[USA] SJEDINJENE AMERIČKE DRŽAVE - unutrašnja politika i uticaj na svetska kretanja

[Angelia]

49 minutes ago, nonick said:

Mislis glasove koje su biraci poslali pred zadnjeg dana izbora ali ce tek stici na pregled/brojanje posle najmanje dva-tri dana? 

 

 

Mislim glasovi koji nemaju datum slanja jasan da su poslati pre dana izbora. Takvi se nikad pre nisu racunali pa ne vidim ni zasto bi sada. Ali to ce odluciti SC. 

[bohumilo]

Jos malo priloga za hroniku Opste istorije bescasca:

 

 

Bajdenovi crnokosuljasi u Njujorku napali jevrejski konvoj:

 

Family describes horror as violent maskless rioters throw rocks, attack 'Jews for Trump' convoy

 

 

U Filadelfiji spalili vijetnamsku crkvu:

 

 

Nasilje, reketiranje, kradja, fasisticko arlaukanje "smrt Americi" na sve strane (bice tu materijala za demokraturske kongresmene, samo se isturpijaju zubi, nabaci kakvo skupceno odelo i jurisnici spremni da vode Ameriku u socijalizam, u "zeleni skok napred", u ropstvo i bedu)  

  

  

Recju, sve ono sto novinari laznih mediji (dok su uopste smeli da izvestavaju o fasistickim orgijama) - usrani od straha da se crne kosulje i njima ne pojave na kucnom pragu - zovu "mirni protesti":

  

 

 

 

E sada, Mark Tven je bio u pravu kada je napisao da se istorija rimuje, ali rimovati je znao i veliki srpski pesnik Brana Petrovic. Kada gledam ove scene uvek zacujem kako dobuju njegova razbrajalica o boljsevickoj pljacki postanske kocije u Tbilisiju...tapa-tapa-tapa  tapa-tapa-tapa / tapa-tapa-tapa  tapa-tapa-tapa...

 

Ko Ale Kapone, vičan revolveru,
Lenjin ispred Banke, na puškinskom skveru.

 

Obaška ideal, i Marks, i još dublje –
Za poslove revolucije trebaju i rublje.

 

Spreman na sve, na smrt i na borbu –
Lenjin zapoveda: Napunite torbu.

 

Bankari šta će, vide čovek-kobra
Lenjin briše s novcem kroz pustoš Oktobra!

 

U gluvu ponoć, ispod carskog mosta,
Staljin broji pare …Kaže: biće dosta.

 

(B.P., "Lenjin pljačka banku")
 

 

 

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btw, sto se tice materijalne stete, ovo je najskuplje ulicno nasilje u americkoj istoriji. Pocetkom septembra je bio podatak samo o isplacenim polisama osiguranja, cija je suma isla do 2 milijarde dolara. Ali treba razumeti da je steta jos i mnogo veca. Naravno, nenadoknadiv gubitak koji ne ulazi u ovu sumu su izgubljeni zivoti i bol njihovih porodica i prijatelja zbog toga, kao i pretprljeno nasilje i strah koje su mnogi drugi, prebijeni i uplaseni ljudi doziveli. Ali sama materijalna steta je veca od ove sume - recimo 40% malih biznisa nema uopste nikakvo osiguranje i njihovi troskovi nisu iskazani u ovih 2 mlrd.

 

Ali zajednice koje su njihovi deputati predali na nemilost falangama ce glavnicu cene tek platiti, kroz dugorocnu ekonomsku stetu. Ona ce se iskazati kroz smanjenje ekonomske aktivnosti (mnogi biznise se nakon ovoga nikad nece otvoriti), bezaniju biznisa i stanovnika, opadanje cene nekretninta, povecanje cena osiguranja (ali i cena ostale robe, generalno), opadanje poreskih prinosa itd, itd, sto je sve vidjeno i dobro dokumentovano tokom prethodnih epizoda ulicnog nasilja:

 

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43197079?seq=1

 

https://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/freakonomics/pdf/MargoRiotsRain.pdf

Edited October 29, 2020 by bohumilo

[Angelia]

Cenzura medija i auto-cenzura koja se desava ovih dana je neverovatna. I definitivno pokazuje problem koji imamo u medijima. 

