NBA 2019/2020 - North remembers

[Horium]

To zbog Towns-a? 

 

Jbg, nije ni ta lista (moja bi bila nesto drugacija, da se razumemo) bez argumenata.

 

Towns i dalje je vise (veliki) talenat sa upitnom glavom i random etikom nego ista vise.

 

Simmons je isto lose rangiran jer vec nekoliko godina ima minimalni napredak. 

 

[Zvezdinho]

 

 

[gggggggg]

1 hour ago, LordOfTerror said:

Sta je na ovom spisku recency bias konkretno?

 

pa staviti ingrama, foxa, browna ispred townsa je prosto debilizam. isti ovi ljudi su ga izabrali za prvog pretprosle godine btw.

 

morant ispred mitchella, adebaya ili williamsona...pa i staviti bookera ispred ovih je questionable.

 

murray previsoko, simmonsa bih uzeo pre njega, mitchella, moranta ali ajde, ovo i razumem zasto je nisko.

 

 

1 hour ago, Miki28 said:

Mislis jer nema Jokica? On ima 25 a ove sto vidim su 24 i manje

 

jokic mi nije ni pao na pamet. on i antetokounmpo vise nisu u ovoj prici.

[gggggggg]

navijac thundera napisao neke moguce trade dealove sa svim ekipama za paula:

 

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Atlanta:

Could accept CP3 into cap space, so any trade construction works

If the Hawks get cold feet about paying John Collins, trading Collins ($4.1M) for Chris Paul could make sense for both sides. Hunter ($7.4M), Reddish ($4.4M), and Huerter ($2.7M) are all presumably off-limits.

Dewayne Dedmon ($13.3M) is bad money Atlanta could dump in OKC in the trade.

 

Boston:

A Boston trade would almost surely need to be Kemba Walker ($34.4M) or Gordon Hayward ($34.2M player option) plus assets for Chris Paul, which would require no additional salaries. Neither player makes sense for OKC, so this would probably need to be a 3-team trade. Any other trade configuration would involve, at minimum, Jaylen Brown ($22.9M) and $10.1M in additional salary (e.g., Kanter & Theis) or Marcus Smart ($12.9M), Jayson Tatum ($9.9M), and $10.2M in additional salary, so it has to be Kemba or Hayward.

The Celtics are flush with tradeable picks (like #14 this year) and have appealing young players in Romeo Langford ($3.6M) and Grant Williams ($2.5M)

 

Brooklyn:

Taurean Prince ($13.9M), Caris LeVert ($16.2M), and Jarrett Allen ($3.3M final year of rookie contract)

Other contracts/assets: Spencer Dinwiddie ($11.4M), Garrett Temple ($5M team option), Nic Claxton ($1.5M, rumored Presti guy),

DeAndre Jordan ($10.4M) doesn’t make sense for either side

 

Chicago:

Otto Porter ($28.5M player option), Cristiano Felicio ($7.5M expiring), and picks/assets

Others: Zach LaVine ($19.5M), Thaddeus Young ($13.5M), Tomas Satoransky ($10M), Kris Dunn (sign and trade)

Likely off-limits young guys: Coby White ($5.5M), Lauri Markkanen ($6.7M), Wendell Carter ($5.4M)

There are many Chicago trade constructions that make sense. The one I propose makes the most sense assuming none of the trio of young players is on the table, as Chicago would need to give multiple picks to turn their expiring bad money into Chris Paul.

 

Charlotte:

Nicolas Batum ($27.1M) and picks/assets

Charlotte only has ~$81M on the books for next season so many trade constructions work, including Batum or Rozier for CP3 straight up, and possibly even Zeller for CP3 straight up depending on the final cap. Given Charlotte’s cost-conscious history, I think they’ll try to dump Batum’s contract rather than simply use up all of their cap space on Chris Paul.

