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[Angelia]

6 hours ago, djura.net said:

Imas desetine razloga pobrojanih samo na ovom forumu. Samo mi se cini da si previse licno involvirana da bi te razloge zelela da prihvatis, sorry. To je kao kad bi me Suki Vasiljevic pitala zasto bi Vucic trebao da bude razresen duznosti predsednika, a ja joj odgovorim - zato sto laze I krade - a ona samo zakoluta ocima, jer to sto neko laze i krade nisu nikakvi argumenti u njenom svetu.

Navedi mi koji ti mislis da je realan. Pusti me Vucica

50 minutes ago, DJORDJE said:

@Angelia

 

"serve to the pleasure of president" je izreka, ne zakon ili nesto sto se spominje u bilo kojem zakonu. Koristi se za drzavne sluzbenike koje predsednik postavlja i ima pravo da smenjuje po licnoj proceni.

😀 ne nije nego je direktno u opisu pozicije, usvojen od Kongresa, i samim tim postao zakon. Pogledaj link gore code 7033 (a) (1). Nije izreka nego je deo zakona

[Dzoni_m]

1 hour ago, Angelia said:

Evo kao primer:

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title10-section7033&num=0&edition=prelim

 

Citat "He serves at the pleasure of the President". Znaci Hegseth je odgovorio da svi generali koje je otpustio, imaju istu definiciju. 

Jel smo razresili dilemu?

 

Link ne radi. 

[Angelia]

6 minutes ago, Dzoni_m said:

 

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10 USC 7033: Chief of Staff

Text contains those laws in effect on June 16, 2025

From Title 10-ARMED FORCES

Subtitle B-Army

PART I-ORGANIZATION

CHAPTER 705-THE ARMY STAFF

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§7033. Chief of Staff

(a)(1) There is a Chief of Staff of the Army, appointed for a period of four years by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, from the general officers of the Army. He serves at the pleasure of the President. In time of war or during a national emergency declared by Congress, he may be reappointed for a term of not more than four years.

 

(2) The President may appoint an officer as Chief of Staff only if-

 

(A) the officer has had significant experience in joint duty assignments; and

 

(B) such experience includes at least one full tour of duty in a joint duty assignment (as defined in section 664(f) 1 of this title) as a general officer.

 

 

(3) The President may waive paragraph (2) in the case of an officer if the President determines such action is necessary in the national interest.

 

(b) The Chief of Staff, while so serving, has the grade of general without vacating his permanent grade.

 

(c) Except as otherwise prescribed by law and subject to section 7013(f) of this title, the Chief of Staff performs his duties under the authority, direction, and control of the Secretary of the Army and is directly responsible to the Secretary.

 

(d) Subject to the authority, direction, and control of the Secretary of the Army, the Chief of Staff shall-

 

(1) preside over the Army Staff;

 

(2) transmit the plans and recommendations of the Army Staff to the Secretary and advise the Secretary with regard to such plans and recommendations;

 

(3) after approval of the plans or recommendations of the Army Staff by the Secretary, act as the agent of the Secretary in carrying them into effect;

 

(4) exercise supervision, consistent with the authority assigned to commanders of unified or specified combatant commands under chapter 6 of this title, over such of the members and organizations of the Army as the Secretary determines;

 

(5) perform the duties prescribed for him by sections 171 and 3104 of this title and other provisions of law; and

 

(6) perform such other military duties, not otherwise assigned by law, as are assigned to him by the President, the Secretary of Defense, or the Secretary of the Army.

 

 

(e)(1) The Chief of Staff shall also perform the duties prescribed for him as a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under section 151 of this title.

 

(2) To the extent that such action does not impair the independence of the Chief of Staff in the performance of his duties as a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Chief of Staff shall inform the Secretary regarding military advice rendered by members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on matters affecting the Department of the Army.

 

(3) Subject to the authority, direction, and control of the Secretary of Defense, the Chief of Staff shall keep the Secretary of the Army fully informed of significant military operations affecting the duties and responsibilities of the Secretary.