Levicari su krenuli da jedu svoju decu. Glenn Greenwald je dao otkaz u mediju u kome je bio su-osnivac, zbog pokusaja cenzure texta u kome kritikuje medije za ponasanje sa pricom o Bidenu i laptopu, i gde poteze neka teza pitanja. Text je objavio u izvornom obliku na svom blogu:

 

TITLE: THE REAL SCANDAL: U.S. MEDIA USES FALSEHOODS TO DEFEND JOE BIDEN FROM HUNTER’S EMAILS

 

Publication by the New York Post two weeks ago of emails from Hunter Biden's laptop, relating to Vice President Joe Biden's work in Ukraine, and subsequent articles from other outlets concerning the Biden family's pursuit of business opportunities in China, provoked extraordinary efforts by a de facto union of media outlets, Silicon Valley giants and the intelligence community to suppress these stories.

One outcome is that the Biden campaign concluded, rationally, that there is no need for the front-running presidential candidate to address even the most basic and relevant questions raised by these materials. Rather than condemn Biden for ignoring these questions -- the natural instinct of a healthy press when it comes to a presidential election -- journalists have instead led the way in concocting excuses to justify his silence.

After the Post’s first article, both that newspaper and other news outlets have published numerous other emails and texts purportedly written to and from Hunter reflecting his efforts to induce his father to take actions as Vice President beneficial to the Ukrainian energy company Burisma, on whose board of directors Hunter sat for a monthly payment of $50,000, as well as proposals for lucrative business deals in China that traded on his influence with his father.

Individuals included in some of the email chains have confirmed the contents' authenticity. One of Hunter’s former business partners, Tony Bubolinski, has stepped forward on the record to confirm the authenticity of many of the emails and to insist that Hunter along with Joe Biden's brother Jim were planning on including the former Vice President in at least one deal in China. And GOP pollster Frank Luntz, who appeared in one of the published email chains, appeared to confirm the authenticity as well, though he refused to answer follow-up questions about it.

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Publication of that initial New York Post story provoked a highly unusual censorship campaign by Facebook and Twitter. Facebook, through a long-time former Democratic Party operative, vowed to suppress the story pending its “fact-check,” one that has as of yet produced no public conclusions. And while Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey apologized for Twitter’s handling of the censorship and reversed the policy that led to the blocking of all links the story, the New York Post, the nation’s fourth-largest newspaper, continues to be locked out of its Twitter account, unable to post as the election approaches, for almost two weeks.

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The few mainstream journalists who tried merely to discuss these materials have been vilified. For the crime of simply noting it on Twitter that first day, New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman had her name trend all morning along with the derogatory nickname “MAGA Haberman.” CBS News’ Bo Erickson was widely attacked even by his some in the media simply for asking Biden what his response to the story was. And Biden himself refused to answer, accusing Erickson of spreading a "smear."

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To justify her own show’s failure to cover the story, 60 Minutes’ Leslie Stahl resorted to an entirely different justification. “It can’t be verified,” the CBS reporter claimed when confronted by President Trump in an interview about her program’s failure to cover the Hunter Biden documents. When Trump insisted there were multiple ways to verify the materials on the laptop, Stahl simply repeated the same phrase: “it can’t be verified.”

After the final presidential debate on Thursday night, a CNN panel mocked the story as too complex and obscure for anyone to follow -- a self-fulfilling prophecy given that, as the network's media reporter Brian Stelter noted with pride, the story has barely been mentioned either on CNN or MSNBC. As the New York Times noted on Friday: "most viewers of CNN and MSNBC would not have heard much about the unconfirmed Hunter Biden emails.... CNN’s mentions of “Hunter” peaked at 20 seconds and MSNBC’s at 24 seconds one day last week."

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First, the claim that the material is of suspect authenticity or cannot be verified -- the excuse used on behalf of Biden by Leslie Stahl and Christiane Amanpour, among others -- is blatantly false for numerous reasons. As someone who has reported similar large archives in partnership with numerous media outlets around the world (including the Snowden archive in 2014 and the Intercept’s Brazil Archive over the last year showing corruption by high-level Bolsonaro officials), and who also covered the reporting of similar archives by other outlets (the Panama Papers, the WikiLeaks war logs of 2010 and DNC/Podesta emails of 2016), it is clear to me that the trove of documents from Hunter Biden’s emails has been verified in ways quite similar to those.

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Second, the oft-repeated claim from news outlets and CIA operatives that the published emails and texts were “Russian disinformation” was, from the start, obviously baseless and reckless. No evidence — literally none — has been presented to suggest involvement by any Russians in the dissemination of these materials, let alone that it was part of some official plot by Moscow. As always, anything is possible — when one does not know for certain what the provenance of materials is, nothing can be ruled out — but in journalism, evidence is required before news outlets can validly start blaming some foreign government for the release of information. And none has ever been presented. Yet the claim that this was "Russian disinformation" was published in countless news outlets, television broadcasts, and the social media accounts of journalists, typically by pointing to the evidence-free claims of ex-CIA officials.

