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16 hours ago, suptil said:

Ovde u analizi kazu drugacije.  Jeste nasa analitika.  Ne znam da li je ovaj analiticar obojen i navijac.

Većina naših vojnih analitičara i "analitičara" doživljava manje ili veće orgazme na pomen "ruske tehnike". Ovaj pokušava da stvori privid nepristrasnosti tako što priznaje da Kinžal nije neoborivi wunderwaffe ali onda iznosi dosta netačnih podataka (npr. da Kinžal može da manevriše pri hipersoničnim brzinama). Posebno je zanimljiva "analiza" hipotetičkog scenarija gde bi 50-60 TU-22M napali američku flotu sa "procenom" da je potrebno lansirati po 30 !!! Patriot projektila da bi se garantovalo obaranje 1 Kinžala i da je posledično nemoguće odbraniti američke nosače aviona od Kinžala kada TU-22M lansiraju "stotine" Kinžala. Sve i da prihvatimo to da je potrebno lansiranje 30 PAC3 po kinzalu precutao je par stvari:

Stvarni domet Kinžala je < 400km. Rusi sabiraju domet TU-22M i Kinžala kada izveštavaju o dometu.

EAW avioni flote bi detektovali 60 TU-22M na mnogo većim rastojanjima od 400 km. Koliko bu TU-22M preživelo da dođe do rastojanja da lansiraju Kinžale?

Koliko Kinžala treba da pogodi nosač aviona da bi ga ozbiljno oštetilo/potopilo?

 

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1 hour ago, DameTime said:

Mislim da @suptil nije neki rusofil koji orgazmira na hepi analitičare.

Ali "analitičar" čiji je video postovao jeste u rangu, ako ne "TV Happy" analitičara, onda barem pokojnog Lažanskog (teške budaletine koja je iz nekog razloga smatrana "vojno-političkim ekspertom").

1 hour ago, Smrtokapa said:

 

Isto tako nisi video ni jedan nosač koji je upotrebljen protiv tih koji tvrde da su ih učinili neupotrebljivim - jer nisu bili u direktnom sukobu.

Nije pošto bi to pre ili kasnije eskaliralo u globalni termonuklearni rat, odnosno to nije više pitanje Kinžala i nosača.

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1 minute ago, tomas.hokenberi said:

Ali "analitičar" čiji je video postovao jeste u rangu, ako ne "TV Happy" analitičara, onda barem pokojnog Lažanskog (teške budaletine koja je iz nekog razloga smatrana "vojno-političkim ekspertom").

 

Nisam ciljala na tvoj komentar, ti si mu dao dodatno pojašnjenje za nešto o čemu ja iskreno nemam saznanja, nego na ovu ironiju @40Wins :classic_smile:

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1 hour ago, Smrtokapa said:

 

Isto tako nisi video ni jedan nosač koji je upotrebljen protiv tih koji tvrde da su ih učinili neupotrebljivim - jer nisu bili u direktnom sukobu.

Nisam naravno. Ali ako si sposoban ili raspoložen da skapiraš da sam napisao da ljubitelji diktatura i bede (verovatno deca roditelja slabića i poltrona koji pate za čvrstom rukom koja bi ih vodila kroz život kao marionete), već dugo vrte mantru da su nosači sada neupotrebljivi, i da smo to  komentarisali. A ne da li nosači mogu da se odbrane jer to niko ne potencira, niti o tome razgalba (jer se u tim bolesnim glavama koji prizivaju nuklearni rat podrazumeva da se nosači ne mogu odbraniti od superiornog ruskog oružja - pa što bi o tome i pričali kada to ne dolazi u obzir) makar ne u ovoj zemlji zalutalog naroda koji voli sve najgore države sveta...verovatno jer je i sam takav postao.

 

Pozdrav i za poznatog neutralca koji ti je lajkovao. Ima li nekih šišmiša povoljno brate moj, ili makar hrskavo pečenih labradora?

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17 hours ago, djura.net said:

Izgleda da Izrael ceka ovaj americki PVO sistem, pa ce tek onda da krene da napada Iran. Ocigledno im nije svejedno sta iz Teherana sve mogu da im 'posalju'.

Ja mislim da se prije radi o pregovorima sa Amerikancima (i, posredno preko Amerikanaca, ili čak možda i neposredno, sa zalivskim državama koje pokušavaju da odvrate Izrael od bombardovanja iranskih naftnih postrojenja jer se plaše da će u tom slučaju Iran udariti na njihova naftna postrojenja) nego o strahu od iranskih kapaciteta za eskalaciju, konkretno zato što mislim da Iranci nemaju tehnologiju koja im omogućuje da CEP svedu u desetine metara (između ostalog, mislim to zato što znamo da pregovaraju sa rusima da ovi hutijima isporuče protiv-brodske rakete P 800 Oniks, jer je za sada hutijima sa iranskom tehnologijom cost to kill ratio katastrofalan, praktično samo slučajno pogađaju, i to isključivo civilne teretnjake), tako da Iran u suštini može samo nasumično da gađa po Izraelu, a određeni broj civilnih žrtava na izraelskoj strani nije problem za jevrejske ekstremiste tipa Smotriča ili Ben Gvira, naprotiv.