 

(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 162 , §3034; Pub. L. 85–599, §4(a), Aug. 6, 1958, 72 Stat. 516 ; Pub. L. 87–651, title I, §114, Sept. 7, 1962, 76 Stat. 513 ; Pub. L. 90–22, title IV, §401, June 5, 1967, 81 Stat. 53 ; Pub. L. 96–513, title V, §502(2), Dec. 12, 1980, 94 Stat. 2909 ; Pub. L. 97–22, §10(b)(4), July 10, 1981, 95 Stat. 137 ; renumbered §3033 and amended Pub. L. 99–433, title V, §502(c), Oct. 1, 1986, 100 Stat. 1040 ; Pub. L. 100–456, div. A, title V, §519(a)(3), Sept. 29, 1988, 102 Stat. 1972 ; Pub. L. 114–92, div. A, title VIII, §802(d)(4)(A), Nov. 25, 2015, 129 Stat. 880 ; renumbered §7033 and amended Pub. L. 115–232, div. A, title VIII, §§808(a), 809(a), Aug. 13, 2018, 132 Stat. 1838 , 1840; Pub. L. 116–283, div. A, title XVIII, §1808(d)(3), as added Pub. L. 117–81, div. A, title XVII, §1701(r)(2), Dec. 27, 2021, 135 Stat. 2149 ; Pub. L. 116–283, div. A, title XVIII, §1847(e)(6)(B), Jan. 1, 2021, 134 Stat. 4257 ; Pub. L. 117–81, div. A, title XVII, §1701(r)(1)(B), Dec. 27, 2021, 135 Stat. 2149 .)

 

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3034(a)

3034(b)

 

10:21b (1st sentence).

10:21b (less 1st sentence).

 

June 28, 1950, ch. 383, §§202, 204, 64 Stat. 266 .

3034(c)

 

 

3034(d)

 

10:21d(a) (1st 9 words).

10:21d(b) (2d sentence).

 

10:21d(c).

 

10:21d(a) (less 1st 9 words).

 

10:21d(b) (less 2d sentence).

 

10:38 (last par.).

 

June 3, 1916, ch. 134, §5 (last par.), added June 15, 1933, ch. 87, §2 (last par.), 48 Stat. 154 .

In subsection (a), the words "not for" are substituted for the words "no person shall serve as Chief of Staff for a term of".

 

In subsection (b), the words "so serving" are substituted for the words "holding office as such". The words "regular or reserve" are substituted for the word "permanent", since there are no other "permanent" grades. The words "in the Army" are omitted as surplusage. The words "and shall take rank as prescribed by law" are omitted as covered by section 743 of this title. The words "He shall receive the compensation prescribed by law" are omitted as covered by the Career Compensation Act of 1949, 63 Stat. 802 (37 U.S.C. 231 et seq.).

 

In subsection (c), the provisions of 10:21d relating to the direction of the Secretary of the Army over the Chief of Staff are combined. The words "and of subsection (c) of this section" and "state of" are omitted as surplusage.

 

In subsection (d), 10:38 (last par.) is omitted as covered by 10:21d(a). The words "by sections 1a–1g, 19, 21a–21h, 61–1, 81–1, 231a and 316–1 of this title and section 181–3 to 181–5 of Title 5" are omitted as covered by the words "other provisions of law".

 

1962 Act

The changes correct references to section 202(j) of the National Security Act of 1947, which is now set out as section 124 of title 10.

 

 

Editorial Notes

References in Text

Section 664(f) of this title, referred to in subsec. (a)(2)(B), was redesignated as section 664(d) of this title by Pub. L. 114–328, div. A, title V, §510(g)(1), Dec. 23, 2016, 130 Stat. 2111 .

 

Amendments

2021-Subsec. (d)(5). Pub. L. 116–283, §1847(e)(6)(B), which directed substitution of ", 3103, and 4274" for "and 2547", was repealed by Pub. L. 117–81, §1701(r)(1)(B).

 

Pub. L. 116–283, §1808(d)(3), as added by Pub. L. 117–81, §1701(r)(2), substituted "and 3104" for "and 2547".

 

2018-Pub. L. 115–232, §808(a), renumbered section 3033 of this title as this section.

 

Subsec. (c). Pub. L. 115–232, §809(a), substituted "section 7013(f)" for "section 3013(f)".

