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[McLeod]

12 minutes ago, Dzoni_m said:

Mislim da sada pricamo o satima. Sto je odlicna vest. Sada Miss Universe mogu da odahnu. Civili ce biti na sigurnom, sad ce samo teroristi da nadrljaju. A u juznom delu verovatno Mossad vec obavlja popis i skuplja sve ‘poznate i koji se dovode u vezu’.


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Ako se ovo zavrsi relativno brzo i cisto jedva cekam da cujem sta miss universi misle

[tomas.hokenberi]

13 minutes ago, McLeod said:

Ako se ovo zavrsi relativno brzo i cisto jedva cekam da cujem sta miss universi misle

Verujem da se sutra zavrsi i da se slucajno pokaze i da su 99% zrtava IDF bili pripadnici Hamasa i njihovi saradnici da bi se sigurno nasao neko da kuka kako IDF nije pruzio pravo pripadnicima Hamasa pravo na "pravedno sudjenje" (po šerijatskom pravu verovatno) i da je svaki ubijeni pripadnik Hamasa "zrtva genocida".

[Smrtokapa]

1 hour ago, McLeod said:

Ako se ovo zavrsi relativno brzo i cisto jedva cekam da cujem sta miss universi misle

Evo ako se završi brzo, ispostavi se da je Hamas zaista znatno preuveličao broj stradalih i onda se krene u intenzivnu obnovu Gaze, omogući se ljudima stanovanje i zavlada relativno mirno stanje, ja priznajem da sam pogrešno procenio situaciju.

 

Nadam se da je ovo fer.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Smrtokapa

[Čerčil]

10 minutes ago, Smrtokapa said:

Evo ako se završi brzo, ispostavi se da je Hamas zaista znatno preuveličao broj stradalih i onda se krene u intenzivnu obnovu Gaze, omogući se ljudima stanovanje i zavlada relativno mirno stanje, ja priznajem da sam pogrešno procenio situaciju.

 

Nadam se da je ovo fer.

Da dodam ekonomsko jačanje palestinskih teritorija. 

Tako samo ima nade da ovom intervencojom izraela hamas nije ojačao za 10 do 100 hiljada novih članova u bliskoj budućnosti. 

[Angelia]

30 minutes ago, tomas.hokenberi said:

Verujem da se sutra zavrsi i da se slucajno pokaze i da su 99% zrtava IDF bili pripadnici Hamasa i njihovi saradnici da bi se sigurno nasao neko da kuka kako IDF nije pruzio pravo pripadnicima Hamasa pravo na "pravedno sudjenje" (po šerijatskom pravu verovatno) i da je svaki ubijeni pripadnik Hamasa "zrtva genocida".

To je verovatno moguce. Ali mislim da ovo nije zavrseno tako glatko. Jos ciste tunele u Gaza City, ima tu jos dosta. a drugo, imaju jos i jug kasnije. Koliko sam razumela iz vesti, oni su mozda nasli 20tak tunela za sada. Nisu stigli jos do centralnih, narednih dana ce biti verovatno gadno, ako pacovi nisu vec pobegli iz rupa. 

 

30 minutes ago, Smrtokapa said:

Evo ako se završi brzo, ispostavi se da je Hamas zaista znatno preuveličao broj stradalih i onda se krene u intenzivnu obnovu Gaze, omogući se ljudima stanovanje i zavlada relativno mirno stanje, ja priznajem da sam pogrešno procenio situaciju.

 

Nadam se da je ovo fer.

Da ne zaboravimo i da Hamasu damo medalju za ucestvovanje ....i novi kontingent cementa da renoviraju tunele.

Resavanje sta sa Gazom, ce potrajati. Izrael je ocigledno najavio da ne planira da na duze staze okupira Gazu, nego da samo obezbede sigurnost izraela. Tako da nemam pojma ko ce da preuzme taj vruci krompir.

 

Zavladace relativno mirno stanje jer nece imati cime da napadaju, a to znaci i da nece biti intenzivne obnove Gaze.

[Smrtokapa]

9 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Da ne zaboravimo i da Hamasu damo medalju za ucestvovanje ....i novi kontingent cementa da renoviraju tunele.

