Epidemija koronavirusa (Covid-19 / SARS-Cov2) - dnevne aktuelnosti iz zemlje i sveta

[Brian Setzer]

Moram da priznam da ne kapiram u čemu je problem s "novom" mutacijom virusa? Mislim, ako je zarazniji, potisnuće "ranije" mutacije, gde postoji "veći" imunitet (preboleli/("sveže")vakcinisani), problemi će biti manji i obrnuto.

 

[Clash]

18 minutes ago, urosg3 said:

E sad postiš sa votkom koliko?

Sad votku ne pijem, al zato viski cepam.

[Tomiprunet]

5 minutes ago, Sunshine State said:

 

"Prepisala" s one strucne lekarske grupe - ako oni misle da je bitno da podele medjusobno, "ne iste 'leba" da i mi ovde procitamo!

A nije ni lose napisati da to neki vec pricaju godinu ipo dana ( da je prirodni imunitet najbolji ) a oni to tek sad izstudirali 

4 minutes ago, stray_cat said:

Moram da priznam da ne kapiram u čemu je problem s "novom" mutacijom virusa? Mislim, ako je zarazniji, potisnuće "ranije" mutacije, gde postoji "veći" imunitet (preboleli/("sveže")vakcinisani), problemi će biti manji i obrnuto.

 

Pa ako je onakakv kakav pricaju, da zarazeni imaju slabe simptome, onda ce ovaj mozda biti "novi grip"

[Brian Setzer]

2 minutes ago, Tomiprunet said:

A nije ni lose napisati da to neki vec pricaju godinu ipo dana ( da je prirodni imunitet najbolji ) a oni to tek sad izstudirali 

 

Prirodni imunitet jeste najbolji ako se već desilo, primio si solidnu količinu virusa i lako je prošlo.

 

U svakom drugom obliku (tek treba da se desi ili te samo "okrznulo" ili možda ostane i neka posledica), neka fala.

[Sunshine State]

9 minutes ago, Tomiprunet said:

A nije ni lose napisati da to neki vec pricaju godinu ipo dana ( da je prirodni imunitet najbolji ) a oni to tek sad izstudirali 

 

Sad vrtim po glavi i uporedjujem  mali uzorak ljudi koje ja znam - troje koji su samo prelezali (jedno bilo u bolnici proslog jula, drugo dvoje kucna varijanta u januaru) i troje koji su bili samo vakcinisani (dva Sinopharma, jedan Sputnik, u aprilu) - ovih troje sto su prelezali nisu se ponovo zarazili, a ovih troje vakcinisanih su se zarazili pocetkom septembra.

 

'bem li ga, mora imunitet nakon prelezanog virusa da igra nekuulogu, nema sanse da je nebitan, inace bismo videli mnooogo skucajeva rezarazavanja, jer pandemija traje skoro dve godine.

 

Zato i pitah @erwin ima li negde ta statistika

Edited November 28, 2021 by Sunshine State

[Angelia]

3 minutes ago, Clash said:

Sad votku ne pijem, al zato viski cepam.

Treci Pfizer danas... pa kako nam bude 

 

Sad se vratila - jedva nasla prosle nedelje da za vikend to obavim. Pogledam apoteku mislim se nesto nisam nikad bila u tom kraju ali jedina sa dosta slobodnih termina, samo 3.5 milje od mene, kolko lose moze da bude kraj....sve blize zauzeto jos 2 nedelje.

 

Veoma, veoma lose, veoma lose. West Philly style. Unutra ulaze ljudi, pola nema maske (iako za Philly vazi mandat). Nije ni cudo da ima dosta slobodnih termina.

 

Pa posle kazu virus disproporcionalno pogadja nize socijalne slojeve...aha.

[Tomiprunet]

@Sunshine StateAko se vodimo logikom, i naukom od pre, a i iz osnovne skole 🙂 onda bi valjda prirodni imunitet trebao da bude bolji.

Edited November 28, 2021 by Tomiprunet

[Clash]

2 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Treci Pfizer danas... pa kako nam bude 

 

Sad se vratila - jedva nasla prosle nedelje da za vikend to obavim. Pogledam apoteku mislim se nesto nisam nikad bila u tom kraju ali jedina sa dosta slobodnih termina, samo 3.5 milje od mene, kolko lose moze da bude kraj....sve blize zauzeto jos 2 nedelje.

 

Veoma, veoma lose, veoma lose. West Philly style. Unutra ulaze ljudi, pola nema maske (iako za Philly vazi mandat). Nije ni cudo da ima dosta slobodnih termina.