 

2015-Subsec. (d)(5). Pub. L. 114–92 substituted "sections 171 and 2547" for "section 171".

 

1988-Subsec. (a)(2)(B). Pub. L. 100–456 substituted "full tour of duty in a joint duty assignment (as defined in section 664(f) of this title)" for "joint duty assignment".

 

1986-Pub. L. 99–433 renumbered section 3034 of this title as this section, substituted "Chief of Staff" for "Chief of Staff: appointment; duties" in section catchline, and amended text generally. Prior to amendment, text read as follows:

 

"(a) The Chief of Staff shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, for a period of four years, from the general officers of the Army. He serves during the pleasure of the President. In time of war or national emergency, declared by the Congress after December 31, 1968, he may be reappointed for a term of not more than four years.

 

"(b) The Chief of Staff, while so serving, has the grade of general without vacating his regular or reserve grade.

 

"(c) Except as otherwise prescribed by law and subject to section 3012(c) and (d) of this title, the Chief of Staff performs his duties under the direction of the Secretary of the Army, and is directly responsible to the Secretary for the efficiency of the Army, its preparedness for military operations, and plans therefor.

 

"(d) The Chief of Staff shall-

 

"(1) preside over the Army Staff;

 

"(2) send the plans and recommendations of the Army Staff to the Secretary, and advise him with regard thereto;

 

"(3) after approval of the plans or recommendations of the Army Staff by the Secretary, act as the agent of the Secretary in carrying them into effect;

 

"(4) exercise supervision over such of the members and organizations of the Army as the Secretary of the Army determines. Such supervision shall be exercised in a manner consistent with the full operational command vested in unified or specified combatant commanders under section 124 of this title;

 

"(5) perform the duties described for him by sections 141 and 171 of this title and other provisions of law; and

 

"(6) perform such other military duties, not otherwise assigned by law, as are assigned to him by the President."

 

1981-Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 97–22 struck out a comma after "regular or reserve grade".

 

1980-Subsec. (b). Pub. L. 96–513 struck out provision under which the Chief of Staff is counted as one of the officers authorized to serve in a grade above lieutenant general under section 3066 of this title.

 

1967-Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 90–22 changed requirement that Chief of Staff be reappointed only with advice and consent of Senate by providing for his reappointment for a term of not more than four years by President without such advice and consent in a time of war or national emergency as declared by Congress.

 

1962-Subsec. (d)(4). Pub. L. 87–651 substituted "under section 124 of this title" for "pursuant to section 202(j) of the National Security Act of 1947, as amended".

 

1958-Subsec. (d)(4). Pub. L. 85–599 required Chief of Staff to exercise supervision only as Secretary of the Army determines and in a manner consistent with full operational command vested in unified or specified combatant commanders.

 

 

Statutory Notes and Related Subsidiaries

Effective Date of 2021 Amendment

Amendment by Pub. L. 117–81 applicable as if included in the enactment of title XVIII of Pub. L. 116–283 as enacted, see section 1701(a)(2) of Pub. L. 117–81, set out in a note preceding section 3001 of this title and note below.

 

Amendment by Pub. L. 116–283 effective Jan. 1, 2022, with additional provisions for delayed implementation and applicability of existing law, see section 1801(d) of Pub. L. 116–283, set out as a note preceding section 3001 of this title.

 

Effective Date of 2018 Amendment

Amendment by Pub. L. 115–232 effective Feb. 1, 2019, with provision for the coordination of amendments and special rule for certain redesignations, see section 800 of Pub. L. 115–232, set out as a note preceding section 3001 of this title.

 

Effective Date of 1981 Amendment

Pub. L. 97–22, §10(b), July 10, 1981, 95 Stat. 137 , provided that the amendment made by section 10(b)(4) is effective Sept. 15, 1981.

 

Effective Date of 1980 Amendment

Amendment by Pub. L. 96–513 effective Sept. 15, 1981, see section 701 of Pub. L. 96–513, set out as a note under section 101 of this title.

 

Effective Date of 1967 Amendment

Pub. L. 90–22, title IV, §405, June 5, 1967, 81 Stat. 53 , provided that: "The amendments made by this title [amending sections 3034, 5081, 5201, and 8034 of this title] shall take effect as of January 1, 1969."

