Epidemija koronavirusa (Covid-19 / SARS-Cov2) - dnevne aktuelnosti iz zemlje i sveta

[Eddard]

Kriv je ginekolog. 100%.

 

Ako "su rekli" da se trudnice obavezno vakcinišu, to znači da je preporuka već postojala, tako da "ali ja to ne mogu da ti preporučim jer trlababalan..." je direktan nemar i treba da se kazni. 

[erwin]

26. april 2021.

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„Vakcinacija je najbolja zaštita i za trudnice i za plod, s obzirom da antitela prolaze kroz posteljicu i da ih ima i u majčinom mleku", kaže Stefanović i predsednik Udruženja ginekologa i opstetičara Srbije, Crne Gore i Republike Srpske.

Dodaje da je stav Svetske organizacije ginekologa i akušera (FIGO), kao i one u Srbiji da ginekolozi treba da preporučuju vakcinaciju, ali da je konačna odluka na trudnicama.

https://www.bbc.com/serbian/lat/srbija-56835115

Edited November 21, 2021 by erwin

[wwww]

https://www.allgaeuer-zeitung.de/oesterreich/fpö-chef-herbert-kickl-an-covid-19-erkrankt_arid-346300

 

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FPÖ boss Herbert Kickl fell ill with Covid-19

15.11.2021

Herbert Kickl, vaccine-skeptical boss of the right-wing FPÖ in Austria, is sick with Covid-19.

 

The politician reported on Facebook on Monday that he and his family members had symptoms. "Unfortunately, I have to inform you that I received the message from the health authorities today that a PCR test that I submitted yesterday is positive," wrote the 53-year-old party leader.

 

During the pandemic, the FPÖ rejected the government's corona measures as restrictions on freedom. At the beginning of November Kickl presented a "Plan B" against the virus. In his view, the early treatment of Covid-19 should be relied on instead of the vaccination, which "has produced too many serious courses and fatalities." He also mentioned the anti-wormer drug ivermectin, which can be used against the disease.

 

Kickl drove campaign against corona vaccination

 

It was only on Sunday that Kickl called for a demonstration in Vienna next Saturday in response to the decided lockdown for unvaccinated people in Austria. The country now has a "corona apartheid system," wrote Kickl on Facebook. In addition, he announced a lawsuit at the Constitutional Court for disregard of fundamental rights and freedoms. With his campaign against vaccinations and for not recommended therapies, Kickl clearly opposed medical doctrine. Doctors and the government have therefore repeatedly sharply criticized Kickl.

 

 

https://www.derstandard.de/story/2000131258432/ivermectin-vergiftungen-konsequenzen-fuer-kickl

18. November 2021

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Ivermectin Poisoning: Consequences for Kickl

 

As if the situation in the local hospitals were not already dramatic enough, the staff working there in a state of emergency now also have to take care of people who have treated themselves against corona with "alternative drugs": In Eastern Styria, a woman is in the intensive care unit, because she has taken an overdose of the worming drug ivermectin. Also in Styria, a man had to receive intensive care because his kidneys were failing. The reason: He had taken a high dose of vitamin D for weeks.

 

This misery is not only responsible for those who apparently did not get enough information and self-therapy, but also the doctors who write a prescription for ivermectin, which is only used in humans in rare cases. Above all, however, it is Herbert Kickl who should now draw conclusions.

 

 

 

 

[erwin]

  

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According to the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), the district of Freyung-Grafenau has the highest incidence value nationwide on Sunday with 1651.5 - the second day in a row. The situation is "catastrophic," the District Administrator of the Freyung-Grafenau District, Sebastian Gruber (CSU) said. "Our hospitals and intensive care capacities are close to collapse, and there are already individual transfers to other government districts."

According to Gruber, the vaccination rate in the district is currently around 57 percent, which is below the Bavarian average of currently 66 percent. While there is a "run" on vaccinations, he said, this often involves booster shots. In the case of initial vaccinations, only small steps are still being taken. For this reason, District Administrator Gruber once again urgently appeals to the entire population of the district to be vaccinated.

https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/freyung-grafenau-landrat-begruesst-strengere-corona-regeln,SpJuYpl (prevod: Deepl)

[Cyber]

Signalna politika na delu - uvertira za (eventualno) uvodjenje obavezne vakcinacije.

