Rat u Ukrajini

[Dragan]

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Edited March 13 by Dragan

[JPM]

Dobro je da su ljudi zadržali vedar duh.

[Beonegro]

Pominje se da je ovih dana jedna od SAMP-T baterija koje su donirali Italijani i Francuzi demilitarizovala svog prvog Suhoja.

[djura.net]

bbc

 

Putin will meet US envoy Steve Witkoff behind closed doors in Moscow this evening.

[Nek grmi jako]

Amerikanci očekuju nekakvu monolitnost u ruskom stavu, dajući Putinu nepripadajuće ultimativne prerogative. 

 

U toj slabovidosti pretpostavlja se, zapravo, da postoji jedna linija u Moskvi, koja povlači jednu viziju kraja rata i jednu ideju o danu posle, što je potpuna besmislica... Jer takvih vizija ima nekoliko, a njihovi zagovornici bore se unutar kremaljskih zidina kako bi Putin poslušao upravo njihove zamisli.

 

Pa tako neko smatra da nema mira bez priznavanja teritorija koje su bile predmet referenduma i ruskog zvaničnog pripajanja... Drugi pak smatraju da bi bilo šta što iz plana izuzima Harkov i Odesu bilo ravno izdaji, dok ima i onih najvećih ludaka, koji su mi potpuno neobjašniivi i koji žele upravljanje nad čitavom Ukrajinom, iako i budala shvata da je to nemoguće ako se uzme u obzir nepostojeći ruski okupacioni aparat i propratne neophodne finansije koje Rusija jednostavno - nema. 

 

Ukrajinci ne žele nikakve Ruse niti njihove marionete u vlasti, što ne mogu da utuve u svoje glave ti ruski fanatici koji će prvi skočiti protiv prekida vatre, primirja i mira, pa sve i da Putin lično ujaše na belom konju u salu gde će biti potpisan mirovni sporazum.

 

Logično je da će i ruska vlast imati svoju opoziciju u liku ratnih jastrebova, te da neće izaći na pregovore kao na nekakvu promenadu... Potpuno mi je nejasno kako to ne shvataju ovi iz Vašingtona, kao i ogromna većina svetske javnosti koja pogrešno pretpostavlja da se suočava sa ruskim jedinstvenim stavom koji u toj zemlji nema alternativu.

Edited March 13 by Nek grmi jako

[Beonegro]

20 minutes ago, djura.net said:

bbc

 

Putin will meet US envoy Steve Witkoff behind closed doors in Moscow this evening.

 

Prvo će piti, a onda će se njihova tela spojiti u divljoj požudi. 

[djura.net]

Prihvata primirje nacelno. Verovatno ce u sklopu razgovora sa Witkoffom biti i telefonski razgovor sa Trumpom. Kljucno je, kaze, ko ce da kontrolise 2000km I javlja o eventualnom krsenju primirja.

[Beonegro]

19 minutes ago, djura.net said:

Prihvata primirje nacelno.

Kakvo iznenađenje, neko ko se ne razumije bi pomislio da je sve unaprijed dogovoreno sa Krasnovim. Sledeći korak - izbori u Ukrajini.

[djura.net]

Ne znam za sledece korake, nisam pametan. Ali malo sam gledao po netu danas i izgleda da je 2014. i 2015. bilo vise tih primirja koja nisu zazivela ni na jedan dan. Za izbore u Ukrajni treba najmanje 6 meseci mira, odnosno ukidanja vanrednog stanja, a za istinske izbore, sigurno godinu dana. Sve ostalo je neozbiljno i neodrzivo.

[Klotzen]

I ja mislim da za izbore treba bar 6 meseci primirja jer treba doneti zakone koji će pokriti situaciju na terenu i organizovati prognanicima i onima na okupiranim teritorijama da mogu da glasaju negde u Ukrajini. Naravno pre svega toga mora da se ukine ratno stanje i svi ratni zakoni da bi uopšte mogao da funkcioniše politički život bez ograničenja za opoziciju. To nema šanse da se desi dok ne bude čvršćeg primirja. Takođe moraju i da se obezbede od uticaja Rusije na izbore da im se ne desi nešto slično kao u Rumuniji.

 

Što se tiče primirja prvo da vidimo šta će tražiti Putin za uzvrat, sa tim zahtevima ćemo videti da li je on stvarno za primirje ili želi nastavak rata.

