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Otvoreno pismo koje je uzrokovalo napade na neke potpisnike (iako se ne slazem sa politizacijom oko Trampa, u svakom slucaju u pismu objasnjava mnogo stosta sto sam ja pricala za slobodu govora tokom godina): A Letter on Justice and Open Debate Adjust Share July 7, 2020 The below letter will be appearing in the Letters section of the magazine’s October issue. We welcome responses at [email protected] Our cultural institutions are facing a moment of trial. Powerful protests for racial and social justice are leading to overdue demands for police reform, along with wider calls for greater equality and inclusion across our society, not least in higher education, journalism, philanthropy, and the arts. But this needed reckoning has also intensified a new set of moral attitudes and political commitments that tend to weaken our norms of open debate and toleration of differences in favor of ideological conformity. As we applaud the first development, we also raise our voices against the second. The forces of illiberalism are gaining strength throughout the world and have a powerful ally in Donald Trump, who represents a real threat to democracy. But resistance must not be allowed to harden into its own brand of dogma or coercion—which right-wing demagogues are already exploiting. The democratic inclusion we want can be achieved only if we speak out against the intolerant climate that has set in on all sides. The free exchange of information and ideas, the lifeblood of a liberal society, is daily becoming more constricted. While we have come to expect this on the radical right, censoriousness is also spreading more widely in our culture: an intolerance of opposing views, a vogue for public shaming and ostracism, and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in a blinding moral certainty. We uphold the value of robust and even caustic counter-speech from all quarters. But it is now all too common to hear calls for swift and severe retribution in response to perceived transgressions of speech and thought. More troubling still, institutional leaders, in a spirit of panicked damage control, are delivering hasty and disproportionate punishments instead of considered reforms. Editors are fired for running controversial pieces; books are withdrawn for alleged inauthenticity; journalists are barred from writing on certain topics; professors are investigated for quoting works of literature in class; a researcher is fired for circulating a peer-reviewed academic study; and the heads of organizations are ousted for what are sometimes just clumsy mistakes. Whatever the arguments around each particular incident, the result has been to steadily narrow the boundaries of what can be said without the threat of reprisal. We are already paying the price in greater risk aversion among writers, artists, and journalists who fear for their livelihoods if they depart from the consensus, or even lack sufficient zeal in agreement. This stifling atmosphere will ultimately harm the most vital causes of our time. The restriction of debate, whether by a repressive government or an intolerant society, invariably hurts those who lack power and makes everyone less capable of democratic participation. The way to defeat bad ideas is by exposure, argument, and persuasion, not by trying to silence or wish them away. We refuse any false choice between justice and freedom, which cannot exist without each other. As writers we need a culture that leaves us room for experimentation, risk taking, and even mistakes. We need to preserve the possibility of good-faith disagreement without dire professional consequences. If we won’t defend the very thing on which our work depends, we shouldn’t expect the public or the state to defend it for us. Elliot Ackerman Saladin Ambar, Rutgers University Martin Amis Anne Applebaum Marie Arana, author Margaret Atwood John Banville Mia Bay, historian Louis Begley, writer Roger Berkowitz, Bard College Paul Berman, writer Sheri Berman, Barnard College Reginald Dwayne Betts, poet Neil Blair, agent David W. Blight, Yale University Jennifer Finney Boylan, author David Bromwich David Brooks, columnist Ian Buruma, Bard College Lea Carpenter Noam Chomsky, MIT (emeritus) Nicholas A. Christakis, Yale University Roger Cohen, writer Ambassador Frances D. Cook, ret. Drucilla Cornell, Founder, uBuntu Project Kamel Daoud Meghan Daum, writer Gerald Early, Washington University-St. Louis Jeffrey Eugenides, writer Dexter Filkins Federico Finchelstein, The New School Caitlin Flanagan Richard T. Ford, Stanford Law School Kmele Foster David Frum, journalist Francis Fukuyama, Stanford University Atul Gawande, Harvard University Todd Gitlin, Columbia University Kim Ghattas Malcolm Gladwell Michelle Goldberg, columnist Rebecca Goldstein, writer Anthony Grafton, Princeton University David Greenberg, Rutgers University Linda Greenhouse Rinne B. Groff, playwright Sarah Haider, activist Jonathan Haidt, NYU-Stern Roya Hakakian, writer Shadi Hamid, Brookings Institution Jeet Heer, The Nation Katie Herzog, podcast host Susannah Heschel, Dartmouth College Adam Hochschild, author Arlie Russell Hochschild, author Eva Hoffman, writer Coleman Hughes, writer/Manhattan Institute Hussein Ibish, Arab Gulf States Institute Michael Ignatieff Zaid Jilani, journalist Bill T. Jones, New York Live Arts Wendy Kaminer, writer Matthew Karp, Princeton University Garry Kasparov, Renew Democracy Initiative Daniel Kehlmann, writer Randall Kennedy Khaled Khalifa, writer Parag Khanna, author Laura Kipnis, Northwestern University Frances Kissling, Center for Health, Ethics, Social Policy Enrique Krauze, historian Anthony Kronman, Yale University Joy Ladin, Yeshiva University Nicholas Lemann, Columbia University Mark Lilla, Columbia University Susie Linfield, New York University Damon Linker, writer Dahlia Lithwick, Slate Steven Lukes, New York University John R. MacArthur, publisher, writer

