zoran59 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, DJORDJE said: Ma slazemo se , ali si verovatno video i izjavu guvernera ,da je sve ovo posledica koriscanja wind and solar . Tu sada dolazimo na onaj deo o kome sam govorio, da se opsti i biznis interesi cesto ne poklapaju. Guverner sere. Zamrzle su se i neke elektrane na gas ili ugalj. Ovo sledece je za neku drugu raspravu: Navikli smo (i ne bunimo se) da placamo (kroz neke namete ili porez) vatrogasce da sede i ne rade nista. Stavise, najlepse nam je da ne rade nista. Zato jer, u stani-pani situaciji, srecni smo da su na raspolaganju. Eh, jebiga, za "visak" energije necemo da placamo - ali se bunimo i jadikujemo kad je nema... Ja jesam za privatnu i individualnu inicijativu u vecine stvari, ali ponegde ima potrebe i za drzavnom intervencijom i regulativom. Na nama je da se dogovorimo gde nam treba. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Smith Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 U međuvremenu u Mičigenu novi udarac belačkoj opresivnoj kulturi: U New Hampshire predložena praktično prepisana Trampova odluka koja bi sprečila, pored ostalih esencijalističkih učenja, i primenu CRT u nastavi i predavanjima o antirasizmu. Naslov zbunjuje, ne radi se o zabrani CRT nego o primeni zastarele definicije rasizma: Quote Keith Ammon’s bill (via Christopher Rufo) would prohibit — in state contracts, grants and training programs — the teaching of “divisive concepts” such as “one race or sex [being] inherently superior to another race or sex” and that “an individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, is inherently racist, sexist or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously.” Ovo je donedavno bilo prilično mainstream, ubrzano je postalo problematično zadnjih par godina slično izjavama Dona Lemona o crnačkoj kulturi koje su u ovom trenutku materijal za gubljenje funkcije i posla u mainstream medijima. Pitanje je, ako ovo prođe u nekim državama, da li Biden može da uradi nešto pošto je njegova administracija ukinula istu uredbu na federalnom nivou? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bohumilo Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, DJORDJE said: Sto se tice klimatskih promena opsti i biznis interesi se prilicno razlikuju, pogotovo u sredinama kao sto je TX, gde je ova hladnoca upravo dokaz da je prica o globalnom zagrevanju totalni BS. Ovakve stvari ce se dasavati i u buducnosti iz prostog razloga jer niko ne gradi infrastrukturu za ekstremne vremenske prilike koje se dese jednom u 100 godina, a ovakve temperature su prosli put zabelezene 1909te. To je kao prica o poplavama u Srbiji 2014te kada su se medjusobno optuzivali ko je kriv jer kanalizacija nije mogla da podnese nivo padavina 200% veci od proseka. Pa nije kriv niko, jer Srbija nema monsunske kise svake godine , kao sto ni Egipt nema mehanizaciju za uklanjaje snega, jer jednom u 30 godina padne 10 cm. Slazem se sa tonom posta, ali ne postoji razlika izmedju 'opsth interesa' i 'biznis interesa': i jedno i drugo reflektuje i agregira interese pojedinacnih ljudi (sto je jedino sto realno postoji) obzirom na situciju/stanje sveta/ u kojoj se oni nalaze (tj. obzirom na cene, na to koliko sta kosta), sto je jedini racionalan nacin definisanja tog pojma (interesa). U tom pogledu, nema smisla tvrditi npr. da je u 'opstem interesu' graditi infrastrukturu za '1 u 100 godina' nepogode, ali da to nije u 'biznis interesu' - prosto, ukoliko su ljudi spremni da plate (kroz direktno finansiranje, kroz cenu energije, kroz cenu osiguranja i slicno) izgradnju takve infrastrukture jos kako ce se naci biznisi ciji je interes da je isporuce; ukoliko je ne zele (tj ukoliko ne zele da plate) onda ona nije u opstem interesu, pa nije ni u necijem biznis interesu. Svaki od tih izbora moze biti racionalan, i oba* su uvek podjednako moralno legitimna. Ipak, ljudi su cesto u zabuni (i to je jedan od apsolutno centralnih problema) da se neke stvari mogu dobiti kroz KROZ POLITIKU a da se za njih ne plati puna cena, sto je ili verovanje u magiju - verovanje da politicari imaju neku vrecu iz koje mogu da izvade resurse (npr, neke bolje materijale, neke pametnije inzenjere) nedostupna drugim ljudima (tj. da ucine da stvari budu jeftinije nego sto bi inace bile) - ili zelja da se nesto otme komsije... * sto se tice pomenute Srbije, ona se tu nalaza ekstremno na jednom kraju spektra, jer tu postoji jedna ozbilja drustvena i kulturna (a onda i medijska i politicka) infrastruktura za ignorisanje rizika, gde niko zivi ne kupuje osiguranje ili gde se javni objekti (npr stadioni, kao onaj u Obrenovcu) bez ikakve zadrske podizu na poplavnom zemljistu itd... 20 hours ago, RatzenStadt said: Jel Kruz stvarno zapalio za Kankun? 