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Svima nam je valjda jasno da srpski mediji revnosno (100%) prenose ruske medije. Pa se tako formiralo javno mnjenje u Srbiji kako o ratu u Ukrajini tako i o ratu Izrael - Hamas u Gazi. Zato postoji veliko preklapanje u srpskom javnom mnjenju pro-Rusija i pro-Palestina, tacnije pro-Putin i anti-Izrael. (citaj-sve anti-US, GB, NATO) Takozvani nezavisni mediji u Srbiji koji su se nekako i otimali pro-ruskoj strani u ratu u Ukrajini, legli su na rusku rudu u Gazi. Odstupanja u ovom preklapanju ima ali su marginalna. (npr. pro-Ukrajina anti-Izrael). Ovaj forum je veliki izuzetak tj. okuplja mnoge koji prosto ne mogu da dodju do reci od mainstream srpskog tantruma🙃 na svim drugim diskusionim i ostalim mestima za komentarisanje. (i u RL)

The Raven BY EDGAR ALLAN POE Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door. “’Tis some visitor,” I muttered, “tapping at my chamber door Only this and nothing more.” Ah, distinctly I remember it was in the bleak December; And each separate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor. Eagerly I wished the morrow; vainly I had sought to borrow From my books surcease of sorrow sorrow for the lost Lenore For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore Nameless here for evermore. And the silken, sad, uncertain rustling of each purple curtain Thrilled me filled me with fantastic terrors never felt before; So that now, to still the beating of my heart, I stood repeating “’Tis some visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door Some late visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door; This it is and nothing more.” Presently my soul grew stronger; hesitating then no longer, “Sir,” said I, “or Madam, truly your forgiveness I implore; But the fact is I was napping, and so gently you came rapping, And so faintly you came tapping, tapping at my chamber door, That I scarce was sure I heard you” here I opened wide the door; Darkness there and nothing more. Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before; But the silence was unbroken, and the stillness gave no token, And the only word there spoken was the whispered word, “Lenore?” This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the word, “Lenore!” Merely this and nothing more. Back into the chamber turning, all my soul within me burning, Soon again I heard a tapping somewhat louder than before. “Surely,” said I, “surely that is something at my window lattice; Let me see, then, what thereat is, and this mystery explore Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore; ’Tis the wind and nothing more!” Open here I flung the shutter, when, with many a flirt and flutter, In there stepped a stately Raven of the saintly days of yore; Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he; But, with mien of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door Perched upon a bust of Pallas just above my chamber door Perched, and sat, and nothing more. Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling, By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore, “Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,” I said, “art sure no craven, Ghastly grim and ancient Raven wandering from the Nightly shore Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night’s Plutonian shore!” Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.” Much I marvelled this ungainly fowl to hear discourse so plainly, Though its answer little meaning little relevancy bore; For we cannot help agreeing that no living human being Ever yet was blessed with seeing bird above his chamber door Bird or beast upon the sculptured bust above his chamber door, With such name as “Nevermore.” But the Raven, sitting lonely on the placid bust, spoke only That one word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour. Nothing farther then he uttered not a feather then he fluttered Till I scarcely more than muttered “Other friends have flown before On the morrow he will leave me, as my Hopes have flown before.” Then the bird said “Nevermore.” Startled at the stillness broken by reply so aptly spoken, “Doubtless,” said I, “what it utters is its only stock and store Caught from some unhappy master whom unmerciful Disaster Followed fast and followed faster till his songs one burden bore Till the dirges of his Hope that melancholy burden bore Of ‘Never nevermore’.” But the Raven still beguiling all my fancy into smiling, Straight I wheeled a cushioned seat in front of bird, and bust and door; Then, upon the velvet sinking, I betook myself to linking Fancy unto fancy, thinking what this ominous bird of yore What this grim, ungainly, ghastly, gaunt, and ominous bird of yore Meant in croaking “Nevermore.” This I sat engaged in guessing, but no syllable expressing To the fowl whose fiery eyes now burned into my bosom’s core; This and more I sat divining, with my head at ease reclining On the cushion’s velvet lining that the lamp-light gloated o’er, But whose velvet-violet lining with the lamp-light gloating o’er, She shall press, ah, nevermore! Then, methought, the air grew denser, perfumed from an unseen censer Swung by Seraphim whose foot-falls tinkled on the tufted floor. “Wretch,” I cried, “thy God hath lent thee—by these angels he hath sent thee Respite respite and nepenthe from thy memories of Lenore; Quaff, oh quaff this kind nepenthe and forget this lost Lenore!” Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.” “Prophet!” said I, “thing of evil! prophet still, if bird or devil! Whether Tempter sent, or whether tempest tossed thee here ashore, Desolate yet all undaunted, on this desert land enchanted On this home by Horror haunted tell me truly, I implore Is there is there balm in Gilead? tell me tell me, I implore!” Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.” “Prophet!” said I, “thing of evil! prophet still, if bird or devil! By that Heaven that bends above us by that God we both adore Tell this soul with sorrow laden if, within the distant Aidenn, It shall clasp a sainted maiden whom the angels name Lenore Clasp a rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore.” Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.” “Be that word our sign of parting, bird or fiend!” I shrieked, upstarting “Get thee back into the tempest and the Night’s Plutonian shore! Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken! Leave my loneliness unbroken! quit the bust above my door! Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my door!” Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.” And the Raven, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting On the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door; And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon’s that is dreaming, And the lamp-light o’er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor; And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor Shall be lifted nevermore! First published by Wiley and Putnam, 1845, in The Raven and Other Poems by Edgar Allan Poe.

