Angelia Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 2 hours ago, DameTime said: Od ostalih vesti, za nekoliko "novinara" AJ se izgleda ispostavilo da su povezani sa Hamasom Time što su dopustili da oni "izveštavaju" za njih su samo nacrtali metu pravim novinarima iz Palestine. "Novinari" su otkriveni preko Telegram grupa i kanala na drugim socijalnim mrežama, gde su kačili razno razne gadosti 7.10.2023. Neki od njih takođe imaju fotografije sa pokojnim pacovom Sinwarom. Time sto su bili na platnim listama Hamasa nadjenim u Gazi, i listama operativaca. Nisi valjda tamo ocekivala "nezavisno novinarstvo"? Jer je Hamas poznat da podrzava slobodu govora 😀 Predpostavljam da tamo mozes biti objektivni novinar samo ako si mrtav. Ali ovi su direktno bili Hamasovci. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fancy Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 Pored fripalestajnera, na zapadu su u modi i bajkpalestajneri (tj. dok ga imaju): Spoiler 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DameTime Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 Nešto o čemu se ne govori dovoljno jeste PTSD izraelskih vojnika. Postoje indicije da je povećan broj samoubistava vojnika u IDF-u, iako IDF odbija da pruži zvanične podatke. Oni tvrde da je sve u statističkim okvirima od pre početka ove faze sukoba na BI. Haaretz izveštava da je 10 vojnika koji su služili u Gazi izvršilo suicid u periodu od 7.10.2023. do 11.5.2024. Quote A 40-year-old father of four, Eliran Mizrahi deployed to Gaza after the deadly Hamas-led attack on Israel on October 7, 2023. The Israeli military reservist returned a different person, traumatized by what he had witnessed in the war against Hamas in the strip, his family told CNN. Six months after he was first sent to fight, he was struggling with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) back at home. Before he was due to redeploy, he took his own life. “He got out of Gaza, but Gaza did not get out of him. And he died after it, because of the post-trauma,” his mother, Jenny Mizrahi, said. Quote “A lot of us are very scared of getting drafted again to a war in Lebanon,” an IDF medic who served four months in Gaza told CNN, speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter. “A lot of us don’t trust the government right now.” Israeli authorities – with rare exceptions – have closed off Gaza to foreign journalists unless under IDF escort, making it difficult to capture the full extent of Palestinian suffering or the experiences of soldiers there. Israeli soldiers who fought in the enclave told CNN they witnessed horrors the outside world can never truly comprehend. Their accounts offer a rare glimpse into the brutality of what critics have called Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s “forever war,” and the intangible toll it takes on the soldiers who participate. Quote Mizrahi deployed to Gaza on October 8 last year and was tasked with driving a D-9 bulldozer, a 62-ton armored vehicle that can withstand bullets and explosives. He was a civilian for most of his life, working as a manager at an Israeli construction company. After witnessing the massacres committed by Hamas, he felt the need to fight, Jenny told CNN. Quote When Mizrahi was on leave, he suffered from bouts of anger, sweating, insomnia and social withdrawal, his family said. He told his family that only those who were in Gaza with him could understand what he was going through. “He always said, no one will understand what I saw,” his sister, Shir, told CNN. Jenny wondered if her son killed someone and couldn’t handle it. Quote The former soldier has spoken publicly about the psychological trauma endured by Israeli troops in Gaza. In a testimony to the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, in June, Zaken said that on many occasions, soldiers had to “run over terrorists, dead and alive, in the hundreds.” “Everything squirts out,” he added. Zaken says he can no longer eat meat, as it reminds him of the gruesome scenes he witnessed from his bulldozer in Gaza, and struggles to sleep at night, the sound of explosions ringing in his head. “When you see a lot of meat outside, and blood… both ours and theirs (Hamas), then it really affects you when you eat,” he told CNN, referring to bodies as “meat.” Quote “The civilians we saw, we stopped and brought them water to drink, and we let them eat from our food,” he recalled, adding that even in such situations, Hamas fighters would shoot at them. Quote Clearing dead people with debris Ahron Bregman, a political scientist at King’s College London who served in the Israeli army for six years, including during the 1982 Lebanon