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Dragi forumaši, molimo vas da u vreme ove krize ostanemo prisebni i racionalni i da pisanjem na ovoj temi ne dođemo u situaciju da naudimo nekome. Stoga:

 

- nemojte davati savete za uzimanje lekova i bilo kakvu terapiju, čak i ako ste zdravstveni radnik - jedini ispravni put za sve one koji eventualno osećaju simptome je da se jave svom lekaru ili na neki od telefonskih brojeva koji su za to predviđeni.

- takođe - ne uzimajte lekove napamet! Ni one proverene, ni one potencijalne - obratite se svom lekaru!

- nemojte prenositi neproverene informacije koje bi mogle nekoga da dovedu u zabludu i eventualno mu načine štetu. Znamo da je u moru informacija po pitanju ove situacije jako teško isfiltrirati one koje su lažne, pogrešne ili zlonamerne, ali potrudite se - radi se o zdravlju svih nas. Pokušajte da informacije sa kojekakvih obskurnih sajtova i sumnjivih izvora ne prenosite. Ili ih prvo proverite pre nego što ih prenesete.

- potrudite se da ne dižete paniku svojim postovima - ostanimo mirni i racionalni.

- aktivno propagiranje naučno neutemeljenih (između ostalih i antivaxxerskih) stavova i pozivanje na nevakcinisanje bazirano na njima nećemo tolerisati.

 

Budimo dostojanstveni u ovoj krizi, ovakve situacije su ogledalo svih nas. 

Hvala na razumevanju.

 

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55 minutes ago, Eddard said:


 

 


Pa i nema.



Oni ne bi to radili i da nije karantin, tako da ti oni nisu grupa prema kojoj ćeš da ocenjuješ valjanost istog.

 

naravno da ne bi, ali su baš pogođeni iako su iz ugla "mera" baš disciplovani. To naravno ne govori o njima ništa nego o delotvornosti mera.

 

p.s. danas sam sa ćerom svrnuo u nabavku kod Linde kad ono Nestorović strpljivo čeka red, "kano klisurine". Iznenadio sam se što ne koristi medijsku slavu da uđe preko reda, a i da ima vremena da čeka ovoliku redčinu.

Zanimljiv čovek, zabavljao je okolinu.

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naravno da ne bi, ali su baš pogođeni iako su iz ugla "mera" baš disciplovani. To naravno ne govori o njima ništa nego o delotvornosti mera.


Ne bih se složio, starački domovi su slaba tačka svakog sistema i u maltene u svakoj zemlji, bez obzira na mere koje se donose. Imaš i u Nemačkoj, gde je zabranjen svaki vid posete, nekoliko domova u koje je ušao virus, naravno preko osoblja. I tu možeš vrlo malo da uradiš da to sprečiš. Bio potpuni karantin ili ne. Jer to osoblje mora i na posao i s posla, i u kupovinu i među svoje porodice. Verovatnoća da negde usput pokupi virus i donese ga u dom je, pa... dovoljna.
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41 minutes ago, Kronostime said:

Ako ti objekat nije vredan gledanja, onda si za sah na Kalemegdanu.

Naravno, kad prodje sve ovo. :s_d:

Virusolog Ana Banko.

Mislim malo je bilo virusologa, sve epidemiolozi i infektolozi, a sve nas je naravno od malih nogu zanimao RNK virusa pa koga interesuje.

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16 minutes ago, Eddard said:


 

 


Ne bih se složio, starački domovi su slaba tačka svakog sistema i u maltene u svakoj zemlji, bez obzira na mere koje se donose. Imaš i u Nemačkoj, gde je zabranjen svaki vid posete, nekoliko domova u koje je ušao virus, naravno preko osoblja. I tu možeš vrlo malo da uradiš da to sprečiš. Bio potpuni karantin ili ne. Jer to osoblje mora i na posao i s posla, i u kupovinu i među svoje porodice. Verovatnoća da negde usput pokupi virus i donese ga u dom je, pa... dovoljna.