17% ukljucujuci i Krim, a i to im se topi kao led na oba pola. Btw. nadam se da ce Izrael odrzati obecanje Putinu (za njegovu podrsku Hamasu) da ce se pobrinuti da pomogne Ukrajini u deratizaciji svoje zemlje od njega i njegove vojske. Cim zavrse sa Putinovim kolegama iz Hamasa, dakako, u sta ne sumnjam uopste.

Eee, ovom majstoru je (odavno) prekipelo 🤣 (nije smesno u sustini, vise kao crnjak) Jes'da je jedan od najboljih pevaca ikad (Tom Jones) ali ispromovisao je nasilje pa jos na prvom mestu bio nedeljama (ili mesecima?) na top listama. Svi su potrebni elementi za patnje (pl) na broju, pa kaze I saw the light on the night that I passed by her window I saw the flickering shadows of love on her blind She was my woman As she deceived me, I watched and went out of my mind My, my, my, Delilah Why, why, why, Delilah I could see, that girl was no good for me But I was lost like a slave that no man could free At break of day when that man drove away, I was waiting I crossed the street to her house and she opened the door She stood there laughing I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more My, my, my, Delilah Why, why, why, Delilah So before they come to break down the door Forgive me Delilah, I just couldn't take anymore She stood there laughing I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more My, my, my, Delilah Why, why, why, Delilah So before they come to break down the door Forgive me, Delilah, I just couldn't take anymore Forgive me, Delilah, I just couldn't take anymore.

U, ok. Ja cu (mi cemo...) da crvenim a ti ces (vi cete... ) da blistas u svojoj pravednickoj misiji dobrog i misleceg coveka/zene misice, usta moja hvalite me kako sam uzvisena dusa i za mir u svetu a ne kao neki... Mrmot je zamotao cokoladu, idemo dalje.

