40Wins Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Mislim da je ipak Vasilije kao prevodilac vise relevantan za diskusiju imenovanja jezika. A ako vam je vec to zapelo, mozda se premestite na drugu temu, kao npr jezicke nedoumice (nedoumice jezickog imenovanja), posto je trenutno ova tema posvecenja Izrael-Gaza konfliktu. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama_mia Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) Sky News presenter Kay Burley asked Eylon Levy whether Israel releasing 150 Palestinian prisoners in return for 50 hostages meant “that Israel thinks the lives of Palestinians are valued less than Israelis?” ....to je primer onih voditelja/ki/anal izatora i raznih komentatora....I o cemu se tu radi, o nekoj kolicini tupavosti, neznanja ili bezobrazluka....kao da joj licno rashida tlaib sapuce pitanje Potpuno je sokiran: Edited November 23, 2023 by Mama_mia 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Kronostime said: ... i u radikalnu desnicu. Zanemarljivo malo...pogledaj koledze, I drustvene mreze. Ono mladih desnicara bukvalno ko da nema. Jasno je I po ponasanju univerziteta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwin Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) Gila Gamlijel, Netanjahuova ministarka špijunaže, u autorskom članku u Jerusalem Postu poziva na etničko čišćenje Palestinaca iz Pojasa Gaze tako što će biti raseljeni po svetu nazivajući to pobedom za sve. Spoiler Link na članak na engleskom: https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-773713 _____________________________________________ Ajelet Šaked, bivša ministarka pravde (u 34. vladi Izraela tj. IV Netanjahuovoj vladi), a zatim i unutrašnjih poslova (u 36. vladi Izraela tj. Benet-Lapidovoj vladi), kaže da posle pretvaranja Han Junisa (najveći grad na jugu Pojasa Gaze) u fudbalsko igralište treba iskoristiti sve to rušenje radi podsticanja na odlazak svih 2 miliona Palestinaca i reklo svim zemljama sveta da ih prime, makar po 20 ili 50 hiljada. Spoiler _____________________________________________ Giora Ejland, penzionisani general i bivši prvi čovek Saveta za nacionalnu bezbednost poziva na podsticanje humanitarne katastrofe i zaraze u Pojasu Gaze radi lakšeg ostvarivanja vojnih ciljeva. Po Vikipediji ovaj lik redovno piše kolumne za Jediot Ahronot i u njima je pre ovog najnovijeg sranja pozivao Izrael da prizna Hamas kao legitimnu vlast i prestane da pokušava da ga obori, onemogući povratak Fataha u Pojas Gaze, kao i da anektira najveći deo Zapadne obale, a da Egipat (!) zauzvrat Palestincima da deo Sinaja. Quote Izvor: Spoiler Netanjahuov ministar finansija Smotrič naravno kaže da se slaže sa svakom reči. Spoiler Prevod: Quote I agree with every word of Giora Eiland in this column. Edited November 23, 2023 by erwin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selina Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Esli said: Prošle nedelje su izraelski influenseri širili lažni snimak medicinske sestre iz Al Šife koja na lošem arapskom priča kako ih Hamas maltretira. Takođe su objavili i spisak navodnog raspored rada Hamas operativaca koji se zovu (paz sad) Al Džume, Al Sabt, Al Ahad... Čekamo da nam konačno pokažu taj komandni centar Hamasa na više nivoa o kome pričaju nedeljama, mogli bi, na primer, da pozovu delegaciju UN da urade inspekciju bolničkog kompleksa jednom kada potvrde sigurnost lokacije - a tu su više od nedelju dana i "pobeđuju na svim frontovima", valjda može i sada - umesto što se bave like-share-subscribe PRom preko svojih influensera i opskurnih tviter kanala. Što se primirja i razmene tiče, po najnovijim informacijama ništa pre al džume. A sta ocekujes da vidis? Neku mesalicu za atomsku bombu, NASA laboratoriju? Skrivali su se kao pacovi ispod te boilnice. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama_mia Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Nisam upoznata da li postoji ijedna drzava na svetu koja upozorava neprijatelja o vremenu i mestu napada. Ne napadajte me (posebno ne bez upozorenja) ako postoji jos neka takva vojska, jer znam da Izrael upozorava neprijatelja, ali ko jos? 1 hour ago, 40Wins said: Mislim da je ipak Vasilije kao prevodilac vise relevantan za diskusiju imenovanja jezika. A ako vam je vec to zapelo, mozda se premestite na drugu temu, To u vezi druge teme sam vec nekolicinu puta predlagala...svejedno je sada. Ali nije svejedno konstatovati da je vasa kao prevodilac `vise relevantan` tj. kaze se relevantniji `za diskusiju o imenovanju jezika` obzirom da ne znamo OD KOGA je relevantiji i da li si upoznat i sa ostalim pretendentima` na `relevantost za diskusije`? Ako poredis i kazes - vasa je vise relevantan - onda kazes i od koga. Prioritet ima pitanje s pocetka posta ovo SVE posle toga je samo P.S. