[USA] SJEDINJENE AMERIČKE DRŽAVE - unutrašnja politika i uticaj na svetska kretanja

[Helena]

1 hour ago, Nek grmi jako said:

@MeanMachine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A odgovori na Tviteru u odnosu na ovaj post su posebno zanimljivi. Posebno se podvlači narativ iz Pekinga da je Tramp siledžija, a to kažu kineske vlasti koje su najzaslužnijie ne samo za krađu intelektualnih dobara i špijunažu, nego i za smrt oko 250.000 Amerikanaca.

 

Kada tome dodamo i žrtve pandemije koja je potekla iz Vuhana, taj broj je svakako mnogo, mnogo veći.

Ja i dalje ne kontam, ovako se može optužiti industrija duvana i alkoholnih pića koji se proizvode u Americi.

[Angelia]

 

2 hours ago, Dragan said:

"zvanican razlog zasto rusija nema carine su sankcije"

Zasto bi to bio neki razlog ?

 

PS

Hajde nam onda javi kad budes procenila da je Zlatno Doba dojahalo.

Zato sto je trgovina sa Rusijom toliko vec pritisnuta, da dodatne carine ne bi imale smisla. Nemam pojma sta hoces od mene, ja reko da je to zvanican stav. Jasno ti je valjda da nezvanican razlog ima smisla? Nikakve tarife ne bi znacajno ostetile Rusiju.

 

Odma cu vam dojaviti.

[Maharaja]

Tako to dame i gospodo izgleda, kada MAGA bolest uznapreduje.

 

Trgovina Trampije sa Putinijom je  $3.5bn.

 

Svakako mnogo veća nego sa pingvinima, koji su dobili carinu.

 

Ali bolest njihovog boga gangstera, se mora opravdati, pa makar po cenu nenormalnog baljezganja, lupetanja, i jedenja govana.

[Dragan]

On 4/8/2025 at 7:57 AM, Dragan said:

@Angelia

 

Sorry, mea culpa, mislio sam da znas o cemu pricamo.

 

Rusija u USA godišnje izveze 3 milijarde dolara. Rusija nije dobila carine.

Lesoto u USA godišnje izveze 250 milijuna dolara - 1/12 ruskog izvoza. Lesoto je dobio 50% carine.

 

Dakle, kako objasnjavas to da je stabilni uveo carine celom svetu, a russiji nije ?

@Angelia

Samo pokusavam da shvatim, zasto i kojim mehanizmom, jedna pametna zena, koja verovatno jesi, pokusava opravdati sve bedastoce stabilnog prevaranta.

Koje su sve logicke i kognitivne vratolomije potrebne za to.

 

Dakle, russija kao agresor nema carine, iako izvozi 3 milijarde $ u US, dok Ukrajina koja se brani i koja se valjda isto treba pitati u tim "mirovnim" pregovorima, ima 10%.

Nije to cak ni ekonomsko pitanje, vec moralno i pitanje ko vam je saveznik, a ko neprijatelj.

 

Zasto russija nije na tom carinskom spisku ?

Upotrebi konacno tu Ochamovu britvu, umesto sto trazis 4d pamet tamo gde je nema.

Da ponovim - ne radi se samo o ekonomiji, vec i o moralnom integritetu.

No, izgleda da vi Ameri vidite to drugacije.

PS

Btw, sta bi sa vasim siromasnim, i pogodjenim vremenskim nepogodama (X je bio pun zalopojki na Bidena, sto ne salje M777 njima nego u Ukrajinu, a sada...) ?

Sigurno im sada stabilni puno vise pomaze, velike ustede, ne salje se vise nista Ukrajini, a i zaradila se neka crkavica poslednjih dana na berzi.

Znam ja njega, meko srce i dusa od coveka, no voli da pomaze kad niko ne vidi.