 

1 See References in Text note below.

 

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

13 minutes ago, Dzoni_m said:

 

Link ne radi. 

 

Kaze:

 

There is a Chief of Staff of the Army, appointed for a period of four years by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, from the general officers of the Army. He serves at the pleasure of the President. In time of war or during a national emergency declared by Congress, he may be reappointed for a term of not more than four years.

 

Bolje da nije nasla, jer osim izreke kaze jos svasta nesto, recimo: appointed for a period of four years by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate

 

U pitanju je osmoro otpustenih... ali sada ce ona to da ispinuje, bez brige. 

 

Tramp pokusava da se obezbedi jer je prosli put imao problema sa Mark Milijem (kojeg je on postavio) za kog je posle rekao da zasluzuje egzakuciju, samo zato sto nije hteo da radi Trampove gluposti. 

[Angelia]

15 minutes ago, Dzoni_m said:

 

Link ne radi. 

Za toliko vremena koliko pisem na forumu (izvini sto koristim tvoj post kao slagvort) niste naucili da kad ja kazem da je nesto u zakonu, to je zato sto sam proverila zakon.

Mozda je nesto pitanje pravne interpretacije, ali uglavnom je uvek jasno.

Znaci Hegseth je koristio citat iz zakona, nema levo, nema desno, nista izmisljeno, nije njegovo vidjenje, nista maglovito... na pitanje zasto si otpustio generale sa te pozicije on kaze zato sto je njihova pozicija da "serve at the pleasure of the President". Nije sexualni komentar nego pravni. Znaci, predsednik ima pravo da ih smeni bez obrazlozenja.

 

Baby I Ters nisu razumeli, pa su probali da naprave neku drugu pricu. Ispalo Hegseth pametniji ili bolje informisan od njih

[Angelia]

 

10 minutes ago, 𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂 said:

Bolje da nije nasla, jer osim izreke kaze jos svasta nesto, recimo: appointed for a period of four years by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate

I? Mislim sta je poenta, Senat treba da odobri kandidata, ne znaci da treba da odobri smenjivanje.

 

[djura.net]

Posle posle 'uspesnog' The Dealmakera, Mr False Claims strikes again 

 

CNN

 

While visiting Canada on Monday for a Group of 7 summit, President Donald Trump repeated one of his many false claims about Canada – again wrongly blaming former Liberal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau for getting Russia booted out of the group formerly known as the Group of 8.

 

Speaking of Russian President Vladimir Putin, Trump claimed Monday: “He was thrown out – by Trudeau, who convinced one or two people, along with Obama. He was thrown out. And he’s not a happy person about it, I can tell you that.”

 

In fact, Trudeau did not become Canada’s prime minister until November 2015 – more than 19 months after Russia’s 2014 ouster from the Group of 8, a forum made up of countries with large industrialized economies. It was Trudeau’s Conservative predecessor as prime minister, Stephen Harper, who led the effort to kick Russia out in the wake of Russia’s 2014 annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea region. Trudeau’s Liberals were not even the biggest opposition party in Canada’s House of Commons at the time.

 

Trump made other false claims in his Monday remarks at the G7. Speaking to reporters alongside UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer, Trump erroneously described his trade deal with the UK as a deal with the European Union, which the UK does not belong to.

 

Trump then twice repeated his long-debunked assertion that former President Joe Biden had given “$350 billion” in aid to Ukraine.

 

The figure is not close to correct.

 

According to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a German think tank that closely tracks international aid to Ukraine, the US had committed about $138 billion in military, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine from late January 2022, just prior to Russia’s full-scale invasion, through April 2025. (That period includes more than three months of Trump’s current presidency.)

[Angelia]

31 minutes ago, 𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂 said:

 

Kaze:

 

There is a Chief of Staff of the Army, appointed for a period of four years by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, from the general officers of the Army. He serves at the pleasure of the President. In time of war or during a national emergency declared by Congress, he may be reappointed for a term of not more than four years.

