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2 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Bold je bio u citatu. Potpuno si u pravu, pa dosla sam iz Srbije, koje vece selo u odnosu ns US mozes da nadjes :classic_smile:

 

Pogresno si razumeo. Ima u US onih koji ne rade jer ne mogu, ali ja nisam o tome pricala, AOC je htela da uvede placanje za one koji ne zele da rade. To su lencuge o kojima pricam.

BTW ni fraud u tim social benefits nije nimalo nepoznata, isplate za nezaposlenost onima koji ne treba da ih dobiju su u bilionima.

 

U toj tvojoj USA ima takvih predela i zabiti da svako selo na Tari izgleda kao metropola.... 

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Reci mi kako se to meri da li neko ne može da radi ili je samo lenčuga? Kako to država određuje?

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Pogresno si razumeo. Ima u US onih koji ne rade jer ne mogu, ali ja nisam o tome pricala, AOC je htela da uvede placanje za one koji ne zele da rade. To su lencuge o kojima pricam.
BTW ni fraud u tim social benefits nije nimalo nepoznata, isplate za nezaposlenost onima koji ne treba da ih dobiju su u bilionima.


Ja ne znam, ti izgleda voliš da koristiš te jake izraze “lenčuge”, to, “oni koji ne žele da rade” a sve bez ijednog podatka. Kao i za onaj citat koji si rekla da je nebitno odakle je uzet.
Radi se o tome da u svakoj državi postoje ljudi koji traže rupe u zakonu. Veća država, više prevaranata. Pogotovo ako je sistem visoko koruptivan. Cenim da U.S ne spada u te države ali ako ti sama kažeš da se radi o bilionima onda to nije problem tih koji potražuju sredstva nego službenika koji se bave njihovom slučajevima. I opet je i to diskutabilno na osnovu koji kriterijuma si ti tih koliko već biliona odredila da su namenjeni “lenčugama”? Da li je moguće da je to prošlo ispod radara socijalnih službi a tebi koja si relativno nova u U.S nije?
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14 hours ago, Plavi Golub said:

 

Pa dovoljno mi je ovo sto je mrd dao da steknem neku rough sliku. U principu znam kako oporezuju manje vise svuda, a matematika mi je, recimo, OK. Ono sto me u stvari zanimalo kako je suma ukupnog prikupljenog poreza distribuirana unutar razlicitih nivoa bruto zarade, jer mislim da se trenutna sr**** desavaju zbog prevelikog poreza navaljenog srednjoj klasi. Verovatno bi bilo podosta toga da se prica i o nacinu trosenja istog, ali to je vec stvar na nivou konsenzusa u jednom drustvu.

Oporezivanje srednje klase i jeste cista matematika, posto u zemljama sa razvijenom ekonomijom  oni cine vecinu. Ako vec nemas VAT koji placaju svi isto, a pobornici radnickih prava to gube iz vida, onda je nacin da napunis budzet oporezivanje najbrojnije grupe koja ima novac. Od sirotinje ne mozes da uzmes, a ni od cuvenih 1%  jer oni lako novac prebace preko granice. 

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3 hours ago, Jonnhy Clash said:

Više volim sa tobom da ćaskam. 🙂 Naporno mi je da se obraćam zvaničnim institucijama USA a i moguće je da mi neće blagovremeno odgovoriti.

Nemoras da se obracas njima, dovoljno je da potrazis na netu:

It may be considered fraud if a person makes a false statement on an application or does not tell SSA of certain facts that may affect benefits.

For example:

  • A person fails to report that they are working or have returned to work.
  • A person fails to report they are in jail.
  •  A person fails to notify SSA of the death of a beneficiary and continues to receive and cash the checks of the deceased person.

 

When people apply for Social Security Benefits, they state that all information they provide on the forms are true and correct to the best of their knowledge. If a person reports something they know is not true, it may be a crime.