Komplet sam shokirana, kazu nije u redu napadati fizicki mirne protestante i kontramitingovanje: 'Last night our community witnessed -- and many of our residents experienced -- physical violence and intimidation by counter protesters during a Black Lives Matter protest at City Hall,' Boise Mayor Lauren McLean said in a statement. 'I condemn those who showed up in our community under the guise of 'protection' and instead intimidated, shouted epithets and white nationalist slogans, and in some cases physically assaulted protesters. There is no room for this in our city.' Double standard, anyone?

Znaci nije patern ponasanja. Za njih ocigledno ne smatras da im je "vlast zveknula u glavu". Ali si moderaciji podmetnula patern ponasanja ljudi na vlasti koje smatras "bilmezima". Generalisanje i podmetanje, adekvatno bi bilo izvinjenje moderaciji za insinuaciju, ali ok nije da ocekujem da priznas gresku.

Ne postoji opcija da ja znam. Nemam pojma zasto zakljucujes da sam reagovala na Trampa koji se pominje. Mogla si da stavis neko drugo koje bi imalo isto znacenje. Posto nisi stavila Obamu, makrona, ili Merkel.....jasno je sta si htela da kazes. Reagujem na ono sto podmeces moderaciji, onako lepo umotano. Kao sto sad meni podmeces da se licno vredjam na pominjanje Trampa

WOW! Onako, samo usput kazes, udarila vam moc u glavu, ali se to uopste ne odnosi na moderatore Vucic, tramp....sta ti uopste insinuiras ovde? Pitanje je retoricko posto vidim sta insinuiras, samo se pitam da li to i sebi priznajes.

Pa nema tu zajebavanja drzave, mislim da nisi skontao o cemu pricamo. Posto nisi objasnio na sta mislis pa da ti odgovor na specificnu stvar moram na par: - Svi su dobili produzenje da podnesu tax return do 15og zbog Covid 19 - Expats imaju svejedno mogucnost da traze produzetak (zbog medjunarodnog oporezivanja) koji je do mislim 15og septembra ili oktobra - Vecina drzava ima sporazume o dual taxation tj posto u US moras da podneses tax return bez obzira gde zaradjujes pare imas pravo da pokazes da si porez vec platio u drugoj zemlji, pa ces u US platiti samo ako postoji razlika (komplikovana pravila ali ovo je ukratko) Znaci zakon. Zajebavanje bi bilo da tvrdi nesto sto nije po zakonu.

Na sta se odnosi ovaj komentar? Ne vidim da niko tu zajebava drzavu, to je po zakonu.

Zadnji put kad sam proverila bilo je do 15og. Ja sam odavno predala pa nisam proveravala da li su nesto menjali. Ako ti bas frka da ne mozes da zavrsis, podnesi zahtev za produzetak, to ti onda daje do septembra - ali mislim da hoces da probas za 15ti juli.

Taj cek je njoj stigao pre 2 meseca, samo ona nije bila tamo Sledeci ako stigne bice zbog izbora... Onda kad poplacas evropske i radis US tax return, ne platis nista Bar bi tako trebalo, valjda imaju sporazum. Posto predpostavljam da radite joint.