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Third, the media rush to exonerate Biden on the question of whether he engaged in corruption vis-a-vis Ukraine and Burisma rested on what are, at best, factually dubious defenses of the former Vice President. Much of this controversy centers on Biden's aggressive efforts while Vice President in late 2015 to force the Ukrainian government to fire its Chief Prosecutor, Viktor Shokhin, and replace him with someone acceptable to the U.S., which turned out to be Yuriy Lutsenko. These events are undisputed by virtue of a video of Biden boasting in front of an audience of how he flew to Kiev and forced the Ukrainians to fire Shokhin, upon pain of losing $1 billion in aid.

But two towering questions have long been prompted by these events, and the recently published emails make them more urgent than ever: 1) was the firing of the Ukrainian General Prosecutor such a high priority for Biden as Vice President of the U.S. because of his son's highly lucrative role on the board of Burisma, and 2) if that was not the motive, why was it so important for Biden to dictate who the chief prosecutor of Ukraine was?

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That a media outlet should even consider refraining from reporting on materials they know to be authentic and in the public interest because of questions about their provenance is the opposite of how journalism has been practiced. In the days before the 2016 election, for instance, the New York Times received by mail one year of Donald Trump's tax returns and -- despite having no idea who sent it to them or how that person obtained it: was is stolen or hacked by a foreign power? -- the Times reported on its contents.

 

 

Veoma interesantan text i analiza zasto mediji stite Bidena, a i zasto ima dovoljno materijala da se ispituje Bidenovo koriscenje pozicije.

Predugacak je da celog kopiram pa koga interesuje ima link.

 

[nonick]

1 hour ago, Angelia said:

 

 

 

Veoma interesantan text i analiza zasto mediji stite Bidena, a i zasto ima dovoljno materijala da se ispituje Bidenovo koriscenje pozicije.

 

 

 

Pa ima sigurno nesto i da US media - fake news -  hoce da skine Trump-a sa vlasti. Ako jos nisi primetio.

 

 

 

 

[Angelia]

35 minutes ago, nonick said:

 

Pa ima sigurno nesto i da US media - fake news -  hoce da skine Trump-a sa vlasti. Ako jos nisi primetio.

 

 

 

 

La, la, la

I jesam primetila, samo sto je to neprofesionalno, opasno i totalitarno, da ne pominjemo protivustavno

[bohumilo]

Ali ne samo to, vec je ovo omogucilo Amerikancima da iskristalisu prave, ozbiljne, odgovorne i pre svega hrabre*** (narocito u ovom trenutku nadiranja totalitarnih falangi) medije i novinare od laznih vesti i politicko-ideoloske naobrazbe:

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2020/10/27/tucker-carlson-leads-fox-news-to-highest-rated-month-in-prime-ever/?sh=52771119511e

 

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Fox News Channel host Tucker Carlson had the highest-rated show in cable news in October, smashing ratings records and driving Fox News to its biggest prime time monthly average in the network’s history. Tucker Carlson Tonight drew an average audience of 5.359 million viewers—the largest monthly audience for any program in the history of cable news.

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-tony-bobulinski-interview-draws-7-6-million-viewers

Tucker Carlson's explosive Bobulinski interview draws 7.6M viewers as mainstream media ignores it

Tucker Carlson Tonight' picked up its most-watched episode of 2020, excluding debate nights

 

 

 

 

*** podseticu na cinjenicu da je zbog beskompromisnog pristupa svom poslu gospodin Carlson morao da se odseli na nepoznatu lokaciju jer su mu crnokosuljaski levicari dolazili na kucu i maltretirali mu, zastrasivli i na kraju proterali porodicu (sto je, paradoksalno, najvece priznanje kvaliteta njegovog rada). S druge strane, kod laznjaka, vec 4 godine "te jedno, te isto", "orange man bad", "mirni fasisti miroljubivo i pravedno jurisaju na ljude, gradove, crkve, radnje..." i slicne istinite vesti, recju:

 

 

 

ili drugom recju:

 

Unhinged leftist Chelsea Handler says she verbally assaulted conservatives in airports — and brags about it 'The View'

 

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During a Wednesday livestreamed appearance on the long-running daytime talk show, Handler revealed how she would purposely seek out Fox News viewers in airports to scream at them.

 

"Well, I would walk into the airports," she recalled. "I would go to the first class lounge, check in, and then run over to the Fox News section and start assaulting people. Like, I would go in and be, like, 'You're a racist'...