For example:

  • An individual indicates on their application that they are not married when in fact they are married or living as such.
  • An applicant claims to be blind and unable to drive a motor vehicle when in fact the individual possesses a valid driver’s license and is observed driving.
  • A person indicates they do not have any income, when in fact they make money from an outside source such as rental income or an insurance policy.
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Malo jutros dok sam isao na posao u kolima okrenem na CNN, reko da vidim sta se tu prica. Ja inace najvise slusam vesti dok se vozim negde, a kuci zna se, sto manje engleskog :classic_biggrin:

Pustim sebi CNN, svaka 2-3 meseca, kad ono opet isto, Rusi i Tramp, koje je to vise ispiranje mozga :krstipd4:

Isto tako prosle godine na Kubi, tamo ima kablovska sa programima iz celog sveta, svaki put kad bih prebacio na CNN, Rusi-Tramp, tako da bih saznao sta se desava u svetu, morao sam da gledam kineske vesti na engleskom. Ljudi izvestavaju normalno, poplave, pozari, srusio se negde avion, ozenio se princ Hari itd itd.

Gledati CNN je cisti  mazohizam.:smiley5:

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57 minutes ago, melankolic said:

 


Ja ne znam, ti izgleda voliš da koristiš te jake izraze “lenčuge”, to, “oni koji ne žele da rade” a sve bez ijednog podatka....

 Da li je moguće da je to prošlo ispod radara socijalnih službi a tebi koja si relativno nova u U.S nije?

 

Kakav si podatak hteo osim da je AOC htela garantovanu zaradu za one koji ne zele da rade? A sta je taj neko ko ne zeli da radi nego lencuga?

Naravno da nije proslo ispod radara, to o bilionima je procena SSA, ne moja. 

 

The SSA ranks third among government agencies when it comes to improper payments, including fraud. The total of estimated improper SSA payments in 2015 was $7.64 billion. Retirement, survivors and disability insurance made up most of that amount, while supplemental security income accounted for the rest.

 

A evo necija analiza, nije moja:

The SSDI program is a microcosm of what ills the job market in America. When our president took office 40% of the population received some sort of government assistance. That number now stands at over 55%. There is an alphabet soup of welfare programs that create disincentive to seek gainful employment. Zerohedge.com published an excellent chart demonstrating when you add in all the free government goodies that a single mother with one child with gross income of $29,000 receives, that she effectively ends up with $57,327 in net income and benefits. She is better off than the mom with gross income of $69,000 who after taxes has a net income and benefits of $57,045. Some of the giveaways include SNAP Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program formerly known as Food Stamps. If boredom sets in, look up CHIP or TANF. There is also Medicaid and the Housing Choice Voucher Program.  Have a look for yourself.  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-27/when-work-punished-tragedy-americas-welfare-state Zerohedge.com published another chart on 11/22/12 demonstrating that a single parent family of three earning minimum wage ($14,500) per year has more disposable income than the family making $60,000 per year. 

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19 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Nemoras da se obracas njima, dovoljno je da potrazis na netu:

It may be considered fraud if a person makes a false statement on an application or does not tell SSA of certain facts that may affect benefits.

For example:

  • A person fails to report that they are working or have returned to work.
  • A person fails to report they are in jail.
  •  A person fails to notify SSA of the death of a beneficiary and continues to receive and cash the checks of the deceased person.

 

When people apply for Social Security Benefits, they state that all information they provide on the forms are true and correct to the best of their knowledge. If a person reports something they know is not true, it may be a crime.

For example:

  • An individual indicates on their application that they are not married when in fact they are married or living as such.
  • An applicant claims to be blind and unable to drive a motor vehicle when in fact the individual possesses a valid driver’s license and is observed driving.
  • A person indicates they do not have any income, when in fact they make money from an outside source such as rental income or an insurance policy.

Ne mogu bas te detalje da citam jer nisam toliko zainteresovan za USA politiku. Cak sam ja na ovim izborima svim svojim bicem bio za Trampa a protiv Hilari Klinton. Ali sad kada se kod demokrata pojavila jedna kandidatkinja socijalisticke orijentacije, miroljubiva, okrenuta ljudskim pravima i socijalnoj pravdi moje simpatije idu na njenu stranu. Videcemo. Sto vece razlike u drustvu veca sansa za AOC. Ne mogu samo lepo da zive kapitalisti i menadzeri kompanija. A radnici da zivotare. Kada AOC zakuca na vrata bele kuce onda ce svi ovi ususkani u svojim poslovima, visokim platama morati da se zamisle. Sistem zasnovan na profitu postaje neodrziv. Zagadjenost, sve vece socijalne razlike, drustvene tenzije. Sve ce to da dovede AOC na vlast. Zivi bili, videli. 

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Just now, Jonnhy Clash said:

Ne mogu bas te detalje da citam jer nisam toliko zainteresovan za USA politiku. 

