Rat u Ukrajini

[Darko]

18 minutes ago, Beonegro said:

Oko čega nisi siguran?

Da nije bilo opkoljivanja Ukrajinske vojske u Kursku. Ovaj članak iz BBC-a daje drugačiju sliku.

[Beonegro]

4 minutes ago, Darko said:

Da nije bilo opkoljivanja Ukrajinske vojske u Kursku. Ovaj članak iz BBC-a daje drugačiju sliku.

Ne daje, na jednom mjestu bukvalno piše "pressed from three sides". Biti okružen sa tri strane ne znači da si opkoljen. 

 

Da je bilo pravog opkoljavanja do sada bismo gledali snimke zarobljenih kao iz Azovstala.

[djura.net]

bbc

 

Lithuanian prosecutors say Russia's military intelligence service GRU was behind an arson attack on an Ikea furniture store in the Baltic state's capital Vilnius last year.

Two Ukrainian suspects have been arrested – one in Lithuania, the other in Poland – over the attack, which prosecutor Arturas Urbelis called "an act of terrorism".

He said investigation of intermediaries had established that "this is connected with the military intelligence, with the security services".

Poland's Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Lithuania had "confirmed our suspicions that responsible for setting fires to shopping centres in Vilnius and Warsaw are the Russian secret services."

"Good to know before negotiations. Such is the nature of this state," he wrote in a post on X.

[Beonegro]

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THE SIGNALS were coming fast and furious by the first week of March. Ukrainian forces in the Kursk bridgehead, an area of Russia that Ukraine seized last August, were becoming trapped. Aided by North Korean forces, Russia had tightened a noose around the Ukrainians’ flanks and was within firing range of their last remaining supply route. The Russians had also massed at least 50,000 troops, four times the Ukrainians’ numbers. It remains unclear how they pulled it off, and what role Donald Trump’s decision (subsequently reversed) to limit intelligence sharing with Ukraine on March 5th had played. Some Ukrainian intelligence officers insist they were blindsided. “The Americans are lying if they say we had everything we needed for defence,” one says.

 

For those in the trenches, the American pressure coincided with waves of Russian terror from the skies: drones, bombers, glide bombs. Many junior officers decided to flee, with or without equipment, with some retreating 15km on foot. It is not clear whether they all had orders to do so, but their decisions probably made the pullback less damaging.

 

The partial withdrawal—from the town of Sudzha and other villages inside Kursk—is a blow to Ukraine’s military leadership. But it is not quite the complete disaster claimed by Russian propaganda, which Donald Trump inexplicably decided to amplify in a social-media post claiming that “thousands of Ukrainian soldiers” were “completely surrounded”. That was never the case. There have been serious losses; the withdrawal was chaotic in parts, and Russia captured at least dozens of prisoners. But the Ukrainians retreated relatively intact and a sizeable force still remains up to 10km inside Russia, having taken up more defensible positions on high ground. “Trump appears to be getting his information from Russian Instagram reels,” one military commander says.

 

For now, there are no signs they intend to leave the area they still hold, regardless of Vladimir Putin’s wishes. The man in the Kremlin was humiliated by the Ukrainian operation last summer, which at one point involved the occupation of 1,200 square kilometres of Russian land. He has spoken viciously of the soldiers taking part, demanding those captured be “treated like terrorists”. Some of his troops appear to have taken the instruction literally. Widespread video evidence suggests some Russian units in Kursk have a policy of executing prisoners. Ukrainian military sources say the Russians began to take more prisoners as time went on, but they fear this may be preparation for a future show trial.

On March 14th Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s president, told journalists that the Kursk operation had “done its job”. He said he had originally decided to establish a presence inside Russia to protect Ukrainian cities such as Sumy from a boomerang offensive. One reason for launching the Kursk operation was to disrupt Russian attempts to create its own buffer zones inside Ukraine. “We don’t want it to turn into an offensive for the Russians,” Mr Zelensky said: “we have experience with that.”