 

Bolje da nije nasla, jer osim izreke kaze jos svasta nesto, recimo: appointed for a period of four years by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate

 

U pitanju je osmoro otpustenih... ali sada ce ona to da ispinuje, bez brige. 

 

Tramp pokusava da se obezbedi jer je prosli put imao problema sa Mark Milijem (kojeg je on postavio) za kog je posle rekao da zasluzuje egzakuciju, samo zato sto nije hteo da radi Trampove gluposti. 

znaci da zakljucimo rekla si da nigde to ne pise, a ono pise, sad kazes ali ne znaci to sto pise, iako nisam sigurna ali mislim da je sud potvrdio da bas to pise.....

Jos uvek kazes "izreka" a ono zakon  znaci nije Hegseth budala....

[Rex]

2 hours ago, Angelia said:

Evo kao primer:

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title10-section7033&num=0&edition=prelim

 

Citat "He serves at the pleasure of the President". Znaci Hegseth je odgovorio da svi generali koje je otpustio, imaju istu definiciju. 

Jel smo razresili dilemu?

 

Neće da mi otvori link, nešto se pobrljavilo. Možeš da probaš opet ili da mi kažeš ime zakona, pa ću ja. Ne znam da li je do mene, ali je "The connection has timed out" svaki put kad probam da otvorim link.

[ters]

19 minutes ago, Angelia said:

znaci da zakljucimo rekla si da nigde to ne pise, a ono pise, sad kazes ali ne znaci to sto pise, iako nisam sigurna ali mislim da je sud potvrdio da bas to pise.....

Jos uvek kazes "izreka" a ono zakon  znaci nije Hegseth budala....

 

Ja sam rekao da ne pise u zakonu o vojsci, jer nisam mogao vjerovati da je Sjedinjenija i prije kreleta bila banana drzava u kojoj bi ovakva formulacija bila kodifikovana u zakonu, ali eto sada mi je jasnije da je okvir za tekuce dogadjaje postavljen mnogo ranije nego sto sam mislio...

 

Za mene je porazno to sto postoji iko ko smatra normalnim to da bilo ko u vladi, a pogotovo u vojsci sluzi "at the pleasure of the president", odnosno kako mu puhne...

 

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by ters

[Dzoni_m]

15 minutes ago, Rex said:

Neće da mi otvori link,

Nece ni meni, imaju geoIP lock. Samo US IP moze da pristupi. Mi van ne mozemo 

[ters]

9 minutes ago, Dzoni_m said:

Nece ni meni, imaju geoIP lock. Samo US IP moze da pristupi. Mi van ne mozemo 

 

Izgleda da ipak kod nekoga u Sjedinjeniji postoji malo stida pa pokusava sakriti postojanje ovih kmetovskih  zakona od ostatka svijeta... 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by ters

[Angelia]

46 minutes ago, Rex said:

 

Neće da mi otvori link, nešto se pobrljavilo. Možeš da probaš opet ili da mi kažeš ime zakona, pa ću ja. Ne znam da li je do mene, ali je "The connection has timed out" svaki put kad probam da otvorim link.

kopirala sam ceo zakon gore 7033  u spoileru. Ako pogledas kroz code barem od '86te govori isto, ako ne i od pre 100 godina. Ako se dobro secam Ajzenhauer je tako smenio nekog generala na osnovu istog zakona.

53 minutes ago, ters said:

 

Ja sam rekao da ne pise u zakonu o vojsci, jer nisam mogao vjerovati da je Sjedinjenija i prije kreleta bila banana drzava u kojoj bi ovakva formulacija bila kodifikovana u zakonu, ali eto sada mi je jasnije da je okvir za tekuce dogadjaje postavljen mnogo ranije nego sto sam mislio...

 

Za mene je porazno to sto postoji iko ko smatra normalnim to da bilo ko u vladi, a pogotovo u vojsci sluzi "at the pleasure of the president", odnosno kako mu puhne...

 

 

 

a ono bas pise u zakonu o vojsci. i svi u vojsci znaju za to..... Znaci Kongres je smatrao da je to potpuno razumno jer je predsednik Commander in Chief, i ima pravo da otpusta svoje zaposlene - a tebi je to nekako banana drzava????

