Rat u Ukrajini

[urosg3]

3 hours ago, ras kass said:

Ruski vojnici se povlače iz Cernobila jer su bili izlozeni radijaciji. Kretali se kroz kontamirano podrucje bez zastite, jos kopali rovove u tkz. Crvenoj sumi.

Ruska vojska je sa perspektive profesije opste rasulo i drzavni posao uzivo

[Plant]

1 hour ago, Mama_mia said:

 

tesko da narod moze da ima lep izraz za bilo sta

 

a obzirom da se narod nista ovim povodom i ne pita, tako ni ja ne pitam koji je to narodni izraz...

 

 

 

izvinjavam se, nije lep ...  "odgovarajuci" je pravilnije

[urosg3]

Izvinite za typo slomio sam cvikere a kucam na tel...

 

Elem malopre prolazim, mozda neko i zna ja pojma nisam imao, u Parizu blizu Ajfelove kule postoji ruskacrkva i kulturni centar. Upravo je ogradjen i cuva ga policija, ograda sprecava radoznalog setaca da se upozna sa ruskom kulturom i verzijom hriscanstva a policija cuva zaposlene od razmene misljenja o geopolitici slobodnih gradjana i podanika ruske drzave.

 

Koliko god na prvi pogled izgledalo ruzno, u stvari je ohrabrujuce. Sta vi mislite?

[Devil In My Pants]

2 minutes ago, urosg3 said:

Izvinite za typo slomio sam cvikere a kucam na tel...

 

Elem malopre prolazim, mozda neko i zna ja pojma nisam imao, u Parizu blizu Ajfelove kule postoji ruskacrkva i kulturni centar. Upravo je ogradjen i cuva ga policija, ograda sprecava radoznalog setaca da se upozna sa ruskom kulturom i verzijom hriscanstva a policija cuva zaposlene od razmene misljenja o geopolitici slobodnih gradjana i podanika ruske drzave.

 

Koliko god na prvi pogled izgledalo ruzno, u stvari je ohrabrujuce. Sta vi mislite?

Mislim da crkve generalno leglo korupcije i kriminala ma koja bila..kad nasa plati porez i ja cu.

[erwin]

I Vikipedija došla na red, Roskomnadzor radi punom parom.

 

 

Edited March 31, 2022 by erwin

[urosg3]

14 minutes ago, Devil In My Pants said:

Mislim da crkve generalno leglo korupcije i kriminala ma koja bila..kad nasa plati porez i ja cu.

Ogradjeni od normalnog sveta, niko ne prilazi nista. Sami u svojoj realnosti

[Kooineeperk]

2 hours ago, Mama_mia said:

 

Ne, vec kada protivnik nije bio dovoljno lud da posegne za finalnim resenjem ili zato sto ga uopste nema a NATO/USA tripuje/laze da ga ima. 

Evo ovo sam ti malo popravio. 

 

2 hours ago, Mama_mia said:

 

Da rezimiramo, ovde nato ne zeli da reskira upravo to, znaci putinovo finalno resenje koje ne bi izostalo ukoliko bi se ovi

(nato) umesali direktno i jos ih isprasili.

 

...pa to sam vec rekla slicno ranije...

Obavestajne sluzbe su imale informacije da postoji mogucnost agresije. Mogli su ekspresno da naprave neki sporazum. 

Ne znam, lako je sada praviti se general, sta bi bilo bolje od ovog sada, a ljudi umiru na sve strane. 

 

Inace, kad imas budalu sa nuklearnim naoruzanjem, svakako moze doci do katastrofe, takvima i ne treba neki povod. A ima jedan nedaleko od Rusije. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Mama_mia said:

Isto malo je verovatno da je nato jedan slabic i kukavica koji napada samo bezazlene macice

a sheni na dve noge pred velikim medjedima...ma daaaj

To je tvoja interpretacija mojih reci, da ne kazem ucitavanje.

 

Cinjenica je da NATO i USA nisu do sada imale ozbiljne suparnike. To sto su u nekim akcijama lose prosli je sto su naislu ne na nadmocnijeg ili jednako mocnog protivnika, vec zato sto su hteli i kopneno da ga pokore na njegovoj teritoriji. 

[Odjosh]

Ako se setimo bombardovanja Srbije, 

u tom slucaju NATO je na kraju poceo da najavljuje kopnenu invaziju. 
Tada je milosevic morao konacno da proda Srbiju, jer bi mu u protivnom usli tenkovima u predsednistvo u BG, a to je vec licni problem. 
 

[Constantin]

9 hours ago, Clash said:

Poljaci su verovatno odusevljeni da krenu u rat.

Rado ide Poljak u vojnike.

Mada kad malo bolje pogledamo nije to losa zamisao.

 Poljaci I Ukrajinci na livadicu pa udri Ruse.

 

Da ne bude posle.....њет, њет Kraków ...Харкiв...дурак, настраивать лучше.