 

 

Tako je virus usao u min 56 domova u Kanadi, a ja zivim u zoni gde je neproporcionalno veliki broj medicinskih radnika, 

koji bukvalno opsluzuju Detroit. Mi porodicno poznajemo dosta medicinskih sestara I generalno, 

dugo nije bilo apsolutno nikakvih pravila za njih.

Radili su u po 5-6 centara odjednom, ukljucujuci rad i u Kanadi i u USA.

 

Medicinski radnici u starackim domovima moraju imati mnogo veci stepen licne discipline, a potrebna su I pravila tipa rad samo u jednom centru, sa sto manje 

korisnika doma istovremeno. Verovatno se mogu napraviti I mnogo sofisticiranije mere.

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Predsednik Srbije Aleksandar Vučić izjavio je da je posao vlasti da čuva živote građana i da ne može biti izuzetka oko izlazaka ni za predstojeće uskršnje praznike, zbog čega će zamoliti patrijarha Irineja da službe u nedelju budu održane bez prisustva vernika.

 

ČEKAJ STANI SAD... jel policijski čas za sve ili za vernike religije koja u nedlju ima nešto u crkvi da završi i kako mi/vi  koji bi išli kod Djokoša da završimo nešto isto tako za kandilo što se čadi  da se postavimo ovo ovoga svega?
http://rs.n1info.com/Vesti/a589329/Vucic-Zamolicu-patrijarha-da-sluzbe-budu-bez-vernika-vazno-je-sacuvati-zivote.html?fbclid=IwAR2roC1ydhOWnYHjwmWrsHj5q7pe5XXRnj808Xy1MOKv0DKZ_ClJKqFQFWE

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19 minutes ago, Stoned Laki21 said:

 

ČEKAJ STANI SAD... jel policijski čas za sve ili za vernike religije koja u nedlju ima nešto u crkvi da završi i kako mi/vi  koji bi išli kod Djokoša da završimo nešto isto tako za kandilo što se čadi  da se postavimo ovo ovoga svega?
http://rs.n1info.com/Vesti/a589329/Vucic-Zamolicu-patrijarha-da-sluzbe-budu-bez-vernika-vazno-je-sacuvati-zivote.html?fbclid=IwAR2roC1ydhOWnYHjwmWrsHj5q7pe5XXRnj808Xy1MOKv0DKZ_ClJKqFQFWE

Ti jos rrazis logiku u odlukama AV

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1 hour ago, Kronostime said:

Ako ti objekat nije vredan gledanja, onda si za sah na Kalemegdanu.

Naravno, kad prodje sve ovo. :s_d:

Ja sam sav izopačen, pa ne marim mnogo za niske i zdepaste objekte, nego preferiram visoke, vitke i elegantne :D :D :D


Nego:


https://www.novosti.rs/vesti/srbija.73.html:859525-Pozar-u-magacinu-robnih-rezervi-u-Leskovcu


Ovo su fore od pre sto godina. Kaze "slučajno" se zapalio magacin, pa "izgorela" roba. Ko zna šta je bilo tamo. Možda maske i druga tražena roba. Lole su to.  

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1 hour ago, Plavi Golub said:

Iz sveta. Svaka slicnost sa dogadjajima tu nije namerna 😉

 

”In unprecedented move, Treasury orders Trump’s name printed on stimulus checks President  Trump  during a ceremony to sign the coronavirus stimulus relief package. In an unprecedented move, his name will  printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans.

 

Tesko da ce iko ikada na mjestu predsjednika SAD prevazici bolesni egocentrizam od koga mozemo slobodno reci boluje Donald Tramp. Pored ove farse da se stampa njegovo ime na cekovima za pomoc ugrozenom stanovnistvu, u trenutku kada je u Americi zabiljezena rekordna smrtnost, preko 2500 u jednom danu, on i dalje tvrdi kako ni jedna zemlja na svijetu ne radi bolje na suzbijanju epidemije od SAD, kao i ostali samohvalospjevi, tesko je to sve nabrojati, a za sve probleme okrivljuje isklucivo druge, od Svjetske zdravsrtvene organizacije, pa do Baraka Obame.

