[USA] SJEDINJENE AMERIČKE DRŽAVE - unutrašnja politika i uticaj na svetska kretanja

[Angelia]

14 minutes ago, Ludi za Poli said:

Prva recenica savrseno opisuje sve sto ti drobis vec vise od godinu dana 

Ali ja zivim ovde, zivot se ne desava na Twitteru. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[ters]

57 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Kakva gomila gluposti, lazi I laznih interpretacija. Ja stvarno ne bih volela da zivim u tvojoj viziji sveta. Sva sreca da nista od toga nije istina. Kao I oni nacisti koji su marsirali, negde....valjda su odmarsirali sa ivice ravne zemlje 🤷‍♀️

Medjunarodne institucije su nadgledale Ameriku??? Ne mogu....stvarno...

Da, medjunarodne organizacije nadgledaju stanja u Sjedinjeniji - svaka u svom djelokrugu, koliko god vi mislili da svijet pocinje i zavrsava sa vama:

 

UN Human Rights Council   - 2020 Universal Periodic Review of the United States of America - United States Department of State

UNHCR United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees - News comment: UNHCR reiterates concern about US asylum regulations | UNHCR US

World Health Organization (WHO)  - International Health Regulations M&E Framework
World Trade Organization (WTO) - WTO | Trade policy review -United States of America2022

 

A o svemu ostalom - mozemo tacku po tacku... Pa svog covjeka - Richarda Grenella je stavio da cijepa karte na ulazu u pozoriste, da ne idemo dalje....

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 05:12 PM by ters

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Trump says ‘I would’ arrest Gavin Newsom after California gov dares border czar to cuff him

 

 

Definitivno hoce haos... i sad ne mogu da izdrze da ga naprave sto pre. Prosao vikend, ljudi otisli da rade, znaci nesto novo smisliti... 

 

 

 

[MeanMachine]

59 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Ali ja zivim ovde, zivot se ne desava na Twitteru. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

Ako nisi primetila samo ti od nasih forumasa koji zive u Americi to non stop potenciras.

Edited Monday at 06:00 PM by MeanMachine

[zoran59]

3 hours ago, Angelia said:

Ali ja zivim ovde, zivot se ne desava na Twitteru. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

Stvarno? Well, sorry to burst your bubble, i ja zivim ovde. Malo duze nego ti - uselio sam pre 45 godina. Video sam vise promena. Ziveo sam (imao stalnu adresu) u 4 savezne drzave, a posetio preko 40 (sta ces, lifelong motociklista). Na ovoj temi se javlja nekoliko nas koji zivimo ovde, pa ipak donosimo razlicite zakljucke. Bice da je razlika u kolicini informacija i nacinu kako ih procesuisemo. Otkako je interneta, pitanje je samo koliko neko ima vremena i interesa. Uostalom, mnoga desavanja mozes da pratis uzivo (npr.  https://www.earthcam.com/ ).

Adresa nije dovoljna kvalifikacija za kvalitetan doprinos temi. Dokaz za to su neki moji komsije moje dobi koji su rodjeni i odrasli ovde ali svejedno nemaju ni obrazovanje ni interes za svet oko sebe - pa tako ja znam ko je nas guverner i kakve stavove ima a oni ne znaju. U praksi, znam kome da se obratim da zakrpi rupu u nasoj ulici (upravo to sam uradio pre par godina), oni ni to ne znaju - mada placaju iste poreze i namete kao i ja.

 

Za moj ukus, skretanje USA na desnu stranu je zapocelo dolaskom Reagana na vlast a za vreme Trumpa se ubrzalo (Reagan je zapoceo prvi mandati iste godine kad sam uselio - koincidencija?). Nije ni on prosao bez skandala, mada su se svinjarije u njegovo vreme radile suptilnije. Ovako:

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The Iran-Contra affair was a major scandal during the Reagan administration where U.S. officials secretly sold arms to Iran, a state sponsor of terrorism, and funneled the profits to the Contras, rebel groups fighting against the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, despite a congressional ban. This occurred while the U.S. was seeking the release of American hostages held by Iranian-backed groups in Lebanon. The affair led to a wide-ranging investigation, legal proceedings, and significant damage to the administration's reputation.