 

Ukraine is reasonably prepared for the threat, having now fortified its border with several new lines of defences and trenches. Still, Russian reconnaissance groups of up to 30 men have already been seen in some Ukrainian border villages. In Sumy the atmosphere is tense. Military authorities have set up checkpoints blocking entry to non-locals, even accredited journalists. Soldiers have orders not to speak to the press.

A high-level source in Ukrainian intelligence says the Russian surge seemed timed to coincide with Mr Trump’s push for a ceasefire. On March 10th, during talks in Saudi Arabia, Ukraine agreed to an American proposal for a ceasefire; Mr Putin is yet to reciprocate. “The Russians will not agree to a ceasefire while we are still in their land,” the source says. “They don’t want us to have that bargaining chip when the fighting stops.” Some in Ukraine think Mr Trump may have knowingly assisted the process. One intelligence officer believes the American president was trying to make Ukraine more pliable by stripping away possible negotiation levers, which could be used for future territorial swaps. A government source says he thinks it was a coincidence. “What is clear is that Trump can’t stand us,” he says, “and that in seven weeks we have switched from being allies to customers, and with largely imagined debts.”

 

Ukraine’s incursion into Kursk continues to divide opinion. Some top officers opposed it from the start; the commander of one of the four elite units spearheading the August 2024 offensive resigned before it started. Others who had been excluded from the armed forces commander-in-chief Oleksandr Syrsky’s decision-making thought it a mistake. Some have since tempered their opposition, admitting it diverted (and killed) some of Russia’s best troops. “We’ve lost lots of good men, and maybe it was a rash decision”, says one intelligence officer, “but you have to ask what the tens of thousands of soldiers Putin diverted to Kursk might have done elsewhere.”

The chaotic final weeks have certainly left a sour note, and many question why Mr Zelensky and General Syrsky left it so long to retreat. But the operation was undeniably a boon for the nation’s morale in an otherwise grim 2024. It demonstrated that Russia was struggling too. “For too long Russia was seen through a kaleidoscope of fakes…the supposedly second-best army in the world, a nuclear superpower,” says a source in Ukraine’s general staff. “We showed the emperor had no clothes.”  As Ukraine enters its most uncertain period since the war’s start, the source said the army understood it has no choice but to dig in. Perhaps Mr Trump, too, will eventually realise that Mr Putin is not who he pretends to be. “What we need is one emperor to see an important truth about the other. But we need it to happen fast.” 

 

 

[djura.net]

Da vidimo i taj razgovor danas izmedju Trumpa i Putina, mada kakve stvari je zakuvao sa sudom, tarifama, imigracijom u sopstvenoj zemlji i novim ratom na bliskom istoku, ja ozbiljno sumnjam da je u stanju da se posveti ovim pregovorima na iole pristojna nacin.

[Beonegro]

34 minutes ago, djura.net said:

Da vidimo i taj razgovor danas izmedju Trumpa i Putina, mada kakve stvari je zakuvao sa sudom, tarifama, imigracijom u sopstvenoj zemlji i novim ratom na bliskom istoku, ja ozbiljno sumnjam da je u stanju da se posveti ovim pregovorima na iole pristojna nacin.

Nije ničemu u stanju da se posveti na iole pristojan način. John Bolton je prije neki dan rekao da su mu ljudi koji su radili za dnevnu dozu dok se bavio nekretninama pričali da nikad nije imao dnevni raspored ili plan rada, samo je blejao u kancelariji i fantazirao o projektima. 

[Nek grmi jako]

Čačkao sam nešto po vlastitim upisima iz arhive, pa pronađoh i ovo iz septembra prošle godine, dakle mnogo pre američkih izbora i pobede Trampa:

 

https://vox92.net/forum/topic/109-usa-sjedinjene-američke-države-unutrašnja-politika-i-uticaj-na-svetska-kretanja/page/958/#findComment-1376114

 

Imamo, dakle, kroz formu sporazuma o rudnim bogatstvima priču o 500 milijardi dolara, kao i dalje naoružavanje ne samo Ukrajine, već i svih ostalih koji su najavili da će morati da popunjavaju vlastite vojne magacine. Upravo onako kako im je Tramp odranije najavio: ako želite da vas branimo,moraćete to i da platite.