Vidim ovde se ljudi zale na Vucica, ali Aco treba jos pure da pojede da prestigne The Donalda.

Inace ove mjere u Srbiji su po mom misljenju klasicni teror drzave.

 

Da ne kritikujem samo druge, ovde kod mene u Ontariju gdje i nije toliko lose, u poredjenju sa Italijom ili Spanijom, ali desava se da ako imas neke siptome, kao sto ima sef od mog sina, temperaturu, kasalj i slicno, znaci nije slucaj iz novina, i covjek je nazvao tamo neki broj za koronu, jer je htio da se testira, odgovorili su mu, nista od testiranja, ti sada trebas da se samoizolujes na 14 dana od svoje porodice, a ako se stanje dovoljno pogorsa, onda da ode u hitnu :classic_ohmy:

Da ne spomenem da i dalje nema maski, rukavica da se kupi. Sreca narod je ipak disciplinovan, u samoposluge se pusta samo odredjen broj ljudi, u cekanju u redovima, drzi se odstojanje, ti prodavci stalno dezinfekuju kolica, korpe, ti ljudi su zaista heroji u ovoj situaciji, koji uglavnom rade za minimalac, a sada su valjda dobili malo vecu satnicu.

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26 minutes ago, Amigo said:

Tesko da ce iko ikada na mjestu predsjednika SAD prevazici bolesni egocentrizam od koga mozemo slobodno reci boluje Donald Tramp.

 

Ja sam se vise zezala da je Donny "prepisivao". Ako ispratis malo unazad videces na slikama da su u Srbiji stigli paketici sa logom. Jbg izborna godina. Sad natrag na ozbiljno, ja cak mislim da su u jednoj stvari u SAD u boljoj situaciji jer je tamo nadleznost za prakticne stvari u rukama guvernera, pa ako imaju relativno sposobnog dobro ce proci. Donny je vise kao stand up komicar u ovoj situaciji.

 

Iako je poredjenje besmisleno mozda bi i u Srbiji bilo bolje da su se i u ovome regionalno organizovali, mada ostaje pitanje kako je koji region kadrovski pokriven.

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26 minutes ago, Milenko Puzigaca said:

Ja sam sav izopačen, pa ne marim mnogo za niske i zdepaste objekte, nego preferiram visoke, vitke i elegantne :D 😄 😄


Nego:


https://www.novosti.rs/vesti/srbija.73.html:859525-Pozar-u-magacinu-robnih-rezervi-u-Leskovcu


Ovo su fore od pre sto godina. Kaze "slučajno" se zapalio magacin, pa "izgorela" roba. Ko zna šta je bilo tamo. Možda maske i druga tražena roba. Lole su to.  

U narodu poznato kao tradicionalno srednjivanje stanja magacina pre popisa.

 

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38 minutes ago, Milenko Puzigaca said:

Ja sam sav izopačen, pa ne marim mnogo za niske i zdepaste objekte, nego preferiram visoke, vitke i elegantne :D 😄 😄


Nego:


https://www.novosti.rs/vesti/srbija.73.html:859525-Pozar-u-magacinu-robnih-rezervi-u-Leskovcu


Ovo su fore od pre sto godina. Kaze "slučajno" se zapalio magacin, pa "izgorela" roba. Ko zna šta je bilo tamo. Možda maske i druga tražena roba. Lole su to.  