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Reagan je izbegao odgovornost, krivicu je preuzeo pukovnik Oliver North.

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A veteran of the Vietnam War, North was a National Security Council staff member during the Iran–Contra affair, a political scandal of the late 1980s. It involved the illegal sale of weapons to the Khomeini regime of the Islamic Republic of Iran to encourage the release of American hostages then held in Lebanon. North formulated the second part of the plan, which was to divert proceeds from the arms sales to support the Contra rebel groups in Nicaragua, official funding for which had been specifically prohibited under the Boland Amendment. North was granted limited immunity from prosecution in exchange for testifying before Congress about the scheme. He was initially convicted on three felony charges, but the convictions were vacated and reversed and all charges against him dismissed in 1991, on the grounds of immunity.

(preuzeto sa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North  ). 

Zasto me na ovaj skandal podsetilo tvoje pisanje ovde?

Reagan se pojavio na konferenciji za stampu i rekao, izbegavajuci odgovornost, da pojma nije imao sta neki ljudi u njegovoj vladi rade i da je iznenadjen novim saznanjima o tome. E, onda se u medijima povela citava rasprava o tome da li je on izgledao iznenadjeno. Jedna moja drugarice je kazala da njoj svakako jeste. Moj odgovor na to je bio kratak, u dva dela:

- prvo, on ima visedecenijsko iskustvo kao holivudski glumac i sposoban je da izgleda kako on hoce

- drugo, kad kaze da ne zna sta National Security Council radi: ili laze ili nije sposoban da bude predsednik, a u oba slucaja treba da podnese ostavku

Naravno, nije se desilo.

Tvoji postovi ovde me podsecaju na moju tadasnju drugaricu. Kao sto je njoj Reagan izgledao"iznenadjeno," tako si i ti ovde jos mesecima pre izbora pisala da ne znas sta je Heritage Foundation, a uostalom - sam Trump je izjavio da ne zna sta je Project 2025. 

A kad ono - Project 2025 se provodi, a nekoliko autora tog teksta, pripadnika Heritage Foundation, su clanovi Trumpove vlade.

Zato, dozvoli da neki forumasi izlazu argumentovano misljenje drugacije od tvog, mada ne zive ovde. 

 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, 𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂 said:

Bukvalno hoce da naprave haos i izazovu vanredno stanje, ko zna, mozda i pocne civilni rat... 

 

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Ovo nema veze sa imigrantima, ovo je samo nacin da naprave haos u drzavi, proglase vanredno stanje. Jbg imaju okvirni rok od 180 dana da zadovolje projekat 2025, a vec je proslo dosta i nista se nije desilo, sada mora da se ubrza, sto znaci moraju vise sranja da prave da bi izazvali reakciju.

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Dosta se pise i govori o fasizaciji modernog americkog drustva,mrzi da sve prenosim. No, Baby, u prilog ovome sto si napisala, jedan clanak koji to lepo objasnjava. Iza paywall-a je pa cu ga preneti u celini (boldovano u clanku je original, nisam ja boldovao):

 

LA was a dress rehearsal for what Trump really has planned

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Thom Hartmann

June 9, 2025 12:06PM ET

Trump: Well, we’re going to have troops everywhere.

Reporter: What’s the bar for sending in the Marines?
Trump: The bar is what I think it is.

The 2026 and 2028 elections may have just gotten a lot more distant. First, the backstory.

It was around 2 a.m. on July 15, 2020, when Mark Pettibone, then 29, was walking home from a relatively calm Black Lives Matter protest in downtown Portland, Oregon. He hadn’t done anything more provocative than wearing a black shirt: no slogans, no mask, no glimmers of violence. Yet an unmarked minivan pulled up alongside him. Out jumped several armed men in camouflage, with no insignia, to slip a bag over his head and kidnap him.

