Tomiprunet Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Cyber said: Fizikalna terapija. Veovatno da je to to, ali ovo stvarno sta je covek uradio i rekao a nisam mu pokazao ni snimak, ni nista sta mi je doktor rekao. To je meni bas onako neverovatno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, Tomiprunet said: Veovatno da je to to, ali ovo stvarno sta je covek uradio i rekao a nisam mu pokazao ni snimak, ni nista sta mi je doktor rekao. To je meni bas onako neverovatno. Moj komentar se odnosio na lezanje sa savijenim kolenima. To je dobro za ledja i to bi ti rekao svaki fizioterapeut. Imam ja klupu za lezanje u radnoj sobi i redovno u pauzama savijam kolena i slicne stvari. Ali sve to nema veze sa alternativnom medicinom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddard Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Cyber said: Fizikalna terapija. + manuelle therapie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fancy Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Sa srećnim završetkom? [emoji41]Sent from my phone using their app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, fancy said: Sa srećnim završetkom? To mi lici na ono na ono sto je rekla Andja. 😎 On 10/2/2021 at 7:33 PM, Angelia said: To je isto kao kad tvrdimo da svi izrazi I definicije ostaju samo u svom originalnom znacenju a da im se smisao ne menja pod uticajem drustvene percepcije. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomiprunet Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Cyber said: Moj komentar se odnosio na lezanje sa savijenim kolenima. To je dobro za ledja i to bi ti rekao svaki fizioterapeut. Imam ja klupu za lezanje u radnoj sobi i redovno u pauzama savijam kolena i slicne stvari. Ali sve to nema veze sa alternativnom medicinom. Pa ni ne kazem da to ima veze sa alternativnom medicinom, mozda ni oni dodiri tacki na telu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fancy Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tomiprunet said: Pa ni ne kazem da to ima veze sa alternativnom medicinom Ne kažeš, pišeš 11 hours ago, Tomiprunet said: ali je neka alternativna medicina jer uz dodir odredjenih tacki na telu otkljanjaju probleme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted October 4, 2021 Author Share Posted October 4, 2021 8 hours ago, Cyber said: To mi lici na ono na ono sto je rekla Andja. 😎 Meni ni iz dzepa ni u dzep, samo nema logike tvrditi kad nam odgovara da se neke definicije menjaju sa drustvenom percepcijom, a kad nam ne odgovara da se drzimo originalne definicije kao pijan plota. i ne prihvatamo drustvenu percepciju. Tako i happy ending ne znaci ono sto je znacio u originalu. Sve sto sam videla u US, a priznajem da je ograniceno, ne govori da ljudi homeopatiju vide kao neku religiju ili ucenje, vec da misle da su to preparati na bazi prirodnih sastojaka (iz prirode, iliti travarastvo). Ali nesto me zainteresovalo, jel neko radio istrazivanja akupunkture uopste u modernoj medicini? To je pitanje na @Eddardo evidence based medicini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomiprunet Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, fancy said: Ne kažeš, pišeš Koji je tebi ? Mozes se ti smejat, covek me izlecio sa pritiscima na odredjene tacke na telu. Ko ti je kriv kad imas zatucan pogled na svet pa ne znas nista a mislis da znas. Edited October 4, 2021 by Tomiprunet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddard Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 44 minutes ago, Angelia said: Ali nesto me zainteresovalo, jel neko radio istrazivanja akupunkture uopste u modernoj medicini? To je pitanje na @Eddardo evidence based medicini. Naravno. Puna je Cochrane Library takvih review-a https://www.cochranelibrary.com/search?p_p_id=scolarissearchresultsportlet_WAR_scolarissearchresults&p_p_lifecycle=0&_scolarissearchresultsportlet_WAR_scolarissearchresults_searchType=basic&_scolarissearchresultsportlet_WAR_scolarissearchresults_searchBy=2&_scolarissearchresultsportlet_WAR_scolarissearchresults_searchText=Acupuncture Recimo, za low back pain, postoji i članak u NEJM, rezultati kažu da nije bolje od placeba (sham), ali je bolje od ničega, što će reći - placebo efekat. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmct0806114 A number of clinical trials have evaluated the efficacy of acupuncture for chronic low back pain. A meta-analysis in 2008, which involved a total of 6359 patients,44 showed that real acupuncture treatments were no more effective than sham acupuncture treatments. There was nevertheless evidence that both real acupuncture and sham acupuncture were more effective than no treatment and that acupuncture can be a useful supplement to other forms of conventional therapy for low back pain. These conclusions were supported by a subsequent meta-analysis from the Cochrane Back Review Group. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Tomiprunet said: Mozes se ti smejat, covek me izlecio sa pritiscima na odredjene tacke na telu. Ko ti je kriv kad imas zatucan pogled na svet pa ne znas nista a mislis da znas. Nije mogao da te izleci jer ti nisi bio bolestan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/4/2021 at 3:06 AM, Eddard said: Naravno. Puna je Cochrane Library takvih review-a https://www.cochranelibrary.com/search?p_p_id=scolarissearchresultsportlet_WAR_scolarissearchresults&p_p_lifecycle=0&_scolarissearchresultsportlet_WAR_scolarissearchresults_searchType=basic&_scolarissearchresultsportlet_WAR_scolarissearchresults_searchBy=2&_scolarissearchresultsportlet_WAR_scolarissearchresults_searchText=Acupuncture Recimo, za low back pain, postoji i članak u NEJM, rezultati kažu da nije bolje od placeba (sham), ali je bolje od ničega, što će reći - placebo efekat. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmct0806114 A number of clinical trials have evaluated the efficacy of acupuncture for chronic low back pain. A meta-analysis in 2008, which involved a total of 6359 patients,44 showed that real acupuncture treatments were no more effective than sham acupuncture treatments. There was nevertheless evidence that both real acupuncture and sham acupuncture were more effective than no treatment and that acupuncture can be a useful supplement to other forms of conventional therapy for low back pain. These conclusions were supported by a subsequent meta-analysis from the Cochrane Back Review Group. Ima neke stvari na ovoj listi za koje mi ne bi palo na pamet da probam akupunkturu, prosto zvuci glupavo. Mene su poslali za hronicnu migrenu, mislim da nije isto kao "episodic migrene" koje sam videla u jednom naslovu (nisam procitala). Meni je pomoglo bukvalno sa prvim tretmanom. Nema sanse da je bio placebo, jer sam bila izuzetno skepticna. Em sam skepticna prema "alternativnoj medicini" em sto mrzim igle totalno, nisam bila sigurna ni da mogu da istrpim bockanje. Mozda je slucajnost, a ako je bio placebo, I za to sam zahvalna. U svakom slucaju, pomoc sam nasla u modernoj medicini na kraju, off label ali radi. Da li bi proslo istrazivanje...neznam. radi za mene. Mozda kad neke stvari istraze ne rade bas za svakog. Tako sam imala situaciju sa ocem, kome moderna medicina nije uspela da pomogne dugo vremena. Isli smo trial and error svakakvih lekova. I nasli proizvodjaca koji nema bas FDA, ima CE, ali radi. Ne pise nista o homeopatiji na proizvodima, ali meni deluje kao neko ko nije imao para za istrazivanje, ali ima dobru hemiju. Nakon skoro 30 godina, dobio je malo pomoci. Mozda moderna medicina ima resenje za njega, ali nismo nikad stigli do toga. Znam da u US postoje lekovi ali do njih nije mogao da dodje da probamo. Pa se ovako krpimo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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