 

Pa posle kazu virus disproporcionalno pogadja nize socijalne slojeve...aha.

Nije za porediti al ajde.

NS, dom zdravlja Novo Naselje, cetiri mesta za vakcinisanje sestra+doktorica u svakoj, nema guzve,  jedna devojka pored mene, cak nisam ni popunjavao neki formular sestra uzela i sama popunila na osnovu prethodne vakcinacije. Imaju kineza, sputnjik, fajzer, ne znam za modernu nisam pitao. Ne duze od bukvalno 5 minuta. Jos nedelja i ima parking neposredno kod vakcinalnog mesta.

[Del Piero]

kako cuti ova peezda levo
 

 

[Tomiprunet]

Imali su covid propusnice 🙂

[Sunshine State]

Juznoafricki ministar zdravlja kaze:

"South African Health Minister Joe Phaahla said that new travel restrictions amid concerns over a heavily mutated Covid variant are “unjustified.”

 

Kaze da su "kaznjeni, jer su bili transparentni i da se plasi da neke druge drzave, zbog ovakvih reakcija, nece hteti da prijavljuju  ako identifikuju nove sojeve, jer ce (skoro automatski) biti izopstene i izolovane"

[Ridji]

25 minutes ago, Del Piero said:

kako cuti ova peezda levo
 

 

Lepo se ruckalo poslednjih meseci, napravio vojnik obrasčiće

[erwin]

Ima npr. ovo iz Oklahome: 1,17% dokazano preležalih se ponovo zarazilo, dok je taj procenat kod potpuno vakcinisanih 0,67%, rastu i jedan i drugi procenat, ali brže kod vakcinisanih.

 

 

https://oklahoma.gov/content/dam/ok/en/covid19/documents/weekly-epi-report/2021.10.13 Weekly Epi Report.pdf

 

I ovo CDC-jevo, gde su gledali samo ograničeni vremenski period (90-179 dana posle infekcije/vakcinacije):

 

 

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Among COVID-19–like illness hospitalizations among adults aged ≥18 years whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, the adjusted odds of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 among unvaccinated adults with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection were 5.49-fold higher than the odds among fully vaccinated recipients of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine who had no previous documented infection (95% confidence interval = 2.75–10.99).

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm?s_cid=mm7044e1_w

 

Edited November 28, 2021 by erwin

[erwin]

  

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A new Covid variant is no surprise when rich countries are hoarding vaccines
Gordon Brown, the WHO ambassador for global health financing and former UK prime minister (2007-2010)

Western countries are destroying surplus doses of vaccine while the poorest nations go without. This must change

Despite the repeated warnings of health leaders, our failure to put vaccines into the arms of people in the developing world is now coming back to haunt us. We were forewarned – and yet here we are.

In the absence of mass vaccination, Covid is not only spreading uninhibited among unprotected people but is mutating, with new variants emerging out of the poorest countries and now threatening to unleash themselves on even fully vaccinated people in the richest countries of the world.

On Thursday, the UK’s Department of Health, which has placed a travel ban on southern Africa, warned that the B.1.1.529 “Omicron” variant was the most “complex” and “worrying” seen so far. And yet with 9.1bn vaccines already manufactured and 12bn expected by the year’s end – enough to vaccinate the whole world – this was the “arms race” that we could have won. No country should be facing yet another winter with the uncertainty of a new wave of Covid hanging over us.

On Monday, the World Health Assembly, the decision-making body of the World Health Organization, will meet in a special session. They will hear that vaccination rates in the six countries now subject to UK travel bans are still dangerously below the 40% target that was set for December. In Zimbabwe, only 25% have had a first vaccine and just 19% of the population are fully vaccinated. In Lesotho and Eswatini, which have had the Johnson and Johnson single-shot vaccines, just 27% and 22% respectively have been vaccinated. In Namibia the figure is even lower: 14% vaccinated with only 12% fully vaccinated.

While South Africa has achieved 27% vaccination rates, its rural areas are often in single figures, and the whole of the continent is justifiably angry because their own efforts to vaccinate have been impeded for months by the neo-colonialism of the European Union. Even as the gap between the vaccines haves of Europe and the vaccine have-nots of Africa mushroomed, the EU insisted on commandeering millions of South African-produced Johnson & Johnson one-shot vaccines and sending them out of Africa into Europe.

