[USA] SJEDINJENE AMERIČKE DRŽAVE - unutrašnja politika i uticaj na svetska kretanja

[bohumilo]

13 hours ago, dude said:

Politika joj je skup lepih zelja, mir u svetu fazon.

Samo sto se ovde ne slazem, to nisu nikakve lepe zelje nego umobolna zudnja za moci i potcinjavanjem ljudi centralnoj komitetskoj komandi (radi se, kako rece sjajni istoricar Nil Ferguson, o savremenom "zelenom skoku napred"/ Green Leap Forward), sto uvek vodi zlu, siromastvu, nasilju, bezaniji iz zemlje, radnim logorima i slicnim svetlim tradicijama te idologije. A to sto neko kaze da ima lepe zelje i namere - da li je ikada bilo koji politicar tvrdio bilo sta drugo?

 

 

1 hour ago, uini said:

Conservative Men Are Obsessed With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Science Tells Us Why...

 

...said Caroline Heldman, a gender and politics professor at Occidental College.

 

https://www.oxy.edu/academics/faculty/caroline-heldman

 

Professor, Critical Theory and Social Justice
Department Chair, Gender, Women, & Sexuality Studies

 

 

...bolje da je ponudjeno "misljenje" iz horoskopa, posto ne samo da je astrologija ozbiljnija nauka od postmodernih "studija" i "teorija", nego i nije nastala kao podgrana totalitarne i zlocinacke ideologije*, niti su astrolozi u ogromnoj vecini obozavaoci takve ideologije, za razliku od svojih kolega "kriticnih teoreticara".

 

* marksizam, naravno

Edited July 26, 2020 by bohumilo

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2 hours ago, uini said:

evo npr zanimljivog mišljenja (ne znam dal' ste provalili šta sam uradio ovde)

 

Conservative Men Are Obsessed With Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Science Tells Us Why.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/conservatives-afraid-alexandria-ocasio-cortez_n_5c38cb74e4b05cb31c421cc3

 

 

 

 

edit: daklem, ukoliko ima nešto istine u datom istraživanju, onda po @mrd logici muskarci konzervativne provenijencije i nazora nisu sposobni da vode bilo koga u politickom smislu  😶

 

 

Ne razumem zasto ljudi moraju da izmisljaju retardirane teorije o AOC. Online levica nju voli zato sto je ekstremno far-left, a pobedila je u izboru protiv bitnog politicara koji je bio pri vrhu demokratske stranke u to vreme. 

 

Svi ostali vole da je zajebavaju jer je lako. Ona je budala, koja ne zna nista ni o cemu. Ima ekonomsku diplomu, a misli da je nezaposlenost niska jer ljudi rade 2 posla. Predlaze zakone poput "Green new deal" u kojim zahteva da u roku od 10 godina stavi solarne panele na svaku zgradu u Americi (i jos mnogo, mnogo drugih glupih predloga). Ne razume razliku izmedju poreskih olaksica i davanja para. 

Da ne nabrajam sad sve njene blamne izjave. Ona je za godinu dana vise odvalila nego Vucic i svi njegovi ministri zajedno u celom zivotu. Ona ja laka meta i svaka budala moze da je zajebava i vredja, a ipak postoji mnogo ljudi koji  je zapravo vole. Zato je tako popularna i zato se ona uvek nadje u centru paznje.

[didžej hel]

27 minutes ago, while(1){drink();} said:

 

 

Svi ostali vole da je zajebavaju jer je lako. Ona je budala, koja ne zna nista ni o cemu. 

 

onda opet pogledati sustinu teksta (hint to nije istrazivanje), pa porazmisliti. pogotovo kada takve kvalifikacije i slicne koje smo videli od tvojih kolega, dolaze od ljudi koji podrzavaju trumpa, coveka sa rekordnom nekompetentnoscu u bilo cemu, pocevsi od zdravog razuma, makar kada je usa precednik tema

 

nezavisno od njenog politickog opredeljenja (mene to republikanci, demokrate, komunjare, truli kapitalisti uopste ne zanima, tu ne vidim nikakvu vrednost) = super mi je sto postoji politicka individua koja je drugacija od uobicajenih paterna kako se postaje politicar, kao da je to neko aristokratsko nasledstvo pa moras biti iz bogate porodice, koja ti je priustila dobre skole i sve redom.