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwin Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 6 hours ago, McLeod said: Lideri Hamasa su milijarderi. Netanjahu je konačno dao nalog Mosadu da se napadaju lideri Hamasa bez obzira na to gde se nalaze. Spoiler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwin Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) Fox News izgleda emitovao lažirano hapšenje. Spoiler Ostatak teksta: However seconds pass, and the same person is seen returning and dressing comfortably, with the blindfold removed. Edited November 23, 2023 by erwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwin Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) Katarci saopštili: prekid vatre sutra od 7 po lokalnom vremenu, a oslobađanje prve grupe od 13 civila tj. žena i dece u 16. Edited November 23, 2023 by erwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwin Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) AP-ova reportaža o posledicama bombardovanja i kopnene intervencije u Gazi - kažu da sad liči na površinu Meseca i da mnogi strahuju da će ostati nepogodna za život. Prevod prvog pasusa: Quote Izraelska vojna ofanziva je veći deo severne Gaze pretvorila u nenastanjiv Mesečev pejzaž. Čitave četvrti su zbrisane. Kuće, škole i bolnice raznesene su vazdušnim udarima i spaljene tenkovskom vatrom. Neke zgrade i dalje stoje, ali većina njih predstavlja samo izlupane ljušture. Ceo članak na engleskom: Spoiler Gaza has become a moonscape in war. When the battles stop, many fear it will remain uninhabitable Israel’s military offensive has turned much of northern Gaza into an uninhabitable moonscape. Whole neighborhoods have been erased. Homes, schools and hospitals have been blasted by airstrikes and scorched by tank fire. Some buildings are still standing, but most are battered shells. Nearly 1 million Palestinians have fled the north, including its urban center, Gaza City, as ground combat intensified. When the war ends, any relief will quickly be overshadowed by dread as displaced families come to terms with the scale of the calamity and what it means for their future. Where would they live? Who would eventually run Gaza and pick up the pieces? “I want to go home even if I have to sleep on the rubble of my house,” said Yousef Hammash, an aid worker with the Norwegian Refugee Council who fled the ruins of the urban refugee camp of Jabaliya for southern Gaza. “But I don’t see a future for my children here.” The Israeli army’s use of powerful explosives in tightly packed residential areas — which Israel describes as the unavoidable outcome of Hamas using civilian sites as cover for its operations — has killed over 13,000 Palestinians and led to staggering destruction. Hamas denies the claim and accuses Israel of recklessly bombing civilians. “When I left, I couldn’t tell which street or intersection I was passing,” said Mahmoud Jamal, a 31-year-old taxi driver who fled his northern hometown of Beit Hanoun this month. He described apartment buildings resembling open-air parking garages. Israel’s bombardment has become one of the most intense air campaigns since World War II, said Emily Tripp, director of Airwars, a London-based conflict monitor. In the seven weeks since Hamas’ unprecedented Oct. 7 attack, Israel unleashed more munitions than the United States did in any given year of its bombing campaign against the Islamic State group — a barrage the U.N describes as the deadliest urban campaign since World War II. In Israel’s grainy thermal footage of airstrikes targeting Hamas tunnels, fireballs obliterate everything in sight. Videos by Hamas’ military wing feature fighters with rocked-propelled grenades trekking through smoke-filled streets. Fortified bulldozers have cleared land for Israeli tanks. “The north of Gaza has been turned into one big ghost town,” said Mkhaimer Abusada, a political scientist at Al-Azhar University in Gaza City who fled to Egypt last week. “People have nothing