Rat u Ukrajini

[Hamilton]

Steta sto dolaze te neke jebene kise i blato. Koliko jos imaju vremena pre nego krene sto sranje (pitanje za Asad-a, Klotzena i slicne poznavaoce)?

[ras kass]

Kise vise nisu bitne, jer cim Ukrajinci upale tenk, Rusi se regrupisu. 

Strelkov tvrdi da je naredjena evakuacija Svatova. Rusi vise nista ne brane, moral im je na nuli. Ebes Krim, ebes sve, ajmo kuci. 

[Maharaja]

Ako je ovakav raspad ruske vojske koja je (delom) profesionalna, šta će biti kad stvarno bude trebalo da se bori neobučena gologuzija koju su sakupili kako su stigli.

[Klotzen]

@Hamilton

 

Rasputica je posledica kada kiša pada više dana a teperatura je između 0 i 10. Tada jednostavno voda presporo isparava i diže se nivo podzemnih voda. Zemljani putevi postaju neprohodni jer čim prođe desetak vozila pretvore se u blato. No koliko vidim kiša se sad više ne najavljuje narednih desetak dana tako da polovine oktobra sigurno mogu da računaju na sadašnje uslove.

 

@all

 

Za Svatove je proglašena evakuacija civila, to ne mora da znači da ide i vojska nego da se spremaju da brane mesto. To mesto ima dobru poziciju za odbranu ako obezbede bokove.

 

Edited October 3, 2022 by Klotzen

[PorodicneVrijednosti]

3 minutes ago, Klotzen said:

@Hamilton

 

Rasputica je posledica kada kiša pada više dana a teperatura je između 0 i 10. Tada jednostavno voda presporo isparava i diže se nivo podzemnih voda. Zemljani putevi postaju neprohodni jer čim prođe desetak vozila pretvore se u blato. No koliko vidim kiša se sad više ne najavljuje narednih desetak dana tako da polovine oktobra sigurno mogu da računaju na sadašnje uslove.

Citao sam da valjda iza Svatove nema skoro nikakvih ruskih odbrambenih linija do granica RAO Krajina. Kakva je sansa da Ukrajinci do kraja godine izbiju na linije prije 24.02?

[Klotzen]

Iskreno da ti kažem ja se više ništa ne usuđujem da prognoziram. Taman kada pomislim pa ne mogu Rusi još veće dno da dotaknu oni me demantuju. Realno Ukrajinci će gurati dok god Rusi ne dovuku pojačanja i uspostave negde jaku odbranu. Jedino će morati da prave pauze da privuku logistiku. Dosta tu sada ima reka sa porušenim mostovima a preko svake ti treba 5-6 pontona da bi snadbevao trupe veličine 3-4 brigade u nastupanju.

 

Elon Mask dobio prvi odgovor :

 

 

 

Ambasador Ukrajine u Berlinu 🙂

 

[ras kass]

Rusima drze moral Bokan I ekipa sa hepija. 

[ters]

25 minutes ago, Klotzen said:

Iskreno da ti kažem ja se više ništa ne usuđujem da prognoziram. Taman kada pomislim pa ne mogu Rusi još veće dno da dotaknu oni me demantuju.

 

Upravo tako - sve vise i vise polozaj Rusije lici na 1916... I znamo kako je to zavsilo po autokratu u Kremlju sljedece godine. Boldirane stvari koje su skoro identicne 106 godina kasnije. Za sada nema nestasica hrane  i Rasputina (ali je tu Dugin)....

 

At the time of the revolution Russia was an autocracy, with Tsar Nicholas II holding absolute power over his people. Its political, social and economic structures were extremely backward in comparison to other countries in Europe. Food shortages and military failures at the start of the twentieth century had caused strikes and riots that were often brutally suppressed. The 1905 Revolution had led to some reforms, including the establishment of a State Duma (legislative assembly), but there was still no real democracy in Russia.

Russia's entry into the First World War was initially supported by most Russians. However its infrastructure struggled to cope with the demands of war. Russia's industry depended almost entirely on foreign imports. When Germany and its Turkish allies blockaded Russia's Eastern ports, its railway, electricity and supply systems broke down. There were not enough laborers to collect the harvests and there were serious food shortages. 

 

The war was going badly for Russia with a string of defeats. In 1915, the Tsar attempted to boost moral by taking personal command of the army. This move had disastrous results. The Tsar was a poor military leader and he was now blamed for every defeat. He had also left his wife, the German-born Tsarina Alexandra, in charge at home. The Tsarina was very unpopular and seemed to be under the control of the equally unpopular mystic Grigori Rasputin. 

With little food, no ammunition or even proper uniforms, Russian soldiers began to mutiny in their thousands. Strikes and protests in Russia saw no reforms from the government. Trade unions were banned and 'troublemakers' were sent into exile. By early 1917 most Russians had completely lost faith in the Tsarist regime. 

Edited October 3, 2022 by ters

[erwin]

 

[Klotzen]

Po rusofilskim izvorima Ukrajinci su stigli u Dudčane, Rusi su porušili most i povukli se u južni deo grada. Takođe izveštavaju da se pripremaju položaji kod Milove,15km južnije. 