 

siguran sam da je za jednu ozbiljnu drzavu kao sto je usa, dobro da razvija versatility i na tu temu

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1 hour ago, uini said:

 

onda opet pogledati sustinu teksta (hint to nije istrazivanje), pa porazmisliti. pogotovo kada takve kvalifikacije i slicne koje smo videli od tvojih kolega, dolaze od ljudi koji podrzavaju trumpa, coveka sa rekordnom nekompetentnoscu u bilo cemu, pocevsi od zdravog razuma, makar kada je usa precednik tema

 

nezavisno od njenog politickog opredeljenja (mene to republikanci, demokrate, komunjare, truli kapitalisti uopste ne zanima, tu ne vidim nikakvu vrednost) = super mi je sto postoji politicka individua koja je drugacija od uobicajenih paterna kako se postaje politicar, kao da je to neko aristokratsko nasledstvo pa moras biti iz bogate porodice, koja ti je priustila dobre skole i sve redom.

 

siguran sam da je za jednu ozbiljnu drzavu kao sto je usa, dobro da razvija versatility i na tu temu

 

Ja ne znam samo ko su to "moje" kolege. Ja generalno za Trumpa mislim da je budala od coveka. Uradio je par dobrih stvari ali nikad ne bih rekao da je pametan ili sposoban. Njegova citava admiistracija je generalno cirkus.

 

I da, slazem se da je lepo videti da je neko poput nje pobedio u izborima. Ona ja svakako bila ogroman underdog, posto je njen protivnik bio veoma, veoma bitan politicar i drago mi je da tako nesto moze da se desi i u stvarnosti a ne samo u filmu.

 

Medjutim, nista od ovoga ne menja cinjenice da je ona budala. Ne zna najosnovnije cinjenice o najosnovnijim pojmovima. I sve je to u redu, ima mnogo budala i kod republikanaca i demokrata. Samo sam hteo da kazem da nema nikakvog razloga izmisljati teorije o tome kako beli konzervativni muskarci zele da ocuvaju nekakav patrijarhalni sistem ili sta vec. Postoje mnogo jednostavnija objasnjenja. Moderno je nju zajebavati, a ona je glupa, pa je lako. 

[Amigo]

7 hours ago, bohumilo said:

Samo sto se ovde ne slazem, to nisu nikakve lepe zelje nego umobolna zudnja za moci i potcinjavanjem ljudi centralnoj komitetskoj komandi (radi se, kako rece sjajni istoricar Nil Ferguson, o savremenom "zelenom skoku napred"/ Green Leap Forward), sto uvek vodi zlu, siromastvu, nasilju, bezaniji iz zemlje, radnim logorima i slicnim svetlim tradicijama te idologije. A to sto neko kaze da ima lepe zelje i namere - da li je ikada bilo koji politicar tvrdio bilo sta drugo?

 

Dobro Bohumilo, ti kao osvjedoceni ideolog slobodnog trzista ( sto u sustini i ja podrzavam) i liberalne ekonomije, kako komentarises trenutnu politiku americkog drzavnog ekonomskog nasilja prema ostatku svijeta, uglavnom kroz sankcije prema kompanijama koji ne slijede uputstva Amerike.

Kakav je to free enterprise ako prijetis sankcijama kompanijama koje rade biznis onako kako zele. Npr terorisati Evropu i prisiljavati ih da kupuju americki tecni pored ruskog gasa, koji je potpuno prirodno da sanbdijeva Evropu.

Nemam nikakve ekonomske logike u tom primjeru, niti je moguce da americki tecni gas ne bude skuplji. Nije problem da Evropa ima alernativu, ako to zeli, a ne kao posljedicu americkog pritiska.

Gdje je tu globalizacija koja je i potekla iz Amerike kroz New World Order.

Moje skromno misljenje je da AOC upravo posljedica trenutne americke politike i ako se nasatavi ovako bice sve vise i vise AOC. Ljevica je samo posljedica desnice, a ekstremna ljevica se javlja samo kao odgovor na ekstremnu desnicu.