 

Dr Kluge said mandatory vaccination measures should be seen as a "last resort" but that it would be "very timely" to have a "legal and societal debate" about the issue. >>>

 

A ovo je poruka WHO-vrhuske za ljubitelje slobode.

"Before that, there are other means like the

Covid pass," he said, adding that this is "not a restriction of liberty, rather it is a tool to keep our individual freedom."

[Drug Crni]

17 hours ago, alpaka Bereta Sida said:

Inace na protestima se njegovalo bratstvo i jedinstvo. Kao i uvijek Balkanci ujedinjeni samo kad trebaju bit idioti.  

 

Nase ce senke lutati po Becu,bezati od vakcine,plasiti gospodu normalne ljude 

[ras kass]

Srbski lekari kazu da 78% onh koji su prelezali covid imaju ostecenje srcanog misica. Ima li to istrazivanje da je negde zvanicno objavljeno ili je rekla kazala??? 

Edited November 21, 2021 by ras kass

[shonke]

Ne znam gde si pročitao ali mislim da je glupost. To je 780 hiljadanovih pacijenata sa bolešću srca u ovom trenutku.

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[ras kass]

 

Dobro kvazimediji su to objavili, ne lekari. 

 

 

[erwin]

  

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ICU is full of the unvaccinated – my patience with them is wearing thin

Most of the resources we are devoting to Covid in hospital are being spent on people who have not had their jab

In hospital, Covid-19 has largely become a disease of the unvaccinated. The man in his 20s who had always watched what he ate, worked out in the gym, was too healthy to ever catch Covid badly. The 48-year-old who never got round to making the appointment.

The person in their 50s whose friend had side-effects. The woman who wanted to wait for more evidence. The young pregnant lady worried about the effect on her baby.

The 60-year-old, brought to hospital with oxygen saturations of 70% by the ambulance that he initially called for his partner, who had died by the time it arrived; both believed that the drug companies bribed the government to get the vaccine approved.

All severely ill with Covid. All unvaccinated and previously healthy. All completely avoidable.

Of course, there are people who have their vaccinations but still get sick. These people may be elderly or frail, or have underlying health problems. Those with illnesses affecting the immune system, particularly patients who have had chemotherapy for blood cancers, are especially vulnerable. Some unlucky healthy people will also end up on our general wards with Covid after being vaccinated, usually needing a modest amount of oxygen for a few days.

But the story is different on our intensive care unit. Here, the patient population consists of a few vulnerable people with severe underlying health problems and a majority of fit, healthy, younger people unvaccinated by choice. Watching the mix of patients coming in with Covid, it feels to me like hardly anybody has been vaccinated nowadays; of course, this is because the people that have been vaccinated are getting on with their lives at home. If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you.

Furthermore, we have recently rolled out a new medication for patients without antibodies against Covid. It costs about £2,000 a treatment and is subject to a rigorous and time-consuming approval process for every case we treat. Guess which patients don’t have these antibodies (spoiler: it’s not the ones who have been vaccinated).

Most of the resources that we are devoting to Covid in hospital are now being spent on the unvaccinated.

Yes, vaccinations are unpleasant. They cause side-effects. They hurt. You may even still catch Covid afterwards. I have many colleagues who have felt awful after vaccination and a few who had to take a day or two off work. However, I have not heard of any who have been hospitalised with Covid afterwards or who have had severe side-effects. The approvals process was incredibly stringent and we now have an unbelievable amount of real-world data that these vaccines work. The science that has been applied here is nothing short of awe-inspiring to me. However, I realise that none of these rational arguments would change the mind of someone who is resolved against having it, although I suppose it may push someone who remains undecided.