 

[Darko]

Izvinite što upadam kao padobranac, ali ovo je po meni glavni problem već dugo vremena:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/median-house-prices-vs-income-us/

 

Tako, džaba taj ekonomski rast kada prosečna osoba vidi da mu standard života opada, to jest da treba više para da odvoji da bi živeo "Američki san" - kuća i familija. Ovako demagogi poput Trampa i dobiju vlast. Kaveat: ranije su interestne rate bile veće, tako da razlika u ceni kuća ima manji efekat na repayments ali je i dalje problem.

 

Situacija je slična i u Australiji, u stvari još je i gora:

https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/housing-affordability-is-so-bad-that-2020-now-looks-good/

 

Očigledno, nešto ne štima. 

[Angelia]

4 hours ago, Dragan said:

@Angelia

Samo pokusavam da shvatim, zasto i kojim mehanizmom, jedna pametna zena, koja verovatno jesi, pokusava opravdati sve bedastoce stabilnog prevaranta.

Koje su sve logicke i kognitivne vratolomije potrebne za to.

 

Dakle, russija kao agresor nema carine, iako izvozi 3 milijarde $ u US, dok Ukrajina koja se brani i koja se valjda isto treba pitati u tim "mirovnim" pregovorima, ima 10%.

Nije to cak ni ekonomsko pitanje, vec moralno i pitanje ko vam je saveznik, a ko neprijatelj.

 

Zasto russija nije na tom carinskom spisku ?

Upotrebi konacno tu Ochamovu britvu, umesto sto trazis 4d pamet tamo gde je nema.

Da ponovim - ne radi se samo o ekonomiji, vec i o moralnom integritetu.

No, izgleda da vi Ameri vidite to drugacije.

PS

Btw, sta bi sa vasim siromasnim, i pogodjenim vremenskim nepogodama (X je bio pun zalopojki na Bidena, sto ne salje M777 njima nego u Ukrajinu, a sada...) ?

Sigurno im sada stabilni puno vise pomaze, velike ustede, ne salje se vise nista Ukrajini, a i zaradila se neka crkavica poslednjih dana na berzi.

Znam ja njega, meko srce i dusa od coveka, no voli da pomaze kad niko ne vidi.

 

Po ko zna koji put, zato sto hoce da pregovara mir za Ukrajinu, a to se ne desava ako jos vise maltretiras neprijatelja koji je nuklearna sila.

Nisu potrebne nikakve vratolomije, samo zdrav razum I malo objektivnosti.

Koji moralni integritet u spoljnoj politici? Onaj u kome EU kupuje vise nafte od Rusije nego sto pomaze Ukrajinu? Ona gde svetski lideri sede sa koljacima I tiranima I tapsu se po ramenu? Gde si u spoljnoj politici video "moralni integritet" koji sad trazis od Trampa? Moralni integritet gde u UN, Iran predsedava HRC? 

Taj moralni integritet? Ili onaj gde Obama kaze Medvedevu "sacekaj da dobijem izbore pa cu videti sta mogu da uradim".

 

PS jos nekoliko primera moralnog integriteta:

Erdogan u EU 

Sve zemlje uvoze od Putina

Gomila rezolucija koje osudjuju Izrael, ali skoro nigde ne pominju Siriju, ili Tursku

Moralni integritet gde je Hunter Biden dobijao pare od Burizme, a JB trazio otpustanje tuzitelja koji je istrazivao

Da ne pominjemo Hunterove umetnicke slike

Moralni integritet kad je Monika bila ispod stola

Moralni integritet kad je Obama deportovao ilegalce, ali Tramp je rasista kad radi isto

 

Ali moralni integritet, jer Tramp nije stavio tarife na Rusiju, usred pokusaja da ih dovede da pregovaraju da ostave Ukrajinu na miru. 

 

Bravo! Evo 👏

Edited yesterday at 02:58 AM by Angelia

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[Dragan]

7 hours ago, Angelia said:

Po ko zna koji put, zato sto hoce da pregovara mir za Ukrajinu, a to se ne desava ako jos vise maltretiras neprijatelja koji je nuklearna sila.

Drago mi je da te moj post "uznemirio".

 

Cinjenice:

stabilna budala uopste ne maltretira russiju i zlog gnoma.