Nije promasaj. Konkterno ti si od pocetka sukoba izrazila sumnju da Izraelske sluzbe nisu mogle da ne znaju za napad hamasa, jer sve kontrolisu - sto implicira da su pustili da se masakr desi i ostalo sto iz toga proizilazi, Dalje kada sam pominjala da Izrael bombarduje sirijske aerodrome jer odatle stize oruzje hamasu - tvoj komentar je bio - nemoguce jer sve to kontrolise Izrael kako bi tuda doturali oruzje itd. itd. Nego odakle hamasu oruzje, m? Dobija ga tako sto im supermen dostavlja sa Kriptonita? Sto ce reci konkretno ti si sve stavljala u kontekst krivice Izraela da bi preko izrazavanja zabrinutosti sada stavila 'slag na tortu' zakljuckom o genocidu nad Palestincima koji vrsi drzava Izrael u kojoj su valjda Jevreji nepostojeca kategorija. Usput su tu i borci za palestinsku stvar (sta god to znacilo) na forumu koji prenose iskljucivo hamas propagandu sa svih strana, zastupnici teorije da Izrael treba da instalira trece oko i gama zracima pronadje teroriste hamasa kojih je tu negde stotinak - samo njih locira ukloni a carobnom municijom koja obilazi civile ukloni, pri tom ne zgazi nogom u Gazu, cica mica gotov rat, a ako to ne uradi genocidna je drzava jer tako kazu eksperti sa srcem na pravom mestu za razliku od zlikovaca koji bi da genocidisu jadne palestince namucene Izraelcima (koji nisu Jevreji nego...) vec 75 godina koji u stvari sta ce uopste tamo na bliskom istoku... To je neki summa summarum izjava o Izraelu drzavi koji je valjda odvojeno telo od Jevreja, postoji u vakumu, Jevreji nista nemaju s tim, od napada i masakra nad svojim gradjanima i gostima nisu formirali 'vladu nacionalnog spasa' to jest zajedno sve stranke odlucile o odbrani i vojnoj akciji koja je u toku - dok gradjani Izraela s tim nemaju nista. Da ali kad bi se malo salili. Imamo i gomile priloga sa reakcijama gradjana Izraela koji podrzavaju svoje politicare - ali i to valjda nema nikakve veze sa Jevrejima, ne mislite vi na njih nego na neke druge Jevreje. Da ali kada bi se malo salili a malo i pravili blesavi.

Vidi, kristalno je jasno da ja ove izjave na forumu koje Izrael nazivaju genocidnom drzavom a samim tim i Jevreje genocidnim narodom smatram glupostima da upotrebim eufemizam a ne neku mnogo goru rec kao opis. Odatle i taj moj primer koji kvotiras u svom komentaru. Da li su osobe koje to tvrde samo benigne i pricaju iz ciste gluposti ili su pak maligne osobe i pricaju to sa nekom agendom i antisemitizmom u srcu - u to uopste necu da ulazim jer ne poznajem nikoga na forumu i nisam cesto ovde da bolje poznajem profile ucesnika. Sudeci po tome da si izabrao meni da se obratis sa 'molbom' da JA prestanem, za takav stav mogu da zakljucim da je to i tvoje misljenje - da je Izrael genocidna drzava. Ako je tako, reci otvoreno umesto sto koristis moj komentar da to pokrijes pa jos uz kao molbu da ja prestanem i uz to jos nicim izazvan glupo i pokvareno stavio mene u kontekst somnabulija o Bosni i Srebrenici i seseljevstini... zbog toga si od sada kod mene na ignor listi, dovidjenja.

Navijacke izjave od onih koji se licno koriste situacijom na stranu, a sta cemo sa ovima (publikom) koji to prihvate, prisvoje i ponavljaju kao papagaji po drustvenim mrezama (plus ovaj forum)?

Aha... Nije da mi nije jasno do sada da ce se u zelji, potrebi, you name it, za obaveznim lepljenjem etikete Izraelu pronaci milion izgovora. Fali samo jos frekventan pocetak recenice sa cuvenim "jadni Palestinci" a doci cemo i do "jadnog hamasa" na kraju balade. Jer, oni se samo brane od genocidnih Jevreja, zar ne.

Pa dobro, onda su i saveznici napravili genocid nad Nemacima 2x u 20 veku ili sta? Ajde, Izrael sprovodi genocid ali Palestinci ne, to je ta retorika? I tako x puta u svim sukobima kad je Izrael u pitanju uvek se njima lepi etiketa, ovi drugi se samo valjda brane kad napadaju i kolju civile? Super logika...