I kad napises nesto ovako, ja se zapitam da li ti znas gde zivis. Da li znas da je sloboda religije zagarantovana ustavom, i da je vecina u US, religiozna. I da ce naravno da se striktno bore protiv pokusaja da im drzava ulazi u prostor. Sto nema nikakve veze sa time da im religiozne organizacije vode politiku, nego upravo suprotno, striktna podela. A uz to opste je poznato da danas jedan ateista, i verovatno ne skoro, nema teoretsku sansu da postane predsednik US. Predsednik moze da bude AA, ali nema sanse da bude ateista (ne vidim ateiste na ulici kako protestuju zbog diskriminacije). Zna se da religiozne organizacije ne placaju porez, znaci generalno povlascen polozaj. I onda ti "ako je do toga doslo u tri lepe". Pa nije do toga doslo, nikad se nista nije ni promenilo. Nekako mi se cini da ces i prvi amandman da pripises Trampu

Ja se uopste ne uzbudjujem, samo ti objasnjavam da preterujes sa reakcijom. Tebi nije normalno, a ono ustavom zagarantovano pravo da se bunis kad mislis da ti drzava krsi ustavna prava, takvih slucajeva milion, a tebi je bas ovaj nenormalan Nisi se nesto iscudjavala kad su ono onomad potvrdili Roe vs Wade, u slucaju gde bese iz Luizijane mislim. Nisi smatrala da je to nenormalno, ali ovo jeste.

Ama, to nema veze sa svim firmama, nego samo sa onima koje tvrde izuzetak jer je "moralno" protiv njihovih ubedjenja, tj. u pitanju su religiozne organizacije. I izuzetak je odobren 7:2 u SC, to ti sve govori, jer stiti prvi amandman. Znaci razumes da je tuzbu podigla religiozna organizacija, jos pre 10 godina, i da je to bilo sigurno kako ce se zavrsiti. Ja se savrseno slazem da religija ima kretensku agendu, ali sta da ti kazem, ja i ti smo manjina u US po tom pitanju, ali to si mogla da znas prvim citanjem Ustava.

Pa sad ako cemo ulaziti u motivaciju svakog glasaca za Trampa, i onda to drzati protiv Trampa..... Sta mislis zasto je Obama u zakon odma ubacio opt-out na osnovu religije? Pa zato sto to vecina u US hoce. protekcija crkve je given. Katolickoj crkvi? Pa naravno. Sta si drugo htela da im smeta u zakonu koji se bavi kontracepcijom, naslovi clanaka?

Ocigledno da ne razumete temu, a Baby odma u preterivanje. 2010 pod Obamom su zakonom obavezali poslodavce da kupuju osiguranje koje pokriva kontracepciju (viagra nikad nije bila predmet zakona - niko ga nije zahtevao). Cak i Obamacare je nudio opciju da na osnovu religije poslodavci dobiju izuzetak, ali su morali da ponude alternativu, da kontracepcija bude besplatna. Protiv toga su se pobunili religiozni poslodavci (katolicka skola), da nije ustavno da se obavezu da obezbedjuju kontracepciju kad su oni "pro-life". Jedna od tuzbi je dosla do ustavnog suda, i to je ova presuda. Nemam pojma zasto se to vodi kao Trampova stvar, kad se rasprava vodila od 2010. Znaci niko nije nikom oduzeo pravo na kontracepciju.

Pravo nije oduzeto. Zavisi, nema zakona koji to propisuje.

Al ga ti pretera, nije ti signal 7:2 glasanje, nego ces SC da optuzis za rasizam i sterilizaciju? Ti razumes da je tu pitanje bilo da li je ustavno da poslodavac moze da odluci da nece osiguranjem da pokrije kontracepciju, a ne da ce zenama da zabrani kontracepciju?

Worldometer laze za US. Sad pokazuju oko 150 hiljada vise nego CDC obolelih, ladno su juce pokazali 6k vise nego CDC. I razlika se povecava... E sad pitanje je zasto drzave kao Texas, Florida, Arizona i Kalifornija imaju naprasno toliko slucajeva (inace pojavljuju se podaci da se radi vecinom o mladim ljudima, pa se pitam koliko su to mladi i zurke na plazama i slicno. Sa druge strane radnim danom US sad testira od 500-700 k, pa je i ocekivano da nalaze vise obolelih posto znamo da lockdown nije zaustavio sirenje nego je dosta zamaskirao blage i asimptomaticne.