to return to.” About half of all buildings across northern Gaza have been damaged or destroyed, according to an analysis of Copernicus Sentinel-1 satellite data by Corey Scher of the CUNY Graduate Center and Jamon Van Den Hoek of Oregon State University. With the U.N. estimating 1.7 million people are newly homeless, many wonder if Gaza will ever recover. “You’ll end up having displaced people living in tents for a long time,” said Raphael Cohen, a senior political scientist at the RAND Corporation, a research group. The war has knocked 27 of 35 hospitals across Gaza out of operation, according to the World Health Organization. The destruction of other critical infrastructure has consequences for years to come. “Bakeries and grain mills have been destroyed, agriculture, water and sanitation facilities,” said Scott Paul, a senior humanitarian policy adviser for Oxfam America. “You need more than four walls and a ceiling for a place to be habitable, and in many cases people don’t even have that.” Across the entire enclave, over 41,000 homes — 45% of Gaza’s total housing stock — are too destroyed to be lived in, according to the U.N. “All I left at home was dead bodies and rubble,” said Mohammed al-Hadad, a 28-year-old party planner who fled Shati refugee camp along Gaza City’s shoreline. Shati sustained nearly 14,000 incidents of war damage — varying from an airstrike crater to a collapsed building — over just 0.5 square kilometers (0.2 square miles), the satellite data analysis shows. Southern Gaza — where scarce food, water and fuel has spawned a humanitarian crisis — has been spared the heaviest firepower, according to the analysis. But that’s changing. In the past two weeks, satellite data shows a spike in damage across the southern town of Khan Younis. Residents say the military has showered eastern parts of town with evacuation warnings. Israel has urged those in southern Gaza to move again, toward a slice of territory called Muwasi along the coast. As of Thursday, Israel and Hamas were still working out the details of a four-day truce that would allow more humanitarian aid to enter Gaza and facilitate an exchange of Palestinian prisoners for Israeli hostages. Displaced Palestinians said four days won’t be enough. “This is our nakba,” said 32-year-old journalist Tareq Hajjaj, referring to the mass displacement of an estimated 700,000 Palestinians during the 1948 war surrounding Israel’s creation — an exodus Palestinians call the “nakba,” or “catastrophe.” Although publicly Palestinians reject the idea of being transferred outside Gaza, some privately admit they cannot stay, even after the war ends. “We will never return home,” said Hajjaj, who fled his home in Shijaiyah in eastern Gaza City. “Those who stay here will face the most horrific situation they could imagine.” The 2014 Israel-Hamas war leveled Shijaiyah, turning the neighborhood into fields of inert gray rubble. The $5 billion reconstruction effort there and across Gaza remains unfinished to this day. “This time the scale of destruction is exponentially higher,” said Giulia Marini, international advocacy officer at Palestinian rights group Al Mezan. “It will take decades for Gaza to go back to where it was before.” It remains unclear who will take responsibility for that task. At the recent security summit in Bahrain, Jordanian Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi vowed Arab states would not “come and clean the mess after Israel.” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants the army to restore security, and American officials have pushed the seemingly unlikely scenario of the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority taking over the strip. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, regarded by many Palestinians as weak, has dismissed that idea in the absence of Israeli efforts toward a two-state solution. Despite the war’s horrors, Yasser Elsheshtawy, a professor of architecture at Columbia University, hopes reconstruction could offer an opportunity to turn Gaza’s ramshackle refugee camps and long deteriorating infrastructure into “something more habitable and equitable and humane,” including public parks and a revitalized seafront. But Palestinians say it’s not only shattered infrastructure that requires rebuilding but a traumatized society. “Gaza has become a very scary place,” Abusada said. “It will always