Angelia

To ce verovatno racunati na kraju, ali ne mozes ni svo povecanje smrtnosti racunati u coronu, prosto jer ce se smrtnost povecati usled corone, znaci oni koji ne stignu do adekvatne nege, overdose, samoubistva, porodicno nasilje....

To ne znam kako ce kasnije raditi. Ne znam da li Nemacka to primenjuje, Francuska jeste kad su ono naprasno imali ogroman broj umrlih iz domova, koji nisu ni bili testirani. Worldmeters.com tako racuna: Total Cases = reported total cumulative count of detected and laboratory (and sometimes, depending on the country reporting them and the criteria adopted at the time, also clinically) confirmed positive and sometimes - depending on the country reporting standards - also presumptive, suspect, or probable cases of detected infection. Because it represents a cumulative count (rather than a snapshot of the number of current cases at any given time), this number can't decrease. The size of the gap between detected (whether confirmed, suspect or probable) and reported cases versus actual cases will depend on the number of tests performed and on the country's transparency in reporting. Most estimates have put the number of undetected cases at several multiples of detected cases. US tako prijavljuje slucajeve - onomad kad je NY dodao oko 4,000 to su bili ti "moguci".

Pa to su uradili i sada, imas CDC preporuku kako da se racunaju "moguce smrti" od Covida, i dosta zemalja tako i prijavljuje, deo je onih koji jesu testirani na virus i umrli nakon toga, a deo je onih za koje je moguce da su umrli od virusa.

Gradski prevoz ne koristim, ni liftove - sve je zatvoreno. Kad idem u prodavnicu perem ruke nakon toga. Ako nas delimicno otvore pa budem vise koristila te neke javne povrsine gde nije dostupno uvek prati ruke, trudicu se da ruke dezinfikujem. Posto mrzim one tecnosti, jer stalno imam osecaj da su mi ruke lepljive, kupila sam maramice koje mogu da ubacim u torbu i idu samnom. Imam i ja problem sa kosom ali je sad redovno vezujem kad izlazim

Taj ko se pipa po licu, ce to raditi i sa rukavicama, videla ja u praksi. Cak to rade vise jer imaju osecaj da su "zasticeni".

Pa ako je tacno po procenama da je oko 500 mil bilo zarazeno a 50 mil umrlo....a za coronu se sad racuna bilo sta izmedju 0.11% pa do 5-6% sa ocekivanjem da ce biti ipak negde ispod 0.5% - valjda je jasno da je bio smrtonosniji. Mozda. Pretpostavka je da je cak poceo iz US.

Iskreno receno, ja do sada nisam videla poentu rukavica, osim ako ne radis u nekoj logistici, prodavnici, i sl.

Meni se cini da je spanska groznica imala mnogo vecu smrtnost - neke procene koje sam citala su da su od nje umrle desetina miliona. Mozda gresim.....

Ne vidim kako je ovo odgovor na moje pitanje. Hoces da kazes da je Spanska groznica?

Vidi paralela sa pandemijom 1918 se razmatrala, nemam sta da prigovorim autoru, samo mi nije jasno zasto si okacila text.

Uh sta ustvari poredis, Philadelphia organizovala paradu usred epidemije.... Ko je ikad rekao da treba praviti parade?

Zato sto je izuzetno bitan na medjunarodnom planu, na unutrasnjem planu njegova je uloga jako limitirana. Ono gde je bitna tice se ekonomije. Zato ces cesto i cuti da dosta amera i ne zna ko im je predsednik Pricas napamet. FEMA i rezerve se ne prave za 3 godine, znaci to sto je on imao u rezervama, to je ono sto je standardno bilo to, a nesto cak i propalo. Mislim nemam pojma sta si ocekivao da Tramp uradi sa CDC testovima, da ide da ih proverava? Pa znalo se da je CDC lenj, i pun Dems koji nece raditi s njim. Oni su cak imali i povecan budzet da rade, znali su jos od SARSa da postoji mogucnost da se nesto ovako desi (to je ista CDC postavka koja je bila u to vreme), i nista nisu uradili? Postoje mozda stvari koje je trebalo proveriti u toku tri godine, medjutim on je morao da se bavi i Mullerom i inpichmentom, umesto da radi svoj posao, da ne pominjemo stalno spoticanje od strane Kongresa.