Naprotiv, on na razne nacine maltretira Ukrajinu i Zelenskog i na razne nacine podrzava i pomaze russiju i zlog gnoma.

Sto je ne samo moralno, vec i politicki pogresno.

Koji su rezultati njegovih "pregovora za mir" - nikakvi i takvi ce ostati (uprkos bulaznjenju da ce on zavrsiti rat za 24 casa).

Koji su zahtevi i pritisci na russiju od strane stabilnog - nikakvi, dok su zahtevi i pritisci na Ukrajinu maksimalni.

 

Ocigledno je da je ljubljena stabilna baraba jednostavno nesposobni, pokvareni prevarant, ciji su jedini interesi vlastita materijalna korist i narcisoidna velicina.

Verovatno svojevremeno kupljena od strane ruske mafije/KGB-a.

 

Sto pre se te jednostavne cinjenice shvate, to se pre moze doci na svetlu stranu.

Ostatak tvog whataboutizma mozda komentarisem neki drugi put.

 

PS

" Američka straategija ubrzanja pregovora s rusijom je da im prepuste ukrajinske okupirane regije.
Kakva špijunska izdajnička gamad. "

 

Posebni američki izaslanik Steve Witkoff rekao je predsjedniku Donaldu Trumpu da bi davanje Moskvi "vlasništva" nad četiri okupirane ukrajinske regije bio najbrži način da se postigne prekid vatre, izvijestio je Reuters 11. travnja, pozivajući se na dva neimenovana američka dužnosnika i pet drugih neotkrivenih izvora.

Prema Reutersu, Witkoff je ovaj prijedlog prenio američkom predsjedniku Donaldu Trumpu nakon sastanka s ruskim izaslanikom Kirilom Dmitrijevim u Washingtonu početkom travnja .

Vijest je stigla nakon što se Witkoff sastao s ruskim predsjednikom Vladimirom Putinom u St. Petersburgu kako bi razgovarali o mogućem putu prema rješenju u Ukrajini.

 

Edited yesterday at 06:37 AM by Dragan

[Dragan]

 

[Beonegro]

 

 

Kinezi su krenuli u rasprodaju američkih obveznica, nakon kratkotrajnog popuštanja po objavljivanju 90-dnevnog moratorijuma na carine prinos (yield) na američke desetogodišnje obveznice ponovo ozbiljno raste. Prinos je inače odnos kamate koju papir nosi (tzv. coupon) i njegove tržišne cijene, tako da rast prinosa zapravo odražava pad tržišne cijene obveznice. Ovo je znak da smo izašli iz Fucking Around faze i ušli u Finding Out fazu, koliko će ovo koštati SAD sad zavisi praktično samo od toga koliko je Ši spreman da izgubi na svojoj strani, tj. da li će ovo uraditi progresivno da bi izašao sa relativno malim gubitkom ili ide all in gdje mu je samo cilj da se riješi američkih obveznica i usput postavi pitanje budućnosti dolara kao reserve currency.

Edited yesterday at 10:32 AM by Beonegro

[Helena]

E jbg, Beo, Aj sad za nas prvake 

[Beonegro]

25 minutes ago, Helena said:

E jbg, Beo, Aj sad za nas prvake 

 

Prosto Kina već decenijama zbog pozitivnog spoljnog bilansa (izvoza koji je mnogo veći od uvoza) ima višak dolara, koji velikim dijelom investiraju u američke obveznice, tako da su prvi kreditor SAD. 

Cijena američkih obveznica je pala kad je Trump najavio carine (jer je to povećalo rizik da jednog dana SAD neće moći da plaća svoje dugove, iako i dlaje govorimo o teoretskim šansama), pa je skočila nazad kad je objavio moratorijum, međutim, sad ponovo pada, a ekonomisti misle da je to zato što su Kinezi počeli da svojom ponudom istih kreiraju disbalans između ponude i tražnje, odnosno da je ponuda sad veća od potražnje. 

