Epidemija koronavirusa (Covid-19 / SARS-Cov2) - dnevne aktuelnosti iz zemlje i sveta

[Angelia]

6 hours ago, JohnnyDragon said:

Druže Cat, da je dva meseca bila zatvorena svaka granica u svetu mi ovo ne bismo imali, OSIM ako ovaj virus može da ostane u vazduhu ili putuje bez vezivanja za ćeliju u nekom dužem intervalu.

To cak ni teoretski nije izvodljivo. Jer drustvo mora da funkcionise, a to znaci da su svi ti ljudi napolju.....i virus seta izmedju njih i ceka kad cemo i mi da izadjemo.

[Wookie]

Nije rekao da su ljudi trebali da budu zatvoreni, nego granice. Da nije bilo pušteno da leti ko kako stigne iz Kine i onda dalje, ne bi se virus u startu raširio. Ali kratkovidost globalnih industrijalaca i političara populista je pobedila. Nisu hteli nakratko da prekinu uvoz iz Kine, da ne bi oštetili globaliste koji gomilu poluproizvoda uvoze iz Kine i da se ne bi sekiralo ono par zavisnika od putovanja, koji ne mogu dva meseca da sede kod kuće i muvaju se unutar granica svoje zemlje i sad imamo to što imamo.

 

E sad kad su Kinezi solidno očistili svoju teritoriju od virusa, ne puštaju da im bilo ko uđe u zemlju i tako lako unese i raširi virus, relativno normalno žive i rade i zato njihova ekonomija ne pati toliko, koliko ostatak sveta. A nisu ni izgubili ljudi, koliko ostatak planete.

Edited January 7, 2022 by Wookie

[Angelia]

58 minutes ago, Wookie said:

Nije rekao da su ljudi trebali da budu zatvoreni, nego granice. Da nije bilo pušteno da leti ko kako stigne iz Kine i onda dalje, ne bi se virus u startu raširio. Ali kratkovidost globalnih industrijalaca i političara populista je pobedila. Nisu hteli nakratko da prekinu uvoz iz Kine, da ne bi oštetili globaliste koji gomilu poluproizvoda uvoze iz Kine i da se ne bi sekiralo ono par zavisnika od putovanja, koji ne mogu dva meseca da sede kod kuće i muvaju se unutar granica svoje zemlje i sad imamo to što imamo.

 

E sad kad su Kinezi solidno očistili svoju teritoriju od virusa, ne puštaju da im bilo ko uđe u zemlju i tako lako unese i raširi virus, relativno normalno žive i rade i zato njihova ekonomija ne pati toliko, koliko ostatak sveta. A nisu ni izgubili ljudi, koliko ostatak planete.

Dokazano je bilo da je virus vec izasao van granica Kine, svuda do trenutka kada je otkriven. A posle je jos proslo vreme dok se primetilo kako se prenosi i da gledamo u pandemiju. WHO je imao preporuku da se granice ne zatvraju - znaci nisu tu globalisti krivi, nego "strucnjaci".

Dobro se secam da kad je Tramp zaustavio letove iz Kine, da je napadnut kao rasista. Svako sad moze da naknadno bude pametan.

[urosg3]

1 minute ago, Angelia said:

Dokazano je bilo da je virus vec izasao van granica Kine, svuda do trenutka kada je otkriven. A posle je jos proslo vreme dok se primetilo kako se prenosi i da gledamo u pandemiju. WHO je imao preporuku da se granice ne zatvraju - znaci nisu tu globalisti krivi, nego "strucnjaci".

Dobro se secam da kad je Tramp zaustavio letove iz Kine, da je napadnut kao rasista. Svako sad moze da naknadno bude pametan.

A ja se sećam koliko je bio uspešan flight ban iz JAR pre par nedelja, kad su me ovde ubeđivali da je opravdan i da je cilj uspori širenje novog soja a ne maltretiranje ljudi.
Rezultat - ništa nije usporio, samo je jednom ograničenom broju građana sveta učinio život nepodnošljivijim nego što je inače u pandemiji.
Sve i da je usporio za dan ili dva ta dva dana su prošla a to vreme nije iskorišćeno ni za šta.

