melankolic Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Nisam rekla vaspitavati rekla sam obrazovati, ja mislim da su to sve generalno fino vaspitani ljudi, samo neobrazovani. Njihova stvar je sta ce da veruju, sve dok ta verovanja ne pokusavaju da nametnu drugima Kako to, ne postoji plan i program nego se postupa po slobodnoj volji đaka odnosno roditelja? To prvi put čujem da u jednoj zemlji ne postoji obrazovni program. (Qoute mi pojeo deo tvog posta na koji se odnosi ovo što sam napisao) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinik Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, melankolic said: ... ne postoji plan i program nego se postupa po slobodnoj volji đaka odnosno roditelja? Strasno! ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melankolic Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Strasno! ... Nije strašno nego čudno da se onda (ako je tačno ono što angelia tvrdi da ne postoji obrazovni plan i program) takvi upisuju na najprestižnije svetske (USA) univerzitete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, melankolic said: Kako to, ne postoji plan i program nego se postupa po slobodnoj volji đaka odnosno roditelja? To prvi put čujem da u jednoj zemlji ne postoji obrazovni program. (Qoute mi pojeo deo tvog posta na koji se odnosi ovo što sam napisao) Totalno si me izgubio..... opet ti u jednoj zemlji On Wednesday, the Texas State Board of Education signed off on a preliminary version of the state’s pared-down biology curriculum and voted to keep language that challenges the theory of evolution. Over the last few decades, the topic of teaching evolution has caused plenty of controversy across the states. Here are some of the ways states have dealt with the issue of how to teach evolution -- or whether to teach it at all. Alabama: In 1995 Alabama’s Board of Education voted to place stickers on public school biology books that said evolution is a “controversial theory” and “any statement about life’s origins should be considered as theory, not fact.” Though it has been updated throughout the years, the disclaimer has been used with Alabama textbooks for the last two decades. Florida: In 2008, Florida’s Board of Education required that evolution be taught in public schools for the first time ever. Georgia: In 2002, the Cobb County school board placed stickers on biology books that said “evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things.” They removed the stickers in 2005 after a federal judge ruled it unconstitutional. Louisiana: A 2008 law allowed public school teachers to provide supplemental educational materials to help students understand evolution. A 2014 lawsuit said one school district promoted religion and taught creationism. Tennessee: A 2012 law said, “the teaching of some scientific subjects, including, but not limited to, biological evolution, the chemical origins of life, global warming, and human cloning, can cause controversy” and that teachers must help students understand, analyze, critique and review the theory of evolution. Wisconsin: The state requires public schools to teach evolution, but school districts may determine the specifics of their science curriculum. Next Generation Science Standards are used as a means of teaching evolution in public schools. Twenty-six states have adopted this common set of guidelines: Arizona, Arkansas, California, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Vermont, Washington and West Virginia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melankolic Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Totalno si me izgubio..... opet ti u jednoj zemlji On Wednesday, the Texas State Board of Education signed off on a preliminary version of the state’s pared-down biology curriculum and voted to keep language that challenges the theory of evolution. Over the last few decades, the topic of teaching evolution has caused plenty of controversy across the states. Here are some of the ways states have dealt with the issue of how to teach evolution -- or whether to teach it at all. Alabama: In 1995 Alabama’s Board of Education voted to place stickers on public school biology books that said evolution is a “controversial theory” and “any statement about life’s origins should be