Angelia

Potvrda conspiracy theory je naci kolegu koji misli isto Samo se vi zabavljajte, ne bih vam smetala sa necim takvim kao sto je zdrav razum.

To bas i nema smisla, jer onda pricamo o kradji, ili jos gore nacionalizaciji. Ali mislim da bi tako nesto bilo svuda po medijima.

Ti ozbiljno mislis da ce Tramp da proba oruzanom pobunom da obori americki ustav? On i koja vojska? nadam se da se salis.

Bez sirenja neosnovane paranoje, ili cemo da opet zamisljamo kako se uhvatio za nogu Resolute stola u Ovalnoj sobi a Pelosi ga vuce za nogu?

Pa da, zar onda ne bi trebalo da popusti lockdown dve nedelje kasnije od Italije? Iako sam ja vise gledala Spaniju kao model. NYC je peak presao pre nedelju dana. Ili da barem sacekaju do tada i vide kakvo je stanje da odluce.

Ja kad pogledam sve US vesti, imam osecaj ko da sam u kafani. Jedan vice daj turu ovde, drugi se nateze sa oce lockdown, nece lockdown, a neko se popeo na sto i zapevao.... NY i DC produzili lockdown do 15tog maja - nemam pojma zasto, vidoviti ljudi da se stanje nece popraviti do kraja meseca. Iowa, i jos neke najavljuju ukidanje stay at home na kraju meseca. U floridi otvaraju plaze. South Dakota levi protestuju da se uvede lockdown (iako tamo i nema nekog zarista, osim ako krave nisu dobile virus), guvernerka ostro odbija. U par drzava desni protestuju da se ukine lockdown. Interesatna vremena.

WTH?!?!

Za kintom? Kazem ja da niko ne cita demanti. Razlikuj delovanje ka nekom spolja, od delovanja na svojim gradjanima.

Ja pitah cime tamo prskaju

Hmmm mozda sto ih zabole ko je "sef"? Jer taj sef ima jako ogranicene funkcije, i to se zna....proveri na googlu koliko amera zna ko im je trenutni predsednik. Da li vi uopste kontate da koliko god Tramp tripuje da je Vucic, on to nije? nemam ja problem s time, ali samo kaze da ste jednako delusional kao i on.

Ti ne kontas da ljudi u US koliko god bili solidarni, i generalno odgovorni, ovo vide kao represiju? Sta mislis zasto ovde policijski cas ne bi nikad pio vodu? Dok ljudi u SR opravdavaju policijski cas kao meru da "utera krdo" u main stream. bliiip, bliiip, 010110 Nedovoljno informacija. Kad budemo imali vise informacija, bolje cemo predvidjati.

Ali tebi nije kriva WHO nego smo kao Baba Vange trebali da znamo. How, yes, no. Tramp je kriv, ali je isto kriv kad napadne WHO. Nije on supermen ali je trebao da bude. Evropa postala zariste ali je cekala na Trampa, i CIA da bude leader... Aj se barem dogovorite, ili je Tramp leader of the free world, ili je clown Edit: ja recimo ne ocekujem ni jedno ni drugo Dok traje ovo stanje, kad prodje, videcemo, nedovoljno informaciaj za sada

Foreclosures su inace zabranjene. tako da sve nakon tvoje prve recenice pada u vodu, iako se ocekuje default na hipotekama oko 30%.

Ahh nista od mog citanje knjige, i spavanja kad ste svi budni pa evo: Bold 1: Ako smatras da je postojanje WHO i njihov kredibilitet u pitanju, sto ih koj djavo imamo? A znas ko placa najvise za njih. Isto kao sto nemoj da se lazemo da su Avganistan i Irak bili nista drugo do strateska odluka. Bold 2: Trampu i svima ostalima, pa sto bi njega izvlacili kao primer? Svi su mislili da je jos jedna bespotrebna panika kao u slucaju SARS-a, i ja ih totalno razumem. Bold 3: Za vreme lockdown u Wuhanu, svi su mislili pa Kina, ja ne pisem o random Ameru, mislim budimo realni - znamo kako je prica pocela, mozemo sad optuzivati sve redom kako nisu reagovali, ali ljudi reaguju u odredjenom trenutku na osnovu dostupnih informacija. Ja sam u odredjenom trenutku mislila ah jos jedan SARS, pa sam onda mislila "hmmm ne izgleda dobro, aj za svaki slucaj..." ali ja nisam na politickoj funkciji, nemoram da objasnjavam postupke gradjanima. Pa da si meni rekao dve nedelje ranije da ces da me stavis u kucni pritvor, bez dovoljno podataka, zato sto ti neki spijun rekao, ja bi licno dosla da te lupim cekicem po glavi, na stranu sto i dalje mislim da smo u kucni pritvor stavljeni dve nedelje ranije, tada u tom trenutku, nisi imao sanse da mi objasnis zasto to ima smisla. Znaci nemoj da se pravimo pametni nakon cinjenica. To je najlakse, sad smo svi videli kako je trebalo reagovati ranije. A vi se u SR jos borite sa ljudima koji okrenu prase na Fruskoj Gori. Sad je problem sto Tramp nije reagovao ranije. Stvarno? Da se vratim na tvoj bold 1. Ko ozbiljno shvata sta god Tramp kaze? A ako je Tramp takava debil, gde su svi pametni ljudi koji nisu reagovali na vreme? Nije jos gore Kazi u US da je nesto free i odmah imas red od dve milje redneckova.