Ako je goreo magacin robnih rezervi,mala je sansa da je zbog maski,ima tamo mnogo vrednije robe da "izgori"...🙂

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30 minutes ago, Plavi Golub said:

 

Ja sam se vise zezala da je Donny "prepisivao". Ako ispratis malo unazad videces na slikama da su u Srbiji stigli paketici sa logom. Jbg izborna godina. Sad natrag na ozbiljno, ja cak mislim da su u jednoj stvari u SAD u boljoj situaciji jer je tamo nadleznost za prakticne stvari u rukama guvernera, pa ako imaju relativno sposobnog dobro ce proci. Donny je vise kao stand up komicar u ovoj situaciji.

 

Iako je poredjenje besmisleno mozda bi i u Srbiji bilo bolje da su se i u ovome regionalno organizovali, mada ostaje pitanje kako je koji region kadrovski pokriven.

 

SAD je vrlo decentralizovana, i zbog vise poluga vlasti, i zbog neposrednih izbora na kojima ucestvuju guverneri, tuzioci...i svi moraju sami da dobiju poverenje biraca. Cesto cak ni endorsmenti iz vrha vlasti ne pomazu tamo, ovde je to sve i svja.

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2 hours ago, Plavi Golub said:

Iz sveta. Svaka slicnost sa dogadjajima tu nije namerna 😉

 

 

”In unprecedented move, Treasury orders Trump’s name printed on stimulus checks President  Trump  during a ceremony to sign the coronavirus stimulus relief package. In an unprecedented move, his name will  printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans.

 

(Evan Vucci/AP) By Lisa Rein April 15 at 2:46 AM CET

 

 

