Drago Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Bolje bi bilo da krivično goni one čelnike iz FIA i F1 koji su znali za nameštanje, a nisu reagovali. Mora da postoji zakon o zataškavanju nameštanja rezultata na sportskim događajima. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Mozli je otisao bogu na istinu ali Berni je jos uvek tu. A on je i zakuvao ovo nedavno u medijima pricajuci kako su sve znali jos te iste godine ali su odlucili da cute. Mislim, ako je to zaista tako sto onda nije otcutao do kraja nego sada muti vodu? Prvi problem za Masu i njegov tim advokata je dokazati da li je to sto on sada prica uopste istina ili lupetanje dementnog starca. Mozda ce FOM biti voljan da plati neke pare samo da se problem skloni (sto ce vecinom otici advokatima, Masi slaba vajda) ali to da ce on retroaktivno biti proglasen prvakom sveta - tesko. Jer onda cemo odmah krenuti u preispitivanja i ostalih kontroverznih titula pocev od 2021. pa preko onih resenih sudarima (Sumaher-Hil, Sumaher-Vilnev, Sena-Prost dvaput...) i ko zna gde cemo na kraju zavrsiti... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staneC Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 To sa Massom je jedinstven slučaj, jer je dokazano, da je Renault nameštao utrku i to je imalo direktqn utjecaj na titulu. Ostale nisu u tom rangu. Nadalje. Ecclestone ne gotivu Hamiltona. I prije toga je rekao, da bi Hamilton mirao odustati od jurnjave 8 titule zbog Schumachera i namignuo na tu nezaslużenu titulu sa Massom. Možda je Eccelstone dovoljno ljut i star, pa pomogne Massi 🤷♂️u pokušaju da Šumi ostane jedini sa 7 titula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonke Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Ako se poništi ta trka Hamilton nema bodove za titulu. Massa ne gubi nikakve bodove. Sent from my SM-A525F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Nikada do sada se nije ponistavala trka zbog varanja jednog tima. Vidi pod sezona 1984. kad je Tirel vozio cele godine ispod minimalne tezine, kad su otkriveni obrisani su im rezultati i diskvalifikovani su iz rezultata kompletne sezone kao da se nisu ni takmicili ali nije nijedna trka ponistena. Ponistavanje trke - narocito sa zadrskom od 15 godina - bio bi ozbiljan presedan i pozvao bi na revidiranje rezultata svih sampionata vozenih od 1950. do sada. A ako bi se postupilo po uobicajenom postupku pa se tim koji je varao diskvalifikuje, to Masi ne menja nista samo bi mu jos vise povecalo zaostatak za Hamiltonom na kraju sezone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberto.ascari Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 8:45 PM, Radoye said: - Felipe Masa tuzi FOM i FIA sudu, trazi finansijsku odstetu i da mu se prizna status svetskog sampiona za sezonu 2008. zbog afere sa namestanjem trke u Singapuru. https://racer.com/2023/08/18/massas-lawyers-seeking-compensation-over-2008-f1-title/ Koliko je Masino drzanje na podijumu u Sao Paolu te godine bilo za svako divljenje s obzirom kako se sve izdogadjao, ovo sada vec polako klizi u ekstremnu jadnost. OK, ako zanemarimo da je proslo 15 godina od tada, Masin zahtev da se kompletni rezultati trke u Singapuru poniste nema nikakvog smisla i bio bi presedan. Ono sto bi moglo da se uradi i sto je u ovakvim situacijama radjeno (doduse ne retroaktivno sa 15 godina zadrske) je da se tim koji je uhvacen u varanju diskvalifikuje sa trke - a mozda i iz sampionata konstruktora za tu sezonu uz gubitak finansija koji sledi iz toga. No to ne bi Masi pomoglo da postane sampion jer bi ga samo pomerilo sa 13. na 12. mesto, dok bi Hamilton umesto 6 bodova dobio 8 i tako na kraju sezone uzeo titulu sa 3 boda prednosti umesto sa samo jednim. Na kraju krajeva, da Ferari nije zabrljao u boksu i pustio Masu sa jos uvek prikopcanim crevom za gorivo on bi trku zavrsio ispred Hamiltona bez obzira na marifetluke Renoa i Alonsa. Nikad nisam oplakao tu sezonu, ali iskreno, Massa je izgubio titulu u Australiji, na Silverstonu, u Madjarskoj, na Monzi i u Singapuru. U Brazil je trebalo da dodje komotno kao prvak sveta i da vozi revijalnu trku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Jedna od ludjih glasina u zadnje vreme: https://www.planetf1.com/news/f1-rumours-lance-stroll-tennis-fernando-alonso/ Quote Aston Martin driver Lance Stroll is rumoured to be considering leaving F1 to become a professional tennis star, it has been claimed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maharaja Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Radoye said: Jedna od ludjih glasina u zadnje vreme: https://www.planetf1.com/news/f1-rumours-lance-stroll-tennis-fernando-alonso/ Mlado, bogato, besno... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Maharaja said: Mlado, bogato, besno... Skroman momak, nije mu uspelo da postane Sumaher pa ce sad da postane Djokovic. Sto bi se reklo, "i tata bi sine"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklord Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Ne tuži se Masa da bi postao šampion, nego se tuži zato što je on "pravi" šampion te godine (bravo Berni 😄 ) a to znači da je izgubio mnogo novca tokom godina kasnije. To bukvalno i piše u tome što je podneo, on ne traži da postane šampion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Nicklord said: Ne tuži se Masa da bi postao šampion, nego se tuži zato što je on "pravi" šampion te godine (bravo Berni 😄 ) a to znači da je izgubio mnogo novca tokom godina kasnije. To bukvalno i piše u tome što je podneo, on ne traži da postane šampion Bukvalno kaze: "Simply put, Mr. Massa is the rightful 2008 drivers’ champion, and F1 and FIA deliberately ignored the misconduct that cheated him out of that title." U prevodu - "Jednostavno receno, g. Masa je legitimni sampion za 2008. i F1 i FIA su namerno ignorisale nezakonite radnje kojima mu je ova titula na prevaru oduzeta." Dakle, trazi da mu se prizna da je legitimni sampion za sezonu 2008. I pride, finansijsku kompenzaciju za sve ono sto je u medjuvremenu propustio a sto bi mu zvanje svetskog sampiona omogucilo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 https://www.racefans.net/2023/08/23/ferrari-unwilling-to-comment-on-massas-legal-claim-over-2008-title-defeat/ Quote Ferrari team principal Frederic Vasseur said it would be “strange” if the outcome of the 2008 Formula 1 season was revisited in response to a legal bid brought by the team’s former driver Felipe Massa. Lista varanja koja su uticala na ishod sampionata u istoriji F1: https://f1frogblog.wordpress.com/2023/08/21/the-ecclestone-massa-alternate-history-of-f1/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 Hulk i KMag potvrdjeni u Hasu i za narednu sezonu: https://www.racefans.net/2023/08/24/haas-keep-hulkenberg-and-magnussen-for-2024-f1-season/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzoni_m Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) On 8/23/2023 at 11:05 PM, Radoye said: https://www.racefans.net/2023/08/23/ferrari-unwilling-to-comment-on-massas-legal-claim-over-2008-title-defeat/ Lista varanja koja su uticala na ishod sampionata u istoriji F1: https://f1frogblog.wordpress.com/2023/08/21/the-ecclestone-massa-alternate-history-of-f1/ Sve sporne situacije navedene ovde su bile pod direktnom jurisdikcijom FIA (FISA ili pod cijem god sankcijama je bila trka). Ovo sa Masom izlazi iz domena FIA. Sama trka, rezultat iste je predment FIA pravila i oni mogu da odlice sta hoce. Problem je sto su znali i nisu reagovali a to je vec domen prevare i to itekako dolazi pod jurisdikciju civilnih sudova. E to je ono sto je razlika. Ovde FIA nece odlucivati i primenjivati svoja pravila. Vec sud. Isto kao sto je Briatore uspeo da se izbori na civilnom sudu da moze i dalje da radi u F1 posle dozivotne zabrane koju je FIA izrekla, kasnije se FIA zalila pa su zamalo izgubili opet pa su opet pristali da se poravnaju vansudski. Iako je bilo apsolutno opravdano matorom i*****u zabraniti da pridje trkackoj stazi blize od 1km zauvek. Tako da onog trenutka kada ovo izadje (ako) sa teritorije FIA i udje u civline sudove, mislim da ce biti veoma cupavo. Iskreno, ta trka 2008-me i Belgija 2021 treba se obrisu kao da NIKADA nisu vozene i te rezultate pobrisati. Sramota. Edited August 25, 2023 by Dzoni_m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 53 minutes ago, Dzoni_m said: Problem je sto su znali i nisu reagovali a to je vec domen prevare i to itekako dolazi pod jurisdikciju civilnih sudova. Problem je ovo dokazati. Mozli je mrtav a Berni koji je sve i zakuvao proletos ce da se vadi na izlapetis, vec je poceo da kad ga pitaju za ovo prica kako se ne seca da je bilo sta izjavljivao. A cak i da se dokaze, sud ne moze da proglasi Masu za sampiona F1 2008. nista vise nego sto moze da ga proglasi za pobednika Vimbldona ili Evrovizije. To je i dalje van nadleznosti civilnog suda prevara ili ne. Ali moze da mu dodeli finansijsku odstetu - koju ce svakako da uplati na racun advokata koji ga i podbadaju na ovo. Problem je sto njemu prvenstveno nije do para nego da mu se prizna da je legitimni sampion. Tako da sve u svemu uzalud