Prvi paragraf vec odgovorila Baby, izgubice na nezaposlenima, dobice na investitorima. Zadnja recenica, to sto si video nije kupovanje hrane, nego besplatna hrana. Food bank.

Zahtevas bolji odgovor nego sto sam spremna da pisem u sitne sate tako da ostavicu vecinu za sutra. Medjutim ovde mozes jednu drzavu da izvuces kao adekvatan odgovor (sa trenutnim informacijama) a to je Nemacka. i to sto ces da izvuces neki izuzetak koji je bacio dovoljno para na problem, ili ima specificnu situaciju, nece resiti da je aj sad lupam cifru, 90% Evrope takoreci disaster zone. Kazem takoreci jer smrtnost i broj obolelih ne smatram tako katastroficnim kao sto se predstavlja. I da me neko neko ne skonta pogresno, moja cela familija sa zdravstvenim stanjem, ako bi nas zakacio virus bi mogla da se oduva kao shaka pepela. Znaci ne govorim to olako.

Nisam razumela sta nema sanse da se desi. Ako si mislila na nekretnine, cene ce pasti naravno, kao sto sam rekla zbog toga sto se smanjuje potraznja usled gubitka posla. Medjutim s druge strane ce porasti potraznja investitora, koji su prosli kroz ovo bez nekog znacajnog gubitka kapitala, a neki bogami i zaradili. Trenutna procena banaka je izmedju 5-10% pad u cenama. To nece znacajno uticati na agente. Nije to isto kao 2008, ono je bio real estate bubble - ovo je pa visa sila. Ne vidis sada da je neka velika banka kolapsirala (ne znaci da ne moze da se desi), zato sto nema dovoljno kapitala? to je zato sto su ih naterali nakon 2008 da drze leverage pod kontrolom. Svi znaju da ovo nije do trzista, nego "vestacka" kriza, koja naravno treba da se predje, ali isto kao sto ti ja analiziram, tako ce i vecina investitora, pre ili kasnije triste ce da se vrati, i sve sto je izgubilo nadoknadi. Ukljucujuci Wall st. Promenice se naravno. Kao sto rekoh, nisam siguran da je timeline tacan, nisam proveravala, samo sam rekla da ako jeste to je kriminalno i od Kine i od WHO. Mene realno ne interesuje da li su informativne sluzbe propustile nesto, cak i da jesu ti podaci im ne bi mnogo znacili. Zato sto njihove izvestaje ne mozes prezentovati prosecnom gradjaninu a da oni shvate to kao realnu stvar. Znaci u trenutku kad Tramp uvodi ban na letove iz Kine, javnost ga optuzuje za rasizam i xenofobiju. Sta bi ti rekao na to? Ah pa CIA nam rekla, juuuhuuu, srecno s time, kad ti WHO govori da to i nije big deal mozda novi SARS, sve ce proci za nedelju dve, Kina ima to pod kontrolom Ja i dalje verujem da su ovi lockdown, preterani, i politicki motivisani. Sve vreme se pitam da li smo platili previsoku cenu za paniku. Medjutim, da se ne bi hvatao za ovo, to je nebitno. Da su informacije iz Kine bile transparetne, da je WHO rekao "e ljudi ovo nije SARS, suvise brzo se siri, blokiraj ulazak iz Kine, spremi se za pandemiju" mozda bi reakcija mnogih drzava bila drugacija, mozda bi se spremali sa opremanjem zdravstva. A ne bukvalno sto bi rekli ovde, da ostanu zateceni sa pants down. Ti kad pricas o berzi, i dealu sa Kinom, to ocigledno pricas o Trampu. Gde su sve obavestajne sluzbe sveta koje su ostale zatecene? Pogledaj sta je uradilo Evropi. Niko, bas niko od njih nije gledao u Kinu? Svi su cekali na CIA i Trampa?