Malik Monk makes $5.3M in the final year of his rookie contract next season and makes sense as part of the deal

 

Cleveland:

Option 1: Kevin Love ($31.3M), Dylan Windler ($2.1M)

Option 2: Andre Drummond ($28.7M player option) plus ~$5M in salary

Others: Larry Nance ($11.7M), Dante Exum ($9.6M expiring), Cedi Osman ($8.7M)

Likely off-limits young guys: Darius Garland ($6.7M), Collin Sexton ($5M), Kevin Porter ($2M)

 

Dallas:

Tim Hardaway ($19M player option), Delon Wright ($9M), Justin Jackson ($5M final year of rookie deal), picks

Others: Dwight Powell ($10.2M), Maxi Kleber ($8.2M), Seth Curry ($7.8M), Dorian Finney-Smith ($4M), Boban Marjonovic ($3.5M), Jalen Brunson ($1.6M)

Dallas has plenty of contracts that add up to >$33M, but no particularly appealing players. A 3-for-1 (or worse) trade where none of the players matter to OKC’s future or have trade value is a tough sell without multiple firsts included.

 

Denver:

Gary Harris ($19.1M), Will Barton ($13.9M)

Others: Jerami Grant (sign and trade), Monte Morris ($1.6M)

Likely off-limits young guys: Michael Porter ($3.5M), Bol Bol ($0)

Harris and Barton would be flippable for more assets. The trade makes more sense for OKC if Bol Bol is thrown in as a sweetener, since Harris and Barton do little for OKC’s future.

 

Detroit:

Detroit only has ~$72M on the books for next season and thus has enough cap space to take CP3’s entire deal while sending out minimal salary. Just about any player or combination of players would work.

Contracts: Blake Griffin ($36.6M), Tony Snell ($12.2M), Derrick Rose ($7.7M)

Assets: Luke Kennard ($5.2M final year of rookie deal), Sviatoslav Mykjailiuk ($1.6M team option), Bruce Brown ($1.6M non-guaranteed), Christian Wood (sign and trade)

Likely off-limits young guys: Sekou Doumbouya ($3.4M)

Swapping Blake Griffin plus some assets for Chris Paul would make Detroit better and save them some money on the final year of Griffin’s deal (although they shouldn’t be prioritizing cap space right now).

The new Detroit front office has strong ties to OKC, so the Pistons make sense as a trade partner for many of OKC’s players.

 

Golden State:

Andrew Wiggins ($29.5M), Kevon Looney ($4.8M), picks (ideally the #2 pick and/or the 2021 Minnesota pick)

Assets: Eric Paschall ($1.5M)

Note: The Warriors’ $17.1M trade exception also makes them a realistic destination for Schroder.

 

Houston:

Eric Gordon ($16.8M), Robert Covington ($12.1M), and either PJ Tucker ($8M expiring) or House ($3.7M) and McLemore ($2.3M non-guaranteed)

Alternatively, if a third team is willing to give up assets for Russ, OKC sends CP3 to Houston, Houston sends Russ to a third team, and the third team sends assets to OKC.

(Houston is not trading for Chris Paul)

 

Indiana:

Myles Turner ($18M) plus at least $15M in additional salary

Options: TJ Warren ($11.7M), Jeremy Lamb ($10.5M), Doug McDermott ($7.3M expiring), TJ McConnell ($3.5M non-guaranteed), TJ Leaf ($4.3M final year of rookie contract)

Young assets: Aaron Holiday ($2.3M)

Brogdon ($20.7M), Oladipo ($21M expiring), and Sabonis ($17.2M) don’t make sense for Indiana to trade

 

Los Angeles Clippers:

Patrick Beverley (13.3M), Lou Williams ($8M expiring), Montrezl Harrell ($25M sign-and-trade)

Other contracts: Ivica Zubac ($7M), Rodney McGruder ($5M)

Young assets: Landry Shamet ($2.1M), Mfiondu Kabengele ($2.1M), Terance Mann ($1.5M)

Nuclear option: Paul George ($35.4M) could be sent out as part of a 3-team trade that brings CP3 back to the Clippers and sends assets from the third team to OKC.

 

Los Angeles Lakers:

Danny Green ($15.4M), KCP ($8.5M), Avery Bradley ($5M), JaVale McGee ($4.2M)

Other assets: Kyle Kuzma ($3.6M final year of rookie contract), Talen Horton-Tucker ($1.5M expiring)

A 4-for-1 where all four players are aging veterans and the Lakers have already traded most of their picks. Not going to happen. If the Lakers wanted to include Kuzma, it would have to be a 5-for-1, which is even less feasible.