[erwin]

Dosta zanimljiv članak dostupan na engleskom i ruskom o tome šta se dešava u Kremlju trenutno: Meduza je pozivajući se na 3 izvora iz predsedničke administracije i 2 iz vlade objavila da je vrh ruske vojske krajem marta procenio da Kijev definitivno nije moguće zauzeti bez velikog krvoprolića tj. bez masovne dodatne mobilizacije i da su na početku rata i vojska i Putin očekivali da će cela specijalna operacija ići glatko. Krajem februara izvori tog sajta iz predsedničke administracije tvrdili su da zauzimanje velikih gradova uključujući i Kijev nije glavni problem, već uspostavljanje administracije koja će njima rukovoditi. Pet izvora tog sajta sada povezuje rusko popuštanje u pregovorima sa neuspesima na frontu. Takođe je procena ekonomskog dela vlade da se neće moći dugo taljigati (svega nekoliko meseci) pod ovim sankcijama pre nego što se pojave infrastrukturni problemi i problemi s transportom. Izvori tvrde da Putin još nije odlučio šta i kako dalje i da oko njega ima i onih koji bi da pregovaraju i onih koji bi da vode rat svom žestinom. U dva najveća grada navodno već većina stanovništva ne podržava rat. Navodno se radi na novoj motivišućoj ideologiji koja kako se građani nakon prestanka rata ne bi pitali čemu je on služio kad Kijev nije osvojen a ni najveći deo sankcija ukinut, zbog čega se živi teže.

 

Engleska verzija: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/31/filling-the-void

Ruska verzija: https://meduza.io/feature/2022/03/31/istochniki-meduzy-v-kremle-utverzhdayut-v-administratsii-prezidenta-uzhe-ne-nadeyutsya-chto-rossiya-vozmet-kiev-no-etogo-vozmozhno-do-sih-por-hochet-putin

Edited April 1, 2022 by erwin

[erwin]

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What has Moscow done to boost the ruble?

- The central bank has more than doubled interest rates to 20%. That encourages Russian savers to keep their money in local currency.

- Exporters have been ordered to swap 80% of their foreign currency revenues for rubles rather than holding onto US dollars or euros.

- Russian brokers have been banned from selling securities held by foreigners.

- Residents are not allowed to make bank transfers outside Russia.

- Russia has threatened to demand payment for natural gas in rubles, not euros or dollars.

These measures have allowed Moscow to artificially manufacture demand for the ruble.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/31/investing/russia-ruble-putin/index.html

 

 

 

 

https://www.ebrd.com/rep-ukraine-war-310322.pdf

Edited April 1, 2022 by erwin

[Devil In My Pants]

 

Kakav defanzivni sistem Rusa 

[Beonegro]

19 minutes ago, Devil In My Pants said:

 

Kakav defanzivni sistem Rusa 

 

Šta misliš, kome idu u prilog napadi na teritoriji Rusije i šta ono zakonski omogućuju napadi na samu Rusiju?

[ters]

24 minutes ago, Beonegro said:

 

Šta misliš, kome idu u prilog napadi na teritoriji Rusije i šta ono zakonski omogućuju napadi na samu Rusiju?

??? Sta to "zakonski" omogucavaju napadi na samu Rusiju ????

Napadi na teritoriju Rusije definitivno idu Putinu u prilog, ali ne vidim sta je to sto mijenja karakteristike ovog sukoba ?

[erwin]

Niz o atmosferi među običnim svetom u Rusiji:

 

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Greg Yudin   

2h • 19 tweets • 4 min read

I am constantly asked about atmosphere in Russia. I am making a THREAD🧵to give an impression of how it feels in Moscow but also to explain how what I call “A few months theory” reigns supreme 1/19 

In Moscow, one is unlikely to recognize at first that this is a country at war. However, tuning in to occasional chatting reveals that people are constantly discussing international situation. “Haven't we already taken Kherson?”, or “the Chinese will never let us down” 2/19 

Businessmen take the new situation as a given and quickly adapt without much debate. “We have switched our logistics and run deliveries through Belarus now, it is very convenient. We can always switch back if the situation resolves” 3/19 

Inside shopping malls, everything indicates that current closedowns are temporary 4/19

Even McDonalds hasn’t really pulled out from Russia but rather made its presence less visible. Its franchises keep operating, mostly in the Eastern parts of Russia 5/19

There are very few known cases of layoffs because of sanctions. Most TNCs are putting people on paid leave for 2-3 months and discussing what their strategy will be “when everything is back to normal” 6/19

Medvedev says TNCs approaching the government to signal they have to pay lip service to sanctions fever but are unwilling to leave. From what I know, sounds plausible. One of Big 4 firms is rebranding in Russia and tells clients contracts will be kept under th new entity 7/19 

In the offices few white-collar people feel like they are living through a catastrophe. The majority is planning to explore new business opportunities and tends to believe things will get back to normal pretty soon 8/19 

Open discussions about military operation are rare, for dissent is criminalized. Keep this in mind when reading numbers. A relative was stopped on the street by an interviewer; when she declared she's against the operation, a passer-by almost attacked her for being a traitor 9/19 

Many families are split along the generational line, younger people prefer to abstain from discussing with parents. Parents are more willing to impose their view (probably deep inside they feel uncomfortable). A friend gets tons of messages from her mother about “Ukro-Nazis” 10/x 