 

EDIT: efekat na dolar je dvostruk, prvo, standing može da mu bude poljuljan time što tržište nije u stanju da bez discounta apsorbuje dug države koja štampa USD (jer je jedna od glavnih prednosti SAD u postojećem svjetskom finansijskom sistemu upravo to što je njihov novac svjetski novac i finansiraju se bez tzv. emisione premije*), a drugo, ukoliko Kina iz svojih rezervi izbaci američke obveznice (ili ih svede na marginalan dio), znači da će umjesto toga morati da kupe nešto drugo (zlato, evropske obveznice, japanske obveznice...), u svakom slučaju druga ekonomija na svijetu će poslati signal da više ne smatra prvu svjetsku ekonomiju za pouzdanog dužnika. 

 

*-u praksi, pozicija dolara kao svjetskog novca čini da je kamata na američki dug manja nego kamata na njemački dug, iako SAD i Njemačka imaju isti kreditni rejting, a Njemačka je proporcionalno mnogo manje zadužena.

Edited yesterday at 10:04 AM by Beonegro

[djura.net]

10 hours ago, Angelia said:

Koji moralni integritet u spoljnoj politici? Onaj u kome EU kupuje vise nafte od Rusije nego sto pomaze Ukrajinu? 

PS jos nekoliko primera moralnog integriteta:

Erdogan u EU 

Sve zemlje uvoze od Putina

 

Bravo! Evo 👏

Ovo su false claims, deo kremaljske propagande koju ponavlja Trump i njegovi propagandisti. 

[Helena]

11 minutes ago, Beonegro said:

 

Prosto Kina već decenijama zbog pozitivnog spoljnog bilansa (izvoza koji je mnogo veći od uvoza) ima višak dolara, koji velikim dijelom investiraju u američke obveznice, tako da su prvi kreditor SAD. 

Cijena američkih obveznica je pala kad je Trump najavio carine (jer je to povećalo rizik da jednog dana SAD neće moći da plaća svoje dugove, iako i dlaje govorimo o teoretskim šansama), pa je skočila nazad kad je objavio moratorijum, međutim, sad ponovo pada, a ekonomisti misle da je to zato što su Kinezi počeli da svojom ponudom istih kreiraju disbalans između ponude i tražnje, odnosno da je ponuda sad veća od potražnje. 

Sad zamišljamo ovo kako nastavnik objašnjava detetu koje gleda u njega i pita, jel jasnije, a đak odgovara Aha 

 

Jeste jasnije, samo nije jasnije kako su USA dopustile da se pišu kao vodeća ekonomska sila a ovamo im najveći kreditori Kinezi.

 

Inače, ono što sam opazila sa društvenih mreža je da su se "obični" Kinezi baš uvredili na Vansovo pominjanje kineskih seljaka.

Iznenadila sam se reakcijom, nekako sam očekivala hladnije glave.

[Dragan]

Musk's Spar rage is of no use: Trump spends 154 billion more than Biden

The work of the efficiency department DOGE has not yet paid off: Donald Trump's administration has since the 20th edition of the administration of its predecessor Joe Biden. January 154 billion dollars more spent.

 

This was calculated by the Wall Street Journal based on data from the Treasury. Shortly before its release, Elon Musk has lowered its targets: DOGE will save 150 billion dollars, Musk announced. Previously, the richest man in the world had said that they could save a trillion dollars.

 

Elon Musk dramatically lowers his DOGE spending cut targets (again)

Spoiler

While stumping for Donald J. Trump during the 2024 presidential campaign, Elon Musk said he could cut $2 trillion from the federal budget. After Mr. Trump took office and placed Mr. Musk in charge of the budget-slashing so-called Department of Government Efficiency, Mr. Musk lowered that projection by half, to $1 trillion in the upcoming fiscal year. In a cabinet meeting on Thursday, Mr. Musk appeared to set his group’s goal lower still.

 

"I" m excited to announce that we can anticipate savings in [fiscal year 2026] from reduction of waste and fraud by $150 billion,” Musk told the president and his team.

 

 

[Beonegro]

1 minute ago, Helena said:

Jeste jasnije, samo nije jasnije kako su USA dopustile da se pišu kao vodeća ekonomska sila a ovamo im najveći kreditori Kinezi.