:classic_biggrin: Elegantno, nisam ja odavle...da te ne zbunjujem cinjenicama. Lakse je imati misljenje, bez informacija.

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Od svih zemalja sa socijalnim razlikama, ispravljanje istih u SAD je omiljen srBski sport. Bez sumnje sve je to iskrena briga za radnickom klasom u Chemerici i nema nikakve veze sa guzenjem na Kosmetu, a jos povrh svega Trump izneverio ocekivanja.ROFLMAO emoticon (Laughing Emoticons)

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35 minutes ago, Bilo je to vrijeme ruza said:

Malo jutros dok sam isao na posao u kolima okrenem na CNN, reko da vidim sta se tu prica. Ja inace najvise slusam vesti dok se vozim negde, a kuci zna se, sto manje engleskog :classic_biggrin:

Pustim sebi CNN, svaka 2-3 meseca, kad ono opet isto, Rusi i Tramp, koje je to vise ispiranje mozga :krstipd4:

Isto tako prosle godine goricu i Dragana na Kubi, tamo ima kablovska sa programima iz celog sveta, svaki put kad bih prebacio na CNN, Rusi-Tramp, tako da bih saznao sta se desava u svetu, morao sam da gledam kineske vesti na engleskom. Ljudi izvestavaju normalno, poplave, pozari, srusio se negde avion, ozenio se princ Hari itd itd.

Gledati CNN je cisti  mazohizam.:smiley5:

Mozes da slusas Goricu i Dragana na Radio S2 sabajle -ima net aplikacija.  :s_d:

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The new tariff plan is pretty simple. Starting on June 10, all goods shipped from Mexico to the United States will face an extra 5 percent tax. On July 1, that tax goes up to 10 percent. On August 1, it goes up to 15 percent. On September 1, it goes up to 20 percent. And on October 1, it goes up to 25 percent.

This is a tax on all exports from Mexico to the United States, with no cutesy games or exemptions.

It should, in the first instance, raise the price in the United States of Mexican-made goods. Public discussion of US-Mexico trade often picks avocados as an emblem of NAFTA-related shifts in trade patterns, but in reality they represent less than 1 percent of US imports from Mexico. The lion’s share of US-Mexico trade consists of cars, trucks, and various forms of automobile parts. In some instances, tariffs should increase the competitiveness of American car manufacturing. But in other instances, American factories are depending on supply chains that are partially located in Mexico, and the tariffs will actually hurt made-in-America cars and aid imports from Asia and Europe.

That said, the US and Mexico both have currencies that float freely on international financial markets, and one immediate consequence of the tariff announcement was a rapid fall in the value of the Mexican peso. This will partially offset the increased prices to American consumers, but will also make US exports less affordable to Mexican consumers — meaning that American exporters of goods to Mexico (advanced machinery is the biggest category here) will pay a healthy share of the price for the new policy.

Mulvaney was, however, at pains to say that he is not actually eager to see 25 percent tariffs imposed on Mexican imports.

“We sincerely hope it does not come to that,” he said. “We actually have some level of confidence that the Mexican government will be able to help us.”

Trump, by contrast, often seems to see tariffs as a virtuous end in and of themselves, so assessing whether or not Mexico is doing enough to merit suspending or removing the tariffs may turn out to be controversial.

What Trump wants from Mexico

McAleenan described three major asks that the United States would like to make of Mexico:

  • He wants to see more vigorous Mexican efforts to secure the border between Guatemala and the Mexican state of Chiapas. “They need to step up their efforts on the border,” he said, alluding to the fact that this is a much shorter border than the US-Mexico one and that he believes Mexican authorities should have the ability to stop people from crossing in the first place.
  • Second, he’s calling for a massive crackdown on the organizations that help migrants travel through Mexico to the United States. He characterized these groups as “transnational criminal organizations” and says “we need Mexico to crack down on these operations,” many of which he says are operating fairly openly, with some involving commercial bus lines.
  • Last and potentially most significantly, he says “we want to align with Mexico on asylum” and “we need to be able to protect people in the first safe area they arrive at.” This appears to signal a desire to move beyond the current Remain In Mexico policy initiative and get Mexico to sign what’s known as a “safe third country” agreement. Such an agreement would stipulate that Mexico is a safe place for people fleeing Central America, and thus that Central Americans arriving at the US-Mexico border are not entitled to asylum hearings.