🤔 To ne treba da cudi, ta slicica je samo jedan uski prozorcic kroz koji moze da se gvirne u ono cemu vodi moderni lisenkoizam u vidu zelene religije, borbe protiv jeftine i pouzdane energije (pogledajte recimo kako se zeleni/crveni zalazu za hidroenergiju samo tamo gde je skupa, inace su protiv), te protiv ekonomskog rasta, masovne proizvodnje (gledanje niz nos na 'konzumerizam', kapitalizam i td) i najsireg moguceg blagostanja generalno. Ono vodi upravo feudalizmu (narocito ovi maoisticki "zeleni skokovi napred"), gde ce gro proizvodnje biti usmereno za zadovoljenje potreba politicki mocnih ljudi (vlastele) dok ce ostali cekati u redovima da im odozgo kroz prozorcic proture dnevno sledovanje namirnica. Na cenu energije su najosetljiviji najugrozeniji i najsiromasniji slojevi drustva (i u SAD, a pogotovo na globalnom nivou), i danas svaki cenat poskupljenja struje kosta i u ljudskim zivotima, a ta cena krece da se naplacuju 'odozdo'. Npr: https://seemajayachandran.com/heating_mortality.pdf >>Abstract:This paper examines how the price of home heating affects mortality in the US. Exposure to cold is one reason that mortality peaks in winter, and a higher heating price increases exposure to cold by reducing heating use. In addition, a higher price raises energy bills, which could also affect health by decreasing other health-promoting spending. Our empirical approach combines spatial variation in the energy source used for home heating and temporal variation in the national prices of natural gas and electricity. We find that a lower heating price reduces winter mortality, driven mostly by cardiovascular and respiratory causes. The effect is especially large in high-poverty communities. << Edited February 19, 2021 by bohumilo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plavi Golub Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) Kakva tirada o zelenim izvorima i maoizmu! Neodrzavana proizvodna postrojenja gora nego kod maoista, terana do granice bez savremene opreme i prilagodjavanju vremenskim uslovima. Ono slepac sa snimka vidi. Zaledile im se cevi zbog vlage u prirodnom gasu i ispale gasne turbine kojih je preko 50% u ukupnoj instalisanoj snazi. Dakle bazni izvori za Teksas su ispali iz pogona. Veci deo drzave odvojen od spoljnih interkonekcija bez mogucnosti da dobije energiju spolja. Zeleni izvori i rade u kombinaciji sa base load, a ovde su i ovi drugi zasrali jer nisu prilagodje promenama vremenskih uslova. Krivi vetrogeneratori jer rade bez greajaca koji sluze za odmrzavanje u elstremnim uslovima. Jbt cist maoizam, ali malo sutra. Cist debilizam, a debelo utegnuto priglupo govno sa kolmovanom frizuricom pokusalo brze bolje da utekne sa radara. Da su placali potrosacima tzv expected energy not supplied po osnovu neisporucene usluge mogli bi da zatvore butigu. Kakvo spinerska tirada. Edited February 19, 2021 by Plavi Golub 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMX Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Ko nije ispratio, više OVDE 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kronostime Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, ters said: Mislim da ovakve stvari nisu za sprdnju - pomrese ljudi zbog hladnoce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ters Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Kronostime said: Mislim da ovakve stvari nisu za sprdnju - pomrese ljudi zbog hladnoce. Meni je zao tih ljudi - i ne pada mi na pamet da se sprdam sa njima. Ovoga iznad mi sa druge strane nije zao i mislim da je potpuno fer sprdati se sa njim. Edited February 19, 2021 by ters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonick Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 presidental candidate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ters Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, nonick said: presidental candidate Sta reci, kada Trampovo bacanje toalet papira u gomilu izgleda kao mnogo bolji i osmisljeniji odgovor na katastrofu... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bohumilo Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 U Teksasu svakako ima dovoljno ljudi koji razumeju sta je posao senatora u predstavnickoj liberalnoj demokratiji (kao i to da se Kruz valjanim vrsenjem svojih duznosti na tom mestu jeste preporucio za predsednickog kandidata, tu nema nista sporno). A ko u politcarima trazi opstenarodnu majku koja ce da stavi 'narod' u krilo i da mu kaze " 'odi, rode, da ti pojem", ili nekakvog poglavicu ili Vodju koji ce da ga vadi iz snega u Feketicima i nosi na krkacama 20 000 milja pod smetovima, recju, ko misli da je uloga politicara da "da odlije dje je prepunano, da potkrati dje je predugacko i da pregleda u celjadi zube" taj svakako ne glasa (i nece glasati) za Kruza, barem je u toj disciplini izbor dosta sirok (da ne kazem gust). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ters Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, bohumilo said: U Teksasu svakako ima dovoljno ljudi koji razumeju sta je posao senatora u predstavnickoj liberalnoj demokratiji (kao i to da se Kruz valjanim vrsenjem svojih duznosti na tom mestu jeste preporucio za predsednickog kandidata, tu nema nista sporno). A ko u politcarima trazi opstenarodnu majku koja ce da stavi 'narod' u krilo i da mu kaze " 'odi, rode, da ti pojem", ili nekakvog poglavicu ili Vodju koji ce da ga vadi iz snega u Feketicima i nosi na krkacama 20 000 milja pod smetovima, recju, ko misli da je uloga politicara da "da odlije dje je prepunano, da potkrati dje je predugacko i da pregleda u celjadi zube" taj svakako ne glasa (i nece glasati) za Kruza, barem je u toj disciplini izbor dosta sirok (da ne kazem gust). Naravno da razumeju- zato je Kruz ostao u Meksiku i porucio im da on valjano vrsi svoje duznosti i da se snadju bez njega. Edited February 20, 2021 by ters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnsonJ Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) Interni dokument u Coca Coli u US u okviru rasnog treninga trazi od zaposlenih da budu manje belji: Edited February 20, 2021 by JohnsonJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatzenStadt Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, ters said: Naravno da razumeju- zato je Kruz ostao u Meksiku i porucio im da on valjano vrsi svoje duznosti i da se snadju bez njega. Cemu taj osudjivacki ton? Covek je presao 1500km da bi svojoj porodici obezbedio toplotu doma, tekucu vodu, hranu i el. energiju. Od mene masivan respekt za pozrtvovanje porodicnog coveka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I demokrate peru ruke od Cuoma: A top member of President Joe Biden's COVID panel is distancing himself from New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, denying Cuomo's claim that he was a 'chief advisor'. Dr. Michael Osterholm, an infectious disease expert with the University of Minnesota, was the latest to distance himself from Cuomo as fallout grows from the governor's nursing home deaths scandal. Cuomo's administration had claimed Osterholm was a 'chief advisor' who spoke with the governor on a 'regular basis' -- claims the epidemiologist was quick to deny on Thursday. 'I've had one, five-minute conversation in my entire life with Governor Cuomo, just a few weeks ago when he called me, just to congratulate me on a TV program appearance,' Osterholm told the PBS program Firing Line. To je posle AOC A secam se u toku prosle godine kad sam ja tvrdila da je Cuomo kriminalac, da su me ovde prozivali za bias jer je demokrata. I jos uvek pokusava da krivi Trampa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ters Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Angelia said: I demokrate peru ruke od Cuoma: A top member of President Joe Biden's COVID panel is distancing himself from New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, denying Cuomo's claim that he was a 'chief advisor'. Dr. Michael Osterholm, an infectious disease expert with the University of Minnesota, was the latest to distance himself from Cuomo as fallout grows from the governor's nursing home deaths scandal. Cuomo's administration had claimed Osterholm was a 'chief advisor' who spoke with the governor on a 'regular basis' -- claims the epidemiologist was quick to deny on Thursday. 'I've had one, five-minute conversation in my entire life with Governor Cuomo, just a few weeks ago when he called me, just to congratulate me on a TV program appearance,' Osterholm told the PBS program Firing Line. To je posle AOC A secam se u toku prosle godine kad sam ja tvrdila da je Cuomo kriminalac, da su me ovde prozivali za bias jer je demokrata. I jos uvek pokusava da krivi Trampa... I koliko vidim niko ga ne brani - neka odgovara za sve sto je skrivio... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 3 hours ago, ters said: I koliko vidim niko ga ne brani - neka odgovara za sve sto je skrivio... Niko ga ni ne istrazuje niti optuzuje....cekam da vidim da li ce odgovarati, jer svi znamo da je odgovoran za hiljade smrti u domovima zbog politickih poena. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJORDJE Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 On 2/19/2021 at 6:02 PM, bohumilo said: U Teksasu svakako ima dovoljno ljudi koji razumeju sta je posao senatora u predstavnickoj liberalnoj demokratiji (kao i to da se Kruz valjanim vrsenjem svojih duznosti na tom mestu jeste preporucio za predsednickog kandidata, tu nema nista sporno). A ko u politcarima trazi opstenarodnu majku koja ce da stavi 'narod' u krilo i da mu kaze " 'odi, rode, da ti pojem", ili nekakvog poglavicu ili Vodju koji ce da ga vadi iz snega u Feketicima i nosi na krkacama 20 000 milja pod smetovima, recju, ko misli da je uloga politicara da "da odlije dje je prepunano, da potkrati dje je predugacko i da pregleda u celjadi zube" taj svakako ne glasa (i nece glasati) za Kruza, barem je u toj disciplini izbor dosta sirok (da ne kazem gust). Realno, senator nije sef komunalne sluzbe ili elektrodistribucije da bi u ovoj situaciji morao da bude na mestu dogadjaja, medjutim cela stvar je konstrukcija medija. Daleko od toga da branim Kruza, koji je americka varijanta Homeinija. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ters Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DJORDJE said: Realno, senator nije sef komunalne sluzbe ili elektrodistribucije da bi u ovoj situaciji morao da bude na mestu dogadjaja, medjutim cela stvar je konstrukcija medija. Daleko od toga da branim Kruza, koji je americka varijanta Homeinija. Pa valjda bi politicar trebao znati sta mediji mogu a sta ne? Realno, mogao je ostati u Meksiku, Beto i AOC su ga svakako izvrgli javnom podsmijehu. Koji i zasluzuje. Edited February 21, 2021 by ters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deez nuts. Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 U Teksasu svakako ima dovoljno ljudi koji razumeju sta je posao senatora u predstavnickoj liberalnoj demokratiji (kao i to da se Kruz valjanim vrsenjem svojih duznosti na tom mestu jeste preporucio za predsednickog kandidata, tu nema nista sporno). A ko u politcarima trazi opstenarodnu majku koja ce da stavi 'narod' u krilo i da mu kaze " 'odi, rode, da ti pojem", ili nekakvog poglavicu ili Vodju koji ce da ga vadi iz snega u Feketicima i nosi na krkacama 20 000 milja pod smetovima, recju, ko misli da je uloga politicara da "da odlije dje je prepunano, da potkrati dje je predugacko i da pregleda u celjadi zube" taj svakako ne glasa (i nece glasati) za Kruza, barem je u toj disciplini izbor dosta sirok (da ne kazem gust).Vidi tedija vodonose, ne zna sta mu je posao... [emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bohumilo Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) On 2/19/2021 at 4:43 PM, Plavi Golub said: Kakva tirada o zelenim izvorima i maoizmu! Neodrzavana proizvodna postrojenja gora nego kod maoista, terana do granice bez savremene opreme i prilagodjavanju vremenskim uslovima. Ono slepac sa snimka vidi. Zaledile im se cevi zbog vlage u prirodnom gasu i ispale gasne turbine kojih je preko 50% u ukupnoj instalisanoj snazi. Dakle bazni izvori za Teksas su ispali iz pogona. Veci deo drzave odvojen od spoljnih interkonekcija bez mogucnosti da dobije energiju spolja. Zeleni izvori i rade u kombinaciji sa base load, a ovde su i ovi drugi zasrali jer nisu prilagodje promenama vremenskih uslova. Krivi vetrogeneratori jer rade bez greajaca koji sluze za odmrzavanje u elstremnim uslovima. Jbt cist maoizam, ali malo sutra. Cist debilizam, a debelo utegnuto priglupo govno sa kolmovanom frizuricom pokusalo brze bolje da utekne sa radara. Da su placali potrosacima tzv expected energy not supplied po osnovu neisporucene usluge mogli bi da zatvore butigu. Kakvo spinerska tirada. Kakav maoizam, tamo je lepo napisano da je ovo "samo jedan uski prozorcic kroz koji moze da se gvirne u ono cemu vodi moderni lisenkoizam". Dakle ni lisenkoizam nije sui generis optuzen za ova dogadjanja (no, strpljenja, bice u nastavku ovog posta), vec je ukazano da kroz njih moze da se vidi kako izgleda i koga najvise kosta borba protiv ekonomskog rasta i jeftine i dostupne energije, a koja jeste jedna od manifestacija modernog lisenkoizma. Ovde vredi ukratko podsetiti tko je taj i sto je taj "lisenkoizam". Well, Trofim Denisovic Lisenko je bivsi (los, bez zadovoljavajuceg poznavanja matematike, statistike ili logickog rezonovanja, kako su kasniji uvidi u njegove studije pokazali) student Kijevskog poljoprivrednog instituta koji je tvrdio da je otkrio toliko efikasan metod vernalizacije (to je postupak ubrzavanja cvetanja hladjenjem semena) koji ne samo da ucetvorostrucuje prinos biljaka, nego i informaciju naucenu vernalizacijom prenosi na svoje potomstvo, koje nece imati potrebu za daljom vernalizacijom. Kada su iole pismeni ljudi pokusali da ga urazume i da mu objasne da se to krsi sa najelemntarnijim genetickim i evolucionistickim principima koji se uce u osnovnoj skoli (npr. da se stecene osobine NE prenose na potomstvo), nas