“I was terrified,” Pettibone told reporters, his voice trembling with the memory. “It was like being preyed upon."

He was shoved into the van, blindfolded, driven to the federal courthouse, interrogated, and held — with no Miranda rights, no paperwork, no explanation — for nearly 90 minutes before being released without charge or citation.

No uniforms, no accountability, no transparency, yet a citizen was stripped of his rights and dignity in a blurry high-stakes operation. And around the same time in Washington, DC, Donald Trump was trying to talk Gen. Mark Milley into having the National Guard shoot at protesters in that city.

This was not some fringe vigilante action. It was federal agents wielding brute force under cover of Trump’s executive order, agents whose silence spoke louder than any badge. The American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon called it an unconstitutional kidnapping. Legal scholars said probable cause was nowhere to be found.

Yet Merrick Garland, U.S. Attorney General under Joe Biden, decided it wasn’t worth investigating or prosecuting. Let’s just move on. And so here we are.

As Trump levels attacks on Los Angeles — sending in federal forces to “restore order” amid unrest provoked by ICE’s illegal tactics — Portland’s secret‑police saga shouldn’t just echo, it should ring alarm bells. If you thought that unmarked vans and invisible state power were confined to dystopian fiction, Pettibone’s story proves they already stalk our cities.

Trump and his neofascist sidekicks sending the National Guard into LA may look, on the surface, like another “law and order” stunt from a man whose political brand depends on hate and fear. But beneath the posturing lies something far darker and far more dangerous to American democracy.

This is not even remotely about suppressing unrest. Instead, it’s about setting an unconstitutional, anti-democratic precedent: that the president of the United States can deploy military force on a whim, against his political enemies, without state or local consent.

It’s about turning a democratic republic into an authoritarian stronghold. It’s about ending federalism — what political scientists and our Founders called our form of government — as we know it.

This is a test and a dress rehearsal. If he gets away with it, he will probably use this exact same formula — create a crisis worthy of television, bring in the feds, declare a state of emergency — to accomplish what he really wants to do.

For example, suspending the 2026 election. Yeah, that. Otherwise, Democrats might take the House and begin investigations of him that could lead to more prosecutions and convictions. And there’s no way he’s going to peacefully allow that.

For nearly 250 years, America has been guided by a simple democratic principle: that power flows from the people upward, not the other way around. When Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, he was unambiguous:

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…”

We elect our sheriffs, our mayors and city councils, our governors and legislatures; those elections are our form of “consent.” They are closest to us, most accountable, and best positioned to determine how and when to protect public safety.

With very few exceptions having to do with the Civil War, World War II, and the defense of Civil Rights protestors, “keeping the order” through law enforcement has always been handled at the most local level possible so the people whose lives and daily activities are directly impacted have a say and can hold police and the people guiding them accountable.

But Trump has never cared for accountability. And now, like the autocrats he so admires — Putin, Erdoğan, Orbán — he is showing us that he sees local government not as a partner in governance, but as an obstacle to be crushed.

Let’s be clear: sending the National Guard into LA, especially when done over the objections of California’s governor and the LA mayor, is a direct assault on one of the foundational principles of American democracy: local control.

This is the classic blueprint for dictatorship — using federal military power to override the will of elected local leaders — and it reflects the way fascism has begun in nearly every nation that has lost their democracy over the past century.

Even more glaring proof that this isn’t about “law and order” is the simple reality that Trump isn’t responding to a rebellion or foreign invasion. He’s responding, instead, to protests against ICE arresting people without warrants, a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment itself that says:

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Trump is attacking the very same protests that are explicitly protected by our Constitution, reflecting the saying so often attributed to Voltaire (it actually came from his biographer) that it’s become an all-America cliché: “I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

As the First Amendment makes explicit:

“Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

That’s what makes this move so chilling. When a president treats constitutionally-protected protest as insurrection and sends in federal troops over the objections of state and local elected officials, he’s not preserving order: he’s causing disorder and, in the process, destroying our democracy.