 

I dok svi zaguju, uključujući i Putina koji će na kraju morati da pruži nekakve ustupke, nova američka administracija - ziguje.

 

Igra se kako Vašington svira, što je i najavljeno na ovom forumu još davnih dana.

Edited March 18 by Nek grmi jako

[djura.net]

bbc

 

The UK prime minister spoke with Donald Trump last night ahead of the US president's call with Russia's Vladimir Putin today.

 

Keir Starmer told Trump that Ukraine must be put in the "strongest possible position" in order to secure a "just and lasting peace" in the war with Russia.

 

The prime minister's official spokesperson says Keir Starmer also "updated the president on his coalition of the willing call with international leaders that took place on Saturday."

 

cnn

 

NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has “every trust” in President Donald Trump’s ability to reach a lasting peace deal in Ukraine, he told CNN ahead of the US president’s scheduled conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin today.

He added that he thought it was “great” that Ukrainian and US representatives agreed on a ceasefire proposal in Saudi Arabia last week.

Rutte said that he does not think Trump trusts Putin too much.

“He knows President Putin very well from his first term. So he knows how he has to make sure that he can get a deal done. I have full trust in that,” Rutte said.

[Beonegro]

Rutte je od lika koji je kao premijer Holandije bio u stanju da bude vrlo tvrd prema dnevnoj dozi u njegovom prvom mandatu postao totalni kolaboracionista.

 

Uostalom, kao što kažu same engleske novine:

 

America’s bullied allies need to toughen up

To avoid being crushed, they need a better plan than flattery and concessions

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If you admire America and its transatlantic and Pacific alliances, this shift is so extreme and unfamiliar that it is tempting to deny it is happening and to assume that Mr Trump must backtrack. However, when your people’s safety is at stake, denial is not a plan. America’s allies have a GDP of $37trn, but they lack hard power. Sucking up in the Oval Office and offering to Buy American gets them only so far. Making concessions can encourage more demands, as Panama has found. If allies are unable to defend themselves, some will seek an accommodation with China or Russia.

America’s allies should try to avoid that dismal outcome, starting today. One idea is to deter America from mutual harm. That means identifying unconventional retaliatory measures while calibrating their use to avoid a 1930s-style downward spiral. One option is to slow co-operation on extraterritorial sanctions and export controls. Allies could use their “choke-points” in trade, which we reckon account for 27% of America’s imports, including nuclear fuels, metals and pharmaceuticals. Hidden in the semiconductor-production chain are firms such as Tokyo Electron and ASML in Europe, which are crucial suppliers to America’s tech giants. Smart retaliation against foolish tariffs worked for Europe in the first Trump term. Allies should also identify military pressure-points, such as radars and bases, though they should stop short of exploiting them except in extreme circumstances.

As an insurance policy allies will have to build up their own economic and military infrastructure in parallel to America’s superpower stack. Creating this option will take years. Europe is highly likely to issue more joint debt to finance extra defence spending, and it may keep its own sanctions on Russia even if Mr Trump lifts America’s. All this could split American and European capital markets and ultimately boost the euro’s role as an international currency. In defence, Europe is scrambling to fill gaps in its forces. It is also discussing a continental nuclear deterrent involving France and perhaps Britain. In Asia, South Korea and perhaps Japan may move closer to the nuclear threshold, in order to deter China and North Korea.

