Angelia Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Biden vrsi pritisak na Bibija jer mu treba to zatisje I ceasefire dil za izbore. Videcemo da li se Bibijeve potrebe slazu sa belom kucom. To je sad vrhunska trgovina. Volela bih da vidim da se to nesto prezivelih talaca vrati kuci, ali I da Sinwar visi na drvetu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama_mia Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 12 hours ago, Angelia said: Biden vrsi pritisak na Bibija jer mu treba to zatisje I ceasefire dil za izbore. Videcemo da li se Bibijeve potrebe slazu sa belom kucom. To je sad vrhunska trgovina. Volela bih da vidim da se to nesto prezivelih talaca vrati kuci, ali I da Sinwar visi na drvetu. ...hmmm da, i ja bih volela da gospodin Sinwar dobije pravedno sudjenje kao gospodin Eichmann, ali tu zelju sam vec izrazila ranije. Sad samo sedim i cekam. Za to vreme, tj. cekajuci Sinwara, Iran ne zna sta da radi u vezi sa Osvetom. S jedne strane ceka tzv. primirje, a sa druge strane: A second United States aircraft carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln, arrived in the Middle East on Wednesday escorted by guided missile destroyers, the U.S. Central Command said. The carrier, equipped with F-35 fighter jets, added to the U.S. ships already in the region, including the USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier, which arrived in mid-July. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin ordered the Lincoln to transit from the Indo-Pacific to the Middle East earlier this month as the Biden administration prepares to defend Israel against an expected Iranian attack. ...tesko je biti ajatolah u danasnje vreme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama_mia Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 .. .i tesko je doneti odluku o napadu na Izrael u trenutku kada postoji opasnost da se u sukobu nesto dogodi iranskim nuklearnim postrojenjima pa da krenu iz pocetka.... Sto znaci - znacemo dokle su stigli sa programom istog trenutka kada budu odlucili da se osvete....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama_mia Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 ....i da se nadovezem na prethodno (o boze pa to sam opet ja) Dosta se govori o tome dokle je stigao Iran sa nuk. Neki kazu blizu je, neki da nije ni blizu. A opet sve je povezano sa ranijim predsednickim kandidatima i nadolazecim izborima u SAD. Ne bi bilo dobro da se za vreme Bidena u Iranu napredovalo toliko da su, kao sto nagadja, u pitanju nedelje do zavrsetka programa. Moguce je ako se ne varam da je proslo cetiri godine od eliminacije glavnog iranskog `nuklearca`, ali ne verujem da nije ostavio za sobom nekog ucenika.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanMachine Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 (edited) Bomba nije nikakav high tech danas kvaka je da imas svoj uranijum i da ga lako mozes obogatiti do potrebnog %. Uranijum imaju a cetrifuge koje danas moze da stancuje bilo koja industrijski pismenija zemlja omogucava da obogacujes uranijum od nivoa potrebnog za bombu. Npr ranije se pominjalo da bi Brazil mogao da razvije bombu da hoce, a verovatno je i SFRJ mogla da je htela, Juzna Koreja takodje bi mogla brzo da napravi bombu, a pogotovo Japan koji ima i velike zalihe plutonijuma ne mora da se "zeza" sa uranijumom. Iran bi takodje do bombe mogao dodji relativno brzo od kako dogovor ne postoji ali izgleda da im se to ne isplati jer bi vrlo verovatno dobili jos gore sankcije plus bi druge zemlje zaliva htele da imaju svoju bombu. Ovako kad se naljute dignu malo obogacivanje uranijuma cisto da se digne neka dreka. Inace Bibi od ranih 1990tih prica da je Iran na dve godine od bombe. I njemu odgovara da ima cime da plasi raju a ne da Iran stvarno napravi bombu. Edited August 24 by MeanMachine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 Sukob sa Hezbollah je poceo, koliko ce se razviti, videcemo. Oko 150-200 raketa su bacili na Izrael (izraelski izvori vec pominju preko 300 raketa) Izrael pokrenuo udare u Libanu u preamtive attack kad su videli da su se spremili za lansiranje. Aerodrom u Tel Avivu preusmerava