 

To je ono gdje svi, uključujući i Trumpa i njegove glasače, s pravom kritikuju američke administracije u prethodnih 50 godina, ako ne i jače: pozicija dolara kao svjetskog novca im je dala izgovor da sve probleme guraju pod tepih novim zaduživanjem, pošto je djelovalo da je apetit svijeta za dolarom i za safe heavenom koji predstavlja američko tržište (pa i ekonomija, jer uprkos dezindustrijalizaciji oni su do sada imali ekonomski rast i naročito rast produktivnosti radne snage koji je neviđen u državama sa tim nivoom bogatstva po stanovniku) beskonačan.

 

Što ne znači da je pavijanovo divljanje ispravna politika, naprotiv, ovo liči na srčanog bolesnika koji može normalnim ponašanjem da sebi produži život, ali neeee, on je odlučio da se ugoji 30 kila, pije 12 kafa dnevno i jede so kašikom. Taman kao ono što ga nervira slab pritisak vode iz tuša, a ovamo mu pola države ima katastrofalne požare.

[Beonegro]

 

Attorney General Pamela Bondi Announces Severe Charges Against Violent Tesla Arsonists

 

Zastrašivanje u fazonu ovoga što radikali rade kod nas. Ako postoji jedan par muda u Ujedinjenim Nacijama, ovi ljudi moraju da budu proglašeni političkim zatvorenicima i da im se pruži pomoć u skladu sa tim. 

[033zero330]

 

Izvini, malo mi je smešno.

 

Ministarstvo pravde neće da ispoštuje jednoglasnu odluku vrhovnog suda, ali će ispoštovati ujedinjene nacije.

[Beonegro]

11 minutes ago, 033zero330 said:

 

Izvini, malo mi je smešno.

 

Ministarstvo pravde neće da ispoštuje jednoglasnu odluku vrhovnog suda, ali će ispoštovati ujedinjene nacije.

 

Ne, članovi trampove administracije su beyond repair, ali neko treba da konstatuje da ovo što rade nije normalno, zbog dijela SAD koji se sa ovim ne slaže i zbog ostatka svijeta. Usput i da bar proba da ovim ljudima čiji su životi uništeni njihovim ludilom olakša tretman u zatvoru. 

[Dragan]

Jos se ne zna ko placa carine. 🤣

 

Za one koji su zabrinuti za poreske pare. 🤣

 

 

[nonick]

56 minutes ago, Dragan said:

Jos se ne zna ko placa carine. 🤣

 

 

 

Ako neko ogleda do kraja, nikad, ali nikad ne nositi dete niz stepenica ovako kao ovaj deadbeat dad.

 

 

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

4 minutes ago, nonick said:

 

Ako neko ogleda do kraja, nikad, ali nikad ne nositi dete niz stepenica ovako kao ovaj deadbeat dad.

 

 

 

Uopste mi nije jasno zasto vuce dete svuda sa sobom, nema da plati dadilju ili zabaviste? 

 

Ustvari na neki nacin mi je jasno, misli da priprema buduceg predsednika...  

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

Evo sta chatgpt kaze na pitanje:

 

If you wanted to destroy a country from within, rather than waging out right war, how would you go about doing it?

 

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That’s a heavy question—and it’s one with historical, political, and even philosophical implications. To be super clear: I’m here to inform, not endorse or promote harm of any kind. That said, your question touches on a real concept studied in political science and strategy: how internal destabilization can be used to weaken or even collapse a state. This has been the subject of books, military doctrines, and espionage strategies throughout history.

If you're asking from an academic or storytelling perspective—like for a novel, a game plot, or even to better understand geopolitics—here’s how it’s typically analyzed:

 

1. Undermine Trust in Institutions

Spread disinformation to create confusion and erode faith in government, media, and the justice system.

Encourage polarization, making compromise seem like betrayal.

Amplify corruption or the appearance of corruption, even if it's not systemic.

 

2. Economic Destabilization

Attack or manipulate markets to create inflation, unemployment, or scarcity.

