wwww Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Foster said: Gluho bilo, da se ostvari sto nju cini sretnom, gorelo bi i suho i sirovo. ko bi to goreo i suho i sirovo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonke Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Ovo je najodvratnija stvar dosad napisana na ovoj temi. Dno dna. Pa i nije. Jeste zlo od žene i jeste uradila to što je @wwww napisala. O njenoj profesiji uopšte ne želim da raspravljam ali nije svakako od neke moralnije vrste zanimanja.Šta gđa "umetnica" zaslužuje? Sama valjda zna. Sent from my SM-A525F using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momohyoideus Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 hours ago, McLeod said: ...Izrael nije vrsio etnicko ciscenje. Izrael jeste vrsio segregaciju i to je maksimum koji im se moze staviti na dusu... Po definiciji UN expertske komisije, segregacija potpada pod etnicko ciscenje. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorodicneVrijednosti Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, shonke said: Pa i nije. Jeste zlo od žene i jeste uradila to što je @wwww napisala. O njenoj profesiji uopšte ne želim da raspravljam ali nije svakako od neke moralnije vrste zanimanja. Šta gđa "umetnica" zaslužuje? Sama valjda zna. Sent from my SM-A525F using Tapatalk Gdje je “zlo od zene” podrzala Hamas ili isti nazvala humanitarnom organizacijom ko sto doticna tvrdi? Imas na prosloj stranici njenu osudu teroristickog napada na Izrael, a ni u samom videu koji je podijeljen AOC apsolutno nigdje nije podrzala Hamas ili bilo sta vezano za njih. Izgleda da je problem sto nije za kompletno ravnanje svega sto se mice u Gazi pa je zbog toga treba bacit Hamasu da je siluje il sta vec. Morbidno je pozivati na takve stvari i pravdati ih. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwin Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Kažu sveže iz Tel Aviva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smrtokapa Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, shonke said: Pa i nije. Jeste zlo od žene i jeste uradila to što je @wwww napisala. O njenoj profesiji uopšte ne želim da raspravljam ali nije svakako od neke moralnije vrste zanimanja. Šta gđa "umetnica" zaslužuje? Sama valjda zna. Sent from my SM-A525F using Tapatalk Želje, čestitke i pozdravi se nisu odnosili na Miju Halifu, već na Aleksandriju Okazio Kortez, za koju je napisano da je treba dati Hamasu da je siluje jer nije ni jednom rečju osudila njihove zločine (a jeste). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronostime Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Prilog teorijama o krateru Spoiler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwww Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Former Derby MP and Council Leader | Socialist commentator | Host of Palestine Declassified : Spoiler South Pacific: That's sooo funny!! Because that is exactly what Hitler said about the Jews as well. Geez what were the chances! Wow you guys must be like besties Robert Greenfield: Vile!! Straight out of Nazi Jew-hate ideology Darko Bulat: Spoken like a true hamas. Itamar Avni : So what's his final solution? Chris Corney: That will only be heard as a threat of extermination by Israeli Jews, who are for obvs reasons more sensitive to threats of extermination than most. If you mean, Jews and Arabs should live in peace in one secular state then say that instead. Chris Williamson @DerbyChrisW 7h I'm amazed by your response, Chris. Israel is engaged in an attempted genocide before our very eyes, yet you choose to focus on the sensitivities of Israelis who might be upset by my tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwin Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 U Milanu neki lik napao Unicefovu ekipu koja je skupljala pare za pomoć Palestincima u Gazi rečima "izgovoriš li još jednom Palestina, ubiću te". Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonke Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 hours ago, fishV2 said: "Today is devastating for all those seeking a lasting peace and respect for human rights in Israel and Palestine. I condemn Hamas’ attack in the strongest possible terms. No child and family should ever endure this kind of violence and fear, and this violence will not solve the ongoing oppression and occupation in the region. An immediate ceasefire and de-escalation is urgently needed to save lives.” https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/statement-rep-ocasio-cortez-violence-israel-and-palestine Bullshit. Relativizacija. (mislim njene reči, ne tvoje). Ni jedno nasilje neće rešiti represiju i okupaciju? Gaza nije pod represijom niti okupacijom (bila do 07/10). Znači, osuđuje ALI... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonke Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, wwww said: After a few years, Lassoued was deported back to Italy where he was flagged up by security police DIGOS as a radicalised Islamist He then moved to Belgium. He was denied asylum in Italy, Sweden, Norway & Belgium, but was able to spend 12 years in Europe without getting deported Information via @TomasZdechovsky Da li bi gospoda sa ostrva Samos pristala da ih se vrati u postojebine, sad kad su najpotrebniji tamo? A za ovog drugog, šta reći. Ja da sam ostao duže od 3 meseca u Schengenu, šutnuli bi me u zadnjicu ekspresno nakon prvog legitimisanja. Neka im ga sad, dok baš prethodnih nedelja seru Italijanima i Grcima što kukaju jer nisu u stanju više da budu primajući salon EU za ovakve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwww Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, shonke said: Da li bi gospoda sa ostrva Samos pristala da ih se vrati u postojebine, sad kad su najpotrebniji tamo? A za ovog drugog, šta reći. Ja da sam ostao duže od 3 meseca u Schengenu, šutnuli bi me u zadnjicu ekspresno nakon prvog legitimisanja. Neka im ga sad, dok baš prethodnih nedelja seru Italijanima i Grcima što kukaju jer nisu u stanju više da budu primajući salon EU za ovakve. komentar mojih Nemaca (posle svih ovih raznih izbeglica koje su primljene): kako je interesantno da iz Ukrajine samo dolaze zene, deca, babe, nigde muskaraca ni na vidiku, a iz svih ovih drugih jugoistocnijih zemalja to su uvek mladji muskarci u godinama koje odgovaraju maksimumu snage itd (za vojsku i ostalo). zene i majke su ostavili da se muce u originalnim zemljama, a ovde traze azil zbog, jelte, nepodnosljivih uslova za zivot u svojim zemljama. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klotzen Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 55 minutes ago, Kronostime said: Prilog teorijama o krateru Hide contents Da je ta videli bismo gomile šrpanela po fasadama u okolini. No krater postoji samo što je oko metar širok a to je najverovatnije od slobodnog pada rakete. Ovo je 99% delo rakete koja je ostala bez pogona. Čak bih otpisao i da je neka false flag operacija hamasa nego prosto felerična raketa koja je pogodila na najgore moguće mesto. Na osnovu oštećenja koja je nanela prilično sam siguran da nije veliki broj poginulih. Praktično jedino ovi što su bili u atutomobilima i eventaulno ako je neko baš toliki baksuz da ga ogroman broj srče od puknutog stakla poklopi u okolnim objektima. Maksimum par desetina stradalih no broj ranjenih bi mogao biti velik baš zbog te srče, pošto se bilo kakva raeskotina vodi kao ranjen. No verovati u hamasovu statistiku je gubljenje vremena. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonke Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 45 minutes ago, alpaka Bereta Sida said: Gdje je “zlo od zene” podrzala Hamas ili isti nazvala humanitarnom organizacijom ko sto doticna tvrdi? Imas na prosloj stranici njenu osudu teroristickog napada na Izrael, a ni u samom videu koji je podijeljen AOC apsolutno nigdje nije podrzala Hamas ili bilo sta vezano za njih. Izgleda da je problem sto nije za kompletno ravnanje svega sto se mice u Gazi pa je zbog toga treba bacit Hamasu da je siluje il sta vec. Morbidno je pozivati na takve stvari i pravdati ih. Jel mi pričamo o Mia Kalifi ili onoj drugoj? 1 hour ago, Smrtokapa said: Želje, čestitke i pozdravi se nisu odnosili na Miju Halifu, već na Aleksandriju Okazio Kortez, za koju je napisano da je treba dati Hamasu da je siluje jer nije ni jednom rečju osudila njihove zločine (a jeste). Mia Kalifa je pisala da treba da se okrene telefon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorodicneVrijednosti Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, shonke said: Jel mi pričamo o Mia Kalifi ili onoj drugoj? AOC. Onaj dio u bacanju Hamasu se odnosi na nju, ne na porno zvijezdu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smrtokapa Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, alpaka Bereta Sida said: AOC. Onaj dio u bacanju Hamasu se odnosi na nju, ne na porno zvijezdu. A Mia će da drži telefon horizontalno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klotzen Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Ko se seća prvog dana imali smo polemiku kada sam prepoznao stari video iz Gaze za ono prvo rušenje zgrade. Evo ga originalni snimak iz malo boljeg ugla od pre dve godine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanMachine Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, wwww said: Ne ulazim u analizu kratera jer ima oruzja koja krater ne prave a ni neku vecu stetu na gradjevinama a opet su izuzetno smrtonosna pogotovo ako se dosta osoba nalazi blizu ekplozije npr termobaricno oruzje. Takodje nije uopste cudno da npr ako je bilo par stotina osoba i nesto ovako detonira da vrlo brzo se zna broj zrtava, radi se jednoj lokaciji a ne o delu zemlje pa se zrtve otkrivaju danima. Inace po vidjenom ni meni ne deluje realno da je bolnica pogodjena nekakvom avio bombom sve i da je eksplozija bila iznad bolnice moralo bi biti daleko vise ostecenja na samoj