Edited July 26, 2020 by Amigo

[tomas.hokenberi]

6 hours ago, uini said:

 

onda opet pogledati sustinu teksta (hint to nije istrazivanje), pa porazmisliti. pogotovo kada takve kvalifikacije i slicne koje smo videli od tvojih kolega, dolaze od ljudi koji podrzavaju trumpa, coveka sa rekordnom nekompetentnoscu u bilo cemu, pocevsi od zdravog razuma, makar kada je usa precednik tema

 

nezavisno od njenog politickog opredeljenja (mene to republikanci, demokrate, komunjare, truli kapitalisti uopste ne zanima, tu ne vidim nikakvu vrednost) = super mi je sto postoji politicka individua koja je drugacija od uobicajenih paterna kako se postaje politicar, kao da je to neko aristokratsko nasledstvo pa moras biti iz bogate porodice, koja ti je priustila dobre skole i sve redom.

 

siguran sam da je za jednu ozbiljnu drzavu kao sto je usa, dobro da razvija versatility i na tu temu

Biti drugačiji nije automatski prednost. U gomili pametnih budala je drugačiji. U gomili poštenih lopov je drugačiji.

 

No to nije bitno, pošto ona nije puno drugačija. Za početak ona nije dete iz sirotinjske radničke porodice, kakvu sliku o sebi želi da poturi, već iz dobrostojeće više srednje klase (otac  joj je, ako se ne varam, arhitekta). Ona voli da pominje da je rodjena u Bronksu, ali od 5 godine nije živela tamo već u Yorktown Heights, odnosno u kraju u kome ne živi sirotinja. Škola u koju je išla, mada je "public" nije sirotinjska škola iz Bronksa.  A studirala nije na nekom "community college" već na privatnom Bostonskom Univerzitetu.

Edited July 26, 2020 by tomas.hokenberi

[mrd]

AOC i Harrisova, guraju sličnu priču, a lažu čim zinu. AOC nesposobna da i posle 2+ god volontiranja u štabu/ovima političara dobije plaćeni posao, počinje da radi u prehranbenoj industriji odsek PR i skuplja potpise i glasače. Pošteno AOC!

Harrisova sirotica dete profesora, visoka srednja klasa, kukumavči da je srećom, što su je vozili autobusom u bolje škole Oaklanda stekla obrazovanje. Ja ću samo dadati, da nije bilo bussinga, ona bi završila privatnu školu. Posle svega rečenog, ona borac za ravnopravnost! Ona i sestra joj,oduzele su životnu šansu nekome kome je taj bussing život značio. Lažovčina i kako tamo neko reče formiraju novu poštenu struju s'leve strane.

Jedna reč ih karakteriše "Lopovi"!

 

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[didžej hel]

1 hour ago, tomas.hokenberi said:

Biti drugačiji nije automatski prednost. U gomili pametnih budala je drugačiji. U gomili poštenih lopov je drugačiji.

 

No to nije bitno, pošto ona nije puno drugačija. Za početak ona nije dete iz sirotinjske radničke porodice, kakvu sliku o sebi želi da poturi, već iz dobrostojeće više srednje klase (otac  joj je, ako se ne varam, arhitekta). Ona voli da pominje da je rodjena u Bronksu, ali od 5 godine nije živela tamo već u Yorktown Heights, odnosno u kraju u kome ne živi sirotinja. Škola u koju je išla, mada je "public" nije sirotinjska škola iz Bronksa.  A studirala nije na nekom "community college" već na privatnom Bostonskom Univerzitetu.

 

tai rad. ona je prakticno istog backgrounda kao i vecinska scena.

[mrd]

16 minutes ago, uini said:

 
tai rad. ona je prakticno istog backgrounda kao i vecinska scena.

Nije, plus ona debelo laže. Možeš da nađeš, ako sumnjaš u ovo ovde napsano. Google je Bog!

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Edited July 26, 2020 by mrd

[didžej hel]

glupa i laže. 

 

:vraća se natrag na tekst:

[Amigo]

Ko ne laze

[Angelia]

56 minutes ago, Amigo said:

Ko ne laze

Od politicara? Svi lazu. Medjutim postoji razlika kad ti familija izadje u medije u toku tvog izbora i kaze auuuu bre al ga pretera u laganju.

Sto se desilo za obe ove, Harrison bese otac, a AOC brat. Ljudi jednostavno nisu mogli da trpe sramotu.

Posto ces verovatno da uporedis sa Trampovom necakom - nije to isto kad neko iz familije napise knjigu da zaradi pare na konekciji, i kada nema nikakve koristi od toga.

[boxcube]

Rasisticko djubre naravno nije banovano sa svih platformi kao sto big tech i mas mediji propovedaju za ljude koji "nisu ugrozeni".