 

Sta je vama ljudi? Zamisljate USA na neki nacin, pa se onda iscudjavate sto ne funkcionise kako ste vi zamislili. Zasto bi uopste bilo zabranjeno predsedniku da otpusti svoje ljude? 3 grane vlasti, alo......

[Angelia]

Kongres je tokom decenija, donosio zakone koji prosiruju jurisdikciju Predsednika, jer ih je mrzelo da rade, iskreno. Ja pricam jos od kako je Tramp prvi put dobio izbore, da on samo koristi ono sto vec po zakonu moze. U ovom mandatu je u nekim slucajevima malo pogurao dalje, u nekim interpretacijama, kao sto je birthright. Ali to je manji broj slucajeva, zato I ugravnom dobija na sudu.

Rekla sam unapred da su sad Reps dosli na vlast spremni, za razliku od 2017te.

 

Da nema toliko TDSa verovatno niko ne bi ni obracao paznju. Znaci ne zanosite se da niko u administraciji ne zna sta rade. To je veoma stetna arogancija.

 

Ja licno uvek proverim koje zakone navode.

[Rex]

3 hours ago, Angelia said:

Za toliko vremena koliko pisem na forumu (izvini sto koristim tvoj post kao slagvort) niste naucili da kad ja kazem da je nesto u zakonu, to je zato sto sam proverila zakon.

Mozda je nesto pitanje pravne interpretacije, ali uglavnom je uvek jasno.

Znaci Hegseth je koristio citat iz zakona, nema levo, nema desno, nista izmisljeno, nije njegovo vidjenje, nista maglovito... na pitanje zasto si otpustio generale sa te pozicije on kaze zato sto je njihova pozicija da "serve at the pleasure of the President". Nije sexualni komentar nego pravni. Znaci, predsednik ima pravo da ih smeni bez obrazlozenja.

 

 

 

Hvala. Pročitao sam pažljivo zakon. U njemu ne piše da generalni služe "at the pleasure of the president", već samo da chief of staff služi "at the pleasure of the president", a ne generali. Štaviše, jedino gde se pominje odnos predsednika i oficira je odnos predsednika i chief of staff. 

 

Dakle, Hegseth nije citirao zakon, jer se u zakonu ne pominje odnos predsednika i generala.

 

Uzgred budi rečeno, za ovo kratko vreme koliko sam na forumu, ovo je treći put da mi daješ zakon da pročitam da bi branila svoju poziciju i sva tri puta si pogrešila. Štaviše, prethodna dva puta su zakoni koje si mi navodila direktno išli mojoj poziciji u diskusiji, a direktno suprotno tvojoj.

 

Ovde nisam ništa tvrdio, pa i ovi zakoni nemaju šta da idu u prilog mojoj tvrdnji, ali ponovo pokazuju da ti ili ne razumeš te zakone koje čitaš, ili motivisano i pristrasno zaključuješ pa i ne čitaš zaista šta piše u zakonu, ili lažeš. Ja mislim da je to čista pristrasnost, ali nije bitno. Stvarno više nije bitno.

[Dzoni_m]

Spomenik Rex-u na celicnim zivcima za objasnjavanje.

[Angelia]

2 minutes ago, Rex said:

 

Hvala. Pročitao sam pažljivo zakon. U njemu ne piše da generalni služe "at the pleasure of the president", već samo da chief of staff služi "at the pleasure of the president", a ne generali. Štaviše, jedino gde se pominje odnos predsednika i oficira je odnos predsednika i chief of staff. 

 

Dakle, Hegseth nije citirao zakon, jer se u zakonu ne pominje odnos predsednika i generala.

 

Uzgred budi rečeno, za ovo kratko vreme koliko sam na forumu, ovo je treći put da mi daješ zakon da pročitam da bi branila svoju poziciju i sva tri puta si pogrešila. Štaviše, prethodna dva puta su zakoni koje si mi navodila direktno išli mojoj poziciji u diskusiji, a direktno suprotno tvojoj.

 

Ovde nisam ništa tvrdio, pa i ovi zakoni nemaju šta da idu u prilog mojoj tvrdnji, ali ponovo pokazuju da ti ili ne razumeš te zakone koje čitaš, ili motivisano i pristrasno zaključuješ pa i ne čitaš zaista šta piše u zakonu, ili lažeš. Ja mislim da je to čista pristrasnost, ali nije bitno. Stvarno više nije bitno.