Resavanje sta sa Gazom, ce potrajati. Izrael je ocigledno najavio da ne planira da na duze staze okupira Gazu, nego da samo obezbede sigurnost izraela. Tako da nemam pojma ko ce da preuzme taj vruci krompir.

 

Zavladace relativno mirno stanje jer nece imati cime da napadaju, a to znaci i da nece biti intenzivne obnove Gaze.

Koji sad Hamas, jesmo li rekli da eliminišemo Hamas?

Edited November 8, 2023 by Smrtokapa

[Angelia]

14 minutes ago, Smrtokapa said:

Koji sad Hamas, jesmo li rekli da eliminišemo Hamas?

A ti ocekujes da ce ovo eliminisati bas sve Hamasovce? Pa nece, oni bace raketu I presvuku se u briznog oca familije...ili kako neki tvrde, civile, a uz to ni Izrael nema prostora za 20k zarobljenika. 

Upravo o tome pricamo da je podrska Hamasu ili dzihadistima ogromna. 

Da eliminisemo Hamas kompletno je prosto nemoguce, ja sam unapred rekla da je cilj da se rasturi Hamas kao organizacija I unisti teroristicka infrastruktura. Usput I Islamisticki Dzihad.

Zato nakon toga treba da sledi denacifikacija. Verovatno ih je dosta vec I pobeglo u egipat. 

Tako da ta kumbaja prica o intenzivnoj obnovi Gaze, je samo to, lepi snovi.

 

Zato I one cifre o poginulim civilima nemaju smisla, ni 10% nisu Hamasovci? Koliko kontam IDF ima mogucnost da hirurski gadja ciljeve 200 metara od svojih trupa. Tako da sigurno nisu komplet omasili Hamasovce za milju.

[Smrtokapa]

19 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Zato nakon toga treba da sledi denacifikacija.

A šta bi po vama trebalo da u praksi predstavlja ova denacifikacija (baš volite tu magičnu reč).

 

Što je lepo kad čovek krene ovako da postavlja pitanja umesto da samo biva propitivan

[Angelia]

24 minutes ago, Smrtokapa said:

A šta bi po vama trebalo da u praksi predstavlja ova denacifikacija (baš volite tu magičnu reč).

 

Što je lepo kad čovek krene ovako da postavlja pitanja umesto da samo biva propitivan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification

 

Ako ti to nije jasno, moze I lustracija. Mislim mozes malo da pogledas sta to znaci. S tim da specificno u Gazi treba da se krene od obrazovnog sistema, pa sve do zakonskog.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Angelia

[DJORDJE]

9 hours ago, Kronostime said:

Golda Meir nije bombardovala palestinska naselja 1972. vec je poslala MOSAD da se "pozabavi" sa teroristima Crnog Septembra - i to je uradjeno vrlo precizno i bez suvisnih zrtava.

Bespotrebno nasilje ce samo radjati novo isto tako bespotrebno nasilje i u tom krugu ce se zrtve gomilati na obe strane.

Sto rece Platon: Samo su mrtvi videli kraj rata.

Sto bi se reklo kada promasis ceo fudbal. Prvo poredis dogadjaj u Minhenu gde je ubijeno jedanaest sportista, sa napadom Hamasa u kojem je ubijeno preko 1400 ljudi u Izraelu. Zdrav razum namece da odgovor na ta dva dogadjaja ne moze da bude isti.

Ni Bibi ne bombarduje palestinska naselja, vec polozaje Hamasa koji se nalaze u palestinskim naseljima, a to sto Hamas koristi civilne objekte, pa cak i dzamije za lansiranje raketa, je palestinski problem. Uzgred, Izrael je 72ge bombardovao kampove PLO u Siriji i Libanu, kao odgovor za napad u Minhenu.

[Angelia]

Situacija je jasna, Izrael ne bi napao Gazu, da Hamas nije uleteo I ubio 1400 ljudi. Ne postoji drugi adekvatan odgovor na takav napad osim totalnog unistenja hamasa I infrastruktire. Ako u Gazi postoji 25% nevinih civila, sorry. Druga opcija je da izvuku svakog hamasovca, I predaju ih. Be my guest 😌 

[erwin]

6 hours ago, Angelia said:

Zato I one cifre o poginulim civilima nemaju smisla

 

Ma uopšte nemaju.