Mexico has sporadically done the first and second of these things at various times, but has always been deeply reluctant to do the third. Mexico is, among other things, not necessarily a very safe place for Central American asylum seekers to be.

Under questioning, however, Mulvaney would not lay out specific success criteria that he wants to see Mexico meet. Instead, he said simply that “we’re going to handle this on an ad hoc basis.” That means Trump could do anything from raise the ratchet all the way up to 25 percent to pressure Mexico to sign a safe third country agreement to backing down after Mexico does a showy short-term surge of border enforcement.

The important thing, according to both Mulvaney and McAleenan, is that they want to see change fast.

“We are going to judge success here by the number of people crossing the border,” Mulvaney said. “And that number of people needs to start coming down immediately in a significant and substantial way.”

Da vidimo kako ce sad da se trguje.

Meni bitno da ne oporezuje cigare i scotch vise, za guacamole cu sam da se snadjum. :P

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43 minutes ago, Atreid said:

 

Politicki aktivista?

 

:smiley58:

Dobro si me podsetio na tu kategoriju lezilebovica.

 

11 minutes ago, mrd said:

 

Da vidimo kako ce sad da se trguje.

Meni bitno da ne oporezuje cigare i scotch vise, za guacamole cu sam da se snadjum. 😛

Citam tako polako i pitam se sta Tramp hoce... i onda naidjem na objasnjenje :lol_2:

Nije uopste stidljiv.

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1 minute ago, Angelia said:

Dobro si me podsetio na tu kategoriju lezilebovica.

 

Citam tako polako i pitam se sta Tramp hoce... i onda naidjem na objasnjenje :lol_2:

Nije uopste stidljiv.

:lol_2:

Sto je najgore, cini mi se da ce i da postigne. Mexico ce na kraju morati da reaguje, ako nece da ima gubitke, GM ce morati da otvori proizvodnju u US, DT ce ponovo biti izabran, posto je ispostovao glavnu tezu da ce da vrati poslove u zemlju. 

Na stranu sta bilo ko misli o DT.

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Ishod 2020te ce u mnogome zavisiti od donje tabele, jer ako krene da pada prema 20K, odose 401K profiti dobrog dela onih koji su glasali za njega. Druga nepoznanica su upravo tarife koje uvodi. Tu vreme polako istice, jer ce Walmart glasac poceti da oseca udar po dzepu.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ishod 2020te ce u mnogome zavisiti od donje tabele, jer ako krene da pada prema 20K, odose 401K profiti dobrog dela onih koji su glasali za njega. Druga nepoznanica su upravo tarife koje uvodi. Tu vreme polako istice, jer ce Walmart glasac poceti da oseca udar po dzepu.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Hm, Costco je takođe digao cene. Može da bude gadno.
Pogotovo, ako ovo sa Mexicom oda na 20%, kako je rekao.

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On 5/30/2019 at 7:24 PM, Angelia said:

Mrd je u pravu, diskutovanje o specificnim stvarima za US na temi na kojoj ljudi pisu iako ne znaju nista o US, je besmisleno.

 

Da, US je jedna sicusna zabit i ljudi uglavnom nemaju pojma o njoj nista, pa je stvarno bezveze diskutovati. Mogli bi katanac na temu. 

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@mrdPa tu i lezi zec. Dobar deo onih koji se odusevljavaju tarifama nema pojma da ce te tarife placati oni a ne Kinezi ili Meksikanci. :s_d:

Te tarife  pocinju dosta opasno da zuljaju GOP kandidate koji idu na reizbor.

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6 minutes ago, Baby said:

 

Da, US je jedna sicusna zabit i ljudi uglavnom nemaju pojma o njoj nista, pa je stvarno bezveze diskutovati. Mogli bi katanac na temu. 

Nazalost Baby, vecina ljudi, koji nisu imali iskustvo u US, gaji gomilu pa nazovi to predrasuda, porede US sa evropskim zemljama, vide nesto na TVu, ocekuju slican odnos prema politici, pa kad skontaju da dosta amerikanaca i ne zna ko im je predsednik, smatraju da su oni glupi, a ne kontaju da tim ljudima uopste nije bitno ko je predsednik...itd.

 

Samo sam rekla da neke specificnosti koje nisu poznate onima koji nisu bili u US, nema smisla diskutovati.