We’ve seen this movie before; as mentioned, in 2020, Trump deployed federal agents in unmarked military gear to Portland and DC. They tear-gassed peaceful demonstrators, beat and shot journalists, and abducted citizens off the streets. Americans shrugged. The media called it “controversial.” Garland decided other things were more important.

But the lesson Trump took from it was simple: it worked. He faced no consequences. The courts barely blinked and Garland looked the other way. So now Trump’s doing it again, only this time bigger, bolder, and with clearer political intent.

Sending the Guard to LA sends a message to every mayor and governor: If you oppose Trump, he can bring troops to your doorstep. And it sends a message to every American: If you protest, if you dissent, if you organize, you may one day be staring down the barrel of a gun flown in on orders from Washington, DC.

This is not hypothetical. It’s not alarmism. It’s a dry run for the eventual suppression of all dissent that seriously threatens the Trump regime. Just like in Russia, Hungary, or Turkey.

Deploying the National Guard for political purposes chills the First Amendment. Giving them the power to assault and arrest protestors breaks the Fourth Amendment. It tells the American people: stay quiet, or the military might show up.

That’s not democracy; that’s authoritarianism in plain sight.

Yes, Title 10 gives the president the power to federalize the National Guard during times of invasion, insurrection, or to overcome obstacles to enforcing federal law.

But Trump is taking it a step farther, giving Guard members the power to make arrests and point their guns at civilians, a clear and outrageous violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, enacted in 1878 in response to the violations of civil rights being perpetrated on civilians by the military during the post-Civil War occupation of the South.

That law explicitly forbids the military from turning their guns on civilians. Nonetheless, Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) is now so concerned that she’s begging Guard troops not to shoot at protesters. This should deeply shock every American.

As California Gov. Gavin Newsom posted to Xitter:

“We didn’t have a problem until Trump got involved. This is a serious breach of state sovereignty — inflaming tensions while pulling resources from where they’re actually needed.”

And let’s not pretend this is about safety. The same man who praised the “very fine people” who marched with torches in Charlottesville in 2017, after counter-protester Heather Heyer was killed; who pardoned violent insurrectionists after January 6; who routinely echoes Hitler when he calls his political opponents “scum,” “animals,” and “vermin”; does not care about public peace. He cares about control.

He wants to exercise domination and revenge against anybody (like Gov. Newsom) who dares stand up to him. And he’s now using federal armed forces to flex his power to lord over the rest of us in ways that would make our Founders puke … or revolt.

If Trump is allowed to normalize the use of federal troops against American cities — particularly progressive cities that vote against him — it won’t stop with LA. Tomorrow it’s Chicago. Next month, New York. Then Seattle, Atlanta, Philadelphia. It becomes a pattern, then a doctrine: the president as enforcer-in-chief, sending muscle into any jurisdiction that refuses to obey.

That’s not federalism or anything remotely resembling law and order. That’s fascism.

And it’s not “coming” or “on its way.” It’s here, now.

And if he gets away with it, future presidents will do the same. The precedent — already weakly established here in Portland in 2020 — will be locked in. The checks and balances will have been destroyed.

That’s assuming there even are elections in the future.

As former Trump insider Lev Parnas said:

“According to my sources, there are discussions happening right now — within Trump’s most trusted circle — about invoking martial law if the protests ‘get out of hand.’ They’re looking for any excuse. Any video. Any act of violence. Any disruption. That’s all they need to justify a crackdown.

“And it gets worse. What I’m being told is that Trump allies — including elements connected to Proud Boys, III Percenters, and other far-right militia networks — are planning to infiltrate the June 14th protests. Not to support them. To sabotage them. Their goal? Create chaos. Spark confrontation. Trigger a response from law enforcement. And then hand Trump the justification he needs to clamp down.”

