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jos jedna novina od ove godine: dobijaju se bonus pare za one koji su najbolje prosli na 500 turnirima

Karlosu trenutno predstavljaju problem igraci koji igraju brzo i snazno i blizu linija, koji ne cekaju u defanzivi, igraju brzo, ne daju mu vremena, pozuruju ga, a to je igra za indoors. Naravno, Medvedev je posebna prica, ali on je i generalno posena prica. No, Karlos je na travi pokazao da je sposoban vrlo brzo da uci, videcemo da li ce biti vremena za tako nesto ove indoor sezone. Mene zanima sta ce Medvedev da uradi do kraja sezone. Igra sledece sedmice Bec, kao i Siner (bar se jos nije povukao).

Karlos uopste ne mora da zapinje sad na kraju sezone i da eventualno dobije neke ozbiljnije povrede koje ce mu uticati na nastavak karijere. Tek je poceo, mlad je. Mora da nauci da racionalno i ekonomicno rasipa energiju, a ne da juri za svakom lopticom, pa i onom nemogucom za stici. Da nauci od Novaka kako to da radi. Jeste da me je Novak ponekad nervirao kad krene onako u 2. brzini, pa mrljavi i otaljava tamo neke meceve u prvim rundama, umesto da malo stisne gas i bez sokova za publiku resi mec, ali bice da Novak ipak bolje zna od mene sta i kako treba raditi. Tj. kako naci neki optimalan balas potrosnje energije (mentalne i fizicke, ma hajde da dodam i emocionalne, mada mi ide na zivce recitovanje ovog "svetog trojstva" po automatizmu).

Karlos otkazao Bazel, sto ima ove posledice sto se tice Novakovog #1 i YE#1 renkinga: od ranije mu je osigurano 397 sedmica na #1 (tek u ponedeljak posle Pariza bi to eventualno moglo da se promeni). da bi ga Karlos posle Pariza, a pre Torina pretekao na #1 (i sprecio Novaka da dogura do 399 sedmica) potrebno je da osvoji 501 bod vise od Novaka u Parizu. Sto znaci: - Karlos mora da osvoji Pariz, a Novak da ne dodje do finala - Karlos gubi finale, ali Novak gubi ili prvi ili drugi mec u Parizu. dalje, naravno, sve zavisi od toga sta urade u Torinu.

elem, i mene je ovo neracunanje nekih mastersa kod nekih tenisera zbunilo pre nekoliko meseci (neki teniseri dobiju pravo da zamene los rezultat na mastersu, a neki ne), pa sam pitala pametnije od sebe, koji su mi objasnili par detalja oko ove zavrzlame 😁

pa jeste se desila katastrofa, evo pricamo na Politici o tome.

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Shangaj je obavezni masters, zato je morao da zameni najslabiji od "drugih" rezulttata. Ove godine je uvedeno novo pravilo da se los rezultat na nekom mastersu moze zameniti nekim boljim rezultatom s slabijeg turnira, ali ako i samo ako je taj slabiji turnir odigran POSLE doticnog mastersa. Dakle, nema ono: vec ima neki mali turnir s solidnim rezultatom, pa ako na trenutno igrajucem mastersu proce lose uzece mu se vec postojeci dobaar rezultat s malog turnira. Ovo je malo komplikovano za shvatiti (bas su se "potrudili" i napravili totalnu zavrzlamu za pracenje listi). Pretpostavljam da im je bila ideja da kao podstaknu da se igraju ti manji turniri u drugom delu sezone. Npr. ako Fric sad napavi lep rezultat u Tokiju moci ce da sutne rezultat iz Shangaja i racuna Tokio iako mu je kvota za male turnire u ovoj godini ispunjena. Ima sijaset ovakvih slucajeva za manje-vise sve igrace. Npr. Rubljovu je Peking sad zamenio rezultat iz Kanade (10=>45) Zverevu je Peking izbacio rezultat iz Kanade (45=> 180), a Bastad je zamenio Majami (10=>45) max. mogu 3 ovakve zamene da se dese u sezoni.

trebalo bi da su i za zene i za muskarce i isto doba vazila ista pravila sto se tice nosilaca. u tom smislu bi samo poredjenje ATP i WTA u odredjenom intervalu koji je gore analiziran trebalo da bude ok. negde sam videla i neku analizu koliko je razlicitih SF, finalista i pobednika bilo kod zena i kod muskaraca u poslednjih xy GS-ova/godina. kad nadjem postavicu. a videla sam negde i neku analizu soliko je bilo Top10 meceva na WTA turu i na ATP turu ove godine/prosle godine/i mozda i prethodne. u principu: mnogo manje kod zena, sto samo potvrdjuje totalnu nekonstantnost WTA poslednjih godina, za razliku od ATP.