(da li je nocu navlacila carapu na glavu i isla da prebija gledaoce Fox News-a ili da im pali radnje - ostalo je nepoznato)

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

On 10/30/2020 at 4:36 PM, Angelia said:

La, la, la

I jesam primetila, samo sto je to neprofesionalno, opasno i totalitarno, da ne pominjemo protivustavno

 

A Fox je totalno profesionalan...

 

Svi mediji u svetu se bave istim, ili vode politiku vlasti ili su opozicioni, nema tu bas nesto veze sa profesionalnoscu... na prste ne mogu da se nabroje neutralni. 

[Angelia]

2 hours ago, Baby said:

 

A Fox je totalno profesionalan...

 

Svi mediji u svetu se bave istim, ili vode politiku vlasti ili su opozicioni, nema tu bas nesto veze sa profesionalnoscu... na prste ne mogu da se nabroje neutralni. 

Jel ti razumes protivustavno? Postoji razlika u biti naklonjen jednoj politickoj opciji, i cenzurisati slobodu govora. Nije to isto.

[ters]

8 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Jel ti razumes protivustavno? Postoji razlika u biti naklonjen jednoj politickoj opciji, i cenzurisati slobodu govora. Nije to isto.

Vlada ne smije cenzurisati slobodu govora. Privatna sredstva informisanja imaju pravo odluciti sta zele objaviti a sta ne. 

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

17 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Jel ti razumes protivustavno? Postoji razlika u biti naklonjen jednoj politickoj opciji, i cenzurisati slobodu govora. Nije to isto.

 

Ne razumem ja nista, zato imam tebe

 

Sta je protivustavno, sta pricas? Da novine pisu sta hoce i podrzavaju kog hoce? Kako, pa to je sloboda govora...

[Angelia]

14 minutes ago, ters said:

Vlada ne smije cenzurisati slobodu govora. Privatna sredstva informisanja imaju pravo odluciti sta zele objaviti a sta ne. 

Da li si video negde da sam ja napisala da je ilegalno? 

[ters]

16 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Da li si video negde da sam ja napisala da je ilegalno? 

Na sta se odnosi tvoje ukazivanje na protivustavno ogranicavanje slobode govora? Ko je tacno prekrsio ustav? CNN? Twitter? Facebook? Washington Post?

[Angelia]

30 minutes ago, ters said:

Na sta se odnosi tvoje ukazivanje na protivustavno ogranicavanje slobode govora? Ko je tacno prekrsio ustav? CNN? Twitter? Facebook? Washington Post?

Twitter i FB ce verovatno izgubiti zastitu koju trenutno imaju. Zato su i isli pred Senat, a veoma lako moze da se zavrsi i na election interference. Njih moze da spasi samo da Tramp i Republikanci izgube, Senat i Predsednika.

Sloboda govora i sloboda stampe jeste garantovana ustavom, za medije oni mogu da biraju sta hoce da pisu ali cenzura se protivi tome. To ce ih kostati komercijalno. 

[ters]

31 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Twitter i FB ce verovatno izgubiti zastitu koju trenutno imaju. Zato su i isli pred Senat, a veoma lako moze da se zavrsi i na election interference. Njih moze da spasi samo da Tramp i Republikanci izgube, Senat i Predsednika.

Sloboda govora i sloboda stampe jeste garantovana ustavom, za medije oni mogu da biraju sta hoce da pisu ali cenzura se protivi tome. To ce ih kostati komercijalno. 

Sve je to tacno ali be odgovara na pitanju - na koga si mislila kada si pomenula protivustavno plnasanje?

[ters]

Vjerovatno necu imati vremena da se javljam na na forumu u narednih par dana, pa samo zelim da nasim forumasima u USA pozelim mirne izbore i sigurnost za njih, njihove porodice i prijatelje. Iskreno se nadam da se moji strahovi nece ostvariti, i zelim da se ne ostvare - i zbog vas, i zbog svih nas ostalih u blizem i daljem komsiluku. 

 

 

 

 

[Angelia]

10 hours ago, ters said:

Sve je to tacno ali be odgovara na pitanju - na koga si mislila kada si pomenula protivustavno plnasanje?

N asve medije koji guse slobodu govora i slobodu stampe.

[Cyrus Smith]

Amerika i Engleska biće zemlja proleterska:

 

 

 

[bohumilo]

Demokraturski podanici se sirom zemlje spremaju za izbore - zatvarajuci se u bunkere sa dovoljno namirnica i cekajuci da im, ukoliko Bajden izgubi, sturmabteilung odredi nahrupe na vrata da ih tuku i pljackaju. Tako mu je to (sto bi rekli u Vonegatovoj Klanici 5) uvek sa fasizmom i totalitarizmom - ako se dripci ne zaustave na jednom stepeniku zla (najbolje na prvom, dok su u domenu komunalnih sluzbi i djubretara) penju se na sledeci, i td...