America is at a crossroads. We can pretend this is just another Trump stunt, something to be laughed at or dismissed, or we can recognize it for what it is: a direct assault on civilian government, an unconstitutional power grab, and a warning shot at the heart of democracy.

It’s time to stop normalizing the abnormal. Troops in the streets of American cities should send chills down our spine, not shrugs across the airwaves or the pathetic cheerleading we see on the billionaire-owned Fox “News.”

When a president uses the military against his own people to score political points, democracy itself becomes collateral damage.

And if Trump gets away with this like he did here in Portland in 2020, every new act of violence against the Constitution and people who disagree with him (Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is now threatening to deploy Marines) will become less scandalous, more “normal,” and more likely to lead to the next crackdown.

And then the state of emergency. And then the suspension of elections.

The time to speak out is now, not after Trump’s seized a dozen more cities and imprisoned thousands of us. Call your members of Congress, and I’ll see you in the streets next Saturday.

 

Izvinjavam se svima zbog podugackog posta...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 08:43 PM by zoran59
gramatika, slovca

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24 minutes ago, zoran59 said:

Bice da je razlika u kolicini informacija i nacinu kako ih procesuisemo. Otkako je interneta, pitanje je samo koliko neko ima vremena i interesa.

 

Ovo je postala glavna okosnica svih nesporazuma. 

 

Jel... ne citam/gledam Fox, CNN, Washington post... etc svi redom, jer su previse right ili previse left... 

- Necu da se informisem na socijalnim medijima, to su sve izmisljotine i gluposti

- Istorija nema veze sa ovim, to je bilo nekada... 

 

Sve su to i dalje samo izgovori... 

 

I do cega dolazimo?

Sedim i od kuce radim moj posao, ne koristim medije jer su... ne koristim socijalne medije jer su... u blizem kontaktu sam sa nekih 10 ljudi... ali zivim ovde i nema veze sto nemam pojma sta se desava ispred moje zgrade niti kako neko od mojih komisija razmislja ne sve ove teme, ja cu doneti valjani zakljucak iz moje sopstvene perspektive i eventualno par istomisljenika iz ove grupe sa kojima stalno kontaktiram, ali ja sam tu, na licu mesta i sta ima ko da mi se suprotstavlja, kvalifikacija na najvisem nivou koji mi daje za pravo da ucutkujem ostale. Meredijani, paralele i osecaj u debelom crevu su izvor informacija.

 

Da ljudi isto misle na sve teme, ne bi imali nesporazume, demonstracije... sve bi islo glatko. Ali nije tako, niti ce ikada biti. Igde. 

 

Btw, ostavila bi tvoju konstataciju na interesu, vreme se uvek nadje ako te nesto zanima. 

 

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As Trump levels attacks on Los Angeles — sending in federal forces to “restore order” amid unrest provoked by ICE’s illegal tactics — Portland’s secret‑police saga shouldn’t just echo, it should ring alarm bells. If you thought that unmarked vans and invisible state power were confined to dystopian fiction, Pettibone’s story proves they already stalk our cities.

 

Sve trikove su pokupili od Putina i Vucica. 

 

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Trump and his neofascist sidekicks sending the National Guard into LA may look, on the surface, like another “law and order” stunt from a man whose political brand depends on hate and fear. But beneath the posturing lies something far darker and far more dangerous to American democracy.

 

I oni su idioti, mislim na nacionalnu gardu, evo kako ih drze bez hrane i vode (mogu misliti sta rade imigrantima i onim pohapsenim):

 

 

Mi ih placamo da nas maltretiraju?! Nije to Trampova privatna vojska! Oni su tu i zadatak im je da stite gradjane, a ne da ispaljuju po njima gumene metke i bacaju suzavce. Shame of them!! Beskicmenjaci. 

 

Uci ce u istoriju kao oni koji su omogucili ovo:

 

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This is not even remotely about suppressing unrest. Instead, it's about setting an unconstitutional, anti-democratic precedent: that the president of the United States can deploy military force on a whim, against his political enemies, without state or local consent.