 

Za one koji su zaboravili ili nisu pratili, portparol izraelske vojske Danijel Hagari je još u utorak posle masakra (10.X), koji je bio u subotu (7.X), dakle praktično na početku kampanje bombardovanja rekao da su već do tog trenutka bacili stotine tona bombi i da je "naglasak na šteti, ne na preciznosti".

 

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Speaking on Tuesday morning, IDF spokesperson R Adm Daniel Hagari made the startling admission that “hundreds of tons of bombs” had already been dropped on the tiny strip, adding that “the emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/right-now-it-is-one-day-at-a-time-life-on-israels-frontline-with-gaza#:~:text=The move will undoubtedly claim,damage and not on accuracy”.

 

Original na hebrejskom na Harecu:

https://www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/2023-10-10/ty-article-live/0000018b-1645-d465-abbb-16f71d060000#1720386730

Edited November 9, 2023 by erwin

[erwin]

44 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Situacija je jasna, Izrael ne bi napao Gazu, da Hamas nije uleteo I ubio 1400 ljudi. Ne postoji drugi adekvatan odgovor

 

Naravno da postoji, koji je ovo put da Izrael ulazi u Pojas Gaze da pobije koga treba ili da ga okupira? Nijednom nije bilo ovolikog rušenja i civilnih žrtava.

 

Nova UN-ova infografika o situaciji.

 

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4-6 sati je prosečno vreme čekanja na dobijanje polovine normalne porcije hleba.

Za 92% manja potrošnja vode u odnosu na period pre sukoba.

Svih 13 preostalih bolnica dobilo je naređenje za evakuaciju, a više od 1/3 više ne radi.

 

 

 

https://www.unocha.org/attachments/57bb99aa-0f14-473e-ae31-8d5e90093016/Gaza_casualties_info-graphic_7_Nov_2023-32.pdf

Edited November 9, 2023 by erwin

[Smrtokapa]

7 hours ago, Angelia said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification

 

Ako ti to nije jasno, moze I lustracija. Mislim mozes malo da pogledas sta to znaci. S tim da specificno u Gazi treba da se krene od obrazovnog sistema, pa sve do zakonskog.

 

Hvala za link, ali nije meni bilo potrebno objašnjenje koncepta denacifikacije niti lustracije, već me je zanimalo da čujem kako biste to primenili u praksi.

 

Ovo za obrazovni i zakonski sistem je sve super, slažem se, samo će to malčice teže ići u jednom potpuno devastiranom području. Zbog toga je i bitna obnova Gaze. Pošto se posleratna Nemačka obično uzima kao pozitivan primer, mogu se i odatle izvući neki zaključci. Ne bi njima denacifikacija pomogla da postanu ovo što su danas da pobednici nisu u jednom momentu odlučili da je bolje da se pomogne nemačka ekonomska obnova umesto da se Nemačka pretvori u poljoprivrednu zemlju i raseli 25 miliona ljudi.

 

Naravno, bilo je i tu protivargumenata, jedan od njih:

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1943CairoTehran/d566

[erwin]

11 hours ago, McLeod said:

Ako se ovo zavrsi relativno brzo i cisto jedva cekam da cujem sta miss universi misle

 

To bi bilo suprotno svim izraelskim najavama i generala koji su spominjali vojni pohod koji može trajati i godinu dana i Netanjahua koji je rekao da će okupirati Pojas Gaze na neodređeno.

 

Economist piše da je najveća prepreka rešenju sa dve države Netanjahu.

 

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Israel’s window of legitimacy
Will America pull the plug on Israel’s invasion of Gaza? 
Israel is racing to destroy Hamas as a global backlash grows
Nov 7th 2023

It was hardly a warm welcome, although that no doubt came as little surprise. Antony Blinken, America’s secretary of state, spent the past few days shuttling across the Middle East, his second such trip since the start of the Gaza war on October 7th. In Amman his Jordanian counterpart, Ayman Safadi, told Mr Blinken to “stop this madness”. The language he heard in private across the region was even tougher. His meeting with Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, lasted less than an hour and ended with no joint statement. Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey did not bother to meet him at all.

Mr Blinken’s chilly reception was one sign of mounting anger at Israel’s war in Gaza. Now in its second month, it has killed more than 10,000 Palestinians and damaged or destroyed more than 11% of the buildings in the enclave. It has enraged the Arab world, inflamed Western capitals and drawn condemnation from many world leaders.