In June, Boris Johnson promised he and the G7 countries would use their surplus vaccines to immunise the whole world. In September, at a summit chaired by President Biden, a December target of 40% vaccination was set for the 92 poorest countries. Two and a half months on, there is little chance of this target being met in at least 82 of them. By Thursday the US, which to its credit has been responsible for half the vaccines donated, had still delivered only 25% of the vaccines that it promised.

The arithmetic of failure in the rest of the world is even more embarrassing. According to Airfinity, the European Union has delivered only 19%, the UK just 11% and Canada just 5%.

China and New Zealand have delivered over half of what was promised, but their pledges amounted to just 100m and 1.6m respectively. Australia has given just 18% of what it offered and Switzerland just 12%.

The result is that even now only 3% of people in low-income countries are fully vaccinated, while the figure exceeds 60% in both high-income countries and upper-middle-income countries. Every day, for every vaccine delivered as first vaccines in the poorest countries, six times as many doses are being administered as third and booster vaccines in the richest parts of the world. This vaccine inequality is the main reason why the WHO is predicting 200 million more cases on top of the 260 million so far. And after 5 million deaths to Covid, another 5 million are thought to be possible in the next year and more.

What’s most galling is that this policy failure is not because we are short of vaccines or manufacturing contracts to secure them. The problem is not now in production (2 billion doses of vaccine are being manufactured every month), but in the unfairness of distribution. The stranglehold exercised by the G20 richest countries is such that they have monopolised 89% of vaccines, and even now, 71% of future deliveries are scheduled for them. As a result, the global vaccine distribution agency, Covax, has been able to secure only two-thirds of the 2bn vaccines promised to poorer countries.

The good news is that our medical genius has ensured that the new Omicron variant has been identified quickly; is being sequenced at speed; and, if it proves not only more transmissible but immune to current vaccines, a new vaccine could potentially soon emerge. But given the contrast between the success of our scientists and the failure of our global leaders, only a herculean effort starting this week can allay fears that new mutations among unvaccinated people in the least-protected places will take Covid into a third year – with even fifth, sixth and seventh waves.

We can act quickly. As of today, 500m unused vaccines are available across the G7. By December, the figure will rise to 600m, and by February, it will be 850m vaccines, which can be sent to the countries in greatest need. At the last count, the US has 162m vaccine doses it could immediately deliver to the rest of the world, a figure that grows to 250m next month; Europe currently has even more: 250m, which by February could exceed 350m. The UK has 33m vaccines – expected to rise to 46m over the next three months.

The alternative is too awful to contemplate; vaccines are being destroyed while lives are being lost through lack of them. According to the data research agency Covax, around 100m of western countries’ vaccines will pass their use-by dates in December and could easily go to waste. Of course, there will be issues of absorption in Africa, but the bigger problem is that too many of the vaccines gifted to the poorest countries are within 12 weeks of their “use-by-dates”. These short lead times between donation and expiry show why a strengthened G20 and a month-to-month delivery timetable is now urgent; and why the expeditious transferring of delivery dates, from rich to poor countries – as has happened with Switzerland’s recent transfer to Covax – is the best way of speeding up the transfer of unused vaccines to where they are needed most.

Nothing so dramatically illustrates the urgent need for what might be called a pandemic non-proliferation treaty . A new and binding international agreement that the World Health Assembly will consider next week must improve our surveillance and early warning systems, ensure the early transfer of medical supplies to countries in need, and finally agree sufficient funding of a worldwide effort to deliver what is clearly the most important global public good of all: cross-border control of infectious disease. Only when we reject vaccine nationalism and medical protectionism will we stop outbreaks becoming pandemics.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/26/new-covid-variant-rich-countries-hoarding-vaccines

 

[Cyber]

Citam jutros da je lov na omikron poceo sa dve zarazene osobe u aerodromskom hotelu u Hongkongu. Slucajevi su kasnije dovedeni u vezu sa povecanjem broja slucajeva u Juznoj Africi. Tako je otkriven nulti pacijent. Text je zakljucan pa cu preneti sto vernije mogu. Dakle, prica ide sledecim redom.

 

23. oktobra jedan 36-godisnjak leti iz Hongkonga u Juznu Afriku. Dvadeset dana kasnije, 11. novembra on leti nazad u Hongkong gde je po dolasku testiran i prema vazecim propisima smesten u 21-dnevni karantin u aerodromskom hotelu, te biva oznacen kao ”slucaj 12388”. Dva dana kasnije test potvrdjuje da je zarazen i biva smesten u bolnicu sa vrlo visokim nivoom virusa u telu. Ispostavlja se da je zarazen sa varijantom koja je sada dobila naziv omikron. Kao prvi dokumentovan slucaj sa ovom mutacijom ovaj tip se racuna kao nulti pacijent.