[Angelia]

Inace:

Nearly four in ten Covid patients in hospitals in England are not primarily being treated for the virus, according to official data that highlights the mildness of Omicron . 

NHS figures released today show there were around 13,000 beds occupied by coronavirus sufferers on January 4, of which nearly 4,850 were not mainly sick with the disease. It means close to 40 per cent of patients included in the Government's daily Covid statistics may have been admitted for something else, such as a broken leg.  

The share of so-called 'incidental' cases was even bigger in Omicron hotspot London, where 45 per cent of 'Covid patients' were not primarily in hospital for the virus. 

Experts say there is reason to believe that incidentals will continue to rise as the variant pushes England's infection rates to record highs, with one in 15 people estimated to have had Covid on New Year's Eve.  

In South Africa — ground zero of the Omicron outbreak — up to 60 per cent of Covid patients were not admitted primarily for the virus at the height of the crisis there. 

 

Tako da sada bi imalo smisla samo pratiti hospitalizaciju zbog virusa, i prica o "poplavljenim" bolnicama je dovedena u pitanje.

 

Meanwhile, researchers at Washington University modelling the next stage of the pandemic expect Omicron to kill up to 99 per cent fewer people than Delta, in another hint it could be less deadly than flu. 

No accurate infection-fatality rate (IFR), which is always just a fraction of the CFR because it reflects deaths among everyone who catches the virus, has yet been published for Delta. 

But UK Government advisers estimated the overall figure stood at around 0.25 per cent before Omicron burst onto the scene, down from highs of around 1.5 per cent before the advent of life-saving vaccines. 

If Omicron is 99 per cent less lethal than Delta, it suggests the current IFR could be as low as 0.0025 per cent, the equivalent of one in 40,000, although experts say this is unlikely. Instead, the Washington modelling estimates the figure actually sits in the region of 0.07 per cent, meaning approximately one in 1,430 people who get infected will succumb to the illness.  

Leading researchers estimate flu's IFR to sit between 0.01 and 0.05 per cent but argue comparing rates for the two illnesses is complicated.

 

Pa da nazdravimo 

[Ridji]

21 hours ago, koca popovic said:

Evo jedna mala podrska. Citah prije 2-3 sata da je Danska strategija da se svi zaraze u roku3-4 mjeseca i da je sto se pandemije tice u Danskoj kraj price. Jedino o cemu ce se brinuti da upravljaju sa zarazom da ne dodje do preopterecenja u bolnicama. Ovo je izjavila neka njihova jedna od glavnih epidemiologa. 

Možda bi i imalo nade za takvu strategiju da bije primera kao Zvedzin košarkaš, imao koronu pre mesec, mesec ipo (očigledno delta) pre 3-4 dana opet pozitivan (verovatno omikron)

[djura.net]

1 hour ago, urosg3 said:

Rezultat - ništa nije usporio, samo je jednom ograničenom broju građana sveta učinio život nepodnošljivijim nego što je inače u pandemiji.
Sve i da je usporio za dan ili dva ta dva dana su prošla a to vreme nije iskorišćeno ni za šta.

kako nije nista usporio? kako si dosao do tog zakljucka?

zabrana letova je bila sasvim opravdana u tom trenutku i svakako je usporila sirenje virusa inace bi ove brojke imali jos pre dve nedelje (verovatno i ranije), sasvim dovoljno vremena za ozbiljne institucije i sisteme da urade sve sto je neophodno. evo, recimo nasa Vlada je iskoristila to vreme da organizuje novogodisnje proslave, sta ces vise? 

[todorovic]

Ja samo da se pozdravim.

37.5

2. Astra pre 7 meseci, u ponedeljak buster fajzer.

 

U utorak u kafani verovatno zakacio.