Ma da, zahuktala se masinerija, samo brekce... (ne ti fancy nego se nadovezujem) Genocid bi bila odgovarajuca etiketa kada bi Izrael odlucio, saopstio i dao se na posao da pobije svih pola milijarde arapa.. I? jel hoce, moze, na putu da to uradi? Mislim, stvarno... moze malo rucna da se povuce ili pak ne?

Pa sama si nacela rasnu podeljenost navodeci da si pripadnik rase koja je svirepa sto implicira da neka druga nije ili je manje svirepa itd. I nije stvar u rasnoj harmoniji ili podeli nego u cinjenicnoj neistini koju si navela.

Bela rasa je debelo najkrace na tronu u istoriji civilizacije a o tome koliko je svirepa za razliku od ostalih koje su duze bile vladajuce a koje je smenila s trona, ovaj, ne bih da ti rusim sneska. Dalje, ako mislis da bi danas neka druga rasa bila bolja, miroljubivija i slicno, mislim da si u veeelikoj zabludi.

Koliko ja vidim Izrael vrlo racionalno peske ima nameru da cisti sever od Hamasa i njihovih pacovskih kanala, nista odmazda i te trice. Obavestili su civile da beze na jug i to je to. Ko ostane jbg. stradace ako se nadje na putu. Jer upad Hamasovaca na izraelsku teritoriju je i dosao sa severa Gaze, tu je oko severnog dela na Izraelskoj strani dosta naselja, kibuca izraelskih koji su permanentno ugrozeni stalnim raketiranjima iz Gaze koji se zavrsio krvavim pirom sedmog oktobra. Znaci to je neki primarni cilj Izraela da sa tim zavrsi za narednih decenija i duze. Sto se tice pitanja ko je i da li je promenio misljenje do sada - ja sam uvek bila na strani Izraela u svim dosadasnjim konfliktima sa susedstvom jer ako je iko imao tu racionalni pristup za suzivot to su bili oni. Od samog osnivanja svoje drzave 1947-48 bili su pristali na ideju o dve drzave (postavila sam i mapu jedno 50 strana unazad) i bili su za podelu/protektorat strani Jerusalima kako bi bio dostupan i Muslimanima i j Jevrejima. Posto je druga strana odbila taj predlog UN, posto su bili napadnuti 6 puta (7 puta) od tada do danas i sami se odbranili, bili kako tako cak i fleksibini - povukli se iz Gaze, Zapadna obala nekako funkcionise - pa bili bi zapravo teske budale da posle svega ukljucujuci i ovaj najnoviji krvavi napad na Izrael - da oni nesto nude svojim krvnicima, vracaju im ratom izgubljene teritorije - jos i Jerusalim da im ustupe - drugim recima, da posle svega cemu su u kratkoj istoriji postojanja ove svoje moderne drzave Izrael bili izlozeni - budu spremni da vracaju, izvinjavaju se i sta sve ne (hoce kako da ne..) ponude na tacni ono sto je odbijeno 1947 od strane Palestinaca pa da ovi budu zadovoljni, sta li.. (ne ne bi bili zadovoljni Palestinci osim da im Izraelci kazu - pa dobro evo pakujemo kofere nemoj' se ljutite ni vi ni Gutjeres, Ortez i ostale belosvetske misice. No Izraelci su valjda sve samo ne blesavi. Sta hocu da kazem - ne nisam promeni stav oko BI, ovim poslednjim bestijalnim napadom na Izrael mi je definitivno i nazalost izbijena iz ruku i poslednja argumentacija koju sam imala a koja je bila za soluciju 2 drzave Izrael i Palestina, sad tek im vise ne bih popustila ni za milimetar. I ne, ne mislim da se Izrael vodi emocijama tipa ajmo u odmazdu. Vrlo racionalno ciste i treba da ciste severni deo Gaze jer preko puta na svojoj teritoriji imaju dosta naselja koja su izlozena permanentnim napadima, juzni deo Gaze je koliko vidim na karti mnogo manje problematican jer sa druge strane granice u Izraelu nema jevrejskih naselja (ne mnogo) pa sa tog dela mnogo manje vreba opasnost. Sad imaju priliku da taj problem rese, idealnog resenja realno nema ali ima mogucnosti da se rizik od svih sledecih potencijalnih napada svede na minimum. Sto se tice civilnih zrtava palestinskih koje su neizbezne u konfliktu (i Izrael ima zrtve u ovom ratu pored onih masakriranih od Hamasa), podsetimo se jos jednom - Izrael nije u svojoj kratkoj modernoj istoriji nikoga prvi napao, bili su spremni od pocetka na kompromise cak i na svoju stetu - za sve civilne zrtve palestinske i ine arapske za prethodnih 75 godina mogu prvenstveno sami sebi da zahvale zbog gluposti i fanatizma. A kako izgleda da im u tome (gluposti i fanatizmu) nema leka, tako je kako je, ako oni za to ne mare zasto bih ja marila? O tome da bi da namecu svoj nacin zivota i dalje od BI, ovaj, ne bih ni da pocinjem, druga tema ali ne previse daleko od ove ali sto se mene tice - nece da moze!