Omg .... chief of stuff i ostali u Joint chiefs of stuff su uvek generali. Koji deo nije bio jasan? Nije otpustio generale sa pozicije generala, nego sa pozicije koju su drzalu u izvrsnoj vlasti. Znaci 8 generala su otpusteni sa razlicitih pozicija koje sve imaju definiciju "serve at the pleasure of the President". Ova ti je primer, ili treba svih 8 da ti sad pokazem da bi ti skontao? Znaci Hegseth lepo kaze They all serve at the pleasure of the President. Izvini, ali ako ne mozes da skontas sta znaci opis posla, I rang u vojsci, I da su to dve razlicite stvari ja stvarno ne mogu da ti objasnim. Najprostija stvar na svetu.

Oni su svi zadrzali rank generala, ali nisu vise u izvrsnoj vlasti. Pa ajde mi objasni kako razumes zakon 😀

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3 hours ago, ters said:

 

Ja sam rekao da ne pise u zakonu o vojsci, jer nisam mogao vjerovati da je Sjedinjenija i prije kreleta bila banana drzava u kojoj bi ovakva formulacija bila kodifikovana u zakonu, ali eto sada mi je jasnije da je okvir za tekuce dogadjaje postavljen mnogo ranije nego sto sam mislio...

 

Za mene je porazno to sto postoji iko ko smatra normalnim to da bilo ko u vladi, a pogotovo u vojsci sluzi "at the pleasure of the president", odnosno kako mu puhne...

 

 

 

 

Rekla sam i ja, jer mi je neverovatno da taj recnik postoji u zakonu, al izes ga, uvek nesto novo vidis.

 

Trenutno su u upotrebi oko 300 hiljada zakona (federalnih)... ali evo sreca nasa znamo nekog ko zna svaki i uvek moze da da 'objasnjenje' na bukvalno svaki 🤪

[Angelia]

Da pojasnim ko deci, ako imas advokata, pa ga neko nominuje za AG, I drzi tu poziciju, dodje predsednik I otpusti ga sa pozicije AG, on je I dalje advokat, ali nije AG. Posto i AG "serves at the pleasure of the President". Jos samo da crtam objasnjenje.... ja ne razumem zakon 😀 

[ters]

1 minute ago, Angelia said:

Da pojasnim ko deci, ako imas advokata, pa ga neko nominuje za AG, I drzi tu poziciju, dodje predsednik I otpusti ga sa pozicije AG, on je I dalje advokat, ali nije AG. Posto i AG "serves at the pleasure of the President". Jos samo da crtam objasnjenje.... ja ne razumem zakon 😀 

 

Sada je mnogo jasnije - kada su glasaci 2020 otpustili Trampa, on je i dalje bio kriminalac, kao sto je kriminalac i sada kada su ga ponovo izabrali...

[mrd]

3 hours ago, Angelia said:

znaci da zakljucimo rekla si da nigde to ne pise, a ono pise, sad kazes ali ne znaci to sto pise, iako nisam sigurna ali mislim da je sud potvrdio da bas to pise.....

Jos uvek kazes "izreka" a ono zakon  znaci nije Hegseth budala....

Na zna baby engleski najbolje. Zbunila se ko i uvek.

[nonick]

Fasizam cveta u USA, cupaju radnike, majke, tate i babe iz fabrika:

 

Salado’s mother was one of more than 70 workers detained by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement last Tuesday. Salado said her mom, a Mexican national, has been in the US for 25 years, working and raising a family, and never even receiving a speeding ticket.

Many of those detained from the plant could be charged on various issues including misuse of visas, illegal reentry, resisting arrest, and misuse of social security numbers, according to federal authorities.

.....

 

“It was the worst day of my life,” Lorenzo Palma said, while sobbing. “They have left me destroyed.”

The couple’s 1-year-old girl is too young to understand but their 6-year-old daughter has been asking why their father hasn’t come home from work yet. “I tell her he went to work someplace else and that he will be back for us soon,” Lorenzo Palma said.