 

Memphis:

Gorgui Dieng ($17.3M expiring), Justise Winslow ($13M), Tyus Jones ($8M) (could use Marko Guduric ($2.8M) instead of Jones)

Other contracts: Jonas Valanciunas ($15M), Kyle Anderson ($9.5M)

Other assets: Grayson Allen ($2.5M), Dillon Brooks ($11.4M), De’Anthony Melton (sign and trade)

 

Miami:

Miami only has ~$82M in salary commitments, but that only accounts for 9 players, and they’ll probably try to re-sign Dragic, Crowder, and Jones. Hence, while they could do something like Olynyk ($12.2M) and Nunn ($1.6M) for CP3, it’s unlikely that they would renounce the cap holds necessary to execute that trade.

Andre Iguodala ($15M) plus Kelly Olynyk ($12.2M player option) leaves us almost $6M short, and the only other contracts are Jimmy Butler, Herro, Bam, and four guys making $1.5-1.6M. Unless Miami sends Iguodala, Olynyk, Nunn, Robinson, Okpala, and Silva—which they won’t, and couldn’t by rule—Miami probably can’t get Chris Paul.

Say Miami renounces Dragic, Hill, Leonard, Crowder, and every other free agent except Derrick Jones Jr. ($1.6M cap hold). They could then trade Iguodala and Olynyk for Chris Paul.

Trading for Chris Paul would knock Miami out of the Giannis free agency sweepstakes unless they move Jimmy Butler and is likely a non-starter for that reason.

 

Milwaukee:

Option 1: Khris Middleton ($33M) can be traded for Chris Paul straight up

Option 2: Eric Bledsoe ($16.9M), Ersan Ilyasova ($7M), plus either (a) George Hill (9.6M) or (b) Robin Lopez ($5M player option) and DJ Wilson ($4.5M final year of rookie contract)

Other contracts: Brook Lopez ($12.7M)

Assets: Donte DiVincenzo ($3M)

Tricky trade because of the number of players it would take to get it done. The 3-for-1 is the most plausible version if Milwaukee includes multiple firsts. Everything else involves too many roster spots (or Middleton or Giannis, which isn’t happening).

 

Minnesota:

Highly implausible. The only way it can work is by combining James Johnson’s $16M player option with Jarrett Culver and a sign-and-trade of Malik Beasley (or Juancho Hernangomez) for no less than $22M in the first year. Any other trade configuration either involves Russell or Towns or at least seven outgoing players.

 

New Orleans:

If the Pelicans renounce every free agent except for Brandon Ingram and waive Darius Miller’s $7M non-guaranteed contract, they would have roughly $89M in total cap hits (including 4 incomplete roster charges), about $20M below the projected cap. In that scenario, New Orleans could trade Lonzo Ball ($11M final year of rookie contract) and JJ Redick ($13M expiring) for Chris Paul straight up.

Other assets: Nickeil Alexander-Walker ($3.1M), Josh Hart ($3.5M final year of rookie contract)

Obviously, trading for SGA’s cousin would be desirable. Lonzo, JJ, and NAW would be a great return for OKC.

 

New York Knicks:

If the Knicks decline the team options on Bobby Portis ($17.7M), Taj Gibson ($10.3M), and Wayne Ellington ($8.2M), they could accept Chris Paul into cap space or come close enough to take him in exchange for any of their cheap contracts. Consequently, just about any trade construction works.

Julius Randle (18.9M, non-guaranteed in 2021-22) plus any of Frank Ntilikina ($6.2M final year of rookie contract), Dennis Smith Jr. ($5.7M final year of rookie contract), or Kevin Knox ($4.6M)

 

Orlando Magic:

Option 1: Aaron Gordon ($18.1M), Evan Fournier ($17M player option)

Option 2: Fournier, Terrence Ross ($13.5M) OR Markelle Fultz ($12.3M), Mo Bamba ($6M)

Other contracts: Al-Farouq Aminu ($9.7M)

 

Philadelphia:

Al Horford ($27.5M), Zhaire Smith ($3.2M), Matisse Thybulle ($2.7M)

Other contracts: Tobias Harris ($33.5M, toxic asset), Josh Richardson ($10.8M expiring unless he picks up his under-market player option), Mike Scott ($5M expiring)

Other assets: Shake Milton ($1.7M), Furkan Korkmaz ($1.7M non-guaranteed)

If the Sixers lose their minds, Simmons ($29.2M) or Embiid ($29.5M) plus Mike Scott works

 

Phoenix:

Phoenix only has ~$93M in salary commitments but Baynes and Saric both have $10M cap holds, so unless Phoenix renounces them they’ll still need to get to $33M in outgoing salary for a Chris Paul trade.