Israeli generals still talk about waging a long campaign that will last up to a year. On November 7th Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu told ABC News that Israel would be in charge of Gaza’s security for an “indefinite period”. In practice, though, what Israeli officers call their “window of legitimacy” is probably far shorter. How fast that window closes will depend largely on America, which supplies Israel with munitions, diplomatic support and an aid package worth perhaps $14bn. If Joe Biden wants the war to end, Israel will be hard pressed to ignore him.

So far, he does not. Although he now supports “humanitarian pauses” to allow more aid to enter Gaza, Mr Biden has rejected calls for an outright ceasefire. But administration officials have made clear, in a series of leaks, that they doubt Israel has a coherent exit strategy in Gaza. They complain that Mr Netanyahu is barely willing to discuss the topic, and say they want to put their concerns on the record now lest the war end badly. To think a war risks becoming a quagmire but to support it nonetheless is an untenable position—especially when American voters agree.

A poll by The Economist and YouGov found that a plurality of Americans (41%) believe Mr Biden is handling the war badly. A Quinnipiac survey of registered voters found that 51% of independents and 66% of people aged 18 to 34 disapprove of his policy. His ratings have plummeted amongst Arab-American voters, which could hurt him next year in crucial swing states like Michigan. Sources in Washington think it will still be several more weeks before Mr Biden pivots to talk of a truce—but do not doubt that he will make such a shift.

Arab states certainly hope so. Fears of a multi-front war, which were acute in the days after Hamas’s massacre, have eased. Hizbullah, the Lebanese Shia militia, continues to fire rockets daily at Israel, but Hassan Nasrallah, the group’s leader, signalled in a speech on November 3rd that he was not yet interested in all-out war. The Houthis, a Shia militant group in Yemen, have lobbed drones and missiles at Israel but are too far away to pose a strategic threat.

Many autocrats across the Middle East would be happy to see Israel smash Hamas. But they are also nervous that the war will mobilise their subjects, many of whom are already restive about awful economic conditions. This adds to pressure on both America, which has heard their fears for weeks now, and Israel, which is keen to preserve its recent diplomatic gains in the Arab world.

So far, most countries have made do with symbolic rebukes of Israel. On November 2nd the lower house of Bahrain’s parliament announced that the country would recall its ambassador from Israel. The chamber has few powers; recalling ambassadors is not one of them. Envoys from both countries had gone home weeks earlier. Parliament, in a fit of populist politics, made it seem as if lawmakers had decreed their return. Officials in both Bahrain and Israel say diplomatic ties remain intact.

Four days later King Abdullah of Jordan announced that his air force had dropped a shipment of medical aid into Gaza. Jordan would not have taken such action without seeking Israel’s approval, which the Israeli army later confirmed it had indeed given. By omitting that detail from his announcement, though, the king could act as if he had challenged Israel’s blockade of Gaza.

Such gestures do not earn much goodwill at home, however. Even the United Arab Emirates (uae), Israel’s closest Arab ally, has grown increasingly critical (at least in public). Anwar Gargash, a foreign-policy adviser to the uae’s president, said at a conference on November 4th that America should push for a ceasefire, “the quicker the better”.

Then there is Israel itself. Morale is high in the army, and Israelis seem willing to accept far more casualties than they normally would (34 Israeli soldiers have been killed so far). But the public is furious with a prime minister more concerned with his political survival than with battlefield strategy. Protesters gathered at Mr Netanyahu’s house on November 4th to demand his resignation.

Another question is the economy. The month-long Lebanon war in 2006 cost around 9.5bn shekels ($2bn at the time or 1.3% of GDP), whereas the last big Gaza conflict in 2014 cost 7bn shekels (0.6% of GDP). This one may be even costlier. The Bank of Israel thinks the government’s deficit will climb to 3% of GDP next year, compared with a 0.6% surplus in 2022; some outside analysts put the estimate above 5%. Mobilising 360,000 reservists has also left parts of the Israeli economy with a shortage of workers, even if some of them have now been sent home.