[erwin]

@djura.net

 

Pa ti ne znaš, čovek je lično odgovoran za sve moguće nabavke vakcina/lekova/testova/maski/medicinskog materijala i uređaja i angažovanje ljudi koji rade praćenje kontakata u svim zemljama koje su uvele zabrane letova pa zato sa sigurnošću može da tvrdi da nijednoj od njih odlaganje od nekoliko dana nije ništa pomoglo.

 

Na stranu što očigledno nije dobro da veliki talasi nastupaju istovremeno u mnogim zemljama zato što ceo svet deli iste zalihe vakcina/lekova/testova/maski/medicinskog materijala, evo već vidimo da u različitim zemljama postoji nestašica testova, evo i u SAD su opet zaplenjivali zalihe privatnih firmi kao na početku pandemije.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 7, 2022 by erwin

[erwin]

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Ed Yong

9h, 16 tweets, 6 min read

🚨I wrote about what this surge is doing to the healthcare system.
It's bad.
Though less severe, Omicron is spreading quickly enough to inundate hospitals, which can't handle the strain cos so many healthcare workers had quit or are now sick. 1/

 

The most important thing about this surge: It comes *after all the others*, & finds a workforce that’s exhausted, demoralized, & smaller because of waves of resignations.
Today’s system can’t handle what it used to handle. It must now handle a LOT. 2/

 

COVID hospitalizations rose 40k to 65k in the 7 weeks before Christmas, and then to 110k in the 2 wks since.

The CDC is forecasting 25-54k extra patients *per day* by end-Jan.
That's... not good. 3/

 

Are these people with other problems who incidentally have Covid? Every doc/nurse I asked said no.

Vast majority have respiratory problems, or chronic illness that Covid tipped over the edge.
They're hospitalized by Covid, not simply with Covid. 4/

 

Omicron's less severe, so the average COVID patient in 2022 will be less sick than the one in 2021.
BUT tho the *percentage* of very sick people is lower, the *absolute number* is still high because the variant is spreading so quickly. 5/

 

So here's the bind: Omicron is less severe for individuals, but it’s disastrous for the health-care system that those individuals need. Once again, personal risk and collective risk are at odds, and the former is masking the latter. 6/

 

(Caveat: Many of the healthcare workers I talked to are seeing signs of Omicron's reduced severity in practice, which is great. But some aren't, which may be because a LOT of ppl are still unvaccinated & there's still a lot of Delta. Remember Delta? theatlantic.com/health/archive… 7/)

 

Some people argue that other countries got off lightly with Omicron. But compared to the US, those either have younger populations (SAfrica) or more vax/boosters (UK/Denmark). The same decoupling of cases/hosp’ns isn't guaranteed here. 8/

 

Hospital short-staffing was bad before Covid, and got worse as droves of people quit. It’s unbearable now cos unprecedented numbers of HCWs are out of play with breakthrough infections. Even places with fewer patients than last year feel fuller. 9/

 

To be clear, this isn’t just about Covid. Medical care is straining. People are sitting in emergency rooms for 6-12 hours waiting to be seen. Docs are discharging people who should be admitted cos there’s nowhere to put them. 10/

 

The whole system is straining.
▶️Pharmacists are sick -> people can’t get tests/meds -> they go to hospital sicker.
▶️Lab technicians are sick -> test results are delayed
▶️Longterm care facilities are hammered -> many patients can’t be discharged 11/

 

Morale is failing. Healthcare workers see the reality of the pandemic daily. Then everywhere else, they see people living the fantasy that it’s over. The rest of the country is hell-bent on returning to normal, but their choices mean that HCWs cannot. 12/

 

This is what it looks like when a healthcare system collapses. It’s not a dramatic, movie-style thing. First, it’s just *a lot of waiting*. Things take longer, then they don’t happen. Care gets gradually worse. More staff leave. This is happening now. 13/

 