drug Trofim je takvi kritiku odbacio tvrdnjom (sto je metod koji koriste i danasnji postmoderni lisenkoisti) da su genetika i evoluciona biologije burzoaske i kapitalistike kojestarije. Takav "genijalni" a pride "politicki korektan" pronalazac je brzo kooptiran u najvise esalone komunsticke strahovlade, te je brzo (bez obzira sto nikada u zivotu nije cuo za Mendela) postavljen za direktora Genetickog instituta, gde su drugu Trofimu sirom otvorena vrata da sprovede svoje izume u delo (ali ne pre nego sto pobije oko 3000 biologa, geneticara i botanicara, pod optuzbama za izdaju revolucije i klase, propagiranje burzoaske nauke i opste surovanje sa neprijateljem). Osim lisenkoisticke vernalizacije, drug Trofim je dosao i do gomile drugih sjajnih otkrica, npr. da su pesticidi ili ideja da izmedju sadnica treba ostaviti neki razmak takodje nepotrebna kapitalisticka izmisljotina (sta ce im razmak kad prema Knjizi svako radi prema mogucnostima a uzima prema potrebama?), ili da je moguce naterati (pticicu) crnoglavku da rodi kukavicu ako se nahrani gusenicama koje kukavice jedu (jer je, je li tako, to jedino moguce objasnjenja za uocenu pojavu da se iz crnoglavkinog gnezda nekada izlegu male kukavice) - sto je ukazalo da mogucnosti komunisticke transormacije vrsta nisu limitirane (sad ce moci od svega da se napravi krava ili svinja) itd, isl. - sjajni drug Trofim, levo E, sve je to islo lepo i glatko sve dok nisu dosle zetve i dok drug Trofim i drugovi iz komiteta nisu bili prinudjeni da se suoce sa cinjenicom (koju postmodernisti u SAD ne priznaju) da napolju postoji JEDNA i OBJEKTIVNA realnost koja je potpuno nezavisno od necije ideologije i ugla gledanja, da crnoglavka objektivno moeze ili ne moze da se pomocu marksizma pretvori u kukavicu, da biljke objektivno mogu ili ne mogu da prenose stecene osibine, da sadnicama treba ili ne treba odgovarajuci razmak da bi uspele, i da ako ne uspeju nemas cime da nahranis ljude ciju si zemlju oteo, a da covek (u ovom slucaju se radilo o milionima ljudi) koji ne jede ima obicaj i da umre. A naravno, u totalitarnim i iracionalnim sistemima udaranjem glavom o zid nije poziv na preispitivanje ideologije nego poziv na pronalazenje "nenarodnih elemenata koji postavljaju klipove u tockove revolucije" i slicno...Drug Trofim je, tako, bio u poziciji moci sve dok Koba nije odapeo, pa je tek onda doslo i po njega i odvelo ga. Od njegovog delovanja se ruska genetika, biologija, botanika i nauke o zivotu generalno jos nisu opooravile, i to je jos jedan dodatni razlog za skepsu prema ruskoj vakcini. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eh, sada, u nasem slucaju ja lisenkoizam identifikujem u ideoloski slepackom insistiranju i subvencionisanju neprofitabilnih (tj. drustveno stetnih, skupih, neopravdanih, nepouzdanih) izvora energija, koji najekstremniji zagovornici otvoreno koriste kao alat za unistenje civilizacije i vracanje u feudalizam (jedan od kljucnih argumenata levice protiv nuklearne energije je da ona mozda resava energetski problem ali ne resava "problem" patrijarhata, kapitalizma, belokostva i ostalih stvari koje njima stoje na putu). Na primer, prethodne decenije je potroseno preko 80 mlrd na subvencije vetro- i solarne enrgije samo u Teksasu, sto je 80 milijardi realnih resursa (uvek insistiram na tome, dakle 80 mlrd inzenjera, cistacica, benzina, struje, alata, opreme, sendvica sa krastavcima i td - mozda BAS resursa koji bi se iskoristili za spremanje mreze za ekstremnu zimu) NEOPRAVDANO preusmerenih iz drugih ekonomskih grana (ukljucujuci druge izvore energije) ka zelenoj energiji. Ono sto jos treba razumeti je da sto ima vise nepouzdane energije to su pouzdani izvori time SKUPLJI po jedinici proizvodene energije (jer moraju da se spreme da brzo uskoce kada ovi otkazu, i podnesu teret snabdevanja sa mnogo vecim kapacitetom nego inace) pa im time ostaje jos manje resursa za pripremu na statisticki ekstremne uslove, skuplji za odrzavanje, prinudjeni su da smanje tzv "marginu rezerve" itd. S druge strane, u ekstremnim uslovima doprinos subvencionisanih i nagradjenih izvora je potpuno iscezao: I ovo nije samo u Teksasu, ovakva je situacija bila u mnogim drugim drzavama. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A sto se tice maoizma, njega sam jasno pomenuo u kontekstu Green Leap Forward-a (kako je taj antihumanisticki projekat koji reklamira retardirana vkv sankerica lucidno nazvao Nil Ferguson, jedan od najvecih istoricara danasnjice - aludirajuci naravno na najveci udruzeni zlocinacki poduhvat u istoriji civilizacije), ali on je lako identifikabilan u ovoj totalitarnoj ideologiji koja je zagustila u Americi negde od 2013. godine, a posebno uvrhunivsi izlivanjem crnokosuljaskog smrada na americke ulice prosle godine, podrzanog i finansiranog izmedju ostalog od strane ove lesine u Beloj kuci i njegove zamenice, od kada imamo priliku da svakodnevno prisustvujemo maoistickim "struggle" sesijama sirom amerike: Edited February 21, 2021 by bohumilo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plavi Golub Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, bohumilo said: no sto jos treba razumeti je da sto ima vise nepouzdane energije to su pouzdani izvori time SKUPLJI po jedinici proizvodene energije (jer moraju da se spreme da brzo uskoce kada ovi otkazu, i podnesu teret snabdevanja sa mnogo vecim kapacitetom nego inace) pa im time ostaje jos manje resursa za pripremu na statisticki eksptemne uslove, skuplji za odrzavanje, prinudjeni su da smanje tzv "marginu rezerve" itd. S druge strane, u ekstremnim uslovima doprinos subvencionisanih i nagradjenih izvora je potpuno iscezao: Planirani konzum jedne oblasti ili interkonekcije gde se pri planiranju uracunavaju i odstupanja u vremenskim uslovima se u instalisanim izvorima pokriva iz deterministickih izvora. Ne planiraju se instalisani kapciteti da budu knap instalisanoj potrosnji. Instalisna rezerva i ona operativna nisu iste stvari. Redovni remonti se planiraju, a takodje racuna i nahavarijske. Sposobnost uskakanja ima veze sa tipom goriva i konstrukcijom agregata. Nuklearke npr. ne uskacu nigde. Nije valjda da su naterali ih jadne privatnike da ulazu u nepouzdane zelene izvore, u solarne panele bese, pa sirotinja raja privatnicka nije imala peneze da ulozi u obaveznu rezervu, rotrajuci i nerotirajucu. Kako su radili bez operativne rezerve, na nozu, kad nijedan sistem ne sme da radi tako, interkonektovan ili ne? U tehnickom smislu ne sme, nema veze ko vlada kapitalizama feudalizam, ne sme. Kaznjivo je gde ima reda. Ko ih je to naterao kad posluju za sebe i upravo zato i nisu u interkonekciji i deregulisani su nacisto? Quote The problems are exacerbated because Texas, the largest energy producer and consumer in the United States, is the only state to use its own power grid. That frees it from federal regulations, including ones that could have required it to be better prepared for a freak cold snap, said Peter Fox-Penner, the founder of Boston University’s Institute for Sustainable Energy. “Texas’ deregulatory philosophy has caused them to put much less stringent rules on generators and system operators to be prepared for cold weather than other systems, where extreme cold is more common,” he said in an interview. “They believed that this kind of ‘perfect storm’ was so unlikely that they didn’t need to require the system to prepare for it,” Fox-Penner said. The Railroad Commission of Texas, which despite its name regulates the oil and natural gas industry in the state but not any railroads, said that the weather had stopped fossil fuel production in some parts of the state. "Some producers, especially in the Permian Basin and Panhandle, have reported experiencing unprecedented freezing conditions which caused concerns for employee safety and affected production," the Commission announced Monday. The one-two punch of the storm and sudden power outages have caused wide-reaching damage across the state. For the Fagan Family Farms, a small independent organic produce farm in Kyle, Texas, lost produce from the cold snap was bad enough, but the power outage was devastating. They had about $20,000 worth of lettuce growing in the electrically heated growhouse, owner Shawn Fagan said — about a fifth of his annual business — and that's now all lost. "I had the next generation growing in the growhouse,” he said by phone. “Not only do I not have anything in the field, I don't have anything to put in the field now.” Prevedno na jezik uglja ili vode, sacekali su zimu praznih deponija ili akumulacija, tacnije nedvoljno punih skladista gasa gde proizvodjaci elektricne energije konkurisu maloprodaji. Odakle ovima po obodu drzave para? Nego su se smrzli pri "statisticki" ekstremnim uslovima pre deset godina (ono kao opet hiljadugodisnje poplave), pa naucili. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fact-check-renewable-energy-not-blame-texas-energy-crisis-n1258185 Quote Now, Texas is under the microscope, with experts pointing to the state's deregulated energy grid (and its lack of cold weather preparation) as the culprits. Data from Texas makes clear that renewable energy failures have played only a small part in the crisis. The Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which plays the role of traffic cop for Texas' energy providers, directing energy from producers to distributors, predicted that this winter would see wind produce about 7,070 megawatts at peak load times. By the council's own daily figures, wind power in Texas has produced between 4,415 and 8,087 megawatts at peak times since the storm began. By contrast, the state's "thermal fleet" — mostly natural gas, but also including coal and nuclear power — has been down significantly more, leading to a shortfall of 30,000 megawatts, the council told the local news outlet WKYC. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/why-texas-energy-grid-unable-handle-winter-storms-n1258049 Quote Historically, Texas’ days of high energy demands are always in the summer, Magness said. “We were seeing demand forecasts that were close to a summer peak,” he said. The state’s two largest sources of energy, natural gas and nonhydroelectric renewables, such as wind turbines and solar power, were all severely hampered by the winter storm. Conservative critics blamed the power outages on a failure of green energy, but that doesn't explain the problem. Wind and solar generate about only 21 percent of the state's electrical power. Instead, natural gas, which powers half the state's electrical generation — by far the largest source — was in use by home furnaces, and some power plants couldn't get enough. “In the winter, it’s harder to get natural gas supplies, because they’re much more in demand for home heating and uses like that,” he said. Severe wind and snow have interfered with some natural gas equipment and frozen wind turbines, and the overcast weather has drastically slowed solar panel production, he said. Recommended https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/texas-blackout-preventable/ Quote In November, when the officials who run Texas’s main electric grid took stock of whether the system could handle the coming winter, they felt confident. There would, even under “extreme conditions,” be plenty of power. But last week, an arctic blast mocked their assessment, freezing in about 40 percent of the grid’s power-generation capacity and throwing much of the state into the cold and dark. How could the state’s energy managers have gotten things so wrong? The fiasco has intensified a long-running fight between fans of renewable energy and backers of fossil fuels, with critics of wind power, which generates 23 percent of Texas’s electricity, blaming the intermittent energy source for the grid’s unreliability. But those attacks are little more than a distraction from two more fundamental problems the polar vortex laid bare. Texans’ thirst for cheap energy—aided by the energy industry’s hunger for profits—left the state’s power sector ill-prepared to weather a winter storm that other states, including neighboring Oklahoma and New Mexico, have weathered far better than Texas has. And the backward-looking regimen that state energy officials use to forecast the weather—a methodology that minimizes the effect of such intensifying factors as climate change, which scientists say can make winter storms more brutal—may have led them to underestimate the approaching storm’s fury. A wide cast of characters throughout Texas’s lightly regulated power sector appear to have failed to heed experts’ long-standing warnings, notably in the wake of a similar series of outages almost exactly a decade ago. In February 2011, an ice storm struck the state, crippling power plants and forcing rolling blackouts. After that disaster, lawmakers and regulators studied how the state’s electric and natural-gas infrastructure needed to be shored up, as in other states, to withstand punishingly deep and extended winter freezes. Key recommendations from various experts were to require winterizing of power-generating equipment and fuel-delivery infrastructure such as gas pipelines, and to provide for reserve generating capacity that would be needed when demand surged or when some providers went offline. Both moves would impose somewhat higher costs and result in marginally higher electric rates. But they might have averted the much higher costs Texans now face for business disruption, broken pipes, flooding, and spiking electric bills—not to mention human suffering and death. https://www.ft.com/content/adc21f2b-ccf7-4b8b-8604-53cae556a7dd?segmentId=776b81d7-dd92-c731-e669-99cdd37d3a96 Quote Grid operators had anticipated record demand as the cold blast neared, but they did not expect so many plants to buckle under the strain. A full inquiry into what went wrong will take weeks to complete, but it is clear that wind farms were not the only problem. As a grid official said last Tuesday: “It appears that a lot of the generation that has gone offline today has been primarily due to issues on the natural