The new night watchmen

Last, America’s allies should seek strength in numbers. Europe needs a plan to take over the leadership of NATO, join the CPTPP, an Asian trade deal, and co-operate with Japan and South Korea more closely on military and civilian technology. That would create scale and help manage rivalries. It would also preserve an alternative liberal order, albeit vastly inferior to the original. Allies should be ready to welcome back America under a new president in 2029, though the world will not be the same. Nuclear proliferation may have been unleashed, China will have grown stronger and America’s power and credibility will have been gravely damaged. For its allies, there is no point whingeing: they need to toughen up and get to work.

 

 

Edited March 18 by Beonegro

[McLeod]

I meni je Rute potpuno razocarenje do nivoa da ne znam sta mu se desilo.

[djura.net]

Rezultati telefonskog razgovora i sta to potencijalno donosi

 

bbc

 

A ‘frank’ exchange in a phone call is usually a diplomatic nicety for sharp differences of opinion, bordering on a row.

 

President Trump may well be privately disappointed that he has not been able to get his Russian counterpart to sign up to the comprehensive 30-day ceasefire deal - on land, sea and in the air - that his team thrashed out recently with the Ukrainians in Jeddah.

 

But the 30-day pause in attacks on energy infrastructure, as announced today, will still come as a relief to war weary Ukrainian civilians.

 

Militarily, that may not necessarily suit Ukraine. While its ground forces have been pulling back, both in Kursk and in parts of the frontline in Ukraine, its long-range drone attacks have been scoring a lot of direct hits on Russian oil installations. This in turn has had an impact on Russian military logistics, but will now have to pause.

[Beonegro]

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed during a lengthy call Tuesday to seek a limited ceasefire against energy and infrastructure targets in the Russia-Ukraine war, according to the White House.

The White House described it as the first step in a “movement to peace” it hopes will eventually include a maritime ceasefire in the Black Sea and a full and lasting end to the fighting.

“Both leaders agreed this conflict needs to end with a lasting peace,” the White House said in a statement. “The blood and treasure that both Ukraine and Russia have been spending in this war would be better spent on the needs of their people.”

 

Tok razgovora, aproksimetli:

 

dnevna doza: ljubim ruke hazjajine vladimire vladimiroviču, hau ken aj mejk majself juzful?

putler: sliši krasnov, Ukrajinci mi razjebaše sve rafinerije, ostali su mi samo Komsomoslk na Amuru i Habarovsk, a ni one neće dugo kako je krenulo, nego ili daj šalji naci boja da pravi elektične motore za tenkove, ili smisli nešto!

DD: ou nou mister prezident, naci boj iz maj bos!

p: ja tvoj šef!

dd: ju maj big bos, bat naci boj maj bos in juesovej!

p: pa šta ćemo onda?

dd: aj tel ivil midžet not tu target rašan rifajneriz if for pis! ic gonabi grejt!

p: suka bljat! da nije to malo providno?!

dd: lec traj terifs agenst ivil midžet! ic gonabi greeeeejt!

p: sliši krasnov! reci da je prva faza primirja da ne gađaju više naše rafinerije... ovaj, da se ne gađa energetska infrastruktura! Mislim, neka bude infrastruktura uopšte, manje je očigledno. Bar jedno 30 dana, dok uštekamo malo dizela za tenkove!

dd: tenkju vladimir vladimirovič! ic gonabi greeeeeeejt. ic gonabi fentestik. Aj vil mejk pis in tvonifor auerz!

[Klotzen]

Ovo je dogovor u fazonu ajde bar nešto da dogovrimo da nam se svet ne smeje. Ovo jeste nešto ali realno ta oružja koja bi inače ispalili jedni drugima na infrastrukturu će samo biti odložena 30 dana pa će onda da se ponovo ispale. Dugoročno ne znači mnogo. Pored ovoga Rusi su prihvatili da oslobode 23 ranjena Ukrajinska vojnika, veroatno oni što su u životnoj opasnosti pa da im ne umru kao zarobljenici. Počeće i pregovori o primirju na moru za koji dan, pretpostavljam da ovo takođe može da se dogovori jer ne utiče mnogo na rat.