 

22. novembra hongkonski Centar za zdravlje (CHP) unosi novi genom iz virusa u internacionalnu bazu podataka GISAID, koju virolozi sirom sveta marljivo koriste. Istog dana CHP otrkiva jos jedan slucaj u istom karantin-hotelu, ”slucaj 12404” - 62-godisnja zena iz Kanade koja je boravila u sobi preko puta onog prvootkrivenog slucaja 12388. U GISAID-u se momentalno upozorilo da nadjena mutacija moze biti vrlo zarazna. Eksperti zakljucuju da je virus prenet pri izlasku iz sobe prvozarazenog.

 

A ovde sam pronasla jos neke detalje u vezi ove price. => klick!

[urosg3]

2 minutes ago, Cyber said:

Citam jutros da je lov na omikron poceo sa dve zarazene osobe u aerodromskom hotelu u Hongkongu. Slucajevi su kasnije dovedeni u vezu sa povecanjem broja slucajeva u Juznoj Africi. Tako je otkriven nulti pacijent. Text je zakljucan pa cu preneti sto vernije mogu. Dakle, prica ide sledecim redom.

 

23. oktobra jedan 36-godisnjak leti iz Hongkonga u Juznu Afriku. Dvadeset dana kasnije, 11. novembra on leti nazad u Hongkong gde je po dolasku testiran i prema vazecim propisima smesten u 21-dnevni karantin u aerodromskom hotelu, te biva oznacen kao ”slucaj 12388”. Dva dana kasnije test potvrdjuje da je zarazen i biva smesten u bolnicu sa vrlo visokim nivoom virusa u telu. Ispostavlja se da je zarazen sa varijantom koja je sada dobila naziv omikron. Kao prvi dokumentovan slucaj sa ovom mutacijom ovaj tip se racuna kao nulti pacijent.

 

22. novembra hongkonski Centar za zdravlje (CHP) unosi novi genom iz virusa u internacionalnu bazu podataka GISAID, koju virolozi sirom sveta marljivo koriste. Istog dana CHP otrkiva jos jedan slucaj u istom karantin-hotelu, ”slucaj 12404” - 62-godisnja zena iz Kanade koja je boravila u sobi preko puta onog prvootkrivenog slucaja 12388. U GISAID-u se momentalno upozorilo da nadjena mutacija moze biti vrlo zarazna. Eksperti zakljucuju da je virus prenet pri izlasku iz sobe prvozarazenog.

 

A ovde sam pronasla jos neke detalje u vezi ove price. => klick!

Šta u žargonu znači “selfish” valve-style face mask

[Angelia]

57 minutes ago, Clash said:

Nije za porediti al ajde.

NS, dom zdravlja Novo Naselje, cetiri mesta za vakcinisanje sestra+doktorica u svakoj, nema guzve,  jedna devojka pored mene, cak nisam ni popunjavao neki formular sestra uzela i sama popunila na osnovu prethodne vakcinacije. Imaju kineza, sputnjik, fajzer, ne znam za modernu nisam pitao. Ne duze od bukvalno 5 minuta. Jos nedelja i ima parking neposredno kod vakcinalnog mesta.

Ma ja bila sama za vakcinu, ovi sto su ulazili shoppinguju nesto, kod nas su te apoteke skoro ko supermarket. Popunila papire on line unapred. Samo im das licnu kartu, kartu osiguranja I onu karticu na koju upisu booster.

Znaci isto 5 minuta.

Mislim posle ono sto su upisali mogla sam I ja da naskrabam, AL ajde. Ovi su imali Pfizer I Modernu, mislim isto mi. 

 

Da ne pominjem da sam bila jedina bela u kraju, osim sestre koja je azijatkinja. Medjutim, u mom kraju, znaci administrativnom, kad sam probala da zakazem, stotine termina otislo za par sati, nista do sredine Decembra. Ovde sam komotno mogla da zakazem danas, za isti dan.

 

 I da, taj kraj je drasticno gusce naseljen.

 

Ovo pricam, zato sto se kod mene uporno prica kako neki desnicari nece da se vakcinisu, kao borci za prava....totalni medijski spin. I kako ce mandat za maske naterati ljude da se vakcinisu, nece...jer ti ljudi ionako ne nose maske uglavnom. 