be full of memories of death and destruction.” https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-gaza-israel-bombing-destruction-hamas-reconstruction-f299a28410b70ee05dd764df97d8d3a0 Edited November 23, 2023 by erwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwin Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Po istraživanju javnog mnjenja sprovedenom u Pojasu Gaze (na jugu) i na Zapadnoj obali od 31. oktobra do 7. novembra: - 77% na Zapadnoj obali (ZO) i 66% u Pojasu Gaze (PG) veruje da će Palestina pobediti u ovom ratu - 68% (ZO) tj. 47% (PG) apsolutno podržava Hamasovu akciju od 7.X, dok je još 15% (ZO) tj. 17% uglavnom podržava - 78% (ZO) tj. 70% (PG) podržava Palestinu od reke do mora tj. uništenje Izraela, 13% (ZO) tj. 23% (PG) dve države, a 8% (ZO) tj. 2% (PG) jednu državu za oba naroda - u svetlu demonstracija širom sveta za podršku Palestincima 44% (ZO) tj. 37% (PG) ima nade u budućnost čovečanstva i još 42% (ZO) tj. 31% (PG) donekle - 57% (ZO) tj. 73% (PG) veruje da je trenutni sukob između Izraela i Palestinaca uopšte, a samo 19% (ZO) tj. 17% (PG) da je između Izraela i Hamasa - željena vlast u Pojasu Gaze posle rata: 75% (ZO) tj. 68% (PG) želi vladu nacionalnog jedinstva, 18% (ZO) tj. 8% (PG) Hamasovu vladu, 3% (ZO) tj. 16% (PG) vladu Palestinske uprave (Fataha) - dakle, tamo gde je Hamas, ljudi više priželjkuju Fatah i obrnuto - prekid vatre koji bi podrazumevao obustavljanje neprijateljstava veoma podržava 85% (ZO) tj. 80% (PG), a donekle 8% (ZO i PG) Pitanja koja se odnose samo na stanovnike Pojasa Gaze: - da li je vaša kuća/stan uništen kao posledica rata: da, potpuno kaže 21%, da, delimično kaže 27% - da li vam je neki član porodice (dede i babe, roditelji, braća, sestre, deca, unuci) poginuo: da, kaže 13% - da li mislite da za vas postoji neko bezbedno mesto u Pojasu Gaze: ne, kaže 99,6% - da li ste raseljeni zbog ovog rata: da, kaže 49,5% Saopštenje:https://www.awrad.org/en/article/10719/Wartime-Poll-Results-of-an-Opinion-Poll-Among-Palestinians-in-the-West-Bank-and-Gaza-Strip Prezentacija:https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023.pdf Tabele s rezultatima:https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 - Tables of Results.pdf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwin Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Evo i poređenja stavova iz septembra ove sa septembrom prošle godine iz jedne predratne ankete. Većina Palestinaca je bila za rat, tj. nije videla drugo racionalno rešenje, u šansu da se pregovorima nešto reši verovalo je sve manje ljudi. Posebno se vidi radikalizacija na Zapadnoj obali zbog zločina koje su činili jevrejski doseljenici uz podršku vojske. https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/951 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helena Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 8 hours ago, Selina said: Skrivali su se kao pacovi ispod te boilnice. To je ipak i dalje bolnica. Tom logikom stvarno mogu da sravne Palestinu jer se hamasovci kriju u Palestini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwin Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 (edited) Nisim Vaturi, potpredsednik Kneseta iz Netanjahuove stranke pozvao na spaljivanje Gaze rečima "previše smo humani" (tviter mu obrisao tu objavu u međuvremenu), a zatim i prekoreo novinara koji ga je upozorio na to da time podriva legitimitet Izraela rečima da će njegov strah dovesti do ubistava Izraelaca i pozvao ga da prestane da bude "human" (to je napisao pod navodnicima). Spoiler Izvor: https://twitter.com/BenCaspit/status/1725475806414000599 Izvor: https://twitter.com/nissimv/status/1725531010467590508 Edited November 24, 2023 by erwin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esli Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 15 hours ago, Selina said: A sta ocekujes da vidis? Neku mesalicu za atomsku bombu, NASA laboratoriju? Skrivali su se kao pacovi ispod te boilnice. Više je pitanje šta bi ti očekivala da vidiš, ja posle kombija za falafel koji je Kolin Pauel prikazao kao mobilnu laboratoriju za hemijsko oružje ne očekujem ništa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darko Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, erwin said: Po istraživanju javnog mnjenja sprovedenom u Pojasu Gaze (na jugu) i na Zapadnoj obali od 31. oktobra do 7. novembra: - 77% na Zapadnoj