gas system.” In addition, Texas is not called the Lone Star State for nothing. Unlike other states, it relies almost entirely on its own power grid. This has had benefits but also meant that, last week, it could not easily import electricity to make up for shortfalls. Another weakness of the Texas power system is a lack of incentives for companies to make the investments needed to ensure energy infrastructure can withstand extreme weather. This is not a new problem. Federal regulators warned a decade ago, when another bitter cold front led to blackouts, that the state’s power plants might struggle in a repeat episode. As some commentators have noted, wind farms run in much icier places than Texas, from Sweden to Minnesota. But “winterising” them with cold weather kits can cost $150,000 per turbine. In balmy Texas, “summerisation” of turbines and other power equipment, to ensure they can deal with heatwaves, might seem more obvious — which underlines another troubling aspect of last week’s blackouts. Scientists have warned for years that a changing climate would lead to more extreme and unpredictable weather. Texas has shown the dangers of underestimating the risks this poses for infrastructure. Finally, it is clear that today’s power systems have one very reliable feature. Whenever blackouts strike, some critics will instantly blame renewables and the politicians who back them. When the lights went out in California last summer, the Texas Republican Senator Ted Cruz tweeted that the Democrat-run state was “now unable to perform even basic functions of civilization, like having reliable electricity”. The senator’s Twitter feed was quieter when his home state went dark. This is good. Politicising something as vital and basic as electricity never made sense. Texas has just given a masterclass in why it should end. Nigde ni da pomenu da je preinvestiranje u solarne panele ostavilo kauboje bez kesa. Sta ti je pusta komunisticka stampa. Da Sunce sutra izadje na pogresnoj strani neba, opet bi ovde izaslo masa "euditiskih" carsava da objasni "priglupim" libtardima ko je kriv. Uz obavezno, ja tebi vojvodo, ti meni serdaru 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 22 hours ago, ters said: I koliko vidim niko ga ne brani - neka odgovara za sve sto je skrivio... Ipak se nasao Biden da ga brani....Ko zna mozda ga jos uvek imenuje za AG.... Karl pushed: 'All right. But, Jen, my question was, does President Biden still believe that Andrew Cuomo is the gold standard – represents the gold standard on leadership during this pandemic? Just a yes or no. Does he still consider him a gold standard?' 'Well, it doesn't always have to be a yes or no answer, Jon,' she shot back. 'I think the president is focused on his goals, his objectives as president of the United States,' Psaki continued. 'He's going to continue to work with Governor Cuomo, just like he'll continue to work with governors across the country.' 'And I'm not here to give new labels or names from the president. I'm here to communicate with you about what our focuses are and what his objectives are as president.' ...... Psaki defended Cuomo on Sunday during her interview with ABC News. 'He plays an important role in insuring that we're coordinating closely and getting assistance out to people of his state and to states across the country,' she said. 'And we'll continue to do that.' 'We're going to continue to work with a range of governors including, of course, Governor Cuomo because we think the people of New York, the people of states across the country, need assistance not just to get through the pandemic but to get through this difficult economic time, and that's where our focus remains,' Biden's press secretary continued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bohumilo Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, Plavi Golub said: Nije valjda da su naterali ih jadne privatnike da ulazu u nepouzdane zelene izvore, u solarne panele bese Ko ih je to naterao kad posluju za sebe? Nije niko nikoga naterao, svako ulaze u ono sto je profitabilnije. Samo je problem kada profitabilnost biznisa ne odslikava realni drusveni benefit koji on proizvodi (uzeo je resurse vrednosti X i transformisao ih u nesto vrednosti Y, napravio profit Y-X), vec odslikava odluku nekih komesara - baziranu sto na cistom lisenkoizmu sto na licnoj koristi - koja se manifestuje kroz subvencionisanje nekih biznisa. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deez nuts. Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Treba subvencionisati samo ugalj i smederevac. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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