War, said the Gaza war is unlike any other fought by Israel. “It’s very long,” he said, and it is urban, which means soldiers fight among many people, “the vast majority of them are civilians.” Bulldozer operators are among those who are most directly exposed to the war’s brutality, Bregman said. “What they see is dead people, and they clear them (along) with the debris,” he told CNN. “They go over them.” Quote Mizrahi’s family started speaking out about his death after the IDF did not grant him a military burial, saying he had not been “in active reserve duty.” They later reversed their decision. Izvor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klotzen Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 Meni se čini da je ovaj "izlet" u Liban ipak prerastao u pravljenje tampon zone. Samo će to da rade polako da minimizuju svoje žrtve. Uklapaju se u taj scenario i ovi pozivi UN i Libanskoj vojsci da napuste jug zemlje. Ako se pogleda mapa : https://lebanon.liveuamap.com/ To sad više liči na tampon zonu nego na mestimične prodore kako je mapa izgledala prve nedelje. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beonegro Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 1 hour ago, Klotzen said: Meni se čini da je ovaj "izlet" u Liban ipak prerastao u pravljenje tampon zone. Samo će to da rade polako da minimizuju svoje žrtve. Uklapaju se u taj scenario i ovi pozivi UN i Libanskoj vojsci da napuste jug zemlje. Ako se pogleda mapa : https://lebanon.liveuamap.com/ To sad više liči na tampon zonu nego na mestimične prodore kako je mapa izgledala prve nedelje. Tampon zona je logična mjera sa vojnog stanovišta, međutim može lako da postane i više od toga, budući da Bezalel Smotrič otvoreno govori da je njegov cilj teritorijalna ekspanzija sa etničkim čišćenjem i "veliki Izrael" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nek grmi jako Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 Izraelci udarili Iran. Gledam CNN, još ne znaju detalje, ali navodno su pogodili ciljeve i u Teheranu. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 1 hour ago, Nek grmi jako said: Izraelci udarili Iran. Gledam CNN, još ne znaju detalje, ali navodno su pogodili ciljeve i u Teheranu. Pogledala sam izraelske izvore, I deluje ograniceno, videcemo tek sutra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJORDJE Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 16 hours ago, Beonegro said: Tampon zona je logična mjera sa vojnog stanovišta, međutim može lako da postane i više od toga, budući da Bezalel Smotrič otvoreno govori da je njegov cilj teritorijalna ekspanzija sa etničkim čišćenjem i "veliki Izrael" Nisam bas siguran koliko je i sa vojnog stanovista logicna. Pre 30 godina, kada su iz Libana minobacacima i artiljerijom gadjali severni Izrael, to je imalo smisla. Danas, kada svaki pajser napravi raketu koja moze da pogodi bilo koju metu u Izraelu, ta sigurnosna zona ima mnogo manje smisla, da ne spominjem dronove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djura.net Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 4 hours ago, DJORDJE said: ta sigurnosna zona ima mnogo manje smisla, da ne spominjem dronove. A valjda ta zona moze da posluzi za presretanje dronova. Bolje tu da padaju (i dronovi i rakete) nego po Izraelu, valjda je to ideja izraelske armije. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selina Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 5 hours ago, DJORDJE said: Nisam bas siguran koliko je i sa vojnog stanovista logicna. Pre 30 godina, kada su iz Libana minobacacima i artiljerijom gadjali severni Izrael, to je imalo smisla. Danas, kada svaki pajser napravi raketu koja moze da pogodi bilo koju metu u Izraelu, ta sigurnosna zona ima mnogo manje smisla, da ne spominjem dronove. Ja pre mislim da je smisao i cilj da Hezbolah nestane, samo tako su moguce sigurne granice Izraelu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mare80 Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 1 hour ago, djura.net said: A valjda ta zona moze da posluzi za presretanje dronova. Bolje tu da padaju (i dronovi i rakete) nego po Izraelu, valjda je to ideja izraelske armije. Ta zona je praktično osim par hrišćanskih sela na samoj granici isključivo naseljena šiitima ... Tako da bi ukoliko se duže zadrže dobili još jednu "Gazu", a to košta i u ljudskim životima a i finansijski... Plus taj otpor bi imao za razliku od Gaze fizičku vezu sa saveznicima ... Iranci bi se upiškili u gaće od sreće ako bi Izrael odlučio da dugoročno ostane na jugu Libana ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama_mia Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 Israeli Defense Forces said the strikes were where missiles have been built to fire missiles at Israel. In addition, Israel said it hit air defense sites early Saturday, allowing its aircraft to attack the other targets. Simultaneously, we targeted Iran's surface-to-air missile systems and air capabilities - capabilities meant to limit Israel's freedom of aerial operations in Iran. Israel now has broader aerial freedom of action, including within Iran," , ...Rusija je ranije isporucila odbrambene sisteme Iranu....ne znam da li su bili efikasni i koliko.