Ricky Rubio ($17M), Kelly Oubre ($14.4M expiring), and Eli Okobo ($1.6M non-guaranteed) or Cameron Payne ($2M non-guaranteed) (Jalen Lecque is more of a Presti prospect but his salary is about $150k too low to make the trade work)

Other assets: Dario Saric (sign and trade), Cameron Johnson ($4.2M), Mikal Bridges ($4M, probably off limits)

 

Portland:

Logically, it has to be CJ McCollum ($29.3M) plus another $3.7M+ in contracts, because the alternative trade is a four-for-one that gives up both of Portland’s centers. OKC almost surely sends Portland picks in this scenario. CP3 and a first or two for McCollum and Collins makes some sense for the Thunder.

Trevor Ariza ($12.8M non-guaranteed), Jusuf Nurkic ($12M), Rodney Hood ($6M player option), plus any of Zach Collins ($5.4M final year of rookie contract), Anfernee Simons ($2.2M), or Nassir Little ($2.2M)

 

Sacramento:

Option 1: Buddy Hield ($24.4M), Marvin Bagley ($8.9M)

Option 2: Harrison Barnes ($22.2M bad contract), Cory Joseph ($12.6M, non-guaranteed in 2021-22), picks

Other contracts: Nemanja Bjelica ($7.1M non-guaranteed), Jabari Parker ($6.5M player option), Richaun Holmes ($5M expiring)

 

San Antonio:

Option 1: DeMar DeRozan ($27.7M player option), Trey Lyles ($5.5M non-guaranteed), picks

Other contracts: LaMarcus Aldridge ($24M expiring), Rudy Gay ($14M expiring), Patty Mills ($13.3M expiring)

Assets: Lonnie Walker ($2.9M), Luka Samanic ($2.8M), Dejounte Murray ($14.3M), Keldon Johnson ($2M), Derrick White ($3.5M final year of rookie contract)

There are many, many ways to make a Spurs trade work, and it’s one of the more feasible destinations since Pop still wants to win.

 

Toronto:

Assuming Toronto doesn’t renounce Gasol and Ibaka, it’s tough to find a deal that makes sense. Kyle Lowry ($30M) plus at least $3M in salary (McCaw, Johnson, and Anunoby all work) is sufficient, but why would Toronto swap Lowry for CP3?

A sign and trade involving Fred VanVleet might work, but the base year compensation rule makes it difficult to make the salaries match. Say FVV gets a deal that starts at $25M in year 1. Toronto could then send FVV ($12.5M due to BYC rule), Norman Powell ($10.9M), Patrick McCaw ($4M expiring), Stanley Johnson ($3.8M player option), and OG Anunoby ($3.9M final year of rookie contract), which works from OKC’s perspective by using both the Jerami Grant and Paul George trade exceptions to receive McCaw, Johnson, and Anunoby.

Thus, the options are either (1) an implausible Lowry-CP3 swap, or (2) a 5-for-1 that costs Toronto Anunoby and increases OKC’s payroll.

 

Utah:

Mike Conley ($34.5M) plus a pick for Chris Paul works and is the only trade that makes sense, as the alternative would involve paying $75M to a pair of aging undersized point guards with serious injury histories.

Bojan Bogdanovic ($17.8M), Joe Ingles ($10.8M), and Ed Davis ($5M expiring) works, but why would Utah give up all of their size on the wing?

 

Washington:

Assuming Beal is off the table, it has to be John Wall plus assets for Chris Paul because every other salary on Washington’s roster combined is below $33M. That trade would add an extra year ($46.9M) onto OKC’s books after CP3’s deal would have expired and would likely require a substantial asset return.

Assets: Rui Hachimura ($4.7M), Troy Brown ($3.4M), Mo Wagner ($2.1M)

 

naravno neki trejdovi nerealniji od drugih a neki i gotovo nemoguci.