obali (ZO) i 66% u Pojasu Gaze (PG) veruje da će Palestina pobediti u ovom ratu - 68% (ZO) tj. 47% (PG) apsolutno podržava Hamasovu akciju od 7.X, dok je još 15% (ZO) tj. 17% uglavnom podržava - 78% (ZO) tj. 70% (PG) podržava Palestinu od reke do mora tj. uništenje Izraela, 13% (ZO) tj. 23% (PG) dve države, a 8% (ZO) tj. 2% (PG) jednu državu za oba naroda - u svetlu demonstracija širom sveta za podršku Palestincima 44% (ZO) tj. 37% (PG) ima nade u budućnost čovečanstva i još 42% (ZO) tj. 31% (PG) donekle - 57% (ZO) tj. 73% (PG) veruje da je trenutni sukob između Izraela i Palestinaca uopšte, a samo 19% (ZO) tj. 17% (PG) da je između Izraela i Hamasa - željena vlast u Pojasu Gaze posle rata: 75% (ZO) tj. 68% (PG) želi vladu nacionalnog jedinstva, 18% (ZO) tj. 8% (PG) Hamasovu vladu, 3% (ZO) tj. 16% (PG) vladu Palestinske uprave (Fataha) - dakle, tamo gde je Hamas, ljudi više priželjkuju Fatah i obrnuto - prekid vatre koji bi podrazumevao obustavljanje neprijateljstava veoma podržava 85% (ZO) tj. 80% (PG), a donekle 8% (ZO i PG) Pitanja koja se odnose samo na stanovnike Pojasa Gaze: - da li je vaša kuća/stan uništen kao posledica rata: da, potpuno kaže 21%, da, delimično kaže 27% - da li vam je neki član porodice (dede i babe, roditelji, braća, sestre, deca, unuci) poginuo: da, kaže 13% - da li mislite da za vas postoji neko bezbedno mesto u Pojasu Gaze: ne, kaže 99,6% - da li ste raseljeni zbog ovog rata: da, kaže 49,5% Saopštenje:https://www.awrad.org/en/article/10719/Wartime-Poll-Results-of-an-Opinion-Poll-Among-Palestinians-in-the-West-Bank-and-Gaza-Strip Prezentacija:https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023.pdf Tabele s rezultatima:https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 - Tables of Results.pdf Po ovome izgleda kao da je pojaz Gaze manje ekstreman od Zapadne Obale. Što je meni iznenađujuće. A možda ima i do doga što ljudi u pojasu Gaze vide svaki dan šta znači rat. Edited November 24, 2023 by Darko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40Wins Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 15 hours ago, Mama_mia said: To u vezi druge teme sam vec nekolicinu puta predlagala...svejedno je sada. Ali nije svejedno konstatovati da je vasa kao prevodilac `vise relevantan` tj. kaze se relevantniji `za diskusiju o imenovanju jezika` obzirom da ne znamo OD KOGA je relevantiji i da li si upoznat i sa ostalim pretendentima` na `relevantost za diskusije`? Ako poredis i kazes - vasa je vise relevantan - onda kazes i od koga. Prioritet ima pitanje s pocetka posta ovo SVE posle toga je samo P.S. Sorry. Vasa je relevantniji od tebe jer se ''autovao'' ranije kao prevodilac i cesto je davao odgovore na slicna pitanja, a njegov odgovor u vezi persijskog jezika na sve to deluje i veoma razumljiv i logican. Posto je ovo anonimni forum, niko nema obavezu da se izjasnjava o svojim licnim podacima, profesijama i slicno, ali isto tako nema ni pravo da carini temu i ispravlja druge po principu: "Jer sam ja to tako rekla", makar bez neke reference, u ovom slucaju diplomiranog filologa persijskog, pardon, farsi jezika.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLeod Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 Da li oni koji podrzavaju unistenje Izraela zasluzuju da ih snadje ista sudbina? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronostime Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, McLeod said: Da li oni koji podrzavaju unistenje Izraela zasluzuju da ih snadje ista sudbina? Oni koji podrzavaju unistenje bilo koga apsolutno zasluzuju istu sudbinu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DameTime Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 (edited) Ne. @erwin Kad se prenose ovakva istraživanja, bitno je naglasiti veličinu uzorka a ne samo gole % - u ovom slučaju bilo je 668 ispitanika. Edited November 24, 2023 by DameTime greška, nisam videla kompletan uzorak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwin Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 (edited) FT pozivajući se na dva izraelska bezbednosna izvora objavio da je najviši oficir južne komande izraelske vojne obaveštajne službe odbacio detaljno upozorenje u kojem se predviđa Hamasov napad 7. oktobra (uključujući istovremeno dizanje graničnih prelaza u vazduh na više lokacija i upad u kibuce), nazvavši ga „imaginarnim scenarijem“. Upozorenje su šifrovanim bezbednosnim