 

putin traži da se prekine pomoć Ukrajini i deljenje obaveštajnih informacija u tih 30 dana da bi pristao na primirje. To znači da želi da obezbedi sebi prednost da bude još jači od Ukrajine nakon tih 30 dana. To Ukrajinu šalje u još goru poziciju nakon jednog takvog primirja i tokom primirja će veći pritisak biti na njih da dođu do dogovora nego na putina.

[Dragan]

 

Edited March 18 by Dragan

[Rex]

Narandžasti može da se hvali da je "nešto uradio" iako nije ništa uradio, situacija na terenu se nije promenila, Ukrajina krvari, a Putin se seiri. Gadno je, baš gadno vreme u kome živimo.

[nonick]

Ma Tranf je 9D sahom onemogucio da Kina igra hokej na ledu, nema te vi pojma.

[djura.net]

bbc

 

Russian forces carried out drone attacks on two hospitals in Ukraine’s northern Sumy region, Ukrainian officials say.

 

Within hours of the Putin-Trump conversation concluding yesterday, a drone hit a hospital in the city of Sumy with 147 patients and 22 staff inside, a statement from Ukrainian prosecutors say.

 

Then, in the early hours of Wednesday, six drones attacked a hospital in the regional town of Krasnopillya with 49 patients and 11 staff inside, the statement says.

 

It adds that the building sustained significant damage but no one was hurt because they were in a shelter at the time of the attack.

[Don Dusko]

Hehe ko se nadao da ce Rusi da se pridrzavaju dogovora....

[Klotzen]

Dogovor važi samo za Energetsku infrastrukturu. Bolnice će nastaviti da gađaju kao i do sada.

[Beonegro]

 

WASHINGTON, March 18 (Reuters) - Democratic U.S. lawmakers will call on President Donald Trump's administration to restore a program that helps track thousands of Ukrainian children abducted by Russia, and to use sanctions to punish those responsible for the rights violation.

As it slashes a wide range of U.S. government programs and most foreign aid, the Republican president's administration has ended a government-funded initiative led by Yale University's Humanitarian Research Lab (Yale HRL) that tracked the mass deportation of children from Ukraine, the lawmakers said.

 

Jebem im mater zločinačku i kretensku

[Beonegro]

Ovo stvarno neprijatno liči na rasparčavanje Poljske:

 

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Wednesday that they had a constructive call about moving toward a partial ceasefire between Kyiv and Moscow, with the White House suggesting the U.S. could take control of Ukrainian power plants to ensure their security.

Trump told Zelenskyy that the U.S could be “very helpful in running those plants with its electricity and utility expertise,” according to a White House statement from Secretary of State Marco Rubio and national security adviser Mike Waltz that described the call as “fantastic.”

Trump added that “American ownership of those plants could be the best protection for that infrastructure.” 

[DJ_Vasa]

17 minutes ago, Beonegro said:

Ovo stvarno neprijatno liči na rasparčavanje Poljske:

 

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Wednesday that they had a constructive call about moving toward a partial ceasefire between Kyiv and Moscow, with the White House suggesting the U.S. could take control of Ukrainian power plants to ensure their security.

Trump told Zelenskyy that the U.S could be “very helpful in running those plants with its electricity and utility expertise,” according to a White House statement from Secretary of State Marco Rubio and national security adviser Mike Waltz that described the call as “fantastic.”

Trump added that “American ownership of those plants could be the best protection for that infrastructure.” 

 

Tramp je odličan primer za jedno od značenja reči kurva. Kako kažu definicije, to je „osoba bez karaktera, onaj koji je sklon varanju i lažima, sklon podvali [velika kurva]”.

[Rex]

4 hours ago, Beonegro said:

Ovo stvarno neprijatno liči na rasparčavanje Poljske:

 

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Wednesday that they had a constructive call about moving toward a partial ceasefire between Kyiv and Moscow, with the White House suggesting the U.S. could take control of Ukrainian power plants to ensure their security.