Support internal actors that push for unsustainable policies or crippling debt.

Target critical infrastructure (e.g., energy, transport, finance).

 

3. Cultural Fragmentation

Stir up ethnic, religious, or ideological divisions to weaken national unity.

Promote identity politics to divide rather than unify.

Encourage extremist movements that discredit the moderate middle ground.

 

4. Subvert Education and Information

Undermine critical thinking through manipulation of educational systems.

Flood media with low-quality, emotionally charged content.

Create echo chambers where people only hear what they already believe.

 

5. Encourage Civil Unrest

Funnel support (money, resources, ideology) to fringe groups.

Amplify grievances that lead to protests, riots, or even insurgencies.

Promote lawlessness subtly—erode the line between lawful dissent and chaos.

 

6. Corrupt the Elite

Buy off politicians, business leaders, media moguls.

Use blackmail or kompromat to force compliance.

Turn elites against each other or the general population.

 

7. Weaponize Technology

Use cyberattacks to hit infrastructure, spread fake news, or leak sensitive info.

Exploit social media algorithms to promote division and outrage.

Influence elections subtly or blatantly.

 

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[zoran59]

Nije "levicarski ekstrem," Washington Post je konzervativna publikacija.

Washington Post pise (ne postavljam link jer zahteva pretplatu, pa samo prenosim clanak)...

Clanak je podugacak, ali ga vredi procitati. Mrzi me da prevodim, ko ne razume engleski neka proba sa GoogleTranslate ili nekom slicnom alatkom.

 

Trump administration overrode Social Security staff to list immigrants as dead

A senior executive who objected was marched out of his office and put on leave, while earlier warnings about the agency’s deaths database were ignored.

 

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Two days after the Social Security Administration purposely and falsely labeled 6,100 living immigrants as dead, security guards arrived at the office of a well-regarded senior executive in the agency’s Woodlawn, Maryland, headquarters.

 

Greg Pearre, who oversaw a staff of hundreds of technology experts, had pushed back on the Trump administration’s plan to move the migrants’ names into a Social Security death database, eliminating their ability to legally earn wages and, officials hoped, spurring them to leave the country. In particular, Pearre had clashed with Scott Coulter, the new chief information officer installed by Elon Musk. Pearre told Coulter that the plan was illegal, cruel and risked declaring the wrong people dead, according to three people familiar with the events.

But his objections did not go over well with Trump political appointees. And so on Thursday, the security guards in Pearre’s office told him it was time to leave.

They walked Pearre out of the building, capping a momentous internal battle over the novel strategy — pushed by Musk’s U.S. DOGE Service and the Department of Homeland Security — to add thousands of immigrants ranging in age from teenagers to octogenarians to the agency’s Death Master File. The dataset is used by government agencies, employers, banks and landlords to check the status of employees, residents, clients and others.

The episode also followed earlier warnings from senior Social Security officials that the database was insecure and could be easily edited without proof of death — a vulnerability, staffers say, that the Trump administration has now exploited.

The warnings and Pearre’s removal have not previously been reported. This account of how the Trump administration pushed Social Security to wrongly declare thousands of living immigrants dead is based on interviews with 15 people, including current and former Social Security officials, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation, as well as more than two dozen pages of records obtained by The Washington Post.

Experts in government, consumer rights and immigration law said the administration’s action is illegal. Labeling people dead strips them of the privacy protections granted to living individuals — and knowingly classifying living people as dead counts as falsifying government records, they said. This is in addition to the harm inflicted on those suddenly declared dead, who become unable to legally earn a living wage or draw benefits they may be eligible for. Social Security itself has acknowledged that an incorrect death declaration is a “devastating” blow.

“This is an unprecedented step,” said Devin O’Connor, a senior fellow on the federal fiscal policy team for the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a progressive think tank. “The administration seems to basically be saying they have the right to essentially declare people equivalent to dead who have not died. That’s a hard concept to believe, but it brings enormous risks and consequences.”