Interesatno je da potvrdjujes ono sto mi je dosta ljudi koji su iskusni u US obrazovanje reklo, a ja recimo nisam istorijski znala - da je US sistem u jednom trenutku prilagodjen "prosecnom" uceniku, tj ispod prosecnom da bi se doveo do proseka. Recimo kao program "No child left behind". Tako dolazimo do problema da oni koji su iznad proseka moraju da se prilagode na dole. Tako se tokom vremena ubija kreativnost. Ideja da svako treba da bude koristan clan drustva, zvuci jako dobro, medjutim kao i svaka ideja izjednacavanja u principu spusta nivo. Signal mladim ljudima koji se kasnije primenjuje u korporativnom svetu je, nemoj da strcis, nema poente samo ispunjavaj osnovne zahteve i sve ce biti ok. Pa onda i ne cudi kad pogledamo ko su uspesni preduzimaci, a ono bude oni koji su se protiv tog sistema pobunili.

Ah znaci svi su oni isti, ok, nemam ja problem s time. Samo sto se Tramp ne bavi "virtue signaling" Inace, nije doticni guverner uzeo pare, nego je trazio (znaci niko mu nije dao). Moralno bi bilo da zivi sa posledicama onoga sto je propovedao. edit: inace ja nemam bolji izraz na srpskom od koristili. Nisu oni organizovali demonstracije da bi skupili pare, razlozi za organizovanje demonstraciju su mnogo opasniji nego profitiranje.

Kod nas kazu obavezne maske "in public" prvo da vidim sta im to tacno znaci....Ali ja sam maskom ne bih u gym

Mi u PA danas imamo jedan smrtni slucaj. Ali broj obolelih sve svaki dan krece od 400-750, danas je 450. Ali dobro mi cemo efekte otvaranja da vidimo tek za dve nedelje. idem da jurim frizera

Nisam rekla da je ilegalno. Samo da su koristili BLM da prikupljaju pare za Dems kampanju, pa zato i ne cudi sto su ti protesti dozvoljeni onako kako jesu, sa nasiljem i pljackanjem u naravno najvecem slucaju tamo gde su Dems na vlasti. Kad mi neko kaze "i have a good cause" ja obicno kazem "show me the money". Cisto da znamo zasto se sta radi. Mozda nije ilegalno, ali jeste nemoralno. Pogotovo ako posle za stetu trazis pomoc od federalne vlade.....

Vidi, ubuduce procitaj sta si linkovala, jer taj text je upravo dokaz koji objasnjava, nije da BLM direktno uplacuje pare nego indirektno: BlackLivesMatter.com is operated by an umbrella Black Lives Matter organization called the Black Lives Matter Global Network. The effort started in 2013 following the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the killing of Trayvon Martin. To collect donations, the website uses ActBlue Charities, a 501(c)(3) organization that specifically makes the platform available to charitable organizations. Owens’ Instagram post features a video showing that BlackLivesMatter.com uses ActBlue for its donations. It then shows an OpenSecrets.org breakdown of expenditures by ActBlue made in the 2020 cycle; the top recipients are the presidential campaigns of Sen. Bernie Sanders, former Vice President Joe Biden, and Sen. Elizabeth Warren. But the video misrepresents how ActBlue works. ActBlue isn’t itself donating money. It’s just the online platform that campaigns and groups use to solicit and collect donations.

Kod mene ide od 30-35, ako hoces da dises napolju malo duze od 20 minuta, bolje da imas skrge.

Duhovit covek, valjda treba da se obrati BLM-u koji je za sve ovo vreme skupljao donacije, i onda ih uplacivao Bidenovoj kampanji? Ima tamo dovoljno para.... Inace videh negde komentar od vlasnika prodavnica koji kazu da osiguranje ne pokriva looting. Tacno sam znala gde ce osiguranja da odu. U medjuvremenu; A statue of abolitionist Frederick Douglass has been toppled and destroyed in upstate New York — on the 168th anniversary of his most famous anti-slavery speech. Rochester police said the statue of the former slave was taken on Sunday from Maplewood Park, a site along the Underground Railroad where Douglass and Harriet Tubman helped shuttle slaves to freedom. It was found at the brink of the Genesee River gorge about 50 feet away, and the damage to the base and a left-hand finger was deemed beyond repair, officials said. E sad, da li su to neki u znak odmazde, ili neki neuki idiot, ne znamo. Ali samo pokazuje koliko je anarhija opasna.