[djura.net]

Koliko vidim, UK mediji su zestoko raspalili po Putinu jer jos uvek nije prihvatio primirje, a i Zelenski tvrdi da on samo razvlaci i da mu ne pada na pamet da prihvati ovaj predlog.

bbc dopisnik iz usa
 

Vladimir Putin appears to have identified the weaknesses in the American ceasefire proposal and is characteristically exploiting them to throw “the ball” back to Trump, to use the preferred metaphor of the Americans on this.

What the Russian leader is saying is that you can’t have an “immediate” ceasefire without first agreeing on terms; upending Trump’s demand for a truce first and talks second.

And, of course, he is saying he accepts the principle of an end to the war to try to avoid the accusation of being the spoiler. But he means a ceasefire on his terms, so he is throwing a whole series of questions back to Trump about the nature of the proposed truce, particularly around any Ukrainian troop withdrawals.

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says Vladimir Putin's response to the ceasefire proposal is "manipulative” and he rejects his "preconditions".

"What we've heard from Russia are Putin's very predictable and very manipulative words," Zelensky said in his evening video address tonight. "In practice, he's preparing a rejection."

"Of course, Putin is afraid to tell Trump directly that he wants to continue this war, that he wants to continue killing Ukrainians.

"That's why Moscow surrounds the ceasefire idea with preconditions that won't make anything possible, or make it impossible for longer."

[djura.net]

cnn

 

Putin suggested that Ukraine halt mobilization and any training of its troops, and that other nations stop supplying weapons to Kyiv during the ceasefire – at a time when “Russian troops are advancing on almost all areas of combat contact.”

[Klotzen]

Ovo znači da je odbio primirje za sada. Biće danas verovatno novih telefonskih razgovora no ako do sutra ne bude nekih pozitivnih pomaka znači da se putin odlučio za rat.

 

Mislim da je u ovom trenutku to potpuno očekivano. Tramp je napravio haos na zapadu, zavadio se sa svima, maksimalno oslabio poziciju ukrajine tako da u ovom trenutku putin samo treba da gleda kako Tramp i dalje unistava pozicije Ukrajine i zapada u ovom ratu. Niko ne očekuje da je Tramp sposoban da uradi nešto pozitivno za Ukrajinu tako da nema ni logike da putin pristane na primirje.

[djura.net]

bbc

 

"G7 members called for Russia to reciprocate by agreeing to a ceasefire on equal terms and implementing it fully," the statement says.

 

They also emphasised the need for robust "security arrangements" to ensure a lasting piece, warning Moscow it will face further sanctions if not.

[Beonegro]

7 minutes ago, djura.net said:

bbc

 

"G7 members called for Russia to reciprocate by agreeing to a ceasefire on equal terms and implementing it fully," the statement says.

 

They also emphasised the need for robust "security arrangements" to ensure a lasting piece, warning Moscow it will face further sanctions if not.

 

In the final draft, they removed a promise of security guarantees to ensure a truce, referring to "assurances," but did warn Moscow to follow Kyiv in agreeing to a ceasefire or face further sanctions, including oil price caps.

 

Takođe je na američko insistiranje izbačena bilo kakva osuda ruske agresije na Ukrajinu, kao i prijetnja dodatnim sankcijama i naročito sankcijama ka ruskoj shadow fleet. 

 

Ozbiljan poraz za ostatak G7 i Kanadu kao domaćina, bolje da nije bilo zvaničnog saopštenja i da se zna da ne podržavaju očijukanje sa Rusijom agenta Krasnova.

[Beonegro]

 

We had very good and productive discussions with President Vladimir Putin of Russia yesterday, and there is a very good chance that this horrible, bloody war can finally come to an end

— BUT, AT THIS VERY MOMENT, THOUSANDS OF UKRAINIAN TROOPS ARE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY THE RUSSIAN MILITARY, AND IN A VERY BAD AND VULNERABLE POSITION.

I have strongly requested to President Putin that their lives be spared. This would be a horrible massacre, one not seen since World War II. God bless them all!!!

 

Dakle, putler čoek mira, na zahtjev dnevne doze spasio jadne ukrajinske vojnike koje je zli kepec poslao da okupiraju dio majke rusije, da li je Nobelova nagrada dostojna ovakvih ljudina - naravno da nije, bar od kada su je dali prljavom migrantu Baraku Huseinu, prvo da se njemu oduzme, pa tek onda da se da mirotvorcima.