considered as theory, not fact.” Though it has been updated throughout the years, the disclaimer has been used with Alabama textbooks for the last two decades. Florida: In 2008, Florida’s Board of Education required that evolution be taught in public schools for the first time ever. Georgia: In 2002, the Cobb County school board placed stickers on biology books that said “evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things.” They removed the stickers in 2005 after a federal judge ruled it unconstitutional. Louisiana: A 2008 law allowed public school teachers to provide supplemental educational materials to help students understand evolution. A 2014 lawsuit said one school district promoted religion and taught creationism. Tennessee: A 2012 law said, “the teaching of some scientific subjects, including, but not limited to, biological evolution, the chemical origins of life, global warming, and human cloning, can cause controversy” and that teachers must help students understand, analyze, critique and review the theory of evolution. Wisconsin: The state requires public schools to teach evolution, but school districts may determine the specifics of their science curriculum. Next Generation Science Standards are used as a means of teaching evolution in public schools. Twenty-six states have adopted this common set of guidelines: Arizona, Arkansas, California, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Vermont, Washington and West Virginia. Napredno, nema šta. Srpski Bogoslovski fakultet je za njihove škole Sorbona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, melankolic said: Napredno, nema šta. Srpski Bogoslovski fakultet je za njihove škole Sorbona. Sloboda religije Naravno da postoji plan i program, samo je on po pitanju kontraverznih pitanja koja se doticu religije, malo prilagodjen. Edit: postoje planovi, zavisno od drzave, a nekad i skolskog okruga Edited August 16, 2019 by Angelia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinik Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, melankolic said: ... napredno, nema šta. ... Srpski Bogoslovski fakultet je za njihove škole Sorbona ... Steta sto nisi zavrsio srpsku Sorbonu. Ne bi u norge imao probleme sa diplomom - imao bi obezbedjenu parohiju, besplatan stan, platicu za tebe i dodatak za popaduju. Slobodno bi mogao da se posvetis lecenju dusa, a ne da te norge zakoni mrcvare. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoran59 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Malo bih, kao relativno mator covek, skrenuo i udaljio se se od dnevne politike. Pokusacu da objasnim zasto je ovde lepo, uprkos Trumpu, rasizmu, kriminalu i svemu negativnom kojega nesumnjivo ima. Nisam ni odusljevnen americkom spoljasnom politikom - koju, kao platisa poreza, finansiram - al' jebiga. Nije me bas odusevljavala ni politika SFRJ, gde sam odrastao. Jesam filantrop, brine me politika, klimatske promene, razne nepravde, nesrece i njihove zrtve, svasta - ali, priznajem, ipak me na prvom mestu brine sopstveno dupe. Ogromna razlika izmedju zivota ovde i na Balkanu je sto mogu da brinem za svoje dupe bez da izneverim svoje ideoloske principe. Niko me nikada nije pitao za pripadnost partiji (nisam ni u kojoj), za ideologiju i teoriju. Jesam o tome pricao sa prijateljima, u slobodno vreme, ali mi to nije uticalo na posao ili zaradu. Radio sam u bolnici koje je vlasnik neka hriscanska organizacija, cak se se i zove Christus Spohn Health System. A jebiga, sefica smene je bila neka Muslimanka i nikada joj nisam video kosu - nosila je neku onu maramu oko glave, ne znam kako se zove. Bila je super sposobna, hebes veru. Samo efikasnost se racuna. Prvo sam dosao na Aljasku. U vreme kad su su svi dolazili od kojekuda, bio prihvacen, ostao 11 godina. Onda otisao u Kansas, u rupetinu, jer im je neko mojeg znanja trebao a niko drugi nije hteo da tamo ide. OK plata i uslovi za napredovanje. Politike nigde, sem u slobodno vreme i kod kuce. Odatle, dobio neke nagrade i priznanja na simpozijumima, otisao u Texas. Mogao sam da biram. A izabrao zato sto je bolnica u kojoj sam radio imala nenadmasan program - obdaniste i vrtic za decu zaposlenih, 24/7/365. Pre dve godine me je rasturio hurricane Harvey (uragan). Lose, naravno, ali me je oslobodio "sidra". Tako sam prosle godine preselio u Alabamu. Imam ovde nesto familije, zgodno je. Uz to, penzionisao sam se a ovde je jeftinije nego negde na severoistoku ili na zapadnoj obali. Primitivizma i rasizma sigurno ima, vise nego negde u npr. Oregonu, ali ga licno nisam primetio. Samo na vestima. Komsije su nenadjebivi. Uselim, a komsinica drugi dan dodje sa kolacem i kaze "dobrodosao u komsiluk" bez da me pita za nacionalnost ili politicku partiju. Poredjujem to sa Yu (ex-Yu). Odrastao u Zagrebu. Komsinica me je volela i mazila od malena. A onda me je '90-ih pitala hocu li se razvesti, znajuci da sem ozenjen Srpkinjom! Hvala na pitanju, u braku sam 35+ godina, ne pada mi na pamet. Drustven sam covek, imam srecu da lako stvaram poznanstva i prijateljstva. Druzim se i sa Crncima i Albancima i juznjacima i severnjacima i Kanadjanima i Francuzima. Sa sahistima, pricam o sahu a sa motoristima o motorima. Ne zajebavamo se religijama i nacionalnostima. I zato je ovo najbolje mesto na svetu. Ko zna za bolje - samo napred, uzivajte. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddard Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 On 8/15/2019 at 8:49 PM, GlennGould said: Zato Pa to na kraju ipak proizvede ovo: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinik Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 ... Sumnjam da se sjajni rezultati Estonije sa 1,5 mil. stanovnika ili Singapura sa 5.5 miliona - mogu na bilo koji nacin porediti sa rezultatima USofA sa preko 320 mil. stanovnika. Pretpostavljam da prema rezultatima testa u USofA ima vise onih koji su bili sjajni nego ukupno stanovnika u Estoniji i Singapuru. A nisu svi ucestvovali na testu. Evo, pogledao sam: >> ... About 56.6 million students will attend elementary, middle, and high schools across the United States (source). ... << ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Bane Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Ajde ti, sto su na vrhu liste "inteligentnih" - neka izume nesto : teleportaciju, svemirske brodove na fuzioni pogon ( da se do Marsa stize za 2 nedelje) i sl.?!?!?!?! Ako su vec toliko inteligentni! Nego se opet "ceka" na USA da se prvo tamo stvori nesto sto ce odvesti covecanstvo korak napred! Rusi pokusali sa raketom na nuklearni motor (ne pogon - vec nuklearni motor!) - a to bi zaista bilo revolucionarno za kosmonautiku - ali im raketa eksplodirala - za sada neuspesno! Takvih i sl anketa i assessments ima "mali million" sirom sveta , kao i matematickih i drugih olimpijada - to nista ne dokazuje! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJORDJE Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 6 hours ago, zoran59 said: Tako sam prosle godine preselio u Alabamu. Imam ovde nesto familije, zgodno je. Uz to, penzionisao sam se a ovde je jeftinije nego negde na severoistoku ili na zapadnoj obali. Primitivizma i rasizma sigurno ima, vise nego negde u npr. Oregonu, ali ga licno nisam primetio. Sudeci po FBI statistici, tri puta su vece sanse da budes zrtva hate crime u Oregonu nego u Alabami. Tradicionalni Jug nije ono sto je bio pre 60 godina, a vecina " white supremacist groups" je danas bazirana na severozapadu. U drzavama kao sto su Montana. J. Dakota, Ajdaho, vrlo ces retko naici na mesovite parove. 3 hours ago, Eddard said: Pa to na kraju ipak proizvede ovo: Oko toga da je srednjoskolsko obrazovanje losije nego u mnogim zemljama, postoji manje vise konsenzus u SAD, a kriticari bi rekli da je razlog upravo to sto se nalazi pod drzavnom kontrolom. Svi poznati univerziteti su privatni. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amigo Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Kinik said: Pretpostavljam da prema rezultatima testa u USofA ima vise onih koji su bili sjajni nego ukupno stanovnika u Estoniji i Singapuru. A nisu svi ucestvovali na testu. Evo, pogledao sam: >> ... About 56.6 million students will attend elementary, middle, and high schools across the United States (source). ... << ... Jos jedan promaseni komentar, da ne spominjemo kinesku decu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Bane Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Nista ta merenja ne pokazuju: onaj sto je napravio skor 500+ da ode sutra u pustinju ili dzunglu umro bi za 3 dana!!! Toliko moze da izdrzi bez vode! A Aboridzinsko dete ce preziveti - iako na tom takmicenju ne bi napravio mozda ni 200!!! To tek da se naglasi koliko je to relativno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennGould Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Eddard said: Pa to na kraju ipak proizvede ovo: ... Neće biti. Valjda se od tih stednjoškolaca proizvedu PhD, a ne obrnuto. 