komunikacionim kanalima nekoliko nedelja pre napada poslali pogranični stražari (mahom vojnikinje) koji neprekidno prate i analiziraju video-snimke i druge podatke blizu pametne ograde u koju je Izrael spucao oko 850 miliona evra. Spoiler A senior Israeli military intelligence officer dismissed a detailed warning predicting Hamas’s raid of October 7, calling it an “imaginary scenario”, said two people familiar with the discussions. Sentries on Israel’s border with Gaza, many of them female soldiers who watch and analyse a constant feed of video and other data gathered near the electronic fence surrounding the enclave, sent a detailed report weeks before the attack to the highest-ranking intelligence officer in the southern command, both people said. The report was sent using a secure communications system and contained specific warnings, including that Hamas was training to blow up border posts at several locations, enter Israeli territory and take over kibbutzim, the person with direct knowledge of the contents of the warning said. https://www.ft.com/content/277573ae-fbbc-4396-8faf-64b73ab8ed0a _____________________________________________ 1 hour ago, DameTime said: Kad se prenose ovakva istraživanja, bitno je naglasiti veličinu uzorka a ne samo gole % - u ovom slučaju bilo je 668 ispitanika. U pravu si. Ostavio sam sve relevantne linkove, verujem da nije bio problem da lako pronađeš taj podatak. Na linku s tabelama ima i raspodela ispitanika po gradovima i teritorijama. Edited November 24, 2023 by erwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DameTime Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, erwin said: U pravu si. Ostavio sam sve relevantne linkove, verujem da nije bio problem da lako pronađeš taj podatak. Na linku s tabelama ima i raspodela ispitanika po gradovima i teritorijama. Ja sam pregledala tabele i nije problem pronaći podatke, međutim ako neko postavi ovakvo pitanje: Quote Da li oni koji podrzavaju unistenje Izraela zasluzuju da ih snadje ista sudbina? Znači da je video samo % iz tvog prvobitnog posta. Da uštedimo sebi 5 strana rasprave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLeod Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 26 minutes ago, DameTime said: Znači da je video samo % iz tvog prvobitnog posta. Da uštedimo sebi 5 strana rasprave Prosao je taj kroz sve postavljene linkove, kao sto uvek i prodje, ne brini ti za njega. Broj ispitanika je nebitan kada je procenat ovoliki, sto sam siguran da znas. Dodaj 2000 ljudi i mozda spustis do 60%, sto je i dalje previse. A pitanje je postavljeno cisto da bih video kojom vratolomijom se ovakvi stavovi mogu oprati. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DameTime Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, McLeod said: Broj ispitanika je nebitan kada je procenat ovoliki, sto sam siguran da znas. Da, jer je isto npr. 70% od 100 000 i 70% od 668. Nadam se da ti znaš da se ovaj zaključak ne može ekstrapolirati na čitavu populaciju pojasa Gaze - zaključak nije da 70% podržava učinjeno 7.10. Deluje mi da ne znaš, jer ne bi postavljao pitanje koje uključuje kolektivnu odmazdu da znaš. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwin Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, McLeod said: Da li oni koji podrzavaju unistenje Izraela zasluzuju da ih snadje ista sudbina? Kao prvo, najbolje bi bilo da svi koji podržavaju bilo čije uništenje (osim zločinaca) jednostavno crknu, ali nažalost znamo da se to neće desiti. Kao drugo, rekao bih da je vrlo žalosno je što većina Palestinaca, a reklo bi se i Izraelaca više ne veruje u mirno i iole pravedno rešenje ovog sukoba već se zalažu za dominaciju nad onima drugima. Kao treće, reklo bi se da ne fali onih koji će njih da nastave da uspešno uništavaju. Pitanje je ko će da uništi one izraelske bivše i sadašnje ministre, zvaničnike, generale i obične građane koji bez ikakvih reakcija Zapada javno podržavaju uništenje Pojasa Gaze? I ove vojnike koji kažu da njihova misija glasi pokori i proteraj [Palestince] i naseli [Jevreje]? Spoiler Ili ove Izraelce koji po poslednjoj anketi relativnom većinom podržavaju ponovno naseljavanje Jevreja u Gazi (44% za, 39% protiv)? https://www.maariv.co.il/news/politics/Article-1053131 Edited November 24, 2023 by erwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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