 

It's about turning a democratic republic into an authoritarian stronghold. It's about ending federalism — what political scientists and our Founders called our form of government — as we know it.

 

Sto neki reci, nece pisati neonskim slovima gore iznad vrata 'diktatura' nego ce se desiti i desava se, samo je pitanje da li zelimo da vidimo, eventualno sprecimo. Kuvaju nas kao zabe. 

 

 

Gledam pre neki dan demokrate u diskusiji za gradonacelnika NYC. Postavljaju im pitanje (stavicu video, krace je nego da pisem)

 

 

WTF je ovo? Kakve veze ima gradonacelnik grada sa putovanjima u druge drzave?! Ok, NY jevreji.  Ima ih, ali kakve veze ima Izrael? Ima toliko i Kineza, sto nisu pitali ko ce u Kinu. Mislim, jel smo postali Izrael playground? Sve za Amere!! Sto je najgore, oni se bas ni ne uklapaju u projekat 2025, nego ce kad ih izmuzu da ih sutnu kao i sve ostale. 

 

Nadam se da ce ovaj Zohran pobediti. Ne znam ko je, ali ovi ostali nisu normalni 100%. 

 

 

Inace, kad si pomenuo Regana Zoki... Koledzi su bili besplatni u Kaliforniji dok on nije dosao sa pricom o komunistima, a zavrsilo se tako sto je ispao dobrotvor i otvorio fondaciju za skolarine (tada najjednostavniji nacin za klepanje para)... 

 

 

Definitivno su politicari the worst of all that walk on two legs. Na cast onima koji su u promilu. 

[nonick]

A battalion of 500 U.S. Marines are mobilizing to Los Angeles to respond to anti-immigration enforcement riots, Fox News has learned. 

The Marines will be tasked with protecting federal property and federal personnel, according to a senior defense official, and the deployment is open-ended. 

 

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8 minutes ago, nonick said:

A battalion of 500 U.S. Marines are mobilizing to Los Angeles to respond to anti-immigration enforcement riots, Fox News has learned. 

The Marines will be tasked with protecting federal property and federal personnel, according to a senior defense official, and the deployment is open-ended. 

 

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Cek, niko vise ne prica o drugom amandmanu i kako nam treba tona oruzja ponaosob da se branili od opresije governmenta. To je bio razlog ljubiteljima AR15, ne?

[Angelia]

4 hours ago, MeanMachine said:

 

Ako nisi primetila samo ti od nasih forumasa koji zive u Americi to non stop potenciras.

Pa vidi, samo mene ubedjujete da ne vidim gde zivim.

Sad, smesno, Whoopi Goldberg kaze da je sukob Tramp-Musk mozda samo isceniran 😀 ne cenim njeno misljenje uobicajeno, ali nije da ga mnogi nemaju. Prosle godine ja pricam da je Trampova popularnost sve veca, ovde me ljudi ubedjuju kako je to "wishful thinking", guess what?

Znas ko samo drvi o tome kako Tramp hoce Marshall law? Samo Dems I mediji kao MSNBC, na desnoj strani se svi smeju doticnim spekulacijama. Isto kao sto se smeju I pricama o diktaturi, gde mnogi kritikuju neke poteze.

Pricate o projektu 2025, a kad pogledas birokratiju u vecini federalnih agencija, oni su 95+% Dems donatori I glasaci. A kao Tramp ce zameniti ljude lojalistima. Hm jasno je ko je to uradio.... 

Pricali smo I o Bidenu, gde sam vise puta pitala ko vodi zemlju, jer je bilo jasno da je senilan, sta sad znamo? Isto bilo sa tarifama.