Dok su oni pricali da Kina radi odlican posao i trazili da se ne uvode zabrane za Kinu, virus putovao sa Kinezima u Evropu i US. Ne znam da li je ovo bas tacno, izvor nije bas najsrecniji ali ako jeste neko tamo treba da odgovara za ovo: December 31 – China first reports a cluster of unusual pneumonia cases in Wuhan to the WHO January 4 – WHO tweets about ‘a cluster of pneumonia cases’ in Wuhan with no deaths, saying investigations into the cause are underway January 5 – The WHO issues its first guidance on ‘pneumonia of unknown cause’, saying there are a total of 44 patients and 11 in severe condition. The main symptom is listed as fever, with ‘a few patients having difficulty breathing’ The WHO says there is ‘no evidence of human-to-human transmission’ and that ‘no health care worker infections have been reported’ January 7 – China says it has identified the cause of the pneumonia as a ‘novel coronavirus’, initially named 2019-nCoV by the WHO January 9 – The WHO praises China for identifying the new virus ‘in a short space of time’ and repeats its assessment that the virus ‘does not transmit readily between people’. It also advises against travel or trade restrictions on China January 13 – The WHO says it is now working with authorities in Thailand after reports of a case there, and may call a meeting of the Emergency Committee January 14 – The WHO tweets saying there is ‘no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission in China’, though later clarifies and says there may have been limited transmission via family members Jan 20-21 - WHO's field team in China conducts a brief field visit to epicentre Wuhan Jan 21 – The first case is confirmed on US soil in Washington, in a person who had travelled from China a week before Jan 22 – A report from the WHO team sent to Wuhan notes ‘human-to-human’ transmission is taking place, but says more research is needed to assess ‘the full extent’. The report notes confirmed infections in 16 medics, a clear sign of transmission from patients The team recommends avoiding large gatherings, isolating infected people, and a focus on washing hands as the best way to combat the virus’s spread The same day, that WHO Emergency Committee convenes for the first time. Afterwards, Dr Tedros says he has spoken with the Chinese Minister for Health, and praises the government for its ‘invaluable’ efforts to halt the virus. He calls a second meeting for the following day Jan 23 – With the Emergency Committee split, Dr Tedros says he has decided not to declare the virus a public health emergency of international concern. Referencing the lockdown of Wuhan, which was announced the same day, he says he hopes ‘it will be effective and short in duration’. He praises China’s ‘cooperation and transparency’ in tackling the virus Dr Tedros says there is limited evidence of human-to-human transmission, mostly among families or doctors treating the virus. At this point, there are 584 confirmed cases and 17 deaths globally, including in Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, Thailand and the US He recommends screening at airports and tells countries to put testing facilities in place, but stops short of recommending a travel ban Jan 28 – Dr Tedros and other senior WHO officials meet Xi Jinping in China, agreeing that a panel of experts should be sent to monitor the outbreak. He praises ‘the seriousness with which China is taking this outbreak, especially the commitment from top leadership and the transparency they have demonstrated’ Jan 29 – Dr Tedros gives a speech praising China’s efforts to contain the virus, saying the country ‘deserves our gratitude and respect’ for locking down swathes of the country to prevent the spread. He notes a few cases of human-to-human spread outside China, which he says ‘is of grave concern’ and will be monitored closely Jan 30 – The WHO Emergency Committee reconvenes early and declares a public health emergency of international concern. It comes after confirmed cases of human-to-human transmission in Germany, Japan, Vietnam and the US Dr Tedros again praises China for ‘setting a new standard for outbreak response’ with its lockdowns, and says the small number of cases outside the country – 98 – is ‘thanks to their efforts’ Despite noting that a majority of cases outside China have a history of travel to or from Wuhan, he again recommends no measures to curb international travel or trade Jan 31 – Donald Trump announces travel restrictions on people coming from China Feb 3 – Dr Tedros gives a speech to the WHO updating on coronavirus, saying there are 17,238 cases in China and 361 deaths – now thought to be an under-estimate He praises Xi Jinping for his individual leadership, and insists that cases outside China ‘can be managed’ if world authorities work together and follow recommendations which include – no ban on travel or trade, supporting countries with weak health systems, investment in vaccines and diagnosis, combating disinformation and urgent reviews of emergency preparedness Feb 7 – Dr Li Wenliang, a doctor who first reported the existence of coronavirus and was initially silenced by China, dies from the virus Feb 10 – The WHO’s team of experts arrives in China to assist with the outbreak Feb 11 – The WHO names the disease caused by the virus COVID-19, saying it avoided including a geographical name because it risks ‘stigmatizing’ people. It says it will not be using the name SARS-CoV-2 because it risks causing ‘unnecessary fear’ by linking it to the 2003 SARS outbreak Feb 12 – Dr Tedros says the number of new cases being reported in China has ‘stabilised’ but adds that it must be ‘interpreted with extreme caution’ and the outbreak ‘could still go in any direction’ Feb 16-24 – WHO team of experts convenes in China, visiting affected sites and sharing information on the best ways to tackle the crisis Feb 17 – Dr Tedros begins chairing daily updates on the coronavirus response, with each briefing beginning with an update on the number of infections including from China, which are repeated without caveats He give an analysis of Chinese data on some 44,000 confirmed cases. He says the data shows that 80 per cent of cases are mild, 14 per cent lead to severe disease, and 2 per cent are fatal. The disease is more severe in older people, with the young largely spared. He urges world leaders not to ‘squander’ a window of opportunity to get ahead of the virus and prevent it from spreading Feb 26 – Donald Trump announces a dedicated coronavirus response team, which Mike Pence will lead Feb 28 – The team of WHO experts delivers its first report on the coronavirus. Among its major findings are that the disease likely came from bats, that it is spread through close contact with infected people and not through the air, and that most common symptoms include fever, dry cough and fatigue The report praises China’s response as ‘perhaps the most ambitious, agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history’ saying lockdowns were achieved ‘due to the deep commitment of the Chinese people to collective action’ and had achieved a rapid decline in cases Mar 9 - The whole of Italy is placed on lockdown as the virus spreads, the first European nation to enter total lockdown Mar 11 - The WHO declares coronavirus a pandemic, meaning it is spreading out of control in multiple locations around the world. At this point, cases have been reported in more than 100 countries