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/w5H2PpTxYdpw/

[mrd]

Ko ne laze:smiley33:

Pošteni ljudi!

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[Angelia]

1 hour ago, boxcube said:

Rasisticko djubre naravno nije banovano sa svih platformi kao sto big tech i mas mediji propovedaju za ljude koji "nisu ugrozeni".

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/w5H2PpTxYdpw/

Zar nije dobio otkaz? Mislim ne bas iz prvog puta, ali na kraju je dobio otkaz, nevoljno, i mnogi su tvrdili da nema veze sta je pricao - jer je oppressed (ako si manjina, mozes da lupetas daleko vise) 

[Angelia]

8 hours ago, uini said:

 

tai rad. ona je prakticno istog backgrounda kao i vecinska scena.

U zadnje vreme, napravio si jedan komentar koji je mogao da ponudi neko dublje misljenje, nasuprot uobicajenog one-liner komentara koji ne znaci nista, napisao si da si napravio logicne zakljucke na osnovu Trampove istorije iz 80tih i na osnovu nekih "bazicnih nazora" republikanaca. Kad sam ti postavila pitanje na osnovu kojih bazicnih nazora republikanaca formiras svoje misljenje, otisao si u ilegalu....

 

Da li bi mogao da odgovoris na to pitanje, a da nije one liner? Koje misljenje imas o republikancima, i na cemu se bazira.

 

Posto je meni delovalo kao misljenje na osnovu BS, da u stvari nemas pojma sta republikanska partija zastupa. Nego to zasnivas na BS medija.

[mrd]

Eto recimo, dems hoće da daju $600 mesečno onima koji se kvalifikuju po prošlogodišnoj tax. Reps kažu da svi treba da dobijue70% od prošlogodišnje tax-pay.
Zašto bi neko ko je na minimalcu uopšte tražio posao.
Samo još polutke da počnu da nam isporučuju.
Lopuže na visokom nivou.

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[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

Od zida sa Meksikom, presao na zid oko bele kuce 😂

 

Valjda ce bar neki da zavrsi dok jos moze... svakako bolje nego oko Kolorada 

 

Donald Trump finally builds a wall - around the White House! Presidential mansion gets 13-foot 'anti-climb' fence around its perimeter

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7301155/White-House-getting-13-foot-tall-fence-anti-climb-technology.html

[Klotzen]

Priprema se za nepriznavanje rezultata izbora. Hoće li biti i vodena prepreka ispred zida :) ?

[didžej hel]

 

 

Do Americans Get That Trump is Instituting Martial Law?

Trump Wants to Use Martial Law to Terrorize Americans — and Steal the Next Election

 

 

 

 

 

Yesterday, the Mayor of Portland was gassed by the secret police of storm troopers that Donald Trump has sent to occupy the city.

Wait. What? Let’s read that sentence again.

Yesterday, the Mayor of Portland was gassed by the secret police of storm troopers that Donald Trump has sent to occupy the city.

If I wrote that sentence five years ago, you would have laughed at me. It would have seemed impossible. Inconceivable. Outlandish. And yet here we are.

Shortly before that, Trump announced that he was sending his new secret police’s shock troops…men in camouflage body armor, carrying machine guns, abducting people off the streets, and now gassing mayors…nationwide.

If I wrote that sentence five years ago, you never would have read another word I wrote. And yet here we are.

Where is this, though, this strange new territory America finds itself in? What’s really happening here?

Something that those of us who’ve lived through — and survived — authoritarian-fascist collapses know all too well. We’ve seen it before, maybe, like me, several times over. We know how it begins, and how it ends — usually — too. None of that’s to be a know-it-all blowhard. It’s to warn, as seriously as I can. You probably have an inkling of what I’m about to say, but your rational side denies it. Your gut is right, and your brain — which has never lived through this kind of collapse before — is wrong.

Trump is instituting martial law. Yes, really. That is what sending a secret police of shock troops across America is. No, not suddenly, all at once, in a kind of sweeping and obvious way. But rather, in the time-honored way that authoritarian-fascists do. One step at a time. A process. A creeping martial law. One which is all too easy to normalize and accept, because it proceeds in slow steps. Martial law isn’t declared like in the movies, usually. More often, it happens like this.