Cekaj, a vidi ovo --Čitam komentare i ne mogu da verujem da neko podržava ženu koja je rekla da je pre 77 godina trebala da budu istrebljeni i pobijeni svi Jevreji. Oni jedino što su uradili posle 45 doneli su odluku da ih više niko neće moći ubijati kao što su nacisti to radili. --Jevreji i Izrael - najveće zlo današnjeg sveta ! devojka je sve lepo rekla --Pa jevreji i upravljaju svetom. Zar ne? --Rekla cura istinu ! --Hitler i jeste bio u pravu Preporučujem(+170) Ne preporučujem (-32) --Sve tacno receno ! --Jevreji su zlo. Gori su od nacista. --Devojka sve lepo reklo. Boli ih istina. --Zna se ko drži većinu banaka --svaka joj cast --Podržavamo istinu. Bio je u pravu ! --Јевреји, ДАЛЕКО вам ЛЕПА КУЋА. --A šta je ona tu pogrešila? Jel možda nešto slagala? --Jbg te iste banke drze Jevreji, e sad vidite koji su oni zlo... A mlad bankarka naklon do zemlje sve je lepo rekla --Jevreji sta od njih ocekivati sto dalje od nas --Citam komentare i ne prepoznajem vise svoj narod. Aman, ova devojka velica Hitlera i vi se slazete? Hvala bogu sto sam otisao iz Srbije i sto se nikad vise necu vratiti. --Neverovatno šta pričate to za Hitlera i Jevreje. Kao da sam u paralelnom univerzumu. Preporučujem(+32) Ne preporučujem (-67) Ima jos kilometar komentara skoro svaki dan u istom duhu. Voimja (ne nisam religiozna, dapace)

Jedno pitanje, sta bi to bilo stap za Izrael koji ima nuklearno oruzje a sta sargarepa za njih u realnoj postavci? I sta bi trebalo da bude sargarepa (stap vidimo) za Hamas koji predvodi Gazu iz koje gadja Izrael svakodnevno od kako se Izrael povukao iz Gaze ukljucujuci i masakr 1400 izraelskih i inih CIVILA 7. oktobra?