Israeli officials hope that the fierce bombardment of the war’s first month is now giving way to a new phase. Gaza city is surrounded by the IDF, and ground troops and armour are drawing closer to the area where the IDF says Hamas has its headquarters and where a nucleus of its fighters and leadership are holed up underground. If the IDF can soon destroy these facilities and kill large numbers of militants, some officers believe that it will have partially met its mission of depleting Hamas’s ability to run Gaza. The war would then move into a more limited campaign of ground raids.

That could ease international pressure, which spikes every time Israeli jets bomb a bakery or a refugee camp, and ease pressure on the economy by allowing the army to release some reservists. The Israelis also recognise that relieving the humanitarian crisis in Gaza could buy more time. On November 6th the uae announced that it would set up a 150-bed field hospital in Gaza, a move co-ordinated with Israel. Mr Netanyahu now says he is open to “tactical little pauses, an hour here, an hour there” to allow more aid to enter.

Arguably, though, the biggest challenge to Israel’s international legitimacy is Mr Netanyahu himself. His government is stacked with radicals. Amichai Eliyahu, the heritage minister, recently suggested dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza. Zvi Sukkot, the new head of a parliamentary committee that oversees the occupied West Bank, is a far-right ideologue who has been investigated by Israel’s Shin Bet for his alleged extremist activity.

When they met in Ramallah, Mr Abbas told Mr Blinken that the Palestinian Authority, which controls parts of the West Bank, could return to Gaza to govern the enclave after the war. Such an outcome would please both the Israeli army and the Americans.

But Mr Abbas added that it would only happen “within the framework of a comprehensive political solution”—in other words, as a step towards a two-state solution, which Mr Netanyahu has spent his entire political career fighting against. If he remains in office, there will be no serious talk of an endgame in Gaza. America’s patience will run out and Israel will find its room for manoeuvre increasingly limited. 

 

https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2023/11/07/will-america-pull-the-plug-on-israels-invasion-of-gaza?utm_medium=social-media.content.np&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=editorial-social&utm_content=discovery.content

Edited November 9, 2023 by erwin

[erwin]

Reportaža novinara Kanala 4 koji je s izraelskim trupama ušao u Pojas Gaze (ima snimaka povređenih).

 

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[Selina]

53 minutes ago, Smrtokapa said:

 

Hvala za link, ali nije meni bilo potrebno objašnjenje koncepta denacifikacije niti lustracije, već me je zanimalo da čujem kako biste to primenili u praksi.

 

Ovo za obrazovni i zakonski sistem je sve super, slažem se, samo će to malčice teže ići u jednom potpuno devastiranom području. Zbog toga je i bitna obnova Gaze. Pošto se posleratna Nemačka obično uzima kao pozitivan primer, mogu se i odatle izvući neki zaključci. Ne bi njima denacifikacija pomogla da postanu ovo što su danas da pobednici nisu u jednom momentu odlučili da je bolje da se pomogne nemačka ekonomska obnova umesto da se Nemačka pretvori u poljoprivrednu zemlju i raseli 25 miliona ljudi.

 

Naravno, bilo je i tu protivargumenata, jedan od njih:

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1943CairoTehran/d566

Oni su devastirani i bice devastirani sve dok im se sveta knjiga ne reformise, a to ce biti na sveti nikad.

Porediti Gazu sa Nemackom veze s mozgom nema. Uspesno i progresivno drustvo, drzavu, ne cine donacije, nego ljudi

koji ga zele. Mogu da dobijaju milijarde, kao i sto dobijaju vec godinama, napretka tu nema.

 

Pobednici, citaj USA, Marshalov plan, za Nemacku je predvideo samo 10% od 13 milijardi, za Francusku 20%, za Italiju 10%,

za UK 24%, usput za Jugoslaviju 1,3%. Zar stvarno mislis da Nemacka nije dobila te pare ne bi znala sta i kako?

Japan nije dobio nista pa je i on kao Nemacka imao privredno cudo. Zasto je danas Kina najmocnija? Nikako zbog donacija

nego zbog ljudi koji zele, umeju i mogu vise, bolje.

[Smrtokapa]

16 minutes ago, Selina said:

Porediti Gazu sa Nemackom veze s mozgom nema.

 

Ako je ovo Vaš stav, onda izvolte pa objasnite ljudima koji u kontekstu Gaze koriste koncepte proistekle iz posleratne Nemačke zašto je to adekvatno ili neadekvatno. Nisam ja prvi pomenuo denacifikaciju.