letove. Koliko sam videla Tel Aviv je u mraku. Ali aerodrom je rekao da ce se letovi uspostaviti za sat ipo. Videcemo da li je ovo samo flair up, ili je stvarni sukob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selina Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 7 hours ago, Angelia said: Sukob sa Hezbollah je poceo, koliko ce se razviti, videcemo. Oko 150-200 raketa su bacili na Izrael (izraelski izvori vec pominju preko 300 raketa) Izrael pokrenuo udare u Libanu u preamtive attack kad su videli da su se spremili za lansiranje. Aerodrom u Tel Avivu preusmerava letove. Koliko sam videla Tel Aviv je u mraku. Ali aerodrom je rekao da ce se letovi uspostaviti za sat ipo. Videcemo da li je ovo samo flair up, ili je stvarni sukob. Izgleda i da se zavrsio, Hezbolahh izjavljuje da su pobedili i da je time odmazda zavrsena. Hvala Bogu da je tako i da Iran ipak ne namerava da ratuje. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama_mia Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 (edited) 19 hours ago, MeanMachine said: Inace Bibi od ranih 1990tih prica da je Iran na dve godine od bombe. I njemu odgovara da ima cime da plasi raju a ne da Iran stvarno napravi bombu. Cekaj, ti mislis da je to tek nekakvo lupetanje u cilju plasenja izraelaca Gresis jer svaki put kada je najavljeno koliko je Iran daleko od bombe to je bila istina. No, svaki put bi se pojavila neocekivana sila koja iznenada pada u Iran da osujeti nuklearni plan i svaki put Iran pocinje ispocetka.... Nisi ovo znao ili si zaboravio? 1 hour ago, Selina said: Izgleda i da se zavrsio, Hezbolahh izjavljuje da su pobedili i da je time odmazda zavrsena. Hvala Bogu da je tako i da Iran ipak ne namerava da ratuje. Ratuje ratuje..ajatolah je uvek u ratu sve dok se rezim ne promeni i dok onaj sat ne odbrojava trenutak unistenja Izraela. Ovo je trebalo da bude osveta za one njihove, ti mislis na direktan sukob sa Iranom ali `dobar je` i Hezba dok ne padne neka odluka, rekoh li vec da pricaju da je jedna od taktika mucenje Izraela da nikad ne zna kad ce da napadnu....Iran - muciteljski takticar. Ali arapski svet se sada sprda sa hezbolahom i nasralahom da su se jadno osvetili ubivsi 27 izraelskih kokosaka i pilica....svasta su pisali, izdvojicu neke: One Kuwaiti user named Fahed uploaded a picture of a dead chicken, adding cynically: “Allahu Akbar! Hassan Nasrallah's response! Hezbollah's response! The number of chicken injuries rose to 27 chickens, 5 of them are critically injured, with first-degree burns to the wings and beak, after the chicken pen was targeted in response to the assassination of Fouad Shukr. He says, ‘our missiles are accurate!’” A Syrian user named Khaled added: “The chicken massacre was not a coincidence, but a strategic plan! edit...ima jos, smesno od smesnijeg ali mrzi me sada da ih kopiram Edited August 25 by Mama_mia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 (edited) 3 hours ago, Selina said: Izgleda i da se zavrsio, Hezbolahh izjavljuje da su pobedili i da je time odmazda zavrsena. Hvala Bogu da je tako i da Iran ipak ne namerava da ratuje. Izgleda, iako Bibi ponavlja da nije sve gotovo, obe strane su izgleda potvrdile da je to to. Sad sto ih svi zezaju za pilice je druga stvar. Ocigledno je bilo da je napad forme radi. I odmah su rekli eto osvetili smo se za ubistvo u Bejrutu. To ne znaci da ukljucuje Teheran ali nadamo se. Edit: ono sto treba imati na umu, je da nekad I forme radi napad moze da se otrgne kontroli, ili izazove vecu reakciju Israela da ih nauci lekciju. Ja se uvek nadam da je napad forme radi, I da ne pokusavaju da izazovu izrael na full scale napad, ali to je ME, nikad se ne zna. Edited August 25 by Angelia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama_mia Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 Iran je obnovio svoje pretnje da slucajno nasa Selina ne pomisli da se odustalo od osvete, zato paziti sta misliti Iran has reiterated its warning of a retaliatory attack on Israel for assassinating Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran. The warning was renewed by Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi in a telephone call with his Italian