Many proposed solutions—troops! antivirals!—are insufficient, and can’t be deployed at scale or in time. Unbelievably, it’s 2022, and the fate of the healthcare system once again depends on flattening the curve, in days not weeks. 14/

 

And even then, when hospitalizations fall, it won't be over because, frankly, many healthcare workers have just had enough. More and more are talking about leaving—maybe not now, but perhaps once the adrenaline and need start to fade. 15/

 

And again, this is no longer just about Covid. It's now about our ability to get the standard of medical care that we've come to expect for *anything*. If you're impervious to harm or disease, or can regenerate, you can sit this one out. Otherwise... Fin/

 

 

[erwin]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ridji]

10 hours ago, Sunshine State said:

"U beogradskim kovid ambulantama na praznik nema gužvi"

 

Bas zanimljivo - virus se primiri vikendom i za praznike!! Da je danas redovan petak, bile bi ogromne guzve - sta se danas desava s onima koji imaju simptome, zasto danas ne idu u covid ambulante? 

Slicno pitanje i za vikend...

 

Pa to je ono Neću valjda praznik da provedem po bolnicama i ambulantama razmišljanje…

[Pletilja]

6 hours ago, erwin said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ziva istina, to, o preziranju svake vijuge izvesnih: juce, skolska, susret u parku, kaze: "Muz ima kovid, 10 dana sam ga lecila kod kuce i vidi - nista mi nije, u zivotu nisam ni jednom imala grip, ne, nismo vakcinisani". Zena, majka, kraljica.....muza samo sto joj nisu okacinili na respirator, u bolnici je,  a ona ovako razmislja? Ako je to sve rekla meni, verovatno se pohvalila i drugima? Dobila je sta je dobila, sve po redu sta mislim o nevakcinisanim matorim babama i mutacijama, digla nos i uvredjeno odperjala dalje. Ne shvatajuci da je samo izuzetak i da ce na dusi da nosi - pravilo.

[Tomiprunet]

To je stvarno strasno koliko se ljudi ne paze i misle da je ovo neki jaci grip. Ali iz pouzdanih izvora sam cuo, da su kod pacijenata u nasim bolnicama terapije novi lekovi, koji se ovde kod nas testiraju bas zbog toga. Kaze izvor pogotovo u Novom Sadu u bolnici su postavili sve mlade medicinske radnike, koji su "priuceni" medicinari i dodeljena im je lista to i to i to se daje pacijentima kao tretman. Bez obzira na stanje pacijenata, istoruju bolesti ili bilo cega, svi dobijaju isto. 

Ne hvali se dzabe Vucic kako mi prvi dobijemo vakcine, medicamente za borbu protiv covid-19.

Ove tretmane ne dobijaju oni pacijenti kojima se da antibiotik i da se lece kuci.

 

O ovome sam verovatno pisao da je bilo takvih slucajeva i kod nas u Subotici, bar 3 su mi pricali da kad su bili u bolnici i lecili se da su bili kao osamuceni ili drogirani ( ne zbog covida) vec zbog tih novih lekova.

Edited January 8, 2022 by Tomiprunet

[Jataganac]

9 hours ago, Ridji said:

Pa to je ono Neću valjda praznik da provedem po bolnicama i ambulantama razmišljanje…

 

Pa zar nije lepse barem za taj praznik biti okruzen porodicom i prijateljima, nego cekati ispred kovid ambulante? Moze pregled da saceka jedan dan, treba nekad sebi dati oduska i uzivati...

[Eddard]

14 hours ago, Angelia said:

Inace:

 

Inače, ne bih da cepidlačim, ali imaš li neki bolji izvor od Daily Maila?

 

4 hours ago, Tomiprunet said:

To je stvarno strasno koliko se ljudi ne paze i misle da je ovo neki jaci grip. Ali iz pouzdanih izvora sam cuo, da su kod pacijenata u nasim bolnicama terapije novi lekovi, koji se ovde kod nas testiraju bas zbog toga. Kaze izvor pogotovo u Novom Sadu u bolnici su postavili sve mlade medicinske radnike, koji su "priuceni" medicinari i dodeljena im je lista to i to i to se daje pacijentima kao tretman. Bez obzira na stanje pacijenata, istoruju bolesti ili bilo cega, svi dobijaju isto. 