 

Kod Borove na reci Oskil Ukrajinci su uspeli da zauzmu most neoštećen. Veliki propust Rusa.

[VladimirB]

Interesantna najava odmazde, kako bi izgledao NATO odgovor u slučaju upotrebe nuklearki u Ukrajini.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/02/us-russia-putin-ukraine-war-david-petraeus

 

The US and its allies would destroy Russia’s troops and equipment in Ukraine – as well as sink its Black Sea fleet – if the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, uses nuclear weapons in the country, former CIA director and retired four-star army general David Petraeus warned on Sunday.

[erwin]

Ruski vojni blogeri tvrde da su Ukrajinci u Hersonskoj oblasti napravili prodor tako što su stavili ruske oznake Z i V na svoja oklopna vozila i tako izazvali pometnju kod Rusa, što navodno ukazuje na to da se više ne oslanjaju samo na vizuelnu identifikaciju, već da imaju digitalni sistem praćenja svojih oklopnih vozila.

 

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The lads on the ground are reporting en masse that our tactical insignia, i.e. "Z" and "V", had been applied to the enemy's equipment, which contributed to the confusion in the first hours of the battle as the front collapsed.
If this is true, it means that the enemy has an American network-centric battle management system, where all units on the battlefield are networked and marked on computers, even at company level, let alone at battalion-regiment level.
Thus, even a company sergeant in a Humvee, BMP or T-64 can see on the screen where his own units are and where the others are, and he doesn't care what marks are on the armor.
If this is so it is very bad, as it is a qualitatively new level of command and control. And our retreat is a consequence of losing the equation.

 

Original: https://t.me/RSaponkov/3697
Izvor prevoda: https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1577216197367836675

Edited October 4, 2022 by erwin

[Stiletto]

11 hours ago, ters said:

 

Upravo tako - sve vise i vise polozaj Rusije lici na 1916... I znamo kako je to zavsilo po autokratu u Kremlju sljedece godine. Boldirane stvari koje su skoro identicne 106 godina kasnije. Za sada nema nestasica hrane  i Rasputina (ali je tu Dugin)....

 

 

Ne zaboravi jednu "sitnicu". Kad su se Rusi tih godina rešili tadašnjih autokrata Romanova, na vlast tamo su došli pedeset puta gori.

 

Nema nikakvih garancija da će kad jednog dana smene/obese/štagod Putlera na vlast u Rusiji doći neko bolji.

 

Da parafraziram srpske umne glave pred svake izbore u Srbiji, "svi su isti."

[erwin]

2/3 ispitanika u Rusiji u septembarskom Levadinom istraživanju sprovedenom posle proglašenja delimične mobilizacije smatra da sigurno (36%) ili verovatno (30%) sledi i opšta.

 

 

Plašite li se da će zbog ratnih dejstava u Ukrajini biti proglašena opšta mobilizacija u Rusiji?

 

U procentima anketiranih.

 

tamnoplavo = definitivno da

svetloplavo = verovatno da

narandžasto = verovatno ne

crveno = definitivno ne

sivo = ne umem da odgovorim

 

Gore je februar '22, a dole septembar '22.

 

https://www.levada.ru/2022/09/29/konflikt-s-ukrainoj-sentyabr-2022-goda/

Edited October 4, 2022 by erwin

[erwin]

Ukrajinci doneli ukaz da nema pregovora s Putinom.

 

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DECREE OF THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE No. 679/2022

On the decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine dated September 30, 2022 "Regarding the actions of Ukraine in response to the Russian Federation's attempt to annex the territory of our state, with the aim of guaranteeing the security of the Euro-Atlantic space, Ukraine and restoring its territorial integrity"

 

In accordance with Article 107 of the Constitution of Ukraine, I decree :

1. To implement the decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine dated September 30, 2022 "Regarding the actions of Ukraine in response to the Russian Federation's attempt to annex the territories of our state, with the aim of guaranteeing the security of the Euro-Atlantic space, Ukraine and restoring its territorial integrity" (attached) .

2. Control over the implementation of the decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine put into effect by this Decree shall be entrusted to the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine.

3. This Decree enters into force from the day of its publication.

President of Ukraine V.ZELENSKY

September 30, 2022

Entered into force
by the Decree of the President of Ukraine
dated September 30, 2022
No. 679/2022

 

DECISION

National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine

from September 30, 2022

Regarding the actions of Ukraine in response to the Russian Federation's attempt to annex the territory of our state, with the aim of guaranteeing the security of the Euro-Atlantic space, Ukraine and restoring its territorial integrity

 

Taking into account the results of the meeting of the Staff of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and after listening to the members of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine decided :

1. To state the impossibility of conducting negotiations with the President of the Russian Federation V. Putin.

2. To approve the text of the Joint Address of the President of Ukraine, the Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine and the Prime Minister of Ukraine to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Q. The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine to prepare proposals for a multi-level system of guaranteeing security based on multilateral and bilateral agreements of Ukraine, which are aimed at bringing the defense potential of Ukraine to a level that will ensure a guaranteed repulsion of the armed aggression of the Russian Federation, strengthening military support for Ukraine to build up its defense capabilities, promoting development of the defense-industrial complex and a significant increase in the scope and volume of individual and collective training of Ukrainian servicemen.