As a respiratory doctor, I have spent my whole career treating people whose lung diseases have been caused by smoking, including long after they knew the risks. I have spent countless hours with people who blame themselves for ruining their health; I have thought a lot about our personal responsibility for our health and to what degree we should be held accountable for our choices. I personally – unlike some of my colleagues – have never felt any ambivalence about treating smokers without judgment in exactly the same way as people with diseases that are not seen as self-inflicted.

Enshrined in the way we protect patients’ autonomy is the recognition that others may reasonably make decisions we may see as irrational or wrong. We are all products of our upbringing, education and opportunities, and I have been hugely fortunate that in my case these have led me to make decisions I value. Who is to say I wouldn’t have made different choices in someone else’s shoes.

Translating this to the choice not to take the vaccine, however, I find my patience wearing thin. I think this is for a number of reasons. Even if you are not worried about your own risk from Covid, you cannot know the risk of the people into whose faces you may cough; there is a dangerous and selfish element to this that I find hard to stomach.

Some of my frustration is directed upwards, at the flagrant misinformation flourishing in certain places and the utterly woeful example that our leaders continue to set. I have never heard a reason not to take the vaccine that I have agreed with. Most of all, however, I am now beaten back, exhausted, worn down by the continuous stream of people that we battle to treat when they have consciously passed up the opportunity to save themselves. It does make me angry.

Despite this, I find the idea of NHS and care staff being forced to be vaccinated very difficult. I know that it is the right outcome, but I dislike the means of bringing it about. It is incredible to me that there is so much anxiety and falsehood around that this could possibly be necessary after the year we have all witnessed. How strong is the hold that this information has on people that it outweighs rational thought?

Maybe it’s just that others have not seen what I have recently, or do not believe it, but even now we have nurses on our Covid ward who have not been vaccinated. I just hope that we don’t end up losing yet more staff.

Fundamentally though, for me, it comes down to this. I can’t think of a single case offhand of a person who was previously fit and healthy who has ended up needing intensive care after being fully vaccinated. It may not stop you from catching Covid. But it can save your life when you do.

The writer is an NHS respiratory consultant who works across a number of hospitals

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin

[Brian Setzer]

Naravno da je kriva ginekologinja, ništa pogrešno ne bi uradila da je prećutala svoj stav, već samo prenela preporuku/stav svog esnafa, a to je da se preporučuje vakcinacija.

Nikakvo zvanično posebno odobrenje za trudnice nije uvedeno, samo zvanična preporuka ginekologa (ili nekog njihovog društva, organizacije). To što ovi naši neće/nisu hteli da daju vakcinu trudnicama, nego ih teraju da donesu mišljenje svog ginekologa, a ginekolozi se pravili blesavi pa neće da daju preporuku (jer nije dovoljno ispitano, nema dovoljno informacija, aj da ne rizikujemo, sedi ti kući i ne viđaj se ni sa kim dok se ne porodiš to je najsigurnije), dovodi do toga da se trudnice ne vakcinišu ili ne prijavljuju da su trudne (kad dođu na vakcinaciju). 

U kontraindikacijama za vakcinu ne piše trudnoća, uvek piše da direktno nisu ispitivane trudnice.

Nema posebnih negativnih neželjenih dejstava samo zato što je žena trudna. To što ona nosi još jedan život u sebi, pa kao mnogo je "rizičnije", pa svi smo (ili većina) roditelji: tom logikom (nije dovoljno ispitano) svako ko ima decu bi trebalo dobro da razmisli da li da se vakciniše, jer nije dovoljno ispitano (i šta ako mu se nešto desi ako bude bilo nekih neželjenih dejstava vakcine, šta će da bude s njegovom decom ako roditelj ostane kljakav zbog vakcine).

Ili recimo žene koje hoće da imaju još dece (a i muškarci, i oni su (još uvek) bitni za nastanak novog života): kaže im lekar, vakcina se preporučuje, ali moraš dobro da razmisliš jer, znaš, još uvek nije dovoljno ispitano kakve posledice vakcina ostavlja (ne znamo šta će da bude za 3, 4, X godina).