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomas.hokenberi Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 1 hour ago, Mama_mia said: .Rusija je ranije isporucila odbrambene sisteme Iranu....ne znam da li su bili efikasni i koliko Ako su Izraelci koristili F-35 za uništavanje Iranske PVO ruski sistemi su bili su izuzetno neefikasni. S400 i S300 nisu u stanju da gađaju F-35 na rastojanjima sa kojih F-35 može da koristi "stand-off" municiju. Nišanskim radarima S400 i S300 sistema je F-35 nevidljiv dok nije prekasno. Osmatrački radari su u stanju da ga detektuju ranije ali oni nisu upotrebljivi za navođenje projektila na cilj, mogli su samo da daju vremena posadama iranske PVO da strugnu što dalje od svojih pvo sistema. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 2 hours ago, Mama_mia said: Israeli Defense Forces said the strikes were where missiles have been built to fire missiles at Israel. In addition, Israel said it hit air defense sites early Saturday, allowing its aircraft to attack the other targets. Simultaneously, we targeted Iran's surface-to-air missile systems and air capabilities - capabilities meant to limit Israel's freedom of aerial operations in Iran. Israel now has broader aerial freedom of action, including within Iran," , ...Rusija je ranije isporucila odbrambene sisteme Iranu....ne znam da li su bili efikasni i koliko.... Prvi talas je unistio PVO. Drugi skladista za rakete, i proizvodnju, treci je izgleda udario neke pogone za koje iranci ne zele da znamo cemu sluze. Manje vise su im pokazali koliko su neodbranjivi. Sad su otvorili put da mogu i da gadjaju nuklearna postrojenja. Ali 3 sata su drzali iransko nebo, I ostavili im mogucnost da kazu da nije bilo strasno. Veoma impresivno za mete koje su 1600 km daleko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klotzen Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 Navodno su gađali 4 baterije S-300, fabriku u kojoj se proizvodi raketno gorivo. Četiri poginula Iranska oficira su iz PVO jedinice koja je operisala sa S-300 PMU. Gađana je Fabrika raketnih motora u PArchin-u. Ovo su informacije koje prenose pouzdaniji twiter kanali a informacija ima ohohoho samo ja ne pratim te kanale pa neću da prenosim šta se sve još nabraja. Verovatno za par dana slede slike sa satelita pa možda saznamo nešto više. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanMachine Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 Izgleda da je i IDF koristio pre svega balisticke rakete, konkretno rakete koje lansiraju avioni (radi se o manjim kolicinama ekploziva). Zato i efekta udara i nije neki, iako Iran ima dosta slab pvo (ogromna zemlja a pvo dosta iza izraelskog). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJORDJE Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 16 hours ago, Selina said: Ja pre mislim da je smisao i cilj da Hezbolah nestane, samo tako su moguce sigurne granice Izraelu. To je tek neostvarivo, dokle god postoje finansijeri kao sto je Iran. Cak i da vojno unistis Hezbolah, za par godina pojavice se neka druga organizacija sa razlicitim imenom, ali istim ciljem. 17 hours ago, djura.net said: A valjda ta zona moze da posluzi za presretanje dronova. Bolje tu da padaju (i dronovi i rakete) nego po Izraelu, valjda je to ideja izraelske armije. Moguce, mada za presretanje dronova iz Jemena imaju mnogo vecu distancu i opet neki pronadu put do teritorije Izraela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 2 minutes ago, DJORDJE said: To je tek neostvarivo, dokle god postoje finansijeri kao sto je Iran. Cak i da vojno unistis Hezbolah, za par godina pojavice se neka druga organizacija sa razlicitim imenom, ali istim ciljem. Ili hoces da kazes "resistance is futile" ili da Iran mora da se preokrene? 2 minutes ago, DJORDJE said: Moguce, mada za presretanje dronova iz Jemena imaju mnogo vecu distancu i opet neki pronadu put do teritorije Izraela. Jemen moze da se ucutka u kratkom vremenu kad bi postojala saradnja. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJORDJE Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, Angelia said: Ili hoces da kazes "resistance is futile" ili da Iran mora da se preokrene? Jemen moze da se ucutka u kratkom vremenu kad bi postojala saradnja. Ne kazem ni jedno ni drugo. Nema jednostavnog resenja, Izrael ce nastaviti da zivi u stanju stalne opasnosti i zavisiti od toga kada se nekoj budali na severu navrne da ispali raketu ili posalje dron. Sto se Jemena tice , slazem se, ali i to spada u pricu kada bi baba imala. Nije samo Iran finansijer rata u Jemenu, vec i bacuska, koji fiinansira sve od cega Zapad ima neku stetu. Edited October 27 by DJORDJE corav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selina Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 8 hours ago, DJORDJE said: To je tek neostvarivo, dokle god postoje finansijeri kao sto je Iran. Cak i da vojno unistis Hezbolah, za par godina pojavice se neka druga organizacija sa razlicitim imenom, ali istim ciljem. Na Iran sam ciljala i misljenja sam ( zelim tako da verujem jer sam ipak neki optimist) da ce Iran oladiti sa svojom idejom da Izrael m ora da nestane, a akteri koji ce na to uticatio bice bas ove BRIX clanice pri cemu tu narocito mislim na muslimanske zemlje jer ove druge Izrael bas mnogo i ne tangira. Ljudi, ovi bogati, zele tamo mir, prosperitet, tako da ce Iran uskoro potstai jako usamljen u svojim snovima o unistenju Izraela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beonegro Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 8 hours ago, DJORDJE said: To je tek neostvarivo, dokle god postoje finansijeri kao sto je Iran. Cak i da vojno unistis Hezbolah, za par godina pojavice se neka druga organizacija sa razlicitim imenom, ali istim ciljem. Iran više nema pare za to, njihova ekonomska situacija je katastrofalna, narod je ekstremno nezadovoljan i mulama je jasno da bilo kakvo dalje zahvatanje u džep prosječnog Iranca može da znači nemire u državi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanMachine Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 (edited) 9 hours ago, Angelia said: Ili hoces da kazes "resistance is futile" ili da Iran mora da se preokrene? Jemen moze da se ucutka u kratkom vremenu kad bi postojala saradnja. Jemen su Saudi mislili da mogu da rese lako pa sta bi? Pre njih Egipcani. U Egiptu su tu intervenciju nazvali nas Vijetnam. Jednostavno kad ratujes protiv Huta ti i nemas neki jasan cilj, to ti ko rat protiv Talibana, dakle morala bi da imas nov Afganistan pri cemu Huti mnogo lakse do oruzija mogu da dodju pa bi neki nov Afganistan bio mnogo skuplji. Edited October 27 by MeanMachine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 11 hours ago, DJORDJE said: Ne kazem ni jedno ni drugo. Nema jednostavnog resenja, Izrael ce nastaviti da zivi u stanju stalne opasnosti i zavisiti od toga kada se nekoj budali na severu navrne da ispali raketu ili posalje dron. Sto se Jemena tice , slazem se, ali i to spada u pricu kada bi baba imala. Nije samo Iran finansijer rata u Jemenu, vec i bacuska, koji fiinansira sve od cega Zapad ima neku stetu. Mislim da su na severu drasticno smanjili mogucnosti, ali tu se slazem da je tesko resivo, Sirija I Liban su odavno izvor problema, jer tamo ustvari nema realno drzave. Iran je sada izuzetno ranjiv, I iznutra. Ljudi tamo mrze mule. I naravno, slazemo se ko je glavni problem 4 hours ago, MeanMachine said: Jemen su Saudi mislili da mogu da rese lako pa sta bi? Pre njih Egipcani. U Egiptu su tu intervenciju nazvali nas Vijetnam. Jednostavno kad ratujes protiv Huta ti i nemas neki jasan cilj, to ti ko rat protiv Talibana, dakle morala bi da imas nov Afganistan pri cemu Huti mnogo lakse do oruzija mogu da dodju pa bi neki nov Afganistan bio mnogo skuplji. Kao sto je ISIS mogla da se ucutka, kad su odlucili da zajednicki deluju, tako bi I Huti mogli. Nije to posao za jednu zemlju. I nisam mislila na akciju tipa Afganistana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama_mia Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 October 27 (ANI): ‘Honor to fly through the dark for Israel..,' said one of the pilots of ‘Operation Iran’ against Iran. Cak i u ratu mozes da budes upecatljiv zbog nacina na koji nesto izjavis. Ovako bi mozda mnogi ucesnici rata rekli - bila mi je cast da uradim to i to....ali honor to fly thruogh the dark.... to me je zaustavilo u citanju daljeg teksta..jer mogao je, taj pilot, samo da kaze - Bila mi je cast da izvrsim zadatak.... Ako bih dobila priliku, pre bih upoznala ovog koji se pesnicki izrazio nego nekog `obicnog`....s tim sto je taj pilot mogao da bude i pilotkinja....nije nemoguce da bi bas zena tako rekla...no da ne nagadjam mozda pise u tom tekstu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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