 

Aj sad ti kreni i objasni IRS prosecnom stanovniku u SR, kazi mi gde da pocnem. Ja se secam svog prvog puta u US, i upozorenja prijatelja da je sve veliko, vece nego sto sam videla u evropi. I secam se svoje samouverenosti da je to nista.

 

I secam se moje reakcije na Great Planes :classic_smile: Oh shit!

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22 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Nazalost Baby, vecina ljudi, koji nisu imali iskustvo u US, gaji gomilu pa nazovi to predrasuda, porede US sa evropskim zemljama, vide nesto na TVu, ocekuju slican odnos prema politici, pa kad skontaju da dosta amerikanaca i ne zna ko im je predsednik, smatraju da su oni glupi, a ne kontaju da tim ljudima uopste nije bitno ko je predsednik...itd.

 

Samo sam rekla da neke specificnosti koje nisu poznate onima koji nisu bili u US, nema smisla diskutovati.

 

Aj sad ti kreni i objasni IRS prosecnom stanovniku u SR, kazi mi gde da pocnem. Ja se secam svog prvog puta u US, i upozorenja prijatelja da je sve veliko, vece nego sto sam videla u evropi. I secam se svoje samouverenosti da je to nista.

 

I secam se moje reakcije na Great Planes :classic_smile: Oh shit!

 

IRS ne mozes da objasnis ni prosecnom Amerikancu, zato i imaju svoje racunovodje da se ne bi zamarali sa nepotrebnim stvarima. 

 

Politika u US utice na celokupnu svetsku politiku i naravno da se ljudi interesuju sta se desava, ne vidim tu nista cudno niti neobicno. Neobicnije bi mi bilo da se neko bavi politikom Gvineje ili Gane. 

 

Drugo, sto se tice Tampa, pa Amerika je podeljena oko njega, ne vidim nista cudno niti neobicno da su i ljudi van Amerike podeljeni u misljenju. Tvrditi da je on dobar ili los, pa onda zauzeti nadobudni stav "valjda ja znam bolje" je bezvezno a i bezvredno, onda stvarno tema moze pod katanac. Znati bolje od koga tacno? Onog sto je van Amerike ili onog Amerikanca koji ima drugaricji stav? 

Amerikanci danas znaju ko im je predsednik, neces naici ni na jednog da to ne zna. Amerika je Trampom otvorila vrata cirkusa i svi jure da vide brkatu devojku i leteceg slona. 

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IRS ne mozes da objasnis ni prosecnom Amerikancu, zato i imaju svoje racunovodje da se ne bi zamarali sa nepotrebnim stvarima. 
 
Politika u US utice na celokupnu svetsku politiku i naravno da se ljudi interesuju sta se desava, ne vidim tu nista cudno niti neobicno. Neobicnije bi mi bilo da se neko bavi politikom Gvineje ili Gane. 
 
Drugo, sto se tice Tampa, pa Amerika je podeljena oko njega, ne vidim nista cudno niti neobicno da su i ljudi van Amerike podeljeni u misljenju. Tvrditi da je on dobar ili los, pa onda zauzeti nadobudni stav "valjda ja znam bolje" je bezvezno a i bezvredno, onda stvarno tema moze pod katanac. Znati bolje od koga tacno? Onog sto je van Amerike ili onog Amerikanca koji ima drugaricji stav? 
Amerikanci danas znaju ko im je predsednik, neces naici ni na jednog da to ne zna. Amerika je Trampom otvorila vrata cirkusa i svi jure da vide brkatu devojku i leteceg slona. 
Poenta je da de DT drugačiji od svih pre i sada i da on nudi razumljivo rešenje. Svi ostali pričaju bajke i lepe stvari, a narodu je jasno da to nije tačno. Imali smo debatu o ilegalnim imigrantima ranije. Narod neće to ilegalnoe hoće zakon i jasno im je da ilegalaca ne bilo da i im neko ne daje posao. Ilegalci su im razlog pada cene rada sto je tačno. Međutim jedino DT tu maherski koketira tezom da će im sprečiti ulazak. Hoće li to za njegovu priču nije ni bitno. Napravio je atmosferu progonjenog i progonitelji su gotovi.
Mi ovde možemo u mentalnu gimnastiku, ali dok prfesionalni pilitičari farbaju zid u belo Uroš piše:"Džaba ste krečili!"
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