Ma dobro, greska - da pregovaraju SA Palestincima. Dive ti si meni mnogo ok forumas, studiozan, volim da citam tvoje komentare, ali tek UN? Njih malo ko, ako iko, zarezuje. Eto nije da nisu probali pre 70+ godina (zato sam i navela podatak), a danas, sanse nema. (neka probaju, ali kladim se da od toga nema nista)

Ponovljeno ovde milion puta vec - s kim da pregovara Izrael u ime Palestinaca? Sa Hamasom? Dajte ljudi ne zamajavajte vise sa tom mantrom. Nema drugih predstavnika Palestinaca od njih, nametnutih i u kom procentu sada je savrseno nebitno. Dokle god su oni predstavnici u Gazi (neka ih tamo smene pa neka isture nekog drugog - do tada...). Znaci nema resenja. To je situacija na terenu. Stav hamasa, Hezbolaha, njihovih finansijera znamo - Izrael ne moze da postoji. Ono malo arapskih drzava u regionu koje su uspostavile odnose sa Izraelom i priznale ga su zavrsena prica i tu nema sta da se doda. Kako vas (ima vas) vise ne mrzi da pricate o pregovorima sa teroristima koji jasno i bez uvijanja kazu da ne priznaju Izrael i da treba pobiti Jevreje, dokle god ih Palestinci imaju kao predstavnike - o kakvim mirovnim odrzivim sporazumima pricate??? A vaznost odbijanja Palestinaca 1947 da dobiju (ej, ne da su se ikada izborili za svoju nezavisnu drzavu) na tacni, i da od tog datuma svoju drzavu uredjuju kako zele, koliko zele itd, je zato sto ni dan danas je isto tako nece - jer je premisa da se Jevreji (Izrael) izgubi odatle silom. Konstantnim napadima, ovakvim masakrima kakve smo videli 7.10. vecitom propagandom tipa 'jadni mi vidi nas i samo nas' pa dok Jevreje jednog dana ne isteraju (oni ocito misle da ce u tome uspeti). Gaza je prakticno nezavisna, i ne prestaje sa napadima na Izrael. Prvo neka smene teroriste koji su im predstavnici, za dalje ce ici lakse. Nece, ne mogu, ne umeju? Sorry. PS A Evropa (neki manje neki vise) samo dokazuje i dan danas kroz good old fashioned Jew hating talk da onih 2000 godina nije bilo slucajno tu gde je bilo. Ako se neko jos uvek pita ZASTO je Izrael bio za Jevreje 'ili da se osnuje ili da ih nema'. A sta im je drugo i preostalo u sendvicu izmedju drage Evrope i dragih miroljubivih Arapa koji zele da ih nema?