🚴‍♂️Thibaut Pinot i Guillaume Martin - velike SrBende. sta sve nece covek procitati na ovom forumu...

I mean, ATP's DEPTH!!! in late 1990s/early 2000s must have been almost as impressive as WTA's one now.

https://www.eltiempo.com/deportes/tenis/rafael-nadal-infiltraciones-y-dopaje-ciclistas-abren-el-debate-678291 Nadal: “I can't continue competing with my foot asleep, we have to find a solution. I would love to continue racing, so next week I am going to talk to several doctors and look at various options. I will receive a treatment and I hope it will help me, ”he indicated. Well, those statements did not go down well in cycling and several well-known cyclists on the planet have spoken on the subject, because they do not agree with that. Against the wall In cycling, for a long time, the topic of infiltrations has been prohibited, they cannot be carried out, so the Nadal topic did not have a good reaction. “Heroes of today…” wrote Thibaut Pinot, after playing the subject. Nadal said in Paris he couldn't answer how many times he had infiltrated. "It's better that you don't know," Nadal replied to the question. Another recognized cyclist, the French, Guillaume Martin, also referred to the subject. "What Nadal did would have been impossible on the bike, and I think that's normal," he told L'Equipe. And he added: "If you're sick or injured, you don't run, you don't compete (...) They go through heroes, but they are 'substances' to help the pain go away." Martin is one of those who have attacked doping in sport, thanks to the philosophy that is formed in cycling of zero tolerance. In the world of medicine, they do not look favorably on the use of infiltrations for athletes. “You have to know what they infiltrate it with. And the issue is that in cycling that is prohibited, ”Fredy Avella, a doctor, told EL TIEMPO. “In sports there are therapeutic use authorizations. It is clear that it is an advantage for him over the rival because it helps to avoid pain, "said the doctor.

“Today’s heroes…”: Thibaut Pinot and Guillaume Martin question Rafael Nadal’s use of anaesthetic injections during French Open “To say that the limit is between what is prohibited and authorised, that does not seem to me the right criterion." https://road.cc/content/news/pinot-and-martin-question-nadal-injections-293447 “Today’s heroes…”: Thibaut Pinot and Guillaume Martin question Rafael Nadal’s use of anaesthetic injections during French Open “We see too many athletes using this kind of practice in recent weeks,” said the Groupama-FDJ rider “When you have an injection or you use cortisone, there are at least three weeks of effects. Some do [it] just before the races. You are out of competition, but the effect is there,” he told L’Équipe at the time(link is external). “I'm the complete opposite of all of that, but we're still in two-speed cycling I think. “A guy who has a TUE has no place being on a bicycle. He is not fit to compete." “If a cyclist does the same thing, it’s already forbidden,” Cofidis rider Martin said. “But even if it weren’t, everyone would call him doped because there is such a cultural background, such connotations attached to the bike. “While people praise Nadal for being able to go this far in pain. I believe that [AC Milan forward] Zlatan Ibrahimovic also spoke about his knee injections. “They pass for heroes because they go far in pain, but in fact, they use substances to go far in pain and again, it’s very borderline. “The winner on the bike, in particular that of the Tour de France, even if there is no element behind it, he is systematically accused of doping.” “The UCI anti-doping regulations, for me are a minimum. There are plenty of things that are allowed and that I forbid myself. It’s the whole question of grey areas, the use of certain drugs that are normally used to treat cancers, multiple sclerosis for example. “I don’t see myself taking this kind of thing to be a better cyclist. Yet it is allowed. The anti-doping agencies are always behind the times, so I don’t think you have to wait for them to position themselves to adopt their own positions. “It is up to everyone to build their own ethics. I accept that sometimes my results are less good because I follow this ethic, but nevertheless I remain consistent with myself and I am satisfied with that.”