 

Businesses across nation board up windows ahead of potential Election Day unrest

 

 

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In an email sent to students last week, George Washington University suggested stockpiling frozen meals, medication and other supplies before Nov. 3 to prepare “for the Election Day period as you would for a hurricane or a snowstorm that would prevent you from going outside for several days to grab food or order takeout,” according to USA Today.

 

Eto, ovo su americki gradjani docekali. A ono sto je posebno groteskno u ovoj situaciji je da lazne vesti pitaju Trampa da li ce on mirno prihvatiti rezultate izbora 

 

 

 

 

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Evo jos par nasumicnih crtica sa fasistickih vikend-akcija od ovog vikenda:

 

  

  

 

[deez nuts.]

Niko ne spominje trampove fasisticke falange na auto-putevima? Zanimljivo.

Malo ih i FBI ceslja.

[NMX]

29 minutes ago, Sprivel said:

Niko ne spominje trampove fasisticke falange na auto-putevima? Zanimljivo.

Malo ih i FBI ceslja.

 

I sad, očekivao bi čovek da ako se ne ogradiš, makar prećutiš da imaš jebene falange koje kolima progone po autoputu...ne, ti to uzmeš i šeruješ, ohrabruješ i podržavaš uz I LOVE TEXAS.

 

Nekada mi Trampara bude simpa zbog apsolutno nekonvencionalnog pristupa, više bliskog našem političkom establišmentu nego američkom, a onda vidiš koja je to jebena majmunčina. 

 

Inače, baš me zanima @A sadmišljenje o post Traump republikancima. Kad stigne. U obe varijante, pobedio/izgubio sutra. Pitam jer mi se čini da se republikanci solidno distanciraju od njega, lepe dupe za zid i čekaju da prođe oluja. Neki dan kad je bio u Arizoni, ono ponašanje prema Marti Mek Seli...bukvalno kao da je jebeno kuče. Pretpostavljam iz razloga što je par dana ranije, fino prećutala i skrenula sa pitanja, kada je neka novinarka pitala da li podržava/slaže sa Trampovom politikom, ona krenula bla bla Arizona, dosta se uradilo, bla bla Arizona....

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

4 hours ago, Sprivel said:

Niko ne spominje trampove fasisticke falange na auto-putevima? Zanimljivo.

Malo ih i FBI ceslja.

 

 

Nekako ne prica o svojim busevima koje nisu platili pa su ostavili njegove glasace da se smrzavaju... 

 

"Stand back and stand by" ili vise nije na snazi jer donose sami odluke ili su dobili naredjenje

 

[Cyrus Smith]

Možda nisam našao pravi snimak ali nisam video nikakav napad i pokušaj da se autobus izgura sa puta. Ni fašisti nisu što su nekad bili.

[Amigo]

Dokle je to doslo da se i na forumu sire lazne vijesti 

[Angelia]

17 hours ago, bohumilo said:

 

Eto, ovo su americki gradjani docekali. A ono sto je posebno groteskno u ovoj situaciji je da lazne vesti pitaju Trampa da li ce on mirno prihvatiti rezultate izbora 

 

 

 

Inace isto u Filiju - jako tuzna slika, iako nama je stigla i nacionalna garda da nas stiti od "Kosovo za patike", anti-rasista.

[bohumilo]

7 hours ago, Angelia said:

Inace isto u Filiju - jako tuzna slika, iako nama je stigla i nacionalna garda da nas stiti od "Kosovo za patike", anti-rasista.

Primitivnu ideologiju karakterise primitivna metodologija - tako mu je (i) to, i u Srbiji i u Americi. Naravno da je doslo do nacionalne garde, opet kazem, kad se fasisti ne zaustave na jednom stepeniku penju se na sledeci. Ako u zacetku ne posaljes komunalce da ih speru smrkovima i metlama i onim zabavnim aparatima za duvanje lisca (nego ih tetoses kao sto je to radio Dvor u SAD ili u Srbiji) kasnije ces morati da posaljes policiju. Ako ne posaljes policiju kasnije ces morati da posaljes vojsku - Amerika je sada u toj fazi, i to zaista izgleda tuzno. Ako ne posaljes vojsku kasnije ce druge zemlje morati da posalju SVOJU vojsku, da odbrani ljude i da zastiti najelementarnija ljudska prava (do ovoga u SAD nece doci, jer su americki gradjani sami opasna i dobro naoruzana vojska, sposobna da zastiti svoja ljudska prava).