Par cinjenica i nije Biblija nego arheologija i istorija. - The history of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel has its origins in the 2nd millennium BCE, when Israelites emerged as an outgrowth of southern Canaanites. - A postulated United Kingdom of Israel existed before splitting into two Israelite kingdoms occupying the highland zone: the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) in the north, and the Kingdom of Judah in the south. The Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Neo-Assyrian Empire (circa 722 BCE), and the Kingdom of Judah by the Neo-Babylonian Empire (586 BCE). Initially exiled to Babylon, upon the defeat of the Neo-Babylonian Empire by the Achaemenid Empire under Cyrus the Great (538 BCE). Many of the Jewish exiles returned to Jerusalem, building the Second Temple. - The Israelites and their culture, according to the modern archaeological account, did not overtake the region by force, but instead branched out of the indigenous Canaanite peoples that long inhabited the Levant through the development of a distinct monolatristic—later cementing as monotheistic—religion centered on Yahweh, one of the Ancient Canaanite deities. The outgrowth of Yahweh-centric belief, along with a number of cultic practices, gradually gave rise to a distinct Israelite ethnic group, setting them apart from other Canaanites. - The name Israel first appears in the stele of the Egyptian pharaoh Merneptah c. 1209 BC, "Israel is laid waste and his seed is not." This "Israel" was a cultural and political entity of the central highlands, well enough established to be perceived by the Egyptians as a possible challenge to their hegemony. - According to modern archaeologists, sometime during Iron Age I a population began to identify itself as 'Israelite', differentiating itself from the Canaanites through such markers as the prohibition of intermarriage, an emphasis on family history and genealogy, and religion. - Archaeological evidence indicates the emergence of a new culture in the highlands of central Canaan during Iron Age I. The area, which had been previously sparsely populated, saw a series of new villages established within a span of a few generations, and the inhabitants seem to have been culturally distinct from the Canaanites and Philistines. This is believed to be the origin of the Israelites as a distinct nation. - Extensive archaeological excavations have provided a picture of Israelite society during the early Iron Age period. The archaeological evidence indicates a society of village-like centres, but with more limited resources and a small population. During this period, Israelites lived primarily in small villages, the largest of which had populations of up to 300 or 400. Their villages were built on hilltops. - The archaeological record indicates that culture that later evolved into the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah emerged in the Early Iron Age (Iron Age I, 1200–1000 BCE) from the Canaanite city-state culture of the Late Bronze Age, at the same time and in the same circumstances as the neighbouring states of Edom, Moab, Aram, and the Philistinian and Phoenician city-states. The oldest Hebrew text ever found was discovered at the ancient Israelite settlement, Elah Fortress, which dates to between 1050 and 970 BCE. - Archaeological records indicate that the Kingdom of Israel was fairly prosperous. The late Iron Age saw an increase in urban development in Israel. Whereas previously the Israelites had lived mainly in small and unfortified settlements, the rise of the Kingdom of Israel saw the growth of cities and the construction of palaces, large royal enclosures, and fortifications with walls and gates. Israel initially had to invest significant resources into defense. - By contrast, the Kingdom of Judah was significantly less advanced. - The ruins of a significant Judahite military fortress, Tel Arad, have also been found in the Negev, and a collection of military orders found there suggest literacy was present throughout the ranks of the Judahite army. This suggests that literacy was not limited to a tiny elite, indicating the presence of a substantial educational infrastructure in Judah. - Historians and archaeologists agree that Israel and Judah existed as separate kingdoms by c. 900 BCE and c. 850 BCE, respectively. Moderno doba. - Da se ne vracamo na svih 2000 godina zatvaranja u geta, zabrana, progona, maltretmana i ubistava Jevreja sirom Evrope. Samo 20 vek i njegova 'kruna' Holokaust - genocid, sa 6 miliona ubijenih Jevreja civila za 6 godina ww2: - 1917 and the Bolsheviks seized control of Russia a week later. This led to civil war in the Russian Empire. Between 1918 and 1921, a series of pogroms led to the death of at least 100,000 Jews (mainly in what is now Ukraine), and the displacement as refugees of a further 600,000. This led to further migration to Palestine. Between 1919 and 1923, some 40,000 Jews arrived in Palestine in what is known as the Third Aliyah. - Between 1924 and 1929, over 80,000 Jews arrived in the Fourth Aliyah, fleeing antisemitism and heavy tax burdens imposed on trade in Poland and Hungary, and motivated by the closure of United States borders by the Immigration Act of 1924 which severely limited immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe. - With no outside help and no countries ready to admit them, very few Jews managed to escape Europe between 1939 and 1945. Those caught by the British were mostly imprisoned in Mauritius. Britain continued detaining Jews attempting to enter Palestine. - During and immediately after the war, around 260,000 Jews fled from the Arab world to Israel. - The Jewish exodus from the Muslim world was the flight and expulsion of around 900,000 Jews from Muslim-majority countries in West Asia, North Africa and, to a lesser extent, Central Asia, South Asia and Southeast Asia in the 20th century. With one final exodus from Iran in 1979–80 following the Iranian Revolution. An estimated 650,000 of the departees settled in Israel. - Approximately 1.5 million Jews around the world served in every branch of the allied armies, mainly in the Soviet and US armies. 200,000 Jews died serving in the Soviet army alone. - On 2 April 1947, the United Kingdom requested that the question of Palestine be handled by the General Assembly. The General Assembly created a committee, United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP), to report on "the question of Palestine". - The majority report of UNSCOP proposed "an independent Arab State, an independent Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem", the last to be under "an International Trusteeship System". Jeveji su pristali na podelu na dve nezavisne drzave, palestinski Arapi nisu. Znaci - odbili su da imaju svoju drzavu jos 1947.