Step by step. Town by town. City by city. This shock troop added to that one. Their powers expanded, to take away your freedoms, one by one. An occupying force whose power is always growing, and never really goes away. And before anyone really knows it — they’re living in a police state, an authoritarian society. Nobody can really remember how it ended up this way. It seems to have happened in a kind of slow-motion suicide of a democracy.

It happens that way because every good authoritarian knows that’s how you normalize it, how you minimize resistance, how you create that strange mix of apathy, bewilderment, and fear all at once, by getting people to ignore what their gut is shouting at them. A mind always says: “Come on! It’s not that bad. Those troops aren’t on my streets yet, and even if they are, they’re still pretty friendly, aren’t they? Stop imagining the worst! Everything will be fine!” The unthinkable isn’t thought fast enough, widely enough. And so one small step at a time, martial law spreads like a black veil across a society, replacing civil society, democracy, decency, and a modern society.

It’s hidden in plain sight. Predictably, funnily, sadly — nobody much is seeing it, because the demagogue’s magic is blinding. Trump is instituting martial law now.

So let me put it another way — which is more accurate still.

Just before a crucial election — one which will decide if democracy lives or dies — a President who would be dictator, like America’s Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein, feels he’s on the ropes. So he’s beginning to institute martial law: the rule of an occupying paramilitary force over and above civil law and everyday democratic norms.

If you doubt that — as your rational side still might — let’s think about it for a moment.

What is “martial law”? Here’s a definition which will do just fine: “Martial law is the imposition of direct military control of normal civil functions or suspension of civil law by a government, especially in response to a temporary emergency where civil forces are overwhelmed, or in an occupied territory.”

Let’s take that step by step. The imposition of direct military control. The “federal agents” that Trump is sending to occupy America’s cities and towns aren’t part of the Army or Navy or Air Force — but they are a part of the ominously named “Homeland Security.”

If you doubt they’re a “military”, what else do you call men wearing camouflage body armour, festooned with heavy weaponry, carrying machine guns? If that’s not a military — or in this case, a paramilitary — surely the word holds no meaning whatsoever.

What are they there for? “The suspension of civil law.” Trump’s shock troops are shredding the Constitution. Not in some abstract, theoretical, Ivy-League-Debate-Club kind of way — but with violence and brutality on the ground. They wear no badges, are unaccountable to anyone, have the power to abduct people off the streets for no rhyme or reason, and take them to God only knows where. The right to free speech? Assembly? Association? Privacy? Peaceful protest? To just walk down a street with your friends, carrying a banner? Bang — gone. They gassed the Mayor of a major American city.

Civil law doesn’t matter to Trump’s army of shock troops. If it did, they wouldn’t be gassing mayors, who are elected public officials. What does matter to Trump and his shock troops? Why are they there?

Because there’s a “temporary emergency.” Which one? Could it be the lethal pandemic — which Trump’s stunning negligence allowed to explode, and become the worst outbreak in the world? How about the 18th straight week of more than a million people filing for unemployment? Or the death rate of that pandemic beginning to skyrocket back up? Maybe the millions of Americans who now find themselves falling into disease, poverty, and despair? Those emergencies?

Nope, the emergency that Trump calls “law and order.” Only there is no breakdown of law and order in America — at least not at the level of people peacefully protesting in the streets for the causes of equality and justice. The breakdown of law and order in America is a demagogue President who’s instituting martial law.

What those of us who’ve survived authoritarianism and studied it know — and need to share with you — is this. If you want to kill a democracy dead, first you chop off its limbs. Then you slowly, slowly suffocate it. You deprive it of the air it breathes.

First you chop off the limbs — you appoint “acting directors” who are your cronies in the extremist projects of ethnic supremacy and racial cleansing to head most of the major offices of government. You purge government of every last decent civil servant you can, so nobody much is left to stand in the way. You stack the courts with unqualified extremists, too, so that you’re protected from legal challenges. Check, check, check.

At this point, the stage is set. For what? For you, the authoritarian, to begin suffocating a democracy to death. That means: one by one, taking away people’s basic rights. You don’t send a hundred thousand shock troops to every small town. You just send a few hundred to the cities — especially where people resist your brutality and violence and supremacism.

You use those shock troops to make an example. This mayor resisted me. He got gassed. These people thought they could resist me. They got beaten. These people thought they could express their voices in opposition to me. They got abducted. This group of mothers thought they could link arms and oppose me. They got disappeared. You make an example, as loudly and publicly and visibly — and violently — as possible.