4. In the conditions of escalation on the part of the Russian Federation, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine should ensure the strengthening of Ukraine's defense capabilities by increasing the supply of military and technical assistance to Ukraine.

5. To recommend to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, in order to increase the stability of the state, to speed up the adoption of relevant draft laws regarding the appropriate sanctions and other response to the escalation by the Russian Federation.

Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine O.DANILOV

https://www.president.gov.ua/documents/6792022-44249

Edited October 4, 2022 by erwin

[Devil In My Pants]

Gasovode koji idu iz Rusije ka Evropi treba sve razhebati, pa i one druge. Svaki vid transporta. Ovo vidim kao opomenu, ali Ameri su bas blagi prema Rusima.

 

Sto se tice samih Rusa neka budu srecni ako se ovo neprenese na Rusiju i samo je pitanje vremena kad ce  putler da uradi neki ludacki potez jer gubi tonu ljudi i mesta svakodnevno, hebe se njemu za ta mesta, cak i za javno mnjenje koje je vec obrlatio da vodi rat protiv ostatka sveta..On to sam nece moci podneti da ostane upisan kao gubitnik.

 

Pisao sam jos pre cetiri meseca da ovo ocekujem. Sad cu dati izjavu da ce Donjeck i Herson pasti do nove godine samim tim i Lugansk do kraja oktobra.

 

 

Srbija padom Rusije se mora okrenuti zapadu, jadni psihopata jos ne sme da sastavi vladu sve cekajuci rusku pobedu. O rusofiliji da ne pisem, previse su bolesni na internetima i jedini lek za nas je tesko samaranje Rusa. 

 

Dok Moskva i Petersburg ne pate, nikakve sankcije ne mogu promeniti nista u glavama tih ljudi.

 

 

 

 

[Dragan]

2 hours ago, Stiletto said:

 

Ne zaboravi jednu "sitnicu". Kad su se Rusi tih godina rešili tadašnjih autokrata Romanova, na vlast tamo su došli pedeset puta gori.

 

Nema nikakvih garancija da će kad jednog dana smene/obese/štagod Putlera na vlast u Rusiji doći neko bolji.

 

Da parafraziram srpske umne glave pred svake izbore u Srbiji, "svi su isti."

Ko god da dodje na vlast posle zlog gnoma imace daleko manja sredstva da nacini stetu drugima.

Eventualno mogu jos vise da ugnjave vlastite podanike.

[Stiletto]

2 minutes ago, Dragan said:

Ko god da dodje na vlast posle zlog gnoma imace daleko manja sredstva da nacini stetu drugima.

Eventualno mogu jos vise da ugnjave vlastite podanike.

 

Nisu ni Rusi imali 1917. potencijal da načine štetu drugima. Ali samo tridesetak godina kasnije...

[deez nuts.]

9 minutes ago, Stiletto said:

 

Nisu ni Rusi imali 1917. potencijal da načine štetu drugima. Ali samo tridesetak godina kasnije...

1917. godine su nacinili stetu kome su trebali. 

[erwin]

 

[deez nuts.]

 

[ras kass]

 

Sve zapadno od Dnjepra vracaju Ukrajinci. 

Nek se spremi Mrlitopolj

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by ras kass

[Kronostime]

15 minutes ago, deez nuts. said:

1917. godine su nacinili stetu kome su trebali. 

Kome?

Lenjin je preko Finske dosao u Rusiju, a povlacenje Rusije iz rata je uslovilo krvavijem probijanjem zapadnog i juznog fronta.

Istocni, u Galiciji i prema Nemackoj se raspao i postojala je velika opasnost da se te snage prebace prvenstveno na zapadni front cime bi pitanje odbrane Francuske i Velike Britanije  na istom bilo dovedeno u pitanje.

Zato je i pokrenuto ubrzano probjanje juznog fronta (Kajmakcalan i ostalo).

[deez nuts.]

Just now, Kronostime said:

Kome?

Lenjin je preko Finske dosao u Rusiju, a povlacenje Rusije iz rata je uslovilo krvavijem probijanjem zapadnog i juznog fronta.

Istocni, u Galiciji i prema Nemackoj se raspao i postojala je velika opasnost da se te snage prebace prvenstveno na zapadni front cime bi pitanje odbrane Francuske i Velike Britanije  na istom bilo dovedeno u pitanje.

Zato je i pokrenuto ubrzano probjanje juznog fronta (Kajmakcalan i ostalo).

 

Mislio sam na vrsnog vojnog komandanta i ugnjetavaca cestitog ruskog domacina Nikolaja.

[Stiletto]

2 minutes ago, deez nuts. said:

 

Mislio sam na vrsnog vojnog komandanta i ugnjetavaca cestitog ruskog domacina Nikolaja.

 

@Dragani ja smo pričali o šteti drugim državama. To da će svaki budući ruski samodržac ugnjetavati sopstveni narod, topla voda alert.