 

Pomenimo usput i slugu budućeg okupatora Grenlanda Mark Ruttea koji je već jutros preventivno izjavio da je prirodno da se odnosi sa rusijom potpuno normalizuju ukoliko dođe do primirja i poželimo mu da jednog dana i o njegovoj glavi odlučuje komislija putler - krasnov. 

Edited March 14 by Beonegro

[Beonegro]

Jasno je da krasnov laže o opkoljenim ukrajinskim vojnicima da bi svog KGB handlera stavio u dominantan položaj u odnosu na Ukrajinu pred početak pregovora: 

 

Sources in Ukraine and military analysts closely tracking the conflict say Donald Trump’s claims of a mass encirclement of Ukrainian troops inside Russia’s Kursk region are not accurate.

Trump claimed on Friday, apparently based on information fed by Putin, that “at this very moment, thousands of Ukrainian troops are completely surrounded by the Russian military” and that he has asked Putin to spare their lives to avoid what he described as “a horrible massacre, one not seen since the second world war”.

Michael Kofman, a military analyst at Carnegie Endowment, described claims of a mass encirclement of Ukrainian troops as “fiction”.

While Ukrainian authorities have not officially announced a withdrawal, soldiers fighting in the region say a staged withdrawal has been under way for two weeks, and that while many soldiers have faced a dangerous and challenging route to withdraw, they do not believe there is a mass encirclement of troops.

“After seven months, we simply withdrew. There was no encirclement,” one senior security official told the Guardian on Thursday.

Some Russian pro-war military bloggers have also cast doubt in recent days on Russian official claims of an encirclement, saying none of the signs that might accompany it have been visible.

[Beonegro]

Opet je zli patuljak nezahvalan, iako nema karte:

 

Ukraine denies claims of troops encircled in Kursk

And in the last few minutes, we’ve been getting more official lines from Ukraine’s military, via Reuters.

They say that reports about Ukrainian troops being encircled in Russia’s Kursk region are false, and there is “no threat” of encirclement, as their troops were pulled back to more “favourable” positions.

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

34 minutes ago, Beonegro said:

Jasno je da krasnov laže

 

Od A do S sve sto izgovori treba slusati suprotno. Ni slovo koje izadje iz njegovih usta nije istina. Zastrasujuce. 

[Beonegro]

Kae Marko Rubio (kare nam ljubio) da nema mira bez uzajamnih ustupaka. Pretpostavljam da to znači da Ukrajina treba da ustupi nešto svoje, a rusija treba da ustupi nešto što pripada Ukrajini 🙄

[djura.net]

DW

 

According to a statement from the Turkish presidency, Erdogan told Trump in a phone call that he "supported determined and decisive efforts by American President Trump to put an end to the war between Russia and Ukraine."

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Turkey again condemned Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine, saying it is a violation of international law.

"We reiterate that [Turkey] does not recognize the de facto situation in Crimea, which constitutes a violation of international law, and that we support the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine," the Turkish Foreign Ministry said.

[Beonegro]

Trostruko tužno. Tužna je izdaja Ukrajine, tužno je šta je dnevna doza napravila od SAD za samo nekoliko sedmica, a tužno je i što evropski lideri i dalje neće ili nemaju hrabrosti da priznaju sebi i svom javnom mnjenju kuda sve ovo vodi.

 

US Quietly Drops Out of Ukraine War Crimes Probe, Easing Pressure on Putin

[JPM]

10 minutes ago, Beonegro said:

evropski lideri

 

Oni nemaju kičmu da osude ponašanje srpskog diktatora a treba očekivati da se suprotstave američkom?

[Darko]

On 3/15/2025 at 1:08 AM, Beonegro said:

Opet je zli patuljak nezahvalan, iako nema karte:

 

Ukraine denies claims of troops encircled in Kursk

And in the last few minutes, we’ve been getting more official lines from Ukraine’s military, via Reuters.

They say that reports about Ukrainian troops being encircled in Russia’s Kursk region are false, and there is “no threat” of encirclement, as their troops were pulled back to more “favourable” positions.

Nisam baš siguran na žalost:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0q198zyppqo

[Beonegro]

17 minutes ago, Darko said:

Nisam baš siguran na žalost:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0q198zyppqo

Oko čega nisi siguran?