Bukvalno isto može da kaže bilo koji lekar bilo kojoj osobi: odobrena je vakcina, ali ja ne znam da li je ona sigurna, moraš ti sam da odlučiš, jer nemamo dovoljno informacija šta će da bude u budućnosti. Onda lekar može da kaže: možda je ipak najsigurnije da se ti dobro čuvaš od kovida19, to je najsigurnije, onda nema nikakvih problema.

 

 

Edited November 21, 2021 by stray_cat

[Constantin]

Nase ce senke lutati po Becu,bezati od vakcine,plasiti gospodu normalne ljude 

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[JPM]

78% preležalih da ima srčane probleme?

 

Ne verujem, iskreno.

 

Ja sam ranije čitao da nekih 30% ljudi koji su morali u bolnicu imaju određenih srčanih problema. A to je svakako višestruko manje od 78% preležalih.

 

Pre će biti 7.8%.

Što se tiče trudnica. Sama trudnoća nije preveliki problem ali ako je trudnica zaražena u momentu porođaja, onda je rizik povišen za nevakcinisane.

[Tomiprunet]

30 minutes ago, stray_cat said:

Naravno da je kriva ginekologinja, ništa pogrešno ne bi uradila da je prećutala svoj stav, već samo prenela preporuku/stav svog esnafa, a to je da se preporučuje vakcinacija.

Nikakvo zvanično posebno odobrenje za trudnice nije uvedeno, samo zvanična preporuka ginekologa (ili nekog njihovog društva, organizacije). To što ovi naši neće/nisu hteli da daju vakcinu trudnicama, nego ih teraju da donesu mišljenje svog ginekologa, a ginekolozi se pravili blesavi pa neće da daju preporuku (jer nije dovoljno ispitano, nema dovoljno informacija, aj da ne rizikujemo, sedi ti kući i ne viđaj se ni sa kim dok se ne porodiš to je najsigurnije), dovodi do toga da se trudnice ne vakcinišu ili ne prijavljuju da su trudne (kad dođu na vakcinaciju). 

U kontraindikacijama za vakcinu ne piše trudnoća, uvek piše da direktno nisu ispitivane trudnice.

Nema posebnih negativnih neželjenih dejstava samo zato što je žena trudna. To što ona nosi još jedan život u sebi, pa kao mnogo je "rizičnije", pa svi smo (ili većina) roditelji: tom logikom (nije dovoljno ispitano) svako ko ima decu bi trebalo dobro da razmisli da li da se vakciniše, jer nije dovoljno ispitano (i šta ako mu se nešto desi ako bude bilo nekih neželjenih dejstava vakcine, šta će da bude s njegovom decom ako roditelj ostane kljakav zbog vakcine).

Ili recimo žene koje hoće da imaju još dece (a i muškarci, i oni su (još uvek) bitni za nastanak novog života): kaže im lekar, vakcina se preporučuje, ali moraš dobro da razmisliš jer, znaš, još uvek nije dovoljno ispitano kakve posledice vakcina ostavlja (ne znamo šta će da bude za 3, 4, X godina).

Bukvalno isto može da kaže bilo koji lekar bilo kojoj osobi: odobrena je vakcina, ali ja ne znam da li je ona sigurna, moraš ti sam da odlučiš, jer nemamo dovoljno informacija šta će da bude u budućnosti. Onda lekar može da kaže: možda je ipak najsigurnije da se ti dobro čuvaš od kovida19, to je najsigurnije, onda nema nikakvih problema.

 

 

Ja se ne slazem. 

[Milenko Puzigaca]

Ma sve koji su bilo kakvo medicinsko osoblje a prdeli su protiv vakcina treba nogom u dupe, i zavrsis pos'o. Ima ih onoliko koji bi ih zamenili. E, on zna. Bezi bre. Ili ćuti, ili ako te pitaju kaži jeste, treba se vakcinisati, ili kućica, to je sve. Ti ako si ginekolog u nekoj šklj zemlji nisi i virusolog i mikrobiolog i imunolog i sve. A i ove koji pitaju nekoga da umesto njih odlučuje isto ne razumem. Što ne pitaju zubara onda ili optičara? Što baš ginekologa?