mislim da je on jos pre vise od deceniju totalno rascistio s sobom da ne bi da upotrebljava "injekciju" (shvatiti ovo kao opstu metaforu) da bi postigao odredjene sportske rezultate. Kao sto rece ovaj biciklista u clanku L'equipea. Umesto ubacivanja u telo svakojakih "supstanci" koje bi mu pomogle da postigne bolji performans, odlucio je da "izbaci" iz tela sve ono sto ometa njegovo telo da pruzi maksimum (ono cime se telo "zamajava" umesto da trosi elergiju na sportski performans), plus i da da svom telu najbolji moguci "input". Dalje poboljsanje performasi je islo preko mentalnih vezbi (posto je opste poznato da ljudi mogu da izdrze vece napore i postignu bolje rezultate ako su u posebnom mentalnom stanju).

da li da iz tvog posta zakljucim da bi ti radije podrzao nekoga ko se dopinguje nego nekog ko bi se hranio bio proizvodima? ili da u najmanju ruku smatras da su dopingovanje i prehrana bio proizvodima dva ekstrema, podjednako zla i naopaka?

all this criticism, it really hurts, doctor. wait, I must have something to ease your pain in there

"These heroes who choose performance at the expense of their bodies and at the cost of physical problems so bad they must put them to sleep. Is this the model we want for ourselves and our children?” But he does all this for the love of the game, right?

Nadal's injections in question (AFP) By revealing that he had daily recourse to injections of anesthetic product at RG, Nadal opened the debate on this legal medical practice, between ethics, anti-doping regulations "No TUE committee would give a TUE for the reason of Nadal" "The use of anesthetics is a practice that has certainly become more frequent since this year since it is all that is possible to limit pain locally.“, comments for AFP Dr. François Lhuissier, president of the French Society of Medicine for Exercise and Sport (SFMES). An athlete could hwr use corticosteroids in competition, possibly injected, if he had a TUE Authorization. “No TUE committee would give a TUE for the reason of Nadal. TUEs are not given to allow athletes to practice their sport again, but to return to a normal level of health." In athletics, "these are not at all common practices, at least in France", told AFP Dr. Antoine Bruneau, doctor of the French teams at the French federation. “Whether it is the use of an anesthetic or the injection method, both are not common at the time of competition." "putting a nerve on a lower limb to sleep would cause problems in terms of balance, gestural control. There is a diff. btw running with translation and slides of the tennis and the quality of foot needed in athletics race ... it seems to me hardly possible in principle." “The injection of anesthetics will have no consequences on his health, believes Mr. Luissier "Pain is a natural alarm signal of the human body,” recalls Mr. Bruneau. I wonder if it is beneficial to anesthetize during a competition by depriving an athlete of sensation..." Guillaume Martin on Nadal's infiltrations: "I find it difficult to understand" The climber of the Cofidis team, G. Martin, says he is embarrassed by the use of infiltrations in competition in certain sports and pleads for a standardization of the rules. https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Article/Guillaume-martin-a-propos-des-infiltrations-de-nadal-j-ai-du-mal-a-comprendre/1337264 “Tennis has enough parameters similar with cyclism, it is a endurance sport with accelerations, so I think the same products may have a doping effect. I do not see why there would be different rules. "They pass for heroes... but in fact they use substances to alleviate pain." "It's up to everyone to build their own ethics. I accept that sometimes my results are less good because I follow this ethic. I stay consistent with myself and I'm satisfied with that. The process of telling oneself that I will take a pill to be better makes me feel uncomfortable The injections that pose questions (Lefebvre, L'Equipe) Thibaut Pinot tweeted, w/ cynicism: “Today’s heroes…” above Nadal's answer to Q about the no of injections It didn't take much to trigger a controversy over the use of a protocol yet authorized by anti-doping legislation. Nadal: "I have a very good relation with my body" via L'Equipe (The very good relationship on display in the gentle, caressing touches he's doing to his body at the start of every point.) - Never been afraid that the foot wake up ...? "No, because the anesthesia in the nerves lasts more or less seven hours. "I played all the matches without pain! "I didn't want to talk about it at the time, but in SF with Djokovic in 2021 I couldn't be competitive anymore. evo ga, ponovo izgovori za poraze... znaci, da su mu prosle godine uspricali nesto protiv bolova u kom god delu tela bilo (ukljucujuci misice koji su se zamorili u dugom mecu), on bi pobedio. ostali tensieri moraju da se sami prirodno izbore s bolovima u telu kada se mec oduzi, Rafica kuka jer mu eto prosle godine nije palo na pamet da radi ovo sto ove godine radi. Pitam se samo zasto onda ne dozvoljavaju igracima da uzimaju MTO kad dobiju grceve u telu (pa ih boli u raznim delovima tela)? Cemu onda banovanje Sharapove za meldonijum: ona je samo htela da bude kompetitivna i ima bolje snabdevanje svojih celija kiseonikom!