Military flyovers meant to honor health care workers and unify Americans during the coronavirus pandemic may have united people just a little too closely on Tuesday. Crowds in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania flocked outside to watch the show put on by the U.S. Air Force's Thunderbirds and Navy's Blue Angels. Some people stuck to social distancing guidelines — but others did not. Photos and videos taken from various vantage points show people failing to stay six feet apart from one another, and some spectators were seen without masks. It is now required in New York that people wear a mask or other facial covering when social distancing isn't possible. Svi naucili lekciju. Nemoj pogresno da me razumes, ljudi na East Coast su veoma obazrivi i odgovorni, ali ako mislis da NYC zivi u strahu, gresis.

US regulators authorized Sunday emergency use of a coronavirus antibody test that is more than 99% accurate, addressing concerns about high false positive rates that have plagued some of the first tests. The test is made by Roche, a Swiss giant in the pharmaceutical and diagnostics industries. Roche said Sunday it will boost its manufacturing to produce "high double-digit millions per month" of the test. .... It will take about 18 minutes to process a single test, with Roche's devices able to run up to 300 tests per hour in an automated fashion, the company said. https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-antibody-test-more-99-141057975.html

Kad je ovakav dan: Hodanje je ponekad overrated

Exclusive federal powers Concurrent powers Exclusive state powers Coining money Taxation Conducting elections Regulating interstate and foreign commerce Lawmaking and enforcement Establishing local governments Regulating the mail Chartering banks and corporations Providing for public safety, health, welfare Declaring war Taking land for public use (eminent domain) Maintaining militia Raising armies Establishing courts Ratifying Constitutional amendments Conducting foreign affairs Borrowing money Regulating intrastate commerce Establishing inferior courts Establishing rules of naturalization Only the federal government can coin money, regulate the mail, declare war, or conduct foreign affairs.... States conduct all elections, even presidential elections, and must ratify constitutional amendments. So long as their laws do not contradict national laws, state governments can prescribe policies on commerce, taxation, healthcare, education, and many other issues within their state. Prouci pa se javi sa pitanjima, a kao odgovor na tvoja konkretna pitanja: Jel mogao da zabrani izvoz medicinskog materijala i da otkupi sve kako bi se napravile rezerve ? - mogao je ali to bi verovatno znacilo i obustavu uvoza, jer druge zemlje ne bi prihvatile da samo obustavi izvoz, sto bi verovatno bilo daleko stetnije za USA Jel mogao da pokerene pripreme za karantin ? Pitanje nejasno - karantin je odgovornost pojedinacnih drzava, on je uradio ono sto je obaveza federalne vlade, objavio national emergency, i dao im pristup federalnim fondovima, sproveo federalnu pomoc... Jel mogao da uvede zabrane putovanja tamo gde virus hara ? Samo na medjunarodnom nivou, sto je i uradio. Mozemo da raspravljamo da li je to uradio dovoljno brzo, iako zabranu putovanja iz Kine je uveo nasuprot preporuke WHO Jel mogao da pokrene istraživačke centre ranije ? Pitanje nejasno - istrazivacki centri rade, nezavisno od njega Jel mogao da prestane da priča o teorijama zavere i da upozori javnost na ozbiljnost korone ? Da, mogao je, ako su znali ozbiljnost ranije, i ako nije morao da misli na ekonomiju, i medjunarodne odnose.

Ima ingerencija na odredjene poteze koji pospesuju ekonomiju. Znaci - nezaposlenost, ima uticaja, lokalne odluke nema.

Imam, lockdown koji se sprovodi u izbornoj godini, sa samo politickim ciljevima, a ne sa najboljim namerama. I naravno DTS, gde su ljudi spremni da rade nerazumne stvari samo da se ne sloze sa Trampom.

Nedovoljno vezbanja, ovih dana konacno mogla da izadjem u normalnu setnju, ono brzi hod za malo vezbanja. Totalno se zadihala za 2.5 km. A inace i nedostatak socijalnog kontakta pocinje da uzima svoju cenu....