Ne hvali se dzabe Vucic kako mi prvi dobijemo vakcine, medicamente za borbu protiv covid-19.

Ove tretmane ne dobijaju oni pacijenti kojima se da antibiotik i da se lece kuci.

 

O ovome sam verovatno pisao da je bilo takvih slucajeva i kod nas u Subotici, bar 3 su mi pricali da kad su bili u bolnici i lecili se da su bili kao osamuceni ili drogirani ( ne zbog covida) vec zbog tih novih lekova.

 

Nećemo ovako, Slaviša. Ovakvim teorijama zavere ovde nama mesta. Već tri bana zbog sličnih stvari (5 dana, 5 dana, 10 dana), sada 30 dana i poslednje upozorenje.

[Sunshine State]

Ludilo mozga!

 

Hilandjani uvelu lockdow, pozatvarali sve non-essential prodavnice pred Bozic, i Holandjani nagrnuli u Belgiju i Nenacku.

Antwerpenske prodavnice zahvalne na ovom (vidi dole), a Holandjani, i ako se zaraze tokom sopinga u Belgiji, opet ce zavrsiti u holandskim bolnicama!

 

""The two-week invasion has made up for everything lost during the pandemic last year," manager of the store 4Geeks told HLN. "During the end-of-year period, we normally have a turnover of 3,000 euros per day. This year we knocked on a daily turnover of 10,000 to 12,000 euros. Thanks for that, Holland," the manager said.

[Kronostime]

1 minute ago, Sunshine State said:

Ludilo mozga!

 

Hilandjani uvelu lockdow, pozatvarali sve non-essential prodavnice pred Bozic, i Holandjani nagrnuli u Belgiju i Nenacku.

Antwerpenske prodavnice zahvalne na ovom (vidi dole), a Holandjani, i ako se zaraze tokom sopinga u Belgiji, opet ce zavrsiti u holandskim bolnicama!

 

""The two-week invasion has made up for everything lost during the pandemic last year," manager of the store 4Geeks told HLN. "During the end-of-year period, we normally have a turnover of 3,000 euros per day. This year we knocked on a daily turnover of 10,000 to 12,000 euros. Thanks for that, Holland," the manager said.

Boli te uvo, ti si sad u Sremu, valjda.

[BojanaCZV]

Ogromne su guzve za testiranje bile i juce i danas.

[Sunshine State]

4 minutes ago, BojanaCZV said:

Ogromne su guzve za testiranje bile i juce i danas.

 

I u mom gradu 😞

[erwin]

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ATHENS, Greece (AP) — Greece’s government on Friday issued a civil mobilization order that will oblige some doctors in the private sector to support the state health service during a surge in COVID-19 infections driven by the omicron variant.

The emergency order will take effect next Wednesday, affecting doctors specialized in pathology, pulmonology and anesthesiology in four regions in northern Greece where state hospitals are suffering acute staffing shortages.

 

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-health-europe-greece-f08c0a3581d98f73d61ec8bea89e1679

[urosg3]

Maske štite 100% od Omicrona

Bolje od vakcine!

Dakle sad je jasno; Ko se zarazi Omikronom nije nosio masku i tačka. Sam je kriv!

 

[Kronostime]

4 minutes ago, urosg3 said:

Maske štite 100% od Omicrona

Bolje od vakcine!

Dakle sad je jasno; Ko se zarazi Omikronom nije nosio masku i tačka. Sam je kriv!

 

[Wookie]

Uroše, otkud tebi ta fobija od maski? Šta su ti jadne maske toliko skrivile? 🤣

[zoe Bg]

7652/22947/23

 

Na respiratoru 83

 

U bolnicama 2216