This is what happens when you cross me. You pay the price. The price is a heavy one. It’s not one that anyone in a decent society is used to paying — beatings, abductions, disappearances, gas attacks, and so forth. This is the price you pay for crossing me.

A society descends into an atmosphere of fear and panic, usually. People do what they tend to do when they’re threatened by overwhelming force: they get frightened. The intimidation and brutality serve their purpose. The point of a secret police is now made real — to keep people in check with the authoritarian’s wishes, to stifle dissent, to silence and frighten.

You suffocate a democracy by denying it of the air it breathes. The sweet and pure air of freedom. Where people express can themselves, especially if they’re critics and opponents and dissidents. Instead, the poisonous miasma of terror becomes a grim daily reality.

“Are you going to that protest?,” says one friend. “Of course!,” replies the other. Neither shows up — because who will look after their families if they’re abducted, disappeared, gassed, wounded?

A society has been terrorized into submission. The authoritarian is now free to obtain what they’ve always really wanted. Power. The next election? People stay home. Not enough votes are cast. That atmosphere of fear has never gone away. The authoritarian wins it. And that’s it — game over. The last election that country is to have — at least for a generation.

Those of who’s studied and lived through authoritarianism have seen this before — and it’s our basic duty as decent and sane human beings to warn you. But it’s your duty to heed the warning, this time. Not to ignore it, like the last four years. That’s how we got here, to a place where a lunatic demagogue is destroying America before the eyes of a baffled, shocked, horrified world.

Heed the warning this time, because this is the last time. The last chance.

Trump is declaring martial law. The way authoritarians do. Stepwise. One small step at a time. Just like you’d choke the life out of someone you really hated if you were a sociopath — slowly, to make sure, to watch the light go out of their eyes, and revel in it.

How do authoritarians win? By making the abnormal seem normal, by transgressing so often and so frequently, it all comes to seem plain, by making each transgression worse than the last, so yesterday’s seems like old, small news. But it isn’t. All those transgressions — camps, bans, raids, purges — are a pattern. Leading up to this.

The imposition of a creeping kind martial law, just before a crucial election. One city at a time. A group of shock troops added to the last, one at a time. One set of new powers for them to abuse people with at a time. Until anyone barely remembers a time when people weren’t being disappeared off the streets, beaten, gassed, thrown into the camps.

It’s not me telling you. It’s history. It’s the ghosts of Orwell, Camus, Arendt, Frankl, Malala, all the people in all the nations who’ve been through this before, and know. How it ends. They are the ones trying to tell you, in a desperate whisper, that barely pierces the veil of time.

Heed the warning.

This is your last chance.

Umair
July 2020

[Klotzen]

Tramp je imao pravo da donese odluku da pošalje te jedinice ali samo da obezbeđuju federalne zgrade. A u Portlandu su registrovana prebijanja demonstranata od strane tih trupa daleko od zgrade suda, koju su oficijelno branili ako se dobro sećam. Klasično kršenje ustava da bi se ostvarila lična korist za Trampa.

[deez nuts.]

1 hour ago, Klotzen said:

Tramp je imao pravo da donese odluku da pošalje te jedinice ali samo da obezbeđuju federalne zgrade. A u Portlandu su registrovana prebijanja demonstranata od strane tih trupa daleko od zgrade suda, koju su oficijelno branili ako se dobro sećam. Klasično kršenje ustava da bi se ostvarila lična korist za Trampa.

 

To su neka vrsta americkih Arkanovih tigrova koji neobelezeni terorisu narod. Gospodin Gradonacelnik Filadelfije je rekao da ce te majmune hapsiti ako se pojave tamo.

[bohumilo]

17 hours ago, Amigo said:

 

Dobro Bohumilo, ti kao osvjedoceni ideolog slobodnog trzista ( sto u sustini i ja podrzavam) i liberalne ekonomije, kako komentarises trenutnu politiku americkog drzavnog ekonomskog nasilja prema ostatku svijeta, uglavnom kroz sankcije prema kompanijama koji ne slijede uputstva Amerike.

Kakav je to free enterprise ako prijetis sankcijama kompanijama koje rade biznis onako kako zele. Npr terorisati Evropu i prisiljavati ih da kupuju americki tecni pored ruskog gasa, koji je potpuno prirodno da sanbdijeva Evropu.