Pa vidi, ovo je PA, nemam pojma sta ce ovo da otvori, samo crkve, da ne pominjemo da su ovo counties koje imaju do 100 slucajeva: The following counties will be in the yellow phase effective 12:01 a.m., May 8, 2020: Bradford, Cameron, Centre, Clarion, Clearfield, Clinton, Crawford, Elk, Erie, Forest, Jefferson, Lawrence, Lycoming, McKean, Mercer, Montour, Northumberland, Potter, Snyder, Sullivan, Tioga, Union, Venango, and Warren. As regions or counties move into the yellow phase, some restrictions on work and social interaction will ease while others, such as closures of schools, gyms, and other indoor recreation centers, hair and nail salons, as well as limitations around large gatherings, remain in place. This purpose of this phase is to begin to power back up the economy while keeping a close eye on the public health data to ensure the spread of disease remains contained to the greatest extent possible. YELLOW PHASE WORK & CONGREGATE SETTING RESTRICTIONS Telework Must Continue Where Feasible Businesses with In-Person Operations Must Follow Business and Building Safety Orders Child Care Open Complying with Guidance Congregate Care and Prison Restrictions in Place Schools Remain Closed for In-Person Instruction SOCIAL RESTRICTIONS Stay at Home Order Lifted for Aggressive Mitigation Large Gatherings of More Than 25 Prohibited In-Person Retail Allowable, Curbside and Delivery Preferable Indoor Recreation, Health and Wellness Facilities and Personal Care Services (such as gyms, spas, hair salons, nail salons and other entities that provide massage therapy), and all Entertainment (such as casinos, theaters) Remain Closed Restaurants and Bars Limited to Carry-Out and Delivery Only

Cuomo pointed to the roughly 900 new coronavirus cases that hospitals in New York are still reporting daily and the fact that officials do not know where those infections are coming from, as reason enough to continue keeping the Empire State shut down. The governor also released the preliminary results of a statewide antibody survey of about 15,000 people showing that 12.3% had been previously infected with the virus. It confirmed the results of another test with a smaller sample size released about 10 days ago showing that one in five New York City residents has had the virus, with the Bronx borough seeing the highest number positive for antibodies at 27.6%.

Sluzi da bude federalna drzava, 50 razlicitih drzava. Po milioniti put, Trump nema ingerencije ni nad zdravstvenim radnicima, ni policijom, ni vatrogascima, komunalcima i slicno. Svaka drzava za sebe - pa kako se kome zalomilo. Eto Baby ima vise slobode od mene, jbga kad mere odredjuje politika a ne razum.

Vratila si se nazad na vojsku. Zivot ne moze biti ultimativna vrednost, posto smo uvek spremni da ga zrtvujemo za neko vece dobro, bilo to sloboda, ili zdravlje vise ljudi i boljitak drustva. Tako je oduvek bilo, i nista se nije promenilo, osim da neki poturaju tu pricu, kad ni prakticno to nije istina. Nema tu razvodnjavanja price o ljudima koji zive u losijim uslovima, o siromasnima i slicno. “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Ja jela sumske par godina za redom, zadnji put pre 2-3 godine, moja mama pricala kako volim sumske jagode, i svake godine kad navratim u SR u pravo vreme, tetka me doceka sa kanticom pravih sumskih jagoda (skupljenih iz shume). Dok sam bila u UK nasla neke slicne, bile su krupnije i lepse na oko, ali nisu imale isti ukus, ili miris. U zadnje 2-3 godine omasila to pravo vreme, i u zamenu dobila kanticu kajmaka mislim od tetke...

Ja Baby, mogu komotno da sedim u kuci, i setam po okolini, narednih 10 godina i da mi osim mojih najblizih i sloboda, nista drugo ne nedostaje. Ti razumes da je ovo filozofska rasprava o ceni koju drustvo placa (nekih tamo 100 miliona), a ne ja licno? Edit: btw samo odgovori na pitanje o lekovima, pa da diskutujemo moralni aspekt, a ne licne predispozicije