bolnici. Inace bombe koje Izrael koristi koliko je meni poznato nisu termobaricne ko npr rakete koje Rusija koristi u Ukrajini. Edited October 18, 2023 by MeanMachine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanMachine Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Beonegro said: Ima li neko predstavu kolike su najveća raketa i najveća bojeva glava koju mogu da zbudže u Gazi? Ja sam bio ubijeđen da su bojeve glave u desetinama kilograma, ne više od toga, možda i manje. Takva bojeva glava ne može da raznese zgradu, čak i ukoliko uzmemo u obzir da je eksplodiralo čitavo punjenje raketnog goriva, šta god koriste za to (neka smjesa na bazi uree, koliko sam čitao). Tom logikom, takva raketa može da raznese zgradu jedino ako pogodi/zapali nešto u zgradi ili pored zgrade što onda napravi veću ekploziju, recimo gasnu mrežu (koja tamo po svemu sudeći ne postoji) ili neki eksploziv koji je tu uskladišten. Naravno, ovo razmišljanje pada u vodu ukoliko Hamas stvarno može da nabudži bojevu glavu od 200-250 kila. Imaju oni i neke vece rakete koje nose dosta eksploziva, oko 100kg a neke i vise cini mi se, pa prave ih izmedju ostalog od vodovodnih cevi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwww Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 The central feature of the LOAC is to prevent unnecessary casualties and protect innocent civilians. It does this (primarily) through the application of three fundamental principles: distinction, military necessity, and proportionality. The principle of distinction requires that “[T]he parties to the conflict must at all times distinguish between civilians and combatants. Attacks may only be directed against combatants. Attacks must not be directed against civilians.” That does not mean Israel is not responding to Hamas, nor does it mean that there will not be additional tragic loss of innocent life as a result of that response. Which brings us to the next principle. The principle of military necessity permits “measures which are actually necessary to accomplish a legitimate military purpose and are not otherwise prohibited by international humanitarian law.” You are simply ignorant when you claim that blockades are always war crime. https://casebook.icrc.org/a_to_z/glossary/blockade Of course siege law does have humanitarian aspects- including facilitating the passage of food and medicine by third parties IF and only IF they can be reliably delivered without diversion to the enemy. As actual experts have explained, "Both the Geneva and Hague conventions include instructions on conducting sieges under international law... The basic rule they outline: Sieges are lawful unless deliberately aimed at starving the local population... That does not mean there are no limits to what Israel can and should do. The International Committee of the Red Cross notes that, almost by definition “Military necessity generally runs counter to humanitarian exigencies... Consequently the purpose of humanitarian law is to strike a balance between military necessity and humanitarian exigencies.” That balance is generally struck by operation of the third fundamental principle, the principle of proportionality. The principle of proportionality forbids attacks in which the expected incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or any combination thereof, would be excessive in relation to the anticipated military advantage gained. Proportionality is not about revenge or punishment, i.e. it is not about striking back against your enemy in proportion to how hard you were hit. Nor is it a comparison of capabilities that tries to balance weaponry or technological ability, nor is it an effects-based relative comparison that looks at the amount of damage, or the number of dead bodies, on both sides. That fundamentally wrong assumption is presumably why you don't like Israel having the purely defensive Iron Dome, and it is also one of the reasons why Hamas continues to engage in the use of human shields... to artificially widen the asymmetry, (but not the legal proportionality) gap between the sides. So that is what proportionality is NOT. Here is what is actually means: Proportionality is a prospective analysis that legally permits the risk of collateral damage necessary to achieve a just military objective. The greater the objective, the greater the extent of permitted risk of incidental damage or even, God forbid, death. Got it? Currently, Israel's legitimate military purpose is to wipe out Hamas, a genocidal terrorist organization that indiscriminately kills both Israeli and Palestinian men, women, and children. Aside from the standard LOAC principles of self-defense, under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Israel has an affirmative obligation on behalf of the international community to prevent and punish genocide. Saving millions of lives from terrorists is an overwhelmingly necessary and just military objective. Even if those lives are