Ovo nije pitanje slobodne trgovine (koje bi se ticalo npr. visine tarifa i slicno) vec pre spoljne politike (tu Amerika cak nije ni zemlja trguje vec su to druge zemlje, npr Nemacka i Rusija) i potpuno je nezavisno od toga na kakav nacin (slobodan ili manje slobodan) se ta trgovina odvvija. Ali, kao sto uvek podrzavam slobodnu trgovinu (i slobodno trziste - to je ne samo put prosperiteta nego i put mira) tako podrzavam i politicku autonomiju, tako da mislim da Evropu treba pustiti da sama odabere svoju politiku jer ce oni snositi i posledice.

 

17 hours ago, Amigo said:

Moje skromno misljenje je da AOC upravo posljedica trenutne americke politike i ako se nasatavi ovako bice sve vise i vise AOC. Ljevica je samo posljedica desnice, a ekstremna ljevica se javlja samo kao odgovor na ekstremnu desnicu.

Tu se ne slazem, nije ona nikakva posledica desnice niti je nova pojava - to je onaj isti, stari, bljutavi antikapitalizam, ista borba protiv slobodnog ljudskog organizovanja nezavisnog od vlasti i moci, protiv saradnje, podele rada, ista borba proitv dobrovoljnih interakcija izmedju obicnih (politicki neuticajnih) slobodnih gradjana koja vodi njihovom prosperitetu, miru i nezavisnosti. Ta ta borba zapravo vuce korenje jos iz reakcije feudalne vlastele protiv ekonomskog sistema u cijem se centru nalazi obican covek (za njega se proizvodi, njemu se reklamira, njegov glas je vazan na trzistu) - kad god vidim ovo jarcanje najnizih ljudskih strasti protiv milionera (dok Berni nije postao milioner, od tada se oni vise ne pominju) i bilionera koji proizvode stvari za obicnog coveka, koji njemu poboljsavaju zivot (umesto da se proizvodi samo za vlastelu, kako Bog zapoveda) ja se setim feudalne borbe protiv slobodnih gradova i ljudi koji rade i trguju/saradjuju u njima, gotovo istim demagoskim argumentima...

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Klotzen said:

Tramp je imao pravo da donese odluku da pošalje te jedinice ali samo da obezbeđuju federalne zgrade. A u Portlandu su registrovana prebijanja demonstranata od strane tih trupa daleko od zgrade suda, koju su oficijelno branili ako se dobro sećam. Klasično kršenje ustava da bi se ostvarila lična korist za Trampa.

Sudske vlasti nisu bile dirnute laznim vestima:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/24/us/portland-federal-jurisdiction-court-judge.html

PORTLAND, Ore. — A federal judge in Portland on Friday rejected Oregon’s legal bid to restrict the operations of federal agents who have been battling protesters nightly in the city.

 

Izgleda da se fasisticki puc, divljanje i nasilje prema americkim gradjanima i gradovima (tamo gde su im demokraturci to omogucili) polako privodi kraju...

Edited July 27, 2020 by bohumilo

[Plavi Golub]

BS mediji da ili ne?
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-hawley-lays-down-new-antiabortion-marker-for-supreme-court-nominees/2020/07/26/52ed360a-cf73-11ea-8d32-1ebf4e9d8e0d_story.html?hpid=hp_politics1-8-12_hawleycourt-420pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

 

 

 

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Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said Sunday that he would not support any nominee for the Supreme Court unless they had publicly stated before their nomination that Roe v. Wade, the 1973 ruling that established federal protection for abortion, was “wrongly decided.”

 

 

 

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I will vote only for those Supreme Court nominees who have explicitly acknowledged that Roe v. Wade is wrongly decided,” Hawley said in an interview with The Washington Post. “By explicitly acknowledged, I mean on the record and before they were nominated.”

 

 

»Hawley added: “I don’t want private assurances from candidates. I don’t want to hear about their personal views, one way or another. I’m not looking for forecasts about how they may vote in the future or predications. I don’t want any of that. I want to see on the record, as part of their record, that they have acknowledged in some forum that Roe v. Wade, as a legal matter, is wrongly decided.”

 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2020 by Plavi Golub
Velicina fonta u postu

[Plavi Golub]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/22/liz-cheney-defends-pro-trump-bona-fides-377783
 

Ni Liz Cheney vise nije dovoljno radikalna. Nista 97%, samo 100%. Kao u CK partije onim prokuzenim sredinama.

Edited July 27, 2020 by Plavi Golub