[shonke]

15 minutes ago, Cyber said:

Citam jutros da je lov na omikron poceo sa dve zarazene osobe u aerodromskom hotelu u Hongkongu. Slucajevi su kasnije dovedeni u vezu sa povecanjem broja slucajeva u Juznoj Africi. Tako je otkriven nulti pacijent. Text je zakljucan pa cu preneti sto vernije mogu. Dakle, prica ide sledecim redom.

 

23. oktobra jedan 36-godisnjak leti iz Hongkonga u Juznu Afriku. Dvadeset dana kasnije, 11. novembra on leti nazad u Hongkong gde je po dolasku testiran i prema vazecim propisima smesten u 21-dnevni karantin u aerodromskom hotelu, te biva oznacen kao ”slucaj 12388”. Dva dana kasnije test potvrdjuje da je zarazen i biva smesten u bolnicu sa vrlo visokim nivoom virusa u telu. Ispostavlja se da je zarazen sa varijantom koja je sada dobila naziv omikron. Kao prvi dokumentovan slucaj sa ovom mutacijom ovaj tip se racuna kao nulti pacijent.

 

22. novembra hongkonski Centar za zdravlje (CHP) unosi novi genom iz virusa u internacionalnu bazu podataka GISAID, koju virolozi sirom sveta marljivo koriste. Istog dana CHP otrkiva jos jedan slucaj u istom karantin-hotelu, ”slucaj 12404” - 62-godisnja zena iz Kanade koja je boravila u sobi preko puta onog prvootkrivenog slucaja 12388. U GISAID-u se momentalno upozorilo da nadjena mutacija moze biti vrlo zarazna. Eksperti zakljucuju da je virus prenet pri izlasku iz sobe prvozarazenog.

 

A ovde sam pronasla jos neke detalje u vezi ove price. => klick!

 

Koliko sam pročitao negde, obe ove osobe su vakcinisane ali nigde nisam našao kako su prošli kroz bolest (prošlo je dovoljno vremena da se taj podatak sada ima.

[erwin]

23 minutes ago, urosg3 said:

Šta u žargonu znači “selfish” valve-style face mask

 

Maska kakvu nosi Tiodorović, izdišeš vazduh kroz jednosmerni ventil (krije se iza ove zelene plastike na slici) kao da maska ne postoji, a udišeš kroz materijal maske, tj. uz filtraciju.

 

Dakle, zaražavaš druge kao da nemaš masku, a sebe štitiš kao da imaš.

 

Edited November 28, 2021 by erwin

[Cyber]

9 minutes ago, shonke said:

Koliko sam pročitao negde, obe ove osobe su vakcinisane ali nigde nisam našao kako su prošli kroz bolest (prošlo je dovoljno vremena da se taj podatak sada ima.

 

Slusala sam jutros jednog epidemiologa na radiju koji kaze da je omikron sjedinio najgore od svih prethodnih mutacija i da je vrlo vest u tome za se provuce ispod radara i zaobidje imuni sistem. 

[Cyber]

Nadam se da se ovakve informacije nece zloupotrebljavati ukoliko se pokazu tacnim.

 

COVID-19: Emergence of Omicron variant could be down to 'reservoirs' of virus in the unvaccinated and immunosuppressed.

>>>

 

[urosg3]

19 minutes ago, erwin said:

 

Maska kakvu nosi Tiodorović, izdišeš vazduh kroz jednosmerni ventil (krije se iza ove zelene plastike na slici) kao da maska ne postoji, a udišeš kroz materijal maske, tj. uz filtraciju.

 

Dakle, zaražavaš druge kao da nemaš masku, a sebe štitiš kao da imaš.

 

I zato je selfish okay, inače izgleda kao pačji kljun

[erwin]

U opštem slučaju ne mora da izgleda tako. Evo par primera.

 

 

 

[Cyber]

Speedy Gonzales Omikron je sve blize. The State's Serum Institute u Danskoj je potvrdio dva registrovana slucaja u zemlji. Zarazeni su dosli iz Juzne Afrike.

U Svedsku je jutros ´ladno sletelo oko 300 ljudi preko trece zemlje iz Juzne Afrike. Preporuceno (sic!) im je da se po sletanju testiraju na aerodromu ali to nije bilo moguce jer pult za testiranje nije bio otvoren. Ponavljaju istu gresku od prosle godine kada je sletelo par stotina ljudi koji su se vracali sa skijanja u Italiji u doba najvece frke tamo.  

 

WHO 28. decembar => Update on Omicron 

Edited November 28, 2021 by Cyber

[urosg3]

41 minutes ago, erwin said:

U opštem slučaju ne mora da izgleda tako. Evo par primera.

 

 

 

Selfish 🙂