The Treasury Department has ordered President Trump’s name be printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans, a process that could slow their delivery by a few days, senior IRS officials said. The unprecedented decision, finalized late Monday, means that when recipients open the $1,200 paper checks the IRS is scheduled to begin sending to 70 million Americans in coming days, “President Donald J. Trump” will appear on the left side of the payment. It will be the first time a president’s name appears on an IRS disbursement, whether a routine refund or one of the handful of checks the government has issued to taxpayers in recent decades either to stimulate a down economy or share the dividends of a strong one. Treasury officials disputed that the checks would be delayed. While some people receiving the checks — the centerpiece of the U.S. government’s economic relief package to stave of the effects of the coronavirus pandemic — may not care, or observe, whose name appears on them, the decision is another sign of Trump’s effort to cast his response to the pandemic in political terms. Trump had privately suggested to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who oversees the IRS, to allow the president to formally sign the checks, according to three administration officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly. During an April 3 coronavirus news conference, President Trump denied reports that he wanted to sign the stimulus checks being sent to millions of Americans. (The Washington Post) [[Sign up for our Coronavirus Updates newsletter to track the outbreak. All stories linked in the newsletter are free to access.]] But the president is not an authorized signer for legal disbursements by the U.S. Treasury. It is standard practice for a civil servant to sign checks issued by the Treasury Department to ensure that government payments are nonpartisan. The checks will instead bear Trump’s name in the memo line, below a line that reads, “Economic Impact Payment,” the administration officials said. [[IRS to begin issuing $1,200 coronavirus payments but some Americans won’t receive check until September]] The IRS will mail the checks to people for whom it does not have banking information. Many of them have low incomes. President Trump claimed on April 13 that he has the final say in reopening states amid the coronavirus pandemic. Some states’ governors disagree. (Blair Guild/The Washington Post) The checks will carry the signature of an official with the Bureau of the Fiscal Service, the Treasury Department division that prints the checks. The checks will follow direct deposits issued in recent days to the bank accounts of about 80 million people. Those payments do not include Trump’s name. The decision to have the paper checks bear Trump’s name, in the works for weeks, according to a Treasury official, was announced early Tuesday to the IRS’s information technology team. The team, working from home, is now racing to implement a programming change that two senior IRS officials said will probably lead to a delay in issuing the first batch of paper checks. They are scheduled to be sent Thursday to the Bureau of the Fiscal Service for printing and issuing. Computer code must be changed to include the president’s name, and the system must be tested, these officials said. “Any last minute request like this will create a downstream snarl that will result in a delay,” said Chad Hooper, a quality-control manager who serves as national president of the IRS’s Professional Managers Association. A Treasury Department representative, however, denied any delay and said the plan all along was to issue the checks next week. “Economic Impact Payment checks are scheduled to go out on time and exactly as planned—there is absolutely no delay whatsoever,” the representative said in a written statement. She said this was a faster process than the stimulus checks the George W. Bush administration issued in 2008 to head off a looming recession. “In fact, we expect the first checks to be in the mail early next week which is well in advance of when the first checks went out in 2008 and well in advance of initial estimates,” the statement said. An IRS representative referred questions to the Treasury Department. The paper checks are scheduled to be issued at a rate of 5 million each week until September, starting with the lowest-income taxpayers. The $2 trillion stimulus, the government’s largest and most recent coronavirus rescue package, was passed by a bipartisan Congress and signed by the president. The checks to individual taxpayers were not originally Trump’s idea, but he embraced them after Sens. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Mitt Romney (R-Utah) proposed them. [[The stimulus checks are arriving. People are mostly spending them on food.]] The White House had initially floated a payroll tax cut as a centerpiece of its stimulus effort but backed off that plan amid concerns it would not reach American households quickly enough. Trump has repeatedly called the legislation “a Trump administration initiative” and placed himself singularly at the center of what the government is doing to help Americans during the coronavirus response — taking full credit. About six months before he faces reelection, with his campaign on pause because the virus has prevented him from holding the rallies that are popular with his base, the checks provide Trump with a new form of retail politics. A check provides a touchable, bread-and-butter symbol to taxpayers right in their mailboxes. But to critics and some IRS employees, many of whom started to learn of the decision on Tuesday, the presence of Trump’s name on the checks reeks of partisanship in a corner of the government that touches all Americans and has, since the Nixon era, steadfastly steered clear of politics. After President Richard Nixon targeted a wide range of “enemy” groups for tax audits, including civil rights groups, reporters and prominent Democrats, Congress enacted laws to ensure that the agency conducts itself apolitically. “Taxes are supposed to be nonpolitical, and it’s that simple,” said Nina Olson, who stepped down last fall after an 18-year tenure as the National Taxpayer Advocate, leading an arm of the IRS that helps individual taxpayers resolve tax problems, manages clinics for low-income taxpayers and advises the agency on service issues. “It’s absolutely unprecedented,” Olson said. She recalled that when the Bush administration delivered economic rebate checks of $300 to $600 to taxpayers in 2001 to share the benefits of a strong economy, the White House asked the IRS to include in a letter to taxpayers a sentence that took credit for “giving you your money back.” The IRS commissioner at the time refused, Olson recalled, because the move was perceived as too political. When the Bush administration launched its $168 billion economic stimulus package in 2008, the checks were signed by a treasury official. Only the IRS commissioner and general counsel are politically appointed. The current, Trump-appointed commissioner, Charles Rettig, a tax attorney confirmed by the Senate in 2018, was appointed to a five-year term designed to carry over into a possible new administration. Hooper, the president of the Professional Managers Association, said he was appalled by what he called “an abuse of government resources.” “In this time of need for additional resources,” Hooper said, “anything that takes our focus from getting those checks out the door and hampers the equitable, fair administration of the tax code is not something we can support.” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has dismissed suggestions about Trump signing checks or having his name attached. Last week she said the payments should go out as quickly as possible without “waiting for a fancy-Dan letter from the president.” About 150 million Americans and others are expected to receive the one-time payment. The first wave of recipients includes mainly people who filed a 2018 or 2019 tax return and gave the IRS their direct deposit information. Under the stimulus plan, single filers earning up to $75,000 a year receive a payment of $1,200. Married couples earning up to $150,000 a year receive a payment of $2,400. Parents receive an additional $500 for each child under 17. Erica Werner contributed to this report.”

 

Izvor: Washington Post

 

Razmislite ko sada lupa glavom u zid i plače što se toga nije setio prvi.

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