Jewish! Of course, Israel should still do everything it can to minimize casualties, which is why the IDF takes important measures, including warning civilians to leave endangered areas before attacks. This task is obviously made more difficult by Hamas hiding munition stores in hospitals and schools. (A corollary to the principle of distinction requires that combatants “distinguish themselves from the civilian population" which Hamas, of course, does not.) The Geneva Conventions prohibit armed reprisals that intentionally inflict collective punishment against civilian populations as well as the targeting of nonmilitary targets. Israel has done nothing of the sort. That does not mean that innocent people will not tragically suffer. But it does mean that any and all unavoidable loss of life or collateral damage as Israel pursues its just objective is entirely on Hamas’ account. Spoiler x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erwin Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) Ameri u Savetu bezbednosti UN stavili veto na brazilsku rezoluciju kojom se poziva na humanitarne pauze radi isporuke pomoći civilima u Gazi. Francuzi i Kinezi glasali za, Britanci i Rusi uzdržani. Ukupno je 12 od 15 članova bilo za. Pre toga je većinom glasova odbijen ruski amandman kojim se traži hitan i trajni prekid vatre. Quote The United States on Wednesday vetoed a UN Security Council resolution that would have called for “humanitarian pauses” to deliver lifesaving aid to millions in Gaza. The failure by the Council to make its first public intervention on the Israel-Gaza crisis followed the rejection of a Russian-backed draft on Monday evening. While 12 of the Council’s 15 members voted in favour of the Brazilian-led text, one (United States) voted against, and two (Russia, and the United Kingdom) abstained. (...) Prior to the vote, two amendments proposed by Russia, calling for an immediate, durable and full ceasefire, and to stop attacks against civilians were rejected by the Security Council. https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142507 Edited October 18, 2023 by erwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonke Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, wwww said: komentar mojih Nemaca (posle svih ovih raznih izbeglica koje su primljene): kako je interesantno da iz Ukrajine samo dolaze zene, deca, babe, nigde muskaraca ni na vidiku, a iz svih ovih drugih jugoistocnijih zemalja to su uvek mladji muskarci u godinama koje odgovaraju maksimumu snage itd (za vojsku i ostalo). zene i majke su ostavili da se muce u originalnim zemljama, a ovde traze azil zbog, jelte, nepodnosljivih uslova za zivot u svojim zemljama. To je i moj komentar poslednjih nekoliko godina. Jedno vreme si mogao da vidiš puno i žena i dece pored tih "izmučenih" mladih izbeglica. Park kod ekonomskog je bio pun, bilo šatora itd. Dece svud okolo, stvarno jadna situacija. Posle toga sve ovi neki što rep volu mogu da iščupaju i svi bleje u telefone a nigde ni jednog deteta ili žene. Kasnije su ih počistili odatle i verovatno ih relociraju tamo kod Subotice ali ni tamo nisam čuo da se šta promenilo, osim što su postli nasilni, uglavnom prema drugim grupama izbeglica mada je bilo nasrtaja i na lokalce. Znam čoveka koji je u BG ranjen ubodom u nogu u sred Dorćola, za malo mu nisu zakačili neku venu da iskrvari čovek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonke Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 45 minutes ago, alpaka Bereta Sida said: AOC. Onaj dio u bacanju Hamasu se odnosi na nju, ne na porno zvijezdu. AOC (imam monitor koji se zove tako 😀 )ne poznajem opus te gđe pa ne bih da komentarišem. A za M.K. apsolutno teba da se pridruži borbi u Gazi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sreta-steta Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 7 hours ago, McLeod said: Jevreji kolonizatori su dolazili i to je tacno, ali je na Arapima sva krivica za stanje koje imamo danas. Covek napise ovo i ostane ziv... poznato je da gde god su kolonizatori dolazili, lokalno zivlje je jednostavno procvetalo. Eno pitajmo Asteke, a i Indijana u USA se zove tako zbog lokalaca koji tamo zive. Koje to istorijske cinjenice Izrael ima na svojoj strani? Da ne pocinju sa sveta srpska, ovaj jevrejska zemlja? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shonke Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, sreta-steta said: Covek napise ovo i ostane ziv... poznato je da gde god su kolonizatori dolazili, lokalno zivlje je jednostavno procvetalo. Eno pitajmo Asteke, a i Indijana u USA se zove tako zbog lokalaca koji tamo zive. Koje to istorijske cinjenice Izrael ima na svojoj strani? Da ne pocinju sa sveta srpska, ovaj jevrejska zemlja? Npr to što su oni odvajkada tamo i živeli, za razliku od Engleza, Španaca i Francuza u odnosu na američki kontinent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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