trud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzoni_m Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) I to stoji. Manje za Bernija, kapiram da dok je ziv ako ga nategnu ima da propeva, a siguran sam da imaju oni kojeg iz FIA koji to zna. Ne verujem da je to tolika "tajna". A ovo da neki sud moze da ga proglasi sampionom i da FIA kaze "dobro" i nastavi po svom, jeste moguce. Kapiram da bi posle opet popili tuzbu i tako u nedogled dok jednog dana ne bude skupo. Generalno se slazem da je kasno i posle 15-godna ispravljati krivu drinu je.....meh, ali opet Singapur 2008 i Belgija 2021 su bruka. Zaista bruka. Cak ni AbuDabi 2021 nije u tom smislu problematican, moze da se kraze greska jednog coveka i sta? Desavalo se 100 puta da delegati/sudije naprave propust. Iako je to bilo mnogo vise od toga, ali ajde. Ove dve trke su bile cist umisljaj. Bukvalno gazenje svega i zajebavanje publike. To nije uradio samo Briatore, Piq, Simodns, vec su onda svi (FIA i FOM) znali i prikrili, dok Nelsinjo Jr nije propevao. Isto Belgija 2021, znali su da ne moze da se odrzi i odvezu dva kruga iza SC i dodele bodove. Pa jebote. U ovom rangu jos moze da se ubroji i US GP 2004 mada je tu vise disorganizacija i glupost i merenje pise nego neka namera jer nista niko nije ni dobio niti izgubio tom trkom, osim US publike koju eto sad lepo jasu opet sa 800USD kartom da gledaju trku na video bimu jer stazu ne vide, ali je Vegas baby. Imam jako podeljena osecanja po ovom pitanju, voleo bih da tu trku nekako izbrisu, ali sa druge strane, realno, Masa nije ni zasluzio tu titulu, koliko su brljotina naravili i on i tim. Mozda je najbolje da dobije neku kintu kao odstetu i da se na tome zavrsi. Edited August 25, 2023 by Dzoni_m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Opet, i da FIA / FOM nisu prikrili Renoove nepodopstine u Singapuru najvise sto su mogli da urade je da diskvalifikuju Reno i Alonsa. Trka se ne bi ponistavala svakako. E sad, da li bi tu pala i nekakva celosezonska suspenzija za Reno (kao Tirel onomad 1984. kad su uhvaceni da varaju) i da li bi to uticalo na nastavak sezone to necemo nikada saznati. A to ne moze znati ni Masa, tako da njegove tvrdnje da je legitimni sampion za 2008. nikako ne stoje. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 https://www.racefans.net/2023/08/26/massa-insists-he-deserves-the-2008-title-and-most-people-agree-with-me/ Quote Massa insists he deserves the 2008 title and “most people agree with me” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Hamilton produzio s Mercedesom na dve godine: https://racer.com/2023/08/31/hamilton-signs-two-year-contract-extension-with-mercedes/ Quote Lewis Hamilton has finally signed a new contract extension that will keep him at Mercedes alongside George Russell until the end of 2025. Spekulacije su da ce mu ovo biti poslednji ugovor posle cega Mercedes cilja da na njegovo mesto dovede Norisa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Toto Volf u epizodi "kiselo je grozdje": https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/04/perfect-season-would-be-more-impressive-than-irrelevant-10-wins-in-a-row-wolff/ Quote Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff has described Max Verstappen’s record-breaking achievement of winning 10 consecutive grands prix as “irrelevant”. ... “For me these kind of records are completely irrelevant,” said Wolff when asked about Verstappen’s achievement yesterday. “They were irrelevant in our good days in Mercedes. I don’t know how many races we won in a row. I didn’t even know that there was a count on how many races in a row you win. “Therefore, asking me for commenting on some achievement is difficult because it never played a role in my own life. It’s yesterday. But the result itself shows that a great driver in a great car are competing on an extremely high level.” Bold - manje od 10 u svakom slucaju... A Marko ga podjebava:https://www.grandprix.com/news/marko-hits-back-at-wolffs-wikipedia-jibe.html Quote Dr Helmut Marko says he will start taking Toto Wolff seriously again once Mercedes returns to being a "serious rival". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 https://racer.com/2023/09/16/marko-warned-by-fia-over-perez-comments/ Quote The FIA has warned Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko over comments he made regarding the team’s Mexican driver Sergio Perez. Speaking about Perez’s “fluctuations in form” at Monza, Marko had added: “he is South American and he is just not as completely focused in his head as Max (Verstappen) is or as Sebastian (Vettel)”. It’s not the first time Marko has referred to the Mexican as South American, but he also further compounded the issue with later similar comments, leading to a statement of apology towards Perez that the driver said he had accepted earlier this week. Now, the FIA has confirmed that an official written warning was sent to Marko, reminding him of his responsibilities as a public figure in motorsport, citing the governing body’s Code of Ethics. Red Bull team principal Christian Horner had previously told Sky Sports why the team itself had been reluctant to make a statement on Marko’s comments. “I know he regrets what he said,” Horner said. “He has apologized. Even at 80 years of age, it is not too late to learn. “Helmut is not an employee of Red Bull Racing. That’s why didn’t we put out a statement. He is part of the wider Red Bull Group and they put that apology out through their Servus TV channel.” Alongside Horner, Marko is listed as a director of Red Bull Racing on the United Kingdom’s Companies House website. Hm ako cinjenica da je neko "Juznoamerikanac" (iako je Meksiko geografski u Severnoj Americi) automatski znaci da nije kadar da se u potpunosti fokusira na voznju voleo bih da Dr. Marko objasni Aertona Senu (Brazil definitivno jeste u Juznoj Americi). Juznoamerikanci su uzeli 13 titula svetskih prvaka, pitam se sta bi bilo da su se fokusirali... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drago Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Mimo činjenice da je veliki broj Južnoamerikanaca pokorio ovaj sport sramna je činjenica da bilo ko u međunarodnom sportu kakav je F1 procenjuje ljude prema geografskom, rasnom, verskom ili nacionalnom poreklu, a pogotovo Marko koji je alfa i omega Red Bula. Za ovakve javne bljuvotine se u odgovornim kompanijama dobija noga... Doduše Red Bul se brže bolje ogradio da čovek nije zaposlen kod njih u šta sumnjam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radoye Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, Drago said: Doduše Red Bul se brže bolje ogradio da čovek nije zaposlen kod njih u šta sumnjam Nije zaposlen samo je direktor Quote Alongside Horner, Marko is listed as a director of Red Bull Racing on the United Kingdom’s Companies House website. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonke Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 https://racer.com/2023/09/16/marko-warned-by-fia-over-perez-comments/ The FIA has warned Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko over comments he made regarding the team’s Mexican driver Sergio Perez. Speaking about Perez’s “fluctuations in form” at Monza, Marko had added: “he is South American and he is just not as completely focused in his head as Max (Verstappen) is or as Sebastian (Vettel)”. It’s not the first time Marko has referred to the Mexican as South American, but he also further compounded the issue with later similar comments, leading to a statement of apology towards Perez that the driver said he had accepted earlier this week. Now, the FIA has confirmed that an official written warning was sent to Marko, reminding him of his responsibilities as a public figure in motorsport, citing the governing body’s Code of Ethics. Red Bull team principal Christian Horner had previously told Sky Sports why the team itself had been reluctant to make a statement on Marko’s comments. “I know he regrets what he said,” Horner said. “He has apologized. Even at 80 years of age, it is not too late to learn. “Helmut is not an employee of Red Bull Racing. That’s why didn’t we put out a statement. He is part of the wider Red Bull Group and they put that apology out through their Servus TV channel.” Alongside Horner, Marko is listed as a director of Red Bull Racing on the United Kingdom’s Companies House website. Hm ako cinjenica da je neko "Juznoamerikanac" (iako je Meksiko geografski u Severnoj Americi) automatski znaci da nije kadar da se u potpunosti fokusira na voznju voleo bih da Dr. Marko objasni Aertona Senu (Brazil definitivno jeste u Juznoj Americi). Juznoamerikanci su uzeli 13 titula svetskih prvaka, pitam se sta bi bilo da su se fokusirali... Jednom su i ukrali pa će sad da je povrati preko sudova... Sent from my SM-A525F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Pablo Montoya Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Inače su južnoamerikanci poznati po nerasističkim komentarima poput Nelsona Pikea i "ono malo crnče" za Hamiltona. Mnogo se daje na značaju svemu tome, iskreno. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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