 

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Pobednici, citaj USA, Marshalov plan, za Nemacku je predvideo samo 10% od 13 milijardi, za Francusku 20%, za Italiju 10%,

za UK 24%, usput za Jugoslaviju 1,3%. Zar stvarno mislis da Nemacka nije dobila te pare ne bi znala sta i kako?

 

Bacite pogled na neke od alternativnih planova za posleratnu Nemačku pa razmislite još jednom da li bi znali šta i kako da su ti planovi bili primenjeni.

[Selina]

1 minute ago, Smrtokapa said:

 

Ako je ovo Vaš stav, onda izvolte pa objasnite ljudima koji u kontekstu Gaze koriste koncepte proistekle iz posleratne Nemačke zašto je to adekvatno ili neadekvatno. Nisam ja prvi pomenuo denacifikaciju.

 

 

Bacite pogled na neke od alternativnih planova za posleratnu Nemačku pa razmislite još jednom da li bi znali šta i kako da su ti planovi bili primenjeni.

A sto se ti meni obracas sa Vi?

Denacifikacija i privredni uspeh veze jedno s drugim nemaju.

[Foster]

30 minutes ago, Selina said:

Oni su devastirani i bice devastirani sve dok im se sveta knjiga ne reformise, a to ce biti na sveti nikad.

 

U tom grmu lezi zec, njihova sveta knjiga te zulja.Sve druge svete knjige su reformisane, samo njihova nije.Malo informisanja ne bi skodilo.Sta sve pise u drugim svetim knjigama je puno radikalnije od onoga u "njihovoj" svetoj knjizi.

Pouka:

Nije do knjige, do ljudi je

[erwin]

Da živimo u mračnom (evropskom) srednjem veku, neke druge Seline bi zagovarali isto za hrišćane.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

[Selina]

4 minutes ago, erwin said:

Da živimo u mračnom (evropskom) srednjem veku, neke druge Seline bi zagovarali isto za hrišćane.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

Ali ne zivimo, a za Hriscane mi nista nije nepoznato. Nego se Hrsicanima dogodio Luter, reformacija pa zato Hriscani

imaju ovaj svet koji imaju.

[fishV2]

Kad smo vec kod svetih knjiga

 

86 percent said they believe in some higher power
64 percent agreed “the Jews are the ‘chosen people’ as the Bible describes.”
74 percent said they believe “the land of Israel is ‘the Promised Land’ as the Bible describes.”
49 percent of Israelis believe there is life after death
54 percent of Israelis believe in heaven
55 percent believe in the coming of the Messiah.
69 percent think the Messiah will perform miracles
64 percent believe there is a connection between the State of Israel and the coming of the Messiah
45 percent believe the Messiah could come in their lifetime

 

https://www.chosenpeople.com/new-2023-survey/#top

[Kronostime]

9 minutes ago, Selina said:

Ali ne zivimo, a za Hriscane mi nista nije nepoznato. Nego se Hrsicanima dogodio Luter, reformacija pa zato Hriscani

imaju ovaj svet koji imaju.

Dogodio se i Kalvin, Henri VIII i jos gomila drugih koji su svako na svoj nacin tumacili rec bozju.

No, to im nije smetalo da proganjaju i nasilno pokrstavaju ostale nevernike.

[Selina]

2 minutes ago, fishV2 said:

Kad smo vec kod svetih knjiga

 

86 percent said they believe in some higher power
64 percent agreed “the Jews are the ‘chosen people’ as the Bible describes.”
74 percent said they believe “the land of Israel is ‘the Promised Land’ as the Bible describes.”
49 percent of Israelis believe there is life after death
54 percent of Israelis believe in heaven
55 percent believe in the coming of the Messiah.
69 percent think the Messiah will perform miracles
64 percent believe there is a connection between the State of Israel and the coming of the Messiah
45 percent believe the Messiah could come in their lifetime

 

https://www.chosenpeople.com/new-2023-survey/#top

 A sta i kako misli, kaze,veruje tih 20% Arapa jer su i oni Izraelci?

 

Ti si uzeo za primer samo jednu ( svetu knjigu) a ima ih tri.