objasnjenje nije dao Djokovic, vec neki lekar. A AO je Novakov omiljeni turnir (do ove godine), kao sto je RG Nadalov. u Nadalovoj igri na RG se nije videla razlika, u Novakovoj na AO jeste.

postoji bitna razlika: kad se Novak povredio videla se drasticna promena u igri: izgubio je 3. i 4. set protiv Fritza (a pre toga ga je rutinirao). S Raonicem (sledeci mec) i Zverevim (mec posle toga) se takodje videla drasticna promena u igri. Negde sam videla neki tekst gde pominju da je naprslina misica bila 0,4cm, a cini mi se da je svojevremeno pisano da je orijentacija naprsnuca bila bitna i da je u Novakovom slucaju bila u pitanju povoljnija orijetacija, te da je zbog toga bilo moguce dovesti ga u stanje da moze da izgura turnir (posle cega je napravio pauzu od gotovo 2 meseca, nije 7 dana kasnije isao na naredni turnir (kao neki). Takve stvari se nisu videle u igri Nadala tokom ovog RG, ma koliko on pricao na sva zvona o anesteziranom stopalu, nekroticnim delovima stopala, "mozda mi je ovo poslednji mec u karijeri" i ostalo. Inace, na jednom USO je Nadal igrao s naprsnucem u trbusnim misicima, svojevremeno je bilo i receno koliko je bilo to naprsnuce inicijalno, a koliko je poraslo do kraja turnira.

https://honestsport.com/2020/06/08/esp-tennis-doping/ Spanish tennis’ long doping history Testosterone use dates back to a Davis Cup tie in 1959 and there have been twelve doping cases in Spanish tennis since 1996, one involving a minor.

Fedu se jedno mora priznati: nikad se nije folirao da covek zeli da osvaja turnire i obara rekorde. Niti je izigravao naivnu, skromnu frajlu, "jednog od nas" na 6 miliona eura skupoj jahti. Ne secam se ni da je ikada isticao da je iz dobre porodice koja neguje prave vrednosti i koja ga je ispravno vaspitala (to se podrazumevalo, nije morao covek da to istice, onako "skromno").

Novak je odmah posle poraza od Nadala naredni dan odleteo za Beograd (nije ostao u Parizu), a Ivanisevic je ostao na RG da igra turnir legendi. Naravno da nisu razgovarali o mecu odmah posle meca (jer je bila prosla ponoc, ko zna u koje doba je Novak zavrsio sve potrebne rutine posle meca i otisao na spavanje). Termin meca su odredile TV koje su platile pare za prava, pisala je vec ciao o tome sta je sve bilo u igri. Inace, intervju s Ivanisevicem je od pre nekoliko dana, dat nekih 2 dana posle meca. Sto se tice sezone na travi, nesto mi je bez veze da Novak ne igra ni jedan turnir pre Wimbldona u godini kada nije imao dovoljno meceva i kad nema pojma kako ce mu izgledati sezona posle Wimbldona i gde ce moci da igra. To mi je veci problem nego sta je Goran rekao Ozmu u intervjuu - da li je analizirao mec s Novakom.