[SteveFrancis#3]

Towns je ofanzivno najkompletniji centar od boktepitakad, ali se poslednjih godinu-dve s pravom postavlja pitanje njegovog karaktera i mentalnog sklopa. Sve vise se cini da prosto nema tu ultra-takmicarsku zicu koja je potrebna da se od odlicnog igraca postane vrhunski, pravi superstar. Ista stvar je sa Aytonom, on je sto se tice komba cistog talenta i fizikalija mozda i najimpozantniji primerak medju viskokim koji su poslednjih 20ak godina usli u ligu (prakticno od Admirala), ali je mrtvo puvalo bez ikakve vatre ili nekih velikih ambicija, pa je dosao dotle da ga za jako kratko vreme prestigne klasicni sljaker poput Bama koji mu je u svim mladjim kategorijama i uzrastima gledao u ledja iz nekog drugog-treceg reda. 

[stefan81888]

Sad kad ga spomenu, Aytona uopšte i nema na ovom spisku što je zakačio NBK. 

[Kurc Emuchelo]

16 minutes ago, stefan81888 said:

Sad kad ga spomenu, Aytona uopšte i nema na ovom spisku što je zakačio NBK. 

Kao ni Treja. 

A i spisak je sranje. Ceo. 

[stefan81888]

2 minutes ago, Slow Torture Puke Chamber said:

Kao ni Treja. 

A i spisak je sranje. Ceo. 

 

Trej je ružan (uini mi zbog ovog dođe pivo kad se vrati iz banovine). 

[Kurc Emuchelo]

1 minute ago, stefan81888 said:

 

Trej je ružan (uini mi zbog ovog dođe pivo kad se vrati iz banovine). 

Otkad nema vinija, tema nam je ruzhna.

[gggggggg]

towns ima i dalje nesrecu da za saigrace ima klovnove a uz to i trenera koji je sigurno u tri najgora u ligi i jos i pocetnik. 

[Dracarys]

Tauns je samo jedne sezone imao ozbiljnu podrsku, onda kada je bio tu Batler, sledecih sezona je vrlo tanka ekipa za nesto vise, a ove sezone je pre povrede postizao neverovatne brojeve i to u nenormalnim procentima. Mogu ga nazvati, ubedljivo najbolji visoki suter u ligi. S njim je slicna prica kao i sa Dejvisom u NOP. Sada cemo videti sta ce Minesota napraviti, vec je uradila fantastican posao oteravsi Viginsa, a umesto njega doveli Rasela. Imaju i prvi pik na draftu, mozda pokupe Edvardsa, a mozda i trejduju za rotaciju. Trebalo bi istaci i Bizlija koga je Denver previse olako pustio, bukvalno su sutnuli jedinog igraca koji ima preko 40% za 3.

 

Minesota ima cemu da se nada.

[stefan81888]

22 minutes ago, gggggggg said:

towns ima i dalje nesrecu da za saigrace ima klovnove a uz to i trenera koji je sigurno u tri najgora u ligi i jos i pocetnik. 

 

Vrlo rado bih ja video u Bostonu trio Tatum-Brown-Towns. Uz dobrog trenera i tim sa boljim mindsetom bi sigurno bio bolji. 

[riviera]

taunsu je velika boljka odbrana. niti zna kako da je igra niti se previse cima na toj strani parketa, najgora moguca kombinacija.

 

 

 

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After Miami Heat guard Goran Dragic torched the Boston Celtics for the second consecutive game, closing things out down the stretch with a couple of clutch buckets in Game 2, head coach Brad Stevens knew he had to go back to the drawing board.

Through the first two games of the series, Dragic had been the Heat's top scorer, averaging 27.0 points while shooting 55.3% from the field and 46.2% from 3-point range. He has looked much like the player that was named an All-Star just two seasons ago, becoming the driving catalyst of this Miami offence. He's eclipsed the 20-point mark in eight of the team's 12 playoff games, and although he's only been the leading scorer in five of those contests, it proves he's been a steady constant to keep the Heat chugging along.

With Coach Stevens starting the series with a lesser defender in Kemba Walker on Dragic, the Celtics had no answer for pick-and-rolls with the scoring guard. Miami was attacking Walker, finding ways to let Dragic get easy buckets or make the right decision in seeking out the mismatch if and when Boston switched.