Trump told Zelenskyy that the U.S could be “very helpful in running those plants with its electricity and utility expertise,” according to a White House statement from Secretary of State Marco Rubio and national security adviser Mike Waltz that described the call as “fantastic.”

Trump added that “American ownership of those plants could be the best protection for that infrastructure.” 

 

Čitam SF ceo svoj život, prilično sam upoznat, ali ništa nije moglo da me pripremi na to da živim u tajmlajnu u kome je moćna Amerika - zla.

[40Wins]

A sta bi ono sa mineralima? Potparolka USA rekla u fazonu idemo dalje?

[Beonegro]

 

Još malo o opkoljenim ukrajinskim vojnicima i uskislom prolivu u narandžastoj glavi:

 

Exclusive: Intelligence shared with White House shows Ukrainians not 'encircled' in Kursk 

 

NEW YORK, March 20 (Reuters) - Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk have lost ground in recent days but are not encircled by Russian forces, contrary to recent comments by U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to three U.S. and European officials familiar with their governments' intelligence assessments.

U.S. intelligence agencies, including the CIA, have shared that assessment with the White House over the past week, a U.S. official and another person familiar with the matter said. However, Trump has continued to claim that Ukrainian troops are surrounded in western Russia's Kursk region.

The U.S. and European intelligence assessments show that Ukrainian troops have faced intense pressure from Russian forces but they are not completely surrounded, the officials said.

Trump has said he hopes to bring a quick end to Russia's war in Ukraine. Experts described a claim by Putin on March 13 that Ukrainian forces in Kursk were cut off and would ultimately need to “surrender or die” as misinformation intended to show that Russia is offering concessions by saving the lives of Ukrainian soldiers, giving Putin leverage in ceasefire negotiations.

In a social media post on March 14, Trump said he had asked the Russian president to spare the lives of thousands of Ukrainians who he said were "completely surrounded" and vulnerable. Putin said that he would do so if they surrendered.

Trump repeated the claim about "encircled" Ukrainian forces during a speech at Washington's Kennedy Center on Monday and in a Fox News interview on Tuesday.

The U.S. National Security Council did not respond directly to questions about the intelligence assessments but referred Reuters to a joint statement from Secretary of State Marco Rubio and National Security Adviser Mike Waltz that mentioned Trump's call with Zelenskiy on Wednesday and how the two leaders agreed to continue to share intelligence on Kursk.

The White House, the CIA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence all declined to comment.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has denied that Ukrainian forces are surrounded and said Putin was lying about the reality on the ground.

The Ukrainian leader acknowledged his military is in a difficult position in Kursk and that he expects continued attacks from Russia as it attempts to push Ukrainian forces out of the region.

Zelenskiy's office and the Russian embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Since August, when Ukrainian soldiers smashed their way across Russia's western border in Kursk, Kyiv has lost almost all of the territory it gained. It once held close to 500 square miles of land but now only holds between 20 and 30 square miles, according to open source reports.

Trump spoke with Putin on Tuesday. During that call, the Russian leader said he would halt attacks on Ukraine's energy infrastructure for 30 days, a promise that fell short of the full 30-day ceasefire Trump has called for and that Zelenskiy has said Ukraine would be prepared to accept.

"This is likely part of Putin's effort to make the point that they are winning the war and that resistance is useless and that it is inevitable that Russia's greater strength will bring victory. That resonates with Trump," said Mark Cancian, a retired Marine Corps colonel and senior adviser with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

"Both sides are maneuvering to get into a better position for the negotiations."

Although Russian forces appear to be making incremental advances in Kursk, the officials who spoke to Reuters and experts who study the battlefield said Putin's March 13 statement was not accurate.

The Institute for the Study of War, a U.S.-based conflict monitor, said on March 14 that it had "observed no geolocated evidence to indicate that Russian forces have encircled a significant number of Ukrainian forces in Kursk Oblast or elsewhere along the frontline in Ukraine."