[erwin]

  

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Bitka za život: "Nama ne treba još jedan rat. Svaki dan nam umire 40, 50 ljudi"
Epidemija u Hrvatskoj bukti. Oborili smo rekorde. Prošlotjedni val tek će se u ovom tjednu preliti na bolnice. A stanje je u njima već teško. Liječnici i medicinske sestre su iscrpljeni. Uvjerili smo se u to i sami - ekipa HTV-ove emisije Puls provela je nekoliko sati na COVID odjelu splitske bolnice i svjedočila bitci za svaki život koja se ondje neumorno vodi. Ovo je prava istina o borbi protiv koronavirusa. Upozoravamo da bi vas neke snimke mogle uznemiriti.
- Nisam zabrinut što će biti za tri tjedna. Zabrinut sam što će biti sutra, govori doc. prim. dr. sc. Božidar Duplančić, anesteziolog intenzivist u KBC-u Split.
Vodi nas sa sobom u jutarnju vizitu u jedinicu intenzivnog liječenja COVID pozitivnih bolesnika na Klinici za anesteziologiju, reanimatologiju i intenzivno liječenje. Mnogima od njih život spašavaju respiratori. Radi se o uređaju, objašnjava nam Duplančić, koji je sličan aparatu za anesteziju - sučelje je isto, ali aparat za anesteziju još ima dva dodatka za plinovite anestetike.
- Respirator ne ubija, nego respirator spašava ljude. Respirator nam daje vrijeme potrebno da se pluća oporave, kaže Duplančić.
Jedna te ista ekipa, kaže, ovdje radi više od godinu dana. Liječnika ima dovoljno, no medicinskih sestara trebalo bi biti barem dvostruko više, upozorava.
- Umorna sam, umorni su svi kolege i kolegice. Baš neko jutro sam se pitala - "Bože, hoćemo li mi to sve moći izdržati?", govori nam Jadranka Maras, glavna sestra COVID jedinice intenzivnog liječenja.
- Za sada nekako uspijevamo, ali ako se ovo sve dalje razvuče, ako se ljudi ne cijepe, ako nas ne poslušaju... Mislim da bi ovi kadrovi što ste prošli preko našeg odjela trebali biti i neko upozorenje, dodaje.
- Naravno da nas je strah, kaže glavna sestra Ivanka Ercegović.
Duplančić upozorava kako je COVID-19 najveća ugroza hrvatske države i naroda nakon Domovinskog rata.
- Nama ne treba još jedan rat. Svaki dan nam umire 40, 50 ljudi. Sada domoljublje nije frenetično skakanje na prvi takt Lijepe naše, hvatanje za lijevu stranu prsišta... Sada je domoljublje, u ovom trenutku pogibelji hrvatskog naroda, odgovorno se ponašati, poručuje Duplančić, koji zaključuje - cijepljenje je najpametniji način zaštite od ove bolesti.

https://magazin.hrt.hr/price-iz-hrvatske/puls-bitka-za-zivot-3506995

 

 

[zoe Bg]

2081/9840/59

 

Na respiratoru 218

 

U bolnicama 5891

[fancy]

Sa topika, o Novaku Đ. jedan krajnje autentični uradak, blatantni napad na hirurgiju:

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Ja delim tu njegovu filozofiju, čovek se sam od sebe leči, ako mu date prostora i izbaci loše navike, tu naravno izostavljam hirurgiju, prilikom automobilskih ili ostalih nesreća. Čitao sam dosta o vakcinama i ljudi čija su deca postala preko noći autistična, plus razna druga oboljenja koje su uzrokovale vakcine. Nećete nigde u srpskim novinama naći članak o deci koja su osakaćena od vakcina, jer naravno, o tome i ne sme da se piše.
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Pitanje svih pitanja je - zašto se hirurgija izostavlja, kad su toliki hirurzi osakatili decu i starije (o čemu se, naravno, ne piše)? [emoji848]

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[Dracarys]

16 minutes ago, fancy said:

Sa topika, o Novaku Đ. jedan krajnje autentični uradak, blatantni napad na hirurgiju:
 

 

Pitanje svih pitanja je - zašto se hirurgija izostavlja, kad su toliki hirurzi osakatili decu i starije (o čemu se, naravno, ne piše)?