Nije joj oduzeto holandsko drzavljanstvo. Jeste se napravila galama oko toga jer je na aplikaciji za azil prijavila drugo ime koje se ispostavilo posle pretresa suda da je ime (prezime) njenog dede sto se ne kosi sa zakonom o azilu. Galama je inace napravljena zato sto je kao obrazovana i elokventna osoba od azilanta dosla do mesta u parlamentu plus jos kao kriticarka islama (valjda sme* to da bude i kao rodjena muslimanka) u onom militantnom delu sto je nekima bio kamicak u cipeli pa je tako/zato i cela frka oko njene azil aplikacije i pocela... Posle toga je sama dala ostavku na mesto u parlamentu. Ayaan. H. Ali ima 3 pasosa tj. drzavljanstva jer je i posle Holandije i holandskog drzavljanstva u US dobila kako zelenu kartu tako i americko drzavljanstvo 2013 godine. Btw. a uopste sto se tice laganja migranata prilikom zatrazenog azila, u principu, da procesljaju ponovo sve - nasli bi na stotine hiljada onih koji su lagali prilikom intervjua i formulara koje su ispunjavali, a neretko migranti unistavaju i svoje pasose ne bi li sakrili istorijat puta ka Evropi a neretko i identitet. *mala ironija. Posto je ovo oftopic nemam nameru da nastavljam o tome a i ne verujem da nekoga ovde zanima narocito, svrha mog odgovora je iskljucivo kao naknadno objasnjenje posle tvog pausalnog, nipodastavajuceg i netacnog pisanja o ovoj zeni koja to nije zasluzila, vec sve tome naprotiv. PS Imala je srece za razliku od Tea Van Goga sa kojim je radila a koji je odbio da ga telohranitelji cuvaju i koga su ubili na sred ulice u sred bela dana, za razliku i od Salmana Ruzdija koji je napad preziveo ali ostao osakacen kao i redakcije Charlie Hebdo 11 clanova a sa njima svima je bila na listi za odstrel. Znaci slava svim ovim ljudima koji placaju cenu i zivotom jer nece da cute i povladjuju teroru maloumnika! In 2010, Anwar al-Awlaki published a hit list in his Inspire magazine, including Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders and Salman Rushdie along with cartoonists Lars Vilks and three Jyllands-Posten staff members: Kurt Westergaard, Carsten Juste, and Flemming Rose. The list was later expanded to include Stéphane "Charb" Charbonnier, who was murdered in 2015 in a terror attack on Charlie Hebdo in Paris, along with 11 other people. After the attack, Al-Qaeda called for more killings.

Ajde? Moj mobini je 5x skuplji od tvog ali nije u tome poenta.. twiter zatrpavanjem otvara stranice sporo i vozi gore dole celu stranu, vec je receno vise puta od vise ucesnika a ti nastavljas da se pravis pametan'. Ovo je diskusioni forum a ne twiter oglasna tabla. Svi znamo da nadjemo informacije, nismo s Marsa pali, valjda smo ovde da diskutujemo o aktuelnim temama a kao sto je poznato sa twiter celodnevnim izjavama Pere, Mike i Laze se najbolje diskutuje 🤣. Link ne smeta otvaranju stranica, kacite linkove dok ne popadate od umora koga briga, TWITER a narocito 14 5672 copy-past twitera dnevno remeti i obesmisljava svaku diskusiju jer komentari se vise i ne vide gde su. Amanzaman jel' treba i da se nacrta .

Napisano se ne odnosi na imigrante nego na starosedeoce koji su se uveliko pomerili udesno i idu sve dalje na tu stranu a najveci razlog je imigraciona politika, teroristicki napadi itd.

I kod mene je isto tako a pretpostavljam i kod svih drugih.

Dodaj Lalo sta god volis. 🌷