35 minutes ago, DJORDJE said: ... Oko toga da je srednjoskolsko obrazovanje losije nego u mnogim zemljama, postoji manje vise konsenzus u SAD, a kriticari bi rekli da je razlog upravo to sto se nalazi pod drzavnom kontrolom. Svi poznati univerziteti su privatni. Taj rad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plavi Golub Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 hours ago, DJORDJE said: Oko toga da je srednjoskolsko obrazovanje losije nego u mnogim zemljama, postoji manje vise konsenzus u SAD, a kriticari bi rekli da je razlog upravo to sto se nalazi pod drzavnom kontrolom. Svi poznati univerziteti su privatni. Svaka savezna drzava ima svoj sistem srednjoskoloskog obrazovanja? Sta ga to cini losijim zato sto je drzavno, po kriticarima? U poredjenju sa drzavama koje imaju takodje drzavno, ali solidno srednjoskolsko obrazovanje. Ako se porede pojedinacne drzave u SAD sa nekom drzavom u svetu, posto je celinu nezahvalno porediti zbog velicine i razlika unutar same nje. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plavi Golub Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 13 hours ago, Angelia said: Edit: postoje planovi, zavisno od drzave, a nekad i skolskog okruga Sad videh ovo. Dakle i skolski okruzi su autonomni da uticu na programe. Oni verovatno moraju da prodju neko zvanicno telo da bi bili odobreni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoran59 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 8 hours ago, DJORDJE said: Sudeci po FBI statistici, tri puta su vece sanse da budes zrtva hate crime u Oregonu nego u Alabami. Tradicionalni Jug nije ono sto je bio pre 60 godina, a vecina " white supremacist groups" je danas bazirana na severozapadu. U drzavama kao sto su Montana. J. Dakota, Ajdaho, vrlo ces retko naici na mesovite parove. ....... Djordje, verujem ti. No ja zivim u svojem mikro-svetu i okruzenju, ne brine me statistika. To mi je uslo u glavu kad je moj cale umirao od raka. Bio je lekar, savrseno svestan sta se dogadja. A i ja sam relativno obrazovan zdravstveni radnik (MRI/CT specialist). I stari izabere terapiju, jednu od vise mogucih, za koju je odlucio da mu je primerena. Pitam ga, kakva je statistika, koliko je ta terapija uspesna, a otac mi kaze: "hebe mi se! Ako prezivim, uspeh je 100%, a ako umrem onda je 0!" Na zalost, umro je. Prosao sam skoro citavu USA. Ima jos 6 saveznih drzava u kojima nisam bio. U 4 sam dugorocno ziveo. Boraveci kod prijatelja na severozapadu, nisam primetio rasizam, koliko god ga mozda statisticki ima. A ovde u gradicu u Alabami, takodje nisam primetio nikakve incidente ili probleme (tek sam malo vise od godinu dana tu), ali postoje delovi grada koji su 95% crnacki ili belacki. Valjda je to neko nasledje, tradicija, sta ja znam. Ne smeta me, stavise ne tice me se. Uclanio sam se u lokalni teniski klub (igram rekreativno), tamo ima i crnih i belih clanova, svi se postuju i sve je normalno. Igram sa ljudima slicnog nivoa (ne)sposobnosti, a biram po vremenu kad njima i meni odgovara, rasa me ne zanima. Samo sam cuo od vrsnjaka (penzioner sam) koliko i kako je bilo drugacije pre 50 godina... Inace, u vise decenija u USA, najneprijatniji incident sam doziveo u Montani, ali nije imao veze sa rasom ili politikom, nego sto sam imao dugacku kosu i bradu i vozio motocikl... Smesna stvar je u tome sto, da je na mojem mestu bio bradati i cupavi motociklista a Crnac - odmah bi ispao rasni incident i usao u neku statistiku. A "nidje veze" i ovako niko nije primetio... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrd Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Plavi Golub said: Sad videh ovo. Dakle i skolski okruzi su autonomni da uticu na programe. Oni verovatno moraju da prodju neko zvanicno telo da bi bili odobreni. Ne bas, moraju da prate "state standards", mogu da imaju svoj tempo ucenja, sta ce predavati u kom razredu, ali moraju da prenesu u periodu k-12 sve ono sto pise u standardu obrazovanja. ==== ovo je uletelo u donji quote, a ne treba da bude tu. Ako mene pitate, sta skripi u obrazovanju, odgovor je jasan, sindikati. Predavaci k-12 su zasticeni medvedi, mogu da dobiju otkaz, samo ako zapale skolu. To limitira, nivo obrazovanja, koji se daje i ako im nije u grupnom ugovoru, predavac nema obavezu da predaje ono sto nece. :) Quote How many states have common core standards? 46 states 46 states initially adopted the Common Core State Standards, although implementation has not been uniform. At least 12 states have introduced legislation to repeal the standards outright, and 4 have since withdrawn from the standards. Edited August 17, 2019 by mrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Shell Workers Had To Attend Trump Speech To Be Paid, Were Ordered Not To Protest: Report They were instructed: "No yelling, shouting, protesting or anything viewed as resistance," according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Workers at a massive new Shell plant in Pennsylvania had to attend a speech by President Donald Trump there earlier this week to be paid — and were ordered not to protest, reported the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Attendance was not mandatory for thousands of union workers at Royal Dutch Shell’s petrochemical plant north of Pittsburgh, but they had to forfeit pay for the day if they skipped, according to attendance and comportment information obtained by the newspaper. “Your attendance is not mandatory,” one manager told workers, summarizing a memo that Shell sent to union leaders, the Post-Gazette reported, but only those who showed up at 7 a.m., scanned their ID cards and prepared to stand for hours through lunch would be paid. “No scan, no pay,” workers were warned. In addition, workers who decided not to listen to the president’s speech reportedly would not be paid overtime rates routinely built in for extra time during the week. The newspaper said that they were also told: “No yelling, shouting, protesting or anything viewed as resistance will be tolerated at the event. An underlying theme of the event is to promote good will from the unions. Your building trades leaders and jobs stewards have agreed to this.” Cijeli clanak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrd Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Honey Badger said: .... Unije su uvek bile neophodna mafija. Drago mi je da je ovo izaslo na videlo. Znaci da nije samo DT los? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoyogi Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, mrd said: Unije su uvek bile neophodna mafija. Drago mi je da je ovo izaslo na videlo. Znaci da nije samo DT los? Verovatno imas u vidu i unije radnika u obrazovanju? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJORDJE Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Plavi Golub said: Svaka savezna drzava ima svoj sistem srednjoskoloskog obrazovanja? Sta ga to cini losijim zato sto je drzavno, po kriticarima? U poredjenju sa drzavama koje imaju takodje drzavno, ali solidno srednjoskolsko obrazovanje. Ako se porede pojedinacne drzave u SAD sa nekom drzavom u svetu, posto je celinu nezahvalno porediti zbog velicine i razlika unutar same nje. Zavisno od toga sa koje strane dolazi kritika, nedostatak fondova, ili trosenje istih na plate i razne beneficije. Generalno oba argumenta stoje, uz dodatak da administratori cesto "friziraju" rezultate testova kako bi se kvalifikovali za razne fondove. Privatne i charter skole imaju daleko bolje rezultate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrd Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Yoyogi said: Verovatno imas u vidu i unije radnika u obrazovanju? Ja ne diskriminisem, sve je to mafija, ali ne mozes da dobijes posao, ako im ne placas reket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoyogi Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, mrd said: Ja ne diskriminisem, sve je to mafija, ali ne mozes da dobijes posao, ako im ne placas reket! To se ti zayebavas ili uleteo u pogresan post? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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