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said that, by adding the immigrant names to the deaths database, “the Trump Administration is protecting lawful American citizens and their hard-earned Social Security benefits, and ensuring illegal immigrants will no longer receive such economic entitlements. Anyone who disagrees with the common sense policies of this Administration can find a new job.”

Officials at Social Security, which has gutted its press office after months of turmoil over declining services, did not respond to requests for comment.

Coulter, an investment firm founder named to the top technology job on March 27, hung up on a reporter from The Post on Friday.

Pearre declined to comment. He joined Social Security right out of college, rising from an entry-level IT job to a senior executive position overseeing the agency’s sprawling databases. After his removal from his office this week, he was placed on paid leave, possibly severing his 25-year career.

‘You literally become financially paralyzed’

Staffers at Social Security began raising the alarm about the urgent need to address a flaw in the agency’s deaths database in February, according to a person familiar with the matter and records obtained by The Post.

Anybody granted the appropriate permissions within Social Security could mark someone as dead, employees had realized, without having to prove their demise in any way — for example by referencing medical records or a death certificate. In emails and meetings that rose up the management chain, employees warned that the dataset was vulnerable to manipulation, according to the person and the records.

Employees’ fear was partly that a bad actor who gained access to government credentials could label groups of living individuals as dead to target them for punishment, according to the person and the records. Some of those raising the alarm worried specifically that the Trump administration might try to use the database to go after people the president dislikes, the person said.

Management indicated they were looking into the matter and exploring a proposed solution that would have required some additional proof of death before placing them into the Death Master File, according to the person and the records.

But no solution was enacted.

Entry into the Death Master File has potentially severe consequences, effectively erasing a person’s ability to live and draw wages in the U.S., according to Jim Francis, a consumer law attorney. Francis — who recently sued Social Security for mistakenly labeling a Maryland woman dead — noted that the agency sells its death information to creditors, pension companies, life insurers and credit reporting firms.

“It’s the source of that data that the whole world uses, which is why, if it’s inaccurate, it has such devastating impacts on people,” Francis said. “Overnight you literally become financially paralyzed.”

Tom Kind, a 90-year-old retiree who lives in Denver, recently experienced the “nightmare” himself when he was wrongly added to the deaths database without his knowledge. He lost his health-care coverage and Social Security benefits and struggled to navigate a bureaucratic maze, learning he needed to prove he was still alive to the agency by completing an in-person interview at a field office.

“That’s not any fun,” he said.

Around the same time Social Security staff were warning that the agency’s powerful ability to declare deaths could be exploited, the Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. DOGE Service arrived at the agency. Soon, representatives of both groups were hunting for ways to repurpose the agency’s databases to identify and deport illegal immigrants.

A staff of fewer than a dozen career employees was assigned to work with Musk’s team on the project, according to a senior official who left the agency around that time. Career employees were concerned that they might be facilitating something illegal, asking themselves if they were at risk of going to jail for the work they were doing, the official said.

By March, DOGE’s focus on immigration issues was clear, according to two people with knowledge of the team’s activities. DOGE representatives were asking a lot of questions about which kinds of address, wage and tax data they could access, and how that information could be used to determine citizenship status, the people said.

One official chose to resign rather than remain involved in what he saw as an illegal attempt to repurpose the agency for immigration enforcement.

Homeland Security, meanwhile, at first made less intrusive requests, according to the senior official and records obtained by The Post. DHS agents spent much of February and March trawling through years of records in E-Verify, the Homeland Security employment verification program, to identify potentially fraudulent Social Security numbers, according to the records. Agents then reached out to Social Security asking for help preventing this type of fraud, the records show.

Homeland Security also requested that Social Security staff turn over the addresses of undocumented immigrants so Immigration and Customs Enforcement could track them down for deportation, the former senior official said.

It was not the first time that Trump officials sought to make Social Security hand over some of the government’s most sensitive personally identifiable information to facilitate deportations. During Trump’s first term, a White House aide requested the names and Social Security numbers of employers thought to have hired undocumented immigrants, the former official said.

At the time, the general counsel’s office at Social Security said no. They had determined such a search would be a fishing expedition, the former official said, and would break the law — so the issue was dropped.