Oni su isli tamo kao da proveravaju i rekli nema brige Kina radi odlican posao.

Ima trenutno dosta nepoznatih da bi se tacno znalo sta se desava, jedna od najvecih je da li imamo vakcinu ili ne, i lek. Recesija nam ne gine za naredne dve godine. Uz to pitanje se postavlja kako ce i otvaranje ici. Ako sledeci talas bude jako visok to totalno menja rezultate, zato sto ce dosta ljudi promeniti ponasanje. Postavlja se pitanje da li je Svedska u stvari donela pravu odluku. Iako ni njih nece zaobici posledice.

Izgleda ad se radi o gresci.

Gresis, aj sad verovatno povratak na pre korone ce samo biti duzi. Vec sad gledamo u oko 2 godine da se popravi steta. Sto ne znaci da se neki stvari nece trajno promeniti.

Ma oni su totalni haos sa brojevima od pocetka, te broje, te ne broje one, pa dodaju. Ali ovo je ozbiljna cifra, ne vidim neke ozbiljne promene u testiranju.

Dobro da ne bi izvlacili sad primere koje mogu i koji ne mogu da nadoknade, znamo da ce prevoznici i turizam, i ugostiteljstvo platiti cenu. Vec sam ti rekla nije cela ekonomija usluzna delatnost i proizvodnja. Kad se prica o nadoknadjivanju prica se o prometu ako cemo tako, a veoma cesto i izgubljenom vremenu. Zavisi od industrije birace se nacin na koji ce to da se nadoknadi. Ako imas jednog developera koji mora da izgradi stanove za koje je uzeo pare, do avgusta, on ce da ima duple smene gradjevinaca da bi to postigao. Ako imas bankara koji je loan officer morace da nadje dovoljno hipoteka i zajmova da nadoknadi koliko mora da ima obrta (sad pricala sa prijateljem koji upravo to radi, i zauzeti su sad sa ovim federalnim programom, ali hipoteka nema).

Rekla sam raditi duplo, da li ce prodati duplo, zavisi, ali ce zatvoriti vise transakcija nego normalno. Sve ovo sto nije moglo da se zatvori dok smo u lockdownu. To naravno zavisi i od toga koliko ce se ljudi vratiti na poslove, posto jel da gubitak posla znaci da neces mozda moci da kupis kucu koju si planirao. Ali i cene ce pasti, pa cemo videti. Ali radice duplo sigurno, jer oni zive od provizije a ne plate.