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21 hours ago, tomas.hokenberi said:

 

Stvarni domet Kinžala je < 400km. Rusi sabiraju domet TU-22M i Kinžala kada izveštavaju o dometu.

 

 

 

 

 

Vundervafe ne postoji u principu..Video nisam gledao. Nisam vojni ekspert, ne zelim da polemisem o performansama rakete.. 

Odakle ti podaci za bold? 

 

У той самий час з двох бортів МіГ-31К ворогом, з Тульської області рф було запущено дві аеробалістичні ракети комплексу Х-47м2 «Кинджал». Ракети досягли Львова також близько 05:47

 

Ukoliko je lansirana iz Tulskoj oblasti, kakva je razdaljina do Lvova? 

 

 

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Hemijskim oružjem na mirovnjake

 

Honorable mention i za Smotriha, koji javno zagovara ideju velikog Izraela i kaže kako je zapisano da se Jerusalim proširi sve do Damaska. On očigledno nije dovoljno kažnjen za svoje ispade od prošle godine, a ministar je u izraelskoj vladi. 

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Artikulisanija verzija onoga što sam jutros napisao:

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At least twice in the past, in 2010 and 2011, Israel’s generals have been ordered by the prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, to prepare for imminent strikes on Iran. In both cases the security chiefs questioned the legality of the order, given without the necessary cabinet authorisation. In neither instance did Israel go to war with the Islamic Republic.

Today Israel is once again on the verge of thumping Iran. This time Mr Netanyahu will have no problem getting approval from a cabinet which if anything is even more gung-ho than he is. Nor are the leaders of Israel’s armed forces as opposed to such action as before. And this time Israel believes the odds are in its favour.

Israel’s leaders reckon that the 181 ballistic missiles fired by Iran at Israel on October 1st leave them with little alternative but to hit back. What form the retaliation takes could have wide-ranging implications for the Middle East and beyond.

Four types of targets are being considered. Mr Netanyahu has long favoured bombing the sites where Iran enriches uranium and carries out research for its nuclear programme. But these are dispersed around the country in heavily fortified locations deep underground. Doing significant damage would require large numbers of bunker-busting missiles launched from dozens of aircraft operating at least 1,200km (750 miles) away from Israel. Israel’s air force is the most powerful in the region but it may be difficult for it to set back Iran’s nuclear programme by more than a few months.

A more vulnerable strategic target would be Iran’s main ports, specifically the oil terminals which provide most of Iran’s foreign-currency income. Israeli strategists believe that destroying them would deal a severe blow to Iran’s already shaky economy. This, they hope, might provoke further unrest within Iran. Some dream that it could even lead to the regime’s downfall.

A third choice would be to target the country’s leaders directly, just as Israel has attacked the leaders of Iran’s proxies and allies, Hizbullah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza. This would be tricky, as Iran’s most senior figures would almost certainly retreat to secret protected locations if an Israeli strike looked imminent. And the impact of such attacks is always uncertain. The question of who will replace Iran’s ageing supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, is already a subject of much deliberation there.

Israel’s most obvious military response would be a tit-for-tat strike on Iran’s missile bases. This option would arguably be the least likely to provoke yet another missile salvo from Iran. But Mr Netanyahu believes that Israel has a historic chance to reshape the region. And this time some of his generals, though not all, agree. They think that the fact that Israel has withstood two major salvoes of Iranian missiles (the first in April) with barely any casualties or serious damage proves that Israel can withstand whatever Iran throws at it.

Those in favour of hitting Iran’s nuclear programme and economic infrastructure also believe that Israel has a rare momentum behind it, having in the space of weeks decapitated the main leaders of Hizbullah, Iran’s most powerful client militia in the region, and having destroyed a large proportion of its missile arsenal, too. Those missiles were supplied to Hizbullah by Iran to act as a deterrent against Israel attacking the Islamic Republic. Much of that deterrent has gone up in smoke.

So why, more than a week after Iran’s missile attack, has Israel not yet struck back? Not everyone in Israel’s security circles is in a rush to change the Middle East. Several of the country’s generals are counselling caution. For a start, they believe that Israel cannot afford to launch a campaign of this magnitude without co-ordinating with its main ally, the United States. But President Joe Biden has publicly spoken out against an Israeli attack on Iran’s oil infrastructure, since that risks causing global energy prices to soar on the eve of America’s elections. So far the president has also been against an Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Despite the support worth nearly $18bn that America has given Israel in the past year, and although American planes and warships played a big part in intercepting Iran’s missiles, Israel has yet to share its plans with its closest ally. Mr Netanyahu even vetoed a proposed trip by Yoav Gallant, the defence minister, to Washington to discuss the options. Meanwhile, in televised statements Mr Netanyahu has promised the Iranians they will be free of their regime “a lot sooner than people think” and has exhorted the Lebanese to “free your country from Hizbullah”.