Znas zasto sam pomenula Twitter? Jer ljudi zive u echo-chambers svojih istomisljenika, umesto da slusaju vise strana, da dobiju pravu sliku. On ima ogromnu podrsku glasaca za njegovu imigracionu politiku, zato sto je Amerikancima jasno da ne zele ilegalne imigrante, iz vise razloga, a ne zato sto su rasisti. I uopste nema sumnje da vecinu treba deportovati. I onda dodju Dems I kazu ali gde cemo naci jeftinu radnu snagu 🤔

[zoran59]

1 hour ago, Angelia said:

Pa vidi, samo mene ubedjujete da ne vidim gde zivim.

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Znas ko samo drvi o tome kako Tramp hoce Marshall law? ...

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Treba da naucis sta je martial law i zasto nema veze sa onim sto se zove Marshall Plan i provodjeno je od 1948. do 1951.

 

Edited Monday at 11:52 PM by zoran59

[Angelia]

27 minutes ago, zoran59 said:

 

 

 

Treba da naucis sta je martial law i zasto nema veze sa onim sto se zove Marshall Plan i provodjeno je od 1948. do 1951.

 

Spelling check Zoki 😀 uhvatio si me u borbi sa novim telefonom.

Ali good catch 😀 jel stvarno mislis da ne znam razliku? Tztztz

[Rex]

2 hours ago, 𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂 said:

I oni su idioti, mislim na nacionalnu gardu, evo kako ih drze bez hrane i vode (mogu misliti sta rade imigrantima i onim pohapsenim):

 

 

 

 

Potpuno nevezano za celu temu, i izvinjavam se svima na offtopicu, ali svako ko je služio vojsku će ti reći da se ne bi žalio za ovakav aranžman tokom angažmana na terenu. Suvo je, izgleda dovoljno toplo - dovoljno za spavanje i to je to. 

Nije nikakav doprinos temi, ali me podsetilo na neke... manje udobne dane. :)

Izvinjavam se na offtopiku. 

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Ovaj je totalno smaknuo s uma

 

 

Uhapsice Gavina samo zato sto je guvernér... 

 

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

8 minutes ago, Rex said:

 

Potpuno nevezano za celu temu, i izvinjavam se svima na offtopicu, ali svako ko je služio vojsku će ti reći da se ne bi žalio za ovakav aranžman tokom angažmana na terenu. Suvo je, izgleda dovoljno toplo - dovoljno za spavanje i to je to. 

Nije nikakav doprinos temi, ali me podsetilo na neke... manje udobne dane. :)

Izvinjavam se na offtopiku. 

 

Verovatno da si u pravu, nisam mislila o tome. 

 

Vise me je povuklo ono kako ih narandzasti tretira kao luzere, pa mi nekako ovaj pod isao u uz to. 

 

 

[Rex]

47 minutes ago, 𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂 said:

 

Verovatno da si u pravu, nisam mislila o tome. 

 

Vise me je povuklo ono kako ih narandzasti tretira kao luzere, pa mi nekako ovaj pod isao u uz to. 

 

 

 

Ma, nebitan je moj post, ignoriši, nije uopšte doprinos diskusiji, nego eto, podsetilo me na neke davno prošle hladne i vlažne dane. Slobodno ignoriši sve. 🙂

[Angelia]

 

6 hours ago, zoran59 said:

Zato, dozvoli da neki forumasi izlazu argumentovano misljenje drugacije od tvog, mada ne zive ovde. 

 

Zoki, ne zameram ja nikom da ima misljenje, samo mi bezveze da me uveravaju da znaju kako se nesto desava, jer ponavljaju tudja misljenja. Sam kazes, ima dosta ljudi koji u US nemaju pojma ni ko im je predsednik, a kamoli senator, ili gradonacelnik. Ti ces reci zato sto su nezainteresovani, a ja cu ti reci da su nezainteresovani, zato sto cesto nema uticaj na njihov zivot. Ja sam recimo znala ko je ko u Filadelfiji, jer mi je bilo bitno, evo dve godine u Majamiju nemam pojma ko je gradonacelnik, nije me se dotaklo. Sad imam prigovor na lokalnom nivou pa cu se umesati u lokalnu vlast, isto kao sto si ti sa rupom na putu.