Her husband signed paperwork for immediate deportation, Lorenzo Palma said. He told her on the phone call that immigration agents had told him he was facing charges of identity theft, and that even if he spent a lot of money on lawyers, he would likely end up being deported anyway.

“The suffering is too great,” Lorenzo Palma said. “You fight it, and you get deported anyway is what he told me

 

link

 

Hitler approves this.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by nonick

[Smrtokapa]

Ne razumem se u ovu problematiku oko štaba, ali me je diskusija zaintrigirala pa sam malo guglao. Našao sam nešto što potvrđuje deo Angelijinih tvrdnji, ali ne sve. Zatim sam pitao veštačku inteligenciju i ona mi je potvrdila to što sam guglao:

 

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The only “at-pleasure” language in the Joint Chiefs statutes applies to the Chairman (and, by extension, the Vice Chairman’s removal authority).  The other Service Chiefs are appointed to fixed four-year terms in their respective statutes and aren’t described in law as “serving at the pleasure of the President.”  

1. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (10 U.S.C. § 152(a)(1)):  
   • Appointed by the President, with Senate advice and consent.  
   • “Serves at the pleasure of the President for a term of four years” (extendable and not subject to the term limit in wartime).[^3^]

2. Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (10 U.S.C. § 154):  
   • Also appointed by the President, with Senate consent, for four years.  
   • May be removed from office by the President at any time.[^4^]

3. Service Chiefs (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Space, National Guard):  
   • Each is appointed by the President, with Senate consent, to a four-year term under their branch’s statute (e.g., Army Chief at 10 U.S.C. § 3033(c), Navy CNO at 10 U.S.C. § 8033(c), etc.).  
   • They continue in office until their successors are appointed—statutes do not use the “at-pleasure” formula.[^4^]

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[^3^]: 10 U.S.C. § 152(a)(1) (“The Chairman serves at the pleasure of the President for a term of four years…”)  
[^4^]: 10 U.S.C. Ch. 5 (secs. 151–156), especially § 154 (Vice Chairman removal), and the individual Service Chief term provisions.

 

Predsednik nema diskreciono pravo da smeni sve članove Združenog štaba (njih 8 😎 ignorišite emotikona jer mi je glupi autokorekt sa telefona ubacio istog i ne mogu da ga obrišem) već samo predsednika i potpredsednika štaba.

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30 minutes ago, mrd said:

Na zna baby engleski najbolje. Zbunila se ko i uvek.

 

Nisam se ja nista zbunila, nego tvoja drugarica izvodi vratolomije kao i uvek kad je Tramp u pitanju... 

 

13 minutes ago, Smrtokapa said:

Ne razumem se u ovu problematiku oko štaba, ali me je diskusija zaintrigirala pa sam malo guglao. Našao sam nešto što potvrđuje deo Angelijinih tvrdnji, ali ne sve. Zatim sam pitao veštačku inteligenciju i ona mi je potvrdila to što sam guglao:

 

 

Predsednik nema diskreciono pravo da smeni sve članove Združenog štaba (njih 8 😎 ignorišite emotikona jer mi je glupi autokorekt sa telefona ubacio istog i ne mogu da ga obrišem) već samo predsednika i potpredsednika štaba.

 

 

Vidi, problem je sto je ovaj pijani magarac sa signala ponavljao kao papagaj i dalo je sasvim kretensku konotaciju, pritom su ga pitali za 8 otpustenih osoba koje predsednik ne moze da otpusti. Moze jednu od tih osmoro. A on nece da da odgovor. Znaju da brljaju i na ovaj nacin prebacuju lopticu sa jednog na drugog, na kraju ne samo da moras da raspetaljavas zakon, nego moras da raspetljavas ko je kriv, sto njima daje vreme da brljave dalje... 

Edited 2 hours ago by 𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

 

Da dodam, plus, on prebacuje na trampa, a trampu su ovi iz suda dali kompletan imunitet. Znaci, mogu da rade sta im padne na pamet svi odreda, samo pomenu 'predsednika'

Btw jel mi pricao o ovom samo da ne bi pricali kako mirotvorac pocinje rat?