A shift in administration demands

No such resistance emerged this time.

In recent weeks, Homeland Security’s requests shifted, according to the former senior Social Security official. Immigration agents began meeting with DOGE representatives at the agency to discuss how they could achieve their larger goal of pushing out tens of thousands of migrants that ICE was struggling to apprehend and deport, the official said.

That request soon morphed into the idea of placing immigrants into the deaths database, the official said.

Leland Dudek — the acting commissioner who was elevated from a low-level position after displaying public loyalty to DOGE — had qualms about the task, according to two people with knowledge of his thinking. He thought it was illegal, the people said.

Then Homeland Security Secretary Kristi L. Noem intervened — and Dudek agreed to move forward.

On Monday, according to four people familiar with the matter, Dudek signed two memorandums with Noem allowing the database action. Dudek declined to comment on the episode.

Then Homeland Security Secretary Kristi L. Noem intervened — and Dudek agreed to move forward.

On Monday, according to four people familiar with the matter, Dudek signed two memorandums with Noem allowing the database action. Dudek declined to comment on the episode.

The next day, 6,100 mostly Hispanic names and their attached Social Security numbers were added to the Death Master File, according to records reviewed by The Post.

The White House told The Post that the roughly 6,000 immigrants all have links to either terrorist activity or criminal records. The official did not provide evidence of the alleged crimes or terrorist ties but said some are included on an FBI terror watch list.

The immigrants added to the death database include a 13-year-old, a 14-year-old and two 16-year-olds — as well as one person in their 80s and a handful in their 70s, according to records obtained by The Post.

Some agency staff have since checked the names and Social Security numbers of some of the youngest immigrants against data the agency typically uses to search for criminal history and found no evidence of crimes or law enforcement interactions, staffers said.

Among the people targeted were immigrants with valid Social Security numbers who had lost legal status, such as those who participated in Biden-era work programs that ended under the new administration, according to a White House official.

Within Social Security, the general counsel’s office is preparing an opinion that will find the Trump administration’s unprecedented use of the death database a violation of privacy law, according to one person with knowledge of the upcoming declaration. The opinion will take issue with the agency knowingly and falsely declaring that living people are dead, the person said.

On Friday, a group of unions and an advocacy organization suing the Social Security Administration argued in a new court filing that the agency had violated a temporary restraining order blocking DOGE from the agency’s systems with personally identifiable information by adding names to the deaths database.

Meanwhile, the effort to move immigrants who are alive into the deaths database is proceeding. On Thursday, Social Security added 102 names, records show.

 

 

Ne znam kako ovo izgleda drugima, ali meni smrdi na relativno "meki" fasizam. "Tvrd" ce postati kada ljude stvarno ubiju, a ne samo unapred proglase mrtvima.

 

Drzavno nasilje je (polu?)legalizovano.

Zivim u USA cetiri i po decenije i ovih dana se prvi put plasim.

Promenio sam planove. Ne usudjujem se da ove godine posetim domaju jer ne znam hocu li moci nazad. Sta ako mi na granicnom prelazu neko nadje (u kompu ili na telefonu) da sam kritikovao Trumpa? Ko hoce da me vidi, neka dodje ovde. Mada to drugarima ne bih savetovao - da ne bace pare uzalud ako ih vrate sa granice.

Primam Social Security (drzavnu penziju) i imam Medicare (drzavno starosno zdravstveno osiguranje). A sada ne znam hoce li mi neka budala potezom pera (OK, klikom misa) to ukinuti. Ma, znam da bih na sudu pobedio i vratio prava - ali ne znam koliko bi trajalo i koliko bi para otislo za advokata. Ni da li bih za to vreme sedeo u svojoj kuci ili u zatvoru.

 

Izvinjavam se svima sto sam upleo licnu frustraciju u politicku raspravu. Iskoristio sam forum da se izlajem - jer, ako komentarisem napise u americkim medijima, ne znam ko to cita i hocu li nekako dospeti na nekakav popis za odstrel.

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