Dosta ljudi ni ne glasa, zive svoj zivot, brinu o nekim drugim stvarima. Cesto ucestvuju u lokalnim zajednicama, ali nemaju pojma sta se desava na drzavnom ili federalnom nivou. Po meni to je cesto dobra stvar. Lokalna politika je bitnija. Sam kazes ziveo si u 4 drzave I obisao mnoge, ja zivela u 2, I prosla kroz dosta, nisam brojala, u nekim provela I dosta vremena. 

Velike razlike izmedju gde zivis. I sta ti je bitno. Ogroman broj nije ni registrovan da glasa.Mozda I nikad nece. 

Samo kazem da ljudi koji se vestima hrane iz jedne cinije, mnogo sto sta nije jasno. Pricaju o due process kao da svaki ilegalni imigrant treba da ima sudjenje, pricaju o diktaturi, ti I ja smo godinama objasnjavali da I ilegalni imigranti dobijaju medicinsku brigu, ali nam je objasnjavano kako "nemaju svi zdravstveno"... ja bukvalno kad God se desi neko veliko nevreme u US moram mojima u SR da objasnjam da to nije kod mene. 

Ti mislis da je Tramp opasnost, ja mislim da je sve to preterivanje u politicke svrhe. Da sutra zaboravim da Tramp postoji, nista u mom zivotu se ne bi promenilo.

 

[mrd]

10 hours ago, MeanMachine said:

 

Ako nisi primetila samo ti od nasih forumasa koji zive u Americi to non stop potenciras.

Verovatno drugi nemaju živaca da to ponove.

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

 

ICE Invaded Child’s Birthday Party Claiming It Was a Gang Meeting

 

 

 

[DJORDJE]

Mozda Andjelija moze da desifruje ovu pravnu vratolomiju.

 

 

[Angelia]

2 hours ago, DJORDJE said:

Mozda Andjelija moze da desifruje ovu pravnu vratolomiju.

To nije pravna vratolomija, nego politicka, sad ima advokate koji mu kazu po ovom zakonu to moze I on to uradi. Tad je bio u kampanji za izbor, rekli mu ovo je najbolji stav da zauzmes... to nije nikakav gotcha moment.

 

 

[Beonegro]

17 hours ago, 𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂 said:

 

Cek, niko vise ne prica o drugom amandmanu i kako nam treba tona oruzja ponaosob da se branili od opresije governmenta. To je bio razlog ljubiteljima AR15, ne?

 

 

[Beonegro]

46 minutes ago, Angelia said:

To nije pravna vratolomija, nego politicka, sad ima advokate koji mu kazu po ovom zakonu to moze I on to uradi. Tad je bio u kampanji za izbor, rekli mu ovo je najbolji stav da zauzmes... to nije nikakav gotcha moment.

 

 

 

Orwell bi prosto rekao doublethink.

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

Ostavicu ovo ovde, cisto da znamo o cemu se radi ako se razvije u nesto... 

 

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/kamala-harris-won-the-u-s-elections-bombshell-report-claims-voting-machines-were-tampered-with-before-2024/articleshow/121732679.cms?from=mdr

 

Moguce da ce biti i za djubre... 

[nonick]

 

 

 

Onion: ICE Releases Gavin Newsom Beheading Video

 

 

[nonick]

Dr. Phil i slebdenici umobolnog fasizma, hvatajuci dece, mame i tate - i svi koji jos i dalje podrzavljalju Trampov rezim - su na pogresnoj strani istorije. Ako su hteli da vrate iligalne imigrante ovo sto je rade je sadisticko izivljavanje, ponizavanje. No doci ce i ovome kraj.

 

 

I svi koji relativizuju ovo i Trampove postupke su govno, kao Obama ovo i Bajden ono. Ma mrs bre. Ti ne zasluzuju nikakav komentar i diskusiju - samo krvavu ruku! F U! Isto kao ono govno u Srbiji.

 

 

 

Edited 54 minutes ago by nonick