Epidemija koronavirusa (Covid-19 / SARS-Cov2) - dnevne aktuelnosti iz zemlje i sveta

[todorovic]

 
Da se ispravim, zapravo su u pitanju prijavljene sumnje na ozbiljnu reakciju, koje ne moraju biti potvrđene ozbiljne reakcije.

Po mom misljenju ovo je previse prijavljenih ozbiljnih reakcija. Treba preracunati dobro risk/benefit za mlade i zdrave ljude.

[ciao]

54 minutes ago, shonke said:

Ja, 4 nedelje posle bustera, rezultat preko 40000 (van opsega merenja).
Inače, 5 meseci posle druge doze sinofarma sam "spao" na 272 (prag 50).

Juče mi koleginica priča za sestru, oko 25 godina starosti, radila pre neki dan antitela, 6 meseci od druge doze kineza, nešto preko 3500 (prag isto 50).

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U Fra insistiraju da se buster doze daju samo starijima 65+ i onima sa problemima imuniteta iz nekog razloga inace kazu nema potrebe

[Losmi17]

6 minutes ago, todorovic said:

3 hours ago, erwin said:

 
Da se ispravim, zapravo su u pitanju prijavljene sumnje na ozbiljnu reakciju, koje ne moraju biti potvrđene ozbiljne reakcije.

Po mom misljenju ovo je previse prijavljenih ozbiljnih reakcija. Treba preracunati dobro risk/benefit za mlade i zdrave ljude.

Pitanje je sta se podrazumeva pod ozbiljnom reakcijom.

Pretpostavljam da visoka temperatura i bolovi u misicima nisu to, jer je to cesta reakcija kod mladjih.

[erwin]

Ove nedelje (zaključno s današnjim danom) je broj sahrana na BG grobljima pod upravljanjem JKP Pogrebne usluge bio 6. po veličini od početka pandemije. Više je bilo samo u nekoliko uzastopnih nedelja oko decembarskog pika.

 

Izvor slike je korisnik az67 na temi o koronavirusu u Srbiji na PPP forumu.

Edited October 10, 2021 by erwin

[Laki21]

Samo da konstatujem nedelju dana nakon utakmice da nisam zapatio ništa, vraćam se među ljude. Fajzer šljaka za sve pare.

[wwww]

https://www.zm-online.de/news/gesellschaft/30-prozent-der-covid-19-patienten-sterben-nach-dem-krankenhausaufenthalt/

 

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The data from a total of 8,679 AOK-insured Covid-19 patients who were hospitalized from February 1 to April 30, 2020 after a confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection were evaluated.

 

25% died during the first hospital stay

 

Of these patients, with an average age of almost 69 years, 25% died in hospital. Of the 6,235 survivors, 1,668 (27%) had to be re-admitted to hospital within six months of the first inpatient treatment. Most of the patients were resumed because of breathing problems (36%) or neurological disorders (29%).

 

A total of 6% of discharged patients died in the first six months after hospitalization - half of them after re-hospitalization.

 

"The results indicate that if the disease is severe, close follow-up care by general practitioners and specialists is necessary," says Christian Günster, head of the quality and health services research department at WIdO.

 

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30 % died six months after initial admission

 

The study also makes the mortality rates of inpatient Covid-19 patients transparent for the first time over a longer period of time. Of the 8,679 patients included in the study, 24 % died in the first month after admission to hospital. Three months after the initial admission, the proportion of deceased was already 28 %, six months later it was 30 %. More than every second over 80-year-old died six months after receiving hospital treatment for Covid-19.

 

The average length of stay of Covid-19 patients during the first hospital stay was 16.5 days. A fifth (21 %) of them had to be artificially ventilated - 19 % of them received invasive and 2 % non-invasive ventilation. Common complications during the hospital stay were septic shock (16 %), acute lung failure (15 %) and acute kidney failure (14 %).

 

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Bleeding disorders, liver disease and obesity are the greatest risk factors

 

The greatest increase in mortality was recorded in patients with bleeding disorders (coagulopathies), liver disease and a body mass index of over 40.

 

The probability of survival for women at all three points in time was around 5 percentage points higher than for men. After 180 days, 27% of the women and 32% of the men had died. According to the study authors, this may be due to the better immune response in women.

 

In the group of people over 80, the proportion of people who died within six months was the highest at 52%. An equally high mortality rate (52%) was recorded in the ventilated patients, while it was less than half as high in the non-ventilated patients with 24%. In the light of the current analysis, the authors believe that it should be critically assessed whether the current intensive therapy - especially ventilation for patients over 80 years of age - is really effective in view of the high mortality rates.

 

[shonke]

U Fra insistiraju da se buster doze daju samo starijima 65+ i onima sa problemima imuniteta iz nekog razloga inace kazu nema potrebe

U Fra ste primali samo astra moderna i Pfizer vakcine. Ovde je preko milion vakcina sinofarma koji može dati dosta slabiji i kraćeg trajanja imuni odgovor, naročito kod starijih i/ili osoba sa slabijim zdravljem.

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[erwin]

 

14 minutes ago, Losmi17 said:

Pitanje je sta se podrazumeva pod ozbiljnom reakcijom.

 

Piše lepo u postu.

Edited October 10, 2