On October 9th Mr Netanyahu spoke by phone with Mr Biden for almost an hour. They spent most of the call discussing the possible strikes but did not seem to reach any kind of agreement.

There are Israeli defence officials who worry that provoking an all-out war with Iran, while Israel is still fighting Hamas in Gaza and has launched a ground invasion against Hizbullah in southern Lebanon, would stretch resources dangerously thin. Some generals warn of squandering the gains already made.

But since the disaster of October 7th 2023, the credibility of Israel’s military and intelligence chiefs in standing up to the prime minister has diminished. Like Mr Netanyahu, they seem ready to risk a devastating conflagration in order to transform their legacy from having overseen Israel’s greatest debacle to becoming the victors of a regional war. Like him, they may yet fall victim to their own hubris.

 

 

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...Zar to nije cudno da bilo ko moze `dobronamerno` da pomisli da se idf pozicionira da gadja mirovnjake po libanu...Da li se time kaze da Izrael nema nista protiv hezbi vec cilja mirovnjake, njih bas hoce da istrebi....Medjutim niko da objasni zbog cega Izrael `bira da ubija` dobre momke a lose cuva :classic_huh:

 

Da li su Izrael napadali mirovnjaci? Nisu. Pa zasto onda njih? Mozda se zaboravlja na `superosmisljenu` iranskoproksijevsku taktiku - ljudski stit?

 

On Sunday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on the UN to evacuate troops in its UNIFIL peacekeeping force from combat areas in Lebanon.

Mr Netanyahu said the military had asked the UN to evacuate the soldiers repeatedly, adding that their presence in the area made them hostages of Hezbollah.

 

Netanjahu je takodje obecao Bidenu da nece gadjati nuklearna postrojenja kad `proseta` do Irana....jer i njemu je zao da rastura postrojenja u koje je Obama bas dosta ulozio...posle i Biden ...medjutim nikada niko ne moze biti toliko precizan u ratu, uvek meta, nehotice moze da postane nesto sto si obecao da neces da gadjas (ovo je samo moja privatna matematika, nisam primetila da je ovu mogucnost neko javno obznanio). 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Mama_mia said:

...Zar to nije cudno da bilo ko moze `dobronamerno` da pomisli da se idf pozicionira da gadja mirovnjake po libanu...Da li se time kaze da Izrael nema nista protiv hezbi vec cilja mirovnjake, njih bas hoce da istrebi....Medjutim niko da objasni zbog cega Izrael `bira da ubija` dobre momke a lose cuva :classic_huh:

 

Da li su Izrael napadali mirovnjaci? Nisu. Pa zasto onda njih? Mozda se zaboravlja na `superosmisljenu` iranskoproksijevsku taktiku - ljudski stit?

 

Ne samo da ih gadja i pogadja nego ih unistava i bojnim otrovima (Zyklon B).

Pola veka su tamo ( ili skoro pa pola), niko ih ne yebava za suvu sljivu, kao i da ih nema, ali bas sada je njihovo

pristustvo mnogo vazno.

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2 minutes ago, Selina said:

Ne samo da ih gadja i pogadja nego ih unistava i bojnim otrovima (Zyklon B).

Pola veka su tamo ( ili skoro pa pola), niko ih ne yebava za suvu sljivu, kao i da ih nema, ali bas sada je njihovo

pristustvo mnogo vazno.

 

Lepo je objasnjeno da je bolje da se sklone nego da ih hezbe zadrzavaju kao taoce kako bi posle svet mogao da kuka nad neduznim mirovnim radnicima, ali ne vredi. Oni, taj vrli glupi svet gluv i slep na realnost i dalje apeluje da mirovnjaci moraju biti zasticeni od napada idf. Kao da ne shvataju da ce ih `zastititi` hezbolah. 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, attolini said:

 

 

 

Vundervafe ne postoji u principu..Video nisam gledao. Nisam vojni ekspert, ne zelim da polemisem o performansama rakete.. 

Odakle ti podaci za bold? 

 

У той самий час з двох бортів МіГ-31К ворогом, з Тульської області рф було запущено дві аеробалістичні ракети комплексу Х-47м2 «Кинджал». Ракети досягли Львова також близько 05:47

 

Ukoliko je lansirana iz Tulskoj oblasti, kakva je razdaljina do Lvova? 

 

 

Šta je lansirano iz Tulske oblasti? Projektil ili je odatle poleteo mig-31?

Ali imaš pravo ipak je nešto više od 400km domet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-47M2_Kinzhal

 

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37 minutes ago, DameTime said:

Ministar spoljnih poslova Izraela osudio izjave Smotriha, ali sve je to luk i voda. Da stvarno žele da se ograde od njegovih fašističkih ispada, taj od prošle godine ne bi prišao ministarskoj fotelji.

Ti da si na mestu Netanyahua, bi uklonila jednu budalu da izgubis koalicionu vladu? Meni to zvuci nerealno. Sto ne znaci da podrzavaju njegovo lupetanje, nego moraju da ga trpe

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