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Hirurzi ne mogu da osakate, već samo da spašavaju. Hirurg nije supermen da spasi sve, greške se dešavaju, ali čovek nije prisiljen da ide kod hirurga. Čovek je prisiljen da se vakciniše da bi opstao u društvu.

[PorodicneVrijednosti]

Prisiljen da se vakcinise da ne bi ugrozavao kompletno drustvo raznim bolestima koje su kroz historiju odnijele ogroman broj zivota. Zamisli ti te nepravde i fasizma. 

[Dracarys]

I uvek kontrapitanje,

 

Zašto onda ljudi koji prime vakcinu mogu biti oboliti i prenositi? 

 

Odgovor na ovo pitanje bude, da bih imao lakši oblik bolesti.

 

Evo prihvatam da imam teži oblik bolesti i ne želim se vakcinisati, država nema prava da odlučuje šta će raditi sa mojim telom, niti ću ići bolnicu, ako mi se nešto desi, samo privatno, ionako se danas sve živo plaća i nema ništa besplatno. Na to sve, ja moram da potpišem saglasnost da nemam pravo da se žalim ako mi se nešto desi. To je vređanje inteligencije. 

[DJ_Vasa]

11 minutes ago, alpaka Bereta Sida said:

Prisiljen da se vakcinise da ne bi ugrozavao kompletno drustvo raznim bolestima koje su kroz historiju odnijele ogroman broj zivota. Zamisli ti te nepravde i fasizma. 

 

Može čovek da živi i izolovano, npr. kao lovac sakupljač, ali... gricne ga neka živuljka zaražena besnilom i zna se šta se dešava. Bocne ga komarac koji prenosi malariju, pa ni to ne valja. Još ako se nabode/poseče i zaradi tetanus, neće se lepo provesti.

2 minutes ago, Dracarys said:

Na to sve, ja moram da potpišem saglasnost da nemam pravo da se žalim ako mi se nešto desi.

 

Izvini, a gde se to potpisuje?

[urosg3]

Zakazan vanredni roditeljski za utorak, kaže obavezno prisustvo jednog roditelja, na Kosmaju smo, pa nema tračeva a princeza pojma nema zašto. Da nismo propustili nešto ili je lokalni problem kod nas u školi?

[PorodicneVrijednosti]

 

2 minutes ago, Dracarys said:

I uvek kontrapitanje,

 

Zašto onda ljudi koji prime vakcinu mogu biti oboliti i prenositi? 

 

Odgovor na ovo pitanje bude, da bih imao lakši oblik bolesti.

 

Evo prihvatam da imam teži oblik bolesti i ne želim se vakcinisati, država nema prava da odlučuje šta će raditi sa mojim telom, niti ću ići bolnicu, ako mi se nešto desi, samo privatno, ionako se danas sve živo plaća i nema ništa besplatno. Na to sve, ja moram da potpišem saglasnost da nemam pravo da se žalim ako mi se nešto desi. To je vređanje inteligencije. 

 

Izvini ali jesi li ti zavrsio osnovnu skolu? Ako jesi, onda si jos na casovima fizike u sedmom razredu trebao nauciti da ne postoje idealni odnosno 100%-tno ucinkoviti sistemi. Vodeci se takvom logikom, koji ce nam onda klinac airbag u autu ili mnogi od sigurnosnih protokola po ISO26262 ili koji ce nam onda klinac obavezno nosenje kacige na motoru jer jebi ga ni oni ne garantuju 100%-tnu ucinkovitost u slucaju nesrece. 

 

Studije i statistike pokazale da vakcinisani i imaju manju mogucnost zaraze i manju mogucnost prenosa virusa i onda ti lupas takve gluposti. 

[Dracarys]

2 minutes ago, DJ_Vasa said:

 

Izvini, a gde se to potpisuje?

Nisam se vakcinisao, ne znam. Nisam ni znao da su to ukinuli