counterpart Antonio Tajani on Sunday night. IRNA quoted the minister as saying: “Iran’s reaction to Israeli terrorist attack is definitive and will be measured and calculated.” Jos je dodao da se Iran ne plasi eskalacije sukoba ali je i ne izaziva kao sto to radi sejtan Izrael koji izaziva na sukob sve nevine i dobronamerne teroriste Bliskog istoka ... A ovo je jos smesnije - “I would build a synagogue at the flashpoint site”, Ben-Gvir said. Misli na al-aqsu 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 11 hours ago, Mama_mia said: Iran je obnovio svoje pretnje da slucajno nasa Selina ne pomisli da se odustalo od osvete, zato paziti sta misliti Iran has reiterated its warning of a retaliatory attack on Israel for assassinating Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran. The warning was renewed by Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi in a telephone call with his Italian counterpart Antonio Tajani on Sunday night. IRNA quoted the minister as saying: “Iran’s reaction to Israeli terrorist attack is definitive and will be measured and calculated.” Jos je dodao da se Iran ne plasi eskalacije sukoba ali je i ne izaziva kao sto to radi sejtan Izrael koji izaziva na sukob sve nevine i dobronamerne teroriste Bliskog istoka ... A ovo je jos smesnije - “I would build a synagogue at the flashpoint site”, Ben-Gvir said. Misli na al-aqsu 😂 Oni misle da pretnje drze Izrael pod pritiskom. Niko nije obavestio ljude u Tel Avivu o tome. Naravno ljudi koji su evakuisani na severu pate, a ne bi trebalo da zive pod tim pretnjama. Planiram da budem u Izraelu u oktobru, pa ako ne pocnu rat, obavesticu vas kako izgleda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama_mia Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 10 hours ago, Angelia said: Planiram da budem u Izraelu u oktobru, pa ako ne pocnu rat, obavesticu vas kako izgleda. ...`i Mama bi sine` ali sprecava me kuw...dok ne sredim neke stvari, obavesti nas nema veze i ako pocnu rat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiletto Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 10 hours ago, Angelia said: Planiram da budem u Izraelu u oktobru, pa ako ne pocnu rat, obavesticu vas kako izgleda. Anđa, naša Karen Maron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Stiletto said: Anđa, naša Karen Maron Ko je Karen Maron? Idem iz poslovnih I privatnih razloga, kao mnogi drugi. Nadam se da me sukob nece spreciti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiletto Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 16 minutes ago, Angelia said: Ko je Karen Maron? Idem iz poslovnih I privatnih razloga, kao mnogi drugi. Nadam se da me sukob nece spreciti. Jedna od najpoznatijih novinarki izveštača iz ratnih zona, posebno sa Bliskog istoka, piše za sve zapadne agencije. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Maron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 2 minutes ago, Stiletto said: Jedna od najpoznatijih novinarki izveštača iz ratnih zona, posebno sa Bliskog istoka, piše za sve zapadne agencije. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Maron Nisam je primetila do sada, ali cu pogledati, obicno ne gledam imena osim ako ih bas znam. Nisam planirala da zvucim kao neki izvestac, samo ne bih da mi upropaste posetu. A ako se nesto desi, prijavicu. Vise bi volela da budem vidjena kao Alon Ben David 😀 ili Douglas Murray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama_mia Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 ...Samo budi neutralna. U smislu neutralisi svaku smetnju i ometanje izvestavanju ps. Ne mogu da ostavim haha reakciju na ono sto si pitala `ko je kaaren maron` da ne bude protumacena drugacije nego sto zelim. Nisam ni ja obratila paznju na njena izvestavanja ali hocu da kazem da sam u prvom momentu u brzini citanja fotografski sklopila sliku da tamo pise Mata Hari....rekoh - bozeeeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama_mia Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Hostage rescued by IDF from tunnel in south Gaza after 10 months of Hamas captivity Al Qadi, beduin, je pronadjen sam u tunelu, ne znaju da li je pobegao, ili je