That's where Game 3's adjustment made a major difference in helping Boston earn their first win of the Eastern Conference Finals.

Enter two-time First Team All-Defensive Team selection Marcus Smart.

Smart's notorious for being a pest on the defensive end. He's fast and physical with an extremely high defensive IQ and a knack for frustrating his opponents. Once the Celtics made it a point to limit the scoring of Dragic, it was a clear choice that Smart would be the perfect player to step up to that task.

In Game 3, Dragic was held to 11 points, shooting just 2-for-10 from the field and 1-for-5 from 3 with five turnovers. While plus/minus doesn't always accurately depict what's happening on the floor, Dragic was minus-29, the worst mark on Miami's roster by 19 points.

According to Basketball-Reference's Game Score feature (which is a number that gives a rough measure of a player's productivity for a single game), it was the second-worst playoff game of Dragic's career if you exclude a small handful of playoff games from his sophomore season back in 2010 where he played a minuscule role off the bench for the Phoenix Suns.

And Smart deserves a lot of the praise for his struggles. Take a look at how he matched up with Dragic in Game 3, as well as the series as a whole.

 

[Sector]

Sta ocekujete veceras? Ja 3 0 i put ka metli. 

 

Svaka cast Jokicu ali ne moze se u wcf sa Plumijem i Milcrapom, to bi bilo protiv svih zakona fizike i matematike. 

[MrTripleDouble]

Jel prati neko ovaj WNBA?(tesko) Izgleda da je njihov mehur pukao samo tako, tj da je covid usao. Mnogo odlozenih utakmica. Cini mi se da se i on igra negde na Floridi.

[riviera]

5 minutes ago, MrTripleDouble said:

Jel prati neko ovaj WNBA?(tesko) Izgleda da je njihov mehur pukao samo tako, tj da je covid usao. Mnogo odlozenih utakmica. Cini mi se da se i on igra negde na Floridi.

mozda je haus iz hou otisao da ga testira. da vidi koliko je siguran. 

[Miki28 Teoljub]

 

Nije lose💪

 

@MrTripleDouble nije pukao, igra se vcrs. Pomjerili su mec od nedelje za vcrs jer su dobili neke neubedljive testove tada ali su ih ponovili i nema zarazenih

[MrTripleDouble]

3 minutes ago, Miki28 said:

 

Nije lose💪

 

@MrTripleDouble nije pukao, igra se vcrs. Pomjerili su mec od nedelje za vcrs jer su dobili neke neubedljive testove tada ali su ih ponovili i nema zarazenih

Verovatno subjektivan osecaj, kad god bacim pogled tona canceled utakmica i tokom regularnog dela...

Edited September 22, 2020 by MrTripleDouble

[threepwood]

Imali su i ranije u sezoni par lazno pozitivnih testova. Pomerena je jedna tekma samo, sada su vec stigli do polufinala pa bi trebalo da se to zavrsi bez problema...

 

Bubble se pokazao kao odlicno resenje. I MLB planira bubble za njihov plejof. NCAA kosarkaski turniri se vec spremaju za start po mehurima na vise lokacija krajem novembra

[Lux_92]

Mnogo mi dugacka ova pauza do Januara... Ocekivao sam da ce ranije poceti, nije fer zbog ovih timova koji nisu isli u Orlando.. Bice pola godine skoro bez ozbiljne utakmice.. Mnogo jbt

[Dracarys]

Pa to znaci da ce se u regularnoj odigrati mozda pedesetak utakmica.

[Lux_92]

2 minutes ago, Drakaris said:

Pa to znaci da ce se u regularnoj odigrati mozda pedesetak utakmica.

Ma jok rekao Silver da hoce da se igra full sezona i to sa publikom i putovanjima.. Danas bio intervju..

[Zvezdinho]

2 minutes ago, Lux_92 said:

Ma jok rekao Silver da hoce da se igra full sezona i to sa publikom i putovanjima.. Danas bio intervju..

 

Pa kad ce onda OI da budu ?

[Dracarys]

Oni do aprila mogu zavrsiti regularnu sezonu samo ako igraju 6 utakmica nedeljno.

[gggggggg]

mogu i do februara ako igraju tri utakmice dnevno