There are minor shortages of meds, and some people are trying to replenish their stock. However, the initial panic seems to have died down 11/x 

The ruble has bounced back. It is difficult to buy currency in Moscow but the exchange rate gives confidence. It is possible to go to the neighboring countries and buy $ practically at the same rate as it was before the “military operation” started 12/x

Biden turned the ruble into rubble. Then it quickly came back.Some current and former Treasury officials, foreign exchange traders and sanctions experts say the ruble's rebound doesn’t necessarily mean the West’s economic weapons are losing their punch.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/31/ruble-recovery-russia-biden-sanctions-00021850

The inflation is not necessarily connected with war. A taxi driver from Belarus complains about rising prices. However, from his perspective prices were rising for several years already, it is just that for some reason it got even worse now. He doesn't mention war 13/x 

The tension is in the air, however. Several people have approached me to ask if I think there will be a war. This implies, of course, that there is currently no war. There is a belief that Poland could probably cause a war 14/x 

Possible use of nuclear weapons got normalized. Conversations about consequences of war often trigger the nukes threat. “They will lift all these sanctions b/c we have nukes” “They will give in anyway, otherwise we will try our nukes on them” 15/x 

For many Russians, Putin is testing, once again, the ingrained belief that might makes right. Hubris is unlimited: one simply has to be impudent enough to become the master of the universe. The West is often said to be weak because it is not ready to risk a nuclear war 16/x 

Still, not much enthusiasm about military operation around. The cars with Z-symbols are few, the chance is higher to see an anti-war slogan on the wall. This stands in sharp contrast to 2014 when there were many ribbons on the cars. Many of these ribbons are there to stay 17/x 

The situation in universities probably deserves a separate thread. Students are told to spy and report on their instructors. Although very few agree, it suffices to spoil the climate in the classroom. One spy is enough 18/x 

It is difficult to say what the reaction would be if the “few months theory” fails. It is possible that a significant part of society will conclude that it is too late to stop, and this war will finally be perceived as existential, to be won at any cost END

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1509758828962885643.html

 

TNC = multinacionalna korporacija (transnational corporation)

Edited April 1, 2022 by erwin

[Beonegro]

46 minutes ago, ters said:

??? Sta to "zakonski" omogucavaju napadi na samu Rusiju ????

Napadi na teritoriju Rusije definitivno idu Putinu u prilog, ali ne vidim sta je to sto mijenja karakteristike ovog sukoba ?

Omogućuje mu da pozove rezerviste.

 

[erwin]

Zelenski smenio dvojicu generala - šefa interne bezbednosti tajne službe i šefa tajne službe za jedini pali regionalni centar Herson (možda bi ga još branili da su srušili most), raščinio ih i nazvao ih izdajnicima.

 

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3445232-zelensky-says-two-generals-who-turned-out-to-be-traitors-stripped-of-their-rank.html

Edited April 1, 2022 by erwin

[Perkos2]

30 minutes ago, erwin said:

Zelenski smenio dvojicu generala - šefa interne bezbednosti tajne službe i šefa tajne službe za jedini pali regionalni centar Herson (možda bi ga još branili da su srušili most), raščinio ih i nazvao ih izdajnicima.

 

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3445232-zelensky-says-two-generals-who-turned-out-to-be-traitors-stripped-of-their-rank.html

kako sad to kad smo već prihvatili da su Ukrajinci borci bez mane i straha, nepotkupljivi i neustrašivi?

[Beonegro]

Uzgred, Ihor Žovka (pomoćnik šefa kabineta predsjednika Zelenskija) je juče u gostovanju francuskoj televiziji BFM rekao da Ukrajina nema ništa sa požarom i da se to zapalilo greškom zaposlenih. Sasvim je moguće da Rusi nešto muljaju, ili je bio false flag napad, ili su sami zapalili, pa izmislili ukrajinski napad. Meni djeluje da se priprema priča o nacistima koji sad napadaju i Rusiju i da moraju da se brane, a da bi se efikasno branili moraju da pomjere granicu recimo bar 100km (i da sravne Harkov)

[erwin]

To nije isti napad, ovo je bilo jutros i snimljeni su helikopteri.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 1, 2022 by erwin

[Constantin]

 

Edited April 1, 2022 by Constantin

[erwin]

Ova mapa pokazuje nezanemarljiv napredak Ukrajinaca, lik koji ju je okačio tvrdi da su svakog dana tokom prošle nedelje više teritorije oslobađali nego gubili. 

 

 

Bio bih zahvalan ako bi neko ko prati frontovska kretanja detaljno rekao koliko ima istine u ovome.

 

Izvor: twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1509518391362859015

[Beonegro]

20 minutes ago, erwin said:

To nije isti napad, ovo je bilo jutros i snimljeni su helikopteri.

U pravu si, neka što sam ja pobrkao, nego je i Figaro...

[PorodicneVrijednosti]

Izgleda da je ovaj napad na Belogorod stvarno izvrsila UAF sa 2 helikoptera, a ne neki false flag Rusa. 

[fancy]

Kao u "30 seconds over Tokyo"

 

Ko ne zna nek izgugla, jako zanimljiva priča iz WW2.