hamas pobegao a njega ostavili samog...Mozda ce uspeti nesto da kaze o svemu posle ovih, koliko? Deset meseci mraka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 4 hours ago, Mama_mia said: Hostage rescued by IDF from tunnel in south Gaza after 10 months of Hamas captivity Al Qadi, beduin, je pronadjen sam u tunelu, ne znaju da li je pobegao, ili je hamas pobegao a njega ostavili samog...Mozda ce uspeti nesto da kaze o svemu posle ovih, koliko? Deset meseci mraka. Ocigledno su ocekivali da nadju taoce, jer je usla specijalna jedinica. Da li su cuvari pobegli, ili je on pobego od njih, je pitanje. Saznacemo I da li zna da tu ima jos taoca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelia Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 15 hours ago, Mama_mia said: ...`i Mama bi sine` ali sprecava me kuw...dok ne sredim neke stvari, obavesti nas nema veze i ako pocnu rat Da znam problem (citam izmedju redova). I iskreno se jako radujem putu. Prvo sto treba da budem tamo sa ljudima od kojih neki idu prvi put, I veoma su uzbudjeni, a drugo sto nisam bila skoro 2 godine I radujem se da vidim prijatelje I porodicu. I kad kazem porodicu, ne treba spekulisati, dosta ljudi tamo racunam u porodicu jer se znamo 20 godina, pa su moja porodica po izboru a ne po krvnoj vezi. 13 hours ago, Mama_mia said: ...Samo budi neutralna. U smislu neutralisi svaku smetnju i ometanje izvestavanju ps. Ne mogu da ostavim haha reakciju na ono sto si pitala `ko je kaaren maron` da ne bude protumacena drugacije nego sto zelim. Nisam ni ja obratila paznju na njena izvestavanja ali hocu da kazem da sam u prvom momentu u brzini citanja fotografski sklopila sliku da tamo pise Mata Hari....rekoh - bozeeeee Stvarno nisam imala pojma ko je ona. I ja sam u sekundi mislila da me naziva nekom Mata Hari. Da je rekao Lara Logan, znala bi. Ja sam pomislila neka random Karen 😀 Ali ne pratimo svi iste medije 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama_mia Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Ovaj poslednji koji je spasen, je u dobrom stanju kaze se posle pregleda. A newarab prenosi da se covek spasao sam sto je krajnje glupo jer su ga spasilacke jedinici idf pronasle u tunelu i izvukle. Ako se spasao sam, zasto se sami ne spasu oni preostali taoci....ovaj ispada da je presposoban. Ili hamasu nebitan. Jer ostale taoce drze po stanovima i objektima kao zastitni zid. Nejasno je po kom kriterijumu neke drze u tunelu a neke kod svojih porodica u svojim licnim odajama i sl. ...Ali sva nagadjanja ce biti rasvetljena nesto ce morati da izadje na svetlost dana posle ispitivanja. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DameTime Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 Quote IZRAEL KORISTI LJUDSKE ŠTITOVE Palestinci su već korišćeni kao živi štit u operaciji “Odbrambeni štit“ 2002. na Zapadnoj obali tokom Druge intifade. Ovo je često bilo poznato kao „komšijska procedura“ – vojnici koji su se plašili zamki mina slali su Palestince u zgrade; ova metoda korišćena je tada u raznim operacijama. Quote The Israeli army is systematically using Palestinian civilians as human shields during its operations in the Gaza Strip, an investigation by Israel’s Haaretz daily has revealed. According to a report published Tuesday, this practice is conducted with the knowledge of senior military officials, including the Army Chief of Staff, Herzi Halevi. The investigation, which is based on testimonies from Israeli soldiers and commanders, revealed that Palestinian civilians were usually wearing Israeli army uniforms and many of them were in their 20s, the daily said. “Most of them are wearing sneakers, not army boots. And their hands are cuffed behind their backs and their faces are full of fear,” it added. The daily revealed that “random Palestinians have been used by Israeli army units in the Gaza Strip for one purpose: to serve as human shields for soldiers during operations.” Israel's Use of Human Shields on the Battle Field Is a War Crime Haaretz Investigation: Israeli Army Uses Palestinian Civilians to Inspect Potentially Booby-trapped Tunnels in Gaza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 Iiii