u tome da ga spreci (dok taj clan zakona postoji). Expand Tako je, taj zakon je iz '58. '89 su pokušali da ukinu diskreciono pravo ministra pa nije prošlo, a otad je još nekoliko puta dopunjavan kako bi ministru bila davana sve šira ovlašćenja. Quote And since 1989, the Migration Act has actually been amended several times to increase the personal power of the minister. These powers are non-compellable (meaning the minister cannot be required by a court to exercise them). And if exercised correctly, the minister’s decisions are, in effect, unable to be reviewed by the courts. Expand https://theconversation.com/why-one-man-with-god-like-powers-decides-if-novak-djokovic-can-stay-or-go-174773
double fault Posted January 16, 2022 Author Posted January 16, 2022 @ciaosta prica conga ? razumem da se vakcinisao ..... ajd sad ti dalje.hvala . Quote RTLSport @RTLFoot @tsonga7 sur @RTLFrance : « Je suis vacciné. L’affaire Djokovic est allée très loin. Je suis déçu pour lui. Je ne connais pas les tenants et les aboutissants de cette histoire mais les règles australiennes sont claires. C'est triste pour lui et le tournoi. » Expand
ciao Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 Nije mi jasan Conga evo prevescu najpreciznije sto mogu "Ja sam vakcinisan. Afera Djokovic je otisla vrlo daleko. Ja sam razocaran za njega. Ne znam sve u vezi ove price ( uzroke i posledice) ali australijska pravila su jasna. Tuzno je za njega i za turnir " Moracu da pitam prijatelje francuze kako oni ovo tumace i da li im je jasno sta je hteo da kaze ili je hteo nista da ne kaze 1
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