Dejmić iz back, i udara jace nego ikad 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DameTime Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 Quote The second reigning sentiment – or rather lack of sentiment – is the flipside of the first. It is the utter inability of Israeli society today to feel any empathy for the population of Gaza. The majority, it seems, do not even want to know what is happening in Gaza, and this desire is reflected in TV coverage. Israeli television news these days usually begins with reports on the funerals of soldiers, invariably described as heroes, fallen in the fighting in Gaza, followed by estimates of how many Hamas fighters were “liquidated”. References to Palestinian civilian deaths are rare and normally presented as part of enemy propaganda or as a cause for unwelcome international pressure. In the face of so much death, this deafening silence now seems like its own form of vengefulness. Quote Unlike the majority of Israelis, these young people had seen the destruction of Gaza with their own eyes. It seemed to me that they had not only internalised a particular view that has become commonplace in Israel – namely, that the destruction of Gaza as such was a legitimate response to 7 October – but had also developed a way of thinking that I had observed many years ago when studying the conduct, worldview and self-perception of German army soldiers in the second world war. Having internalised certain views of the enemy – the Bolsheviks as Untermenschen; Hamas as human animals – and of the wider population as less than human and undeserving of rights, soldiers observing or perpetrating atrocities tend to ascribe them not to their own military, or to themselves, but to the enemy. Thousands of children were killed? It’s the enemy’s fault. Our own children were killed? That is certainly the enemy’s fault. If Hamas carry out a massacre in a kibbutz, they are Nazis. If we drop 2,000-pound bombs on refugee shelters and kill hundreds of civilians, it’s Hamas’s fault for hiding close to these shelters. After what they did to us, we have no choice but to root them out. After what we did to them, we can only imagine what they would do to us if we don’t destroy them. We simply have no choice. Quote The young men and women I spoke with that day were filled with rage, not so much against me – they calmed down a bit when I mentioned my own military service – but because, I think, they felt betrayed by everyone around them. Betrayed by the media, which they perceived as too critical, by senior commanders who they thought were too lenient toward Palestinians, by politicians who had failed to prevent the 7 October fiasco, by the IDF’s inability to achieve “total victory”, by intellectuals and leftists unfairly criticising them, by the US government for not delivering sufficient munitions fast enough, and by all those hypocritical European politicians and antisemitic students protesting against their actions in Gaza. They seemed fearful and insecure and confused, and some were likely also suffering from PTSD. As a former IDF soldier and historian of genocide, I was deeply disturbed by my recent visit to Israel Odličan, odličan tekst na temu desničarske propagande u Izraelu koja je potpuno deformisala njihovo društvo poslednjih meseci (mada su koreni mnogo dublji, kao što i sam autor kaže). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selina Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 7 hours ago, DameTime said: As a former IDF soldier and historian of genocide, I was deeply disturbed by my recent visit to Israel Odličan, odličan tekst na temu desničarske propagande u Izraelu koja je potpuno deformisala njihovo društvo poslednjih meseci (mada su koreni mnogo dublji, kao što i sam autor kaže). Koje je i kakvo to drustvo, narod, drzava koju neko moze da deformise poslednjih meseci, ali se slazete da je lako nekoga deformisati koji je jel vec po prirodi stvari sklon deformacijama, a Jevreji su tu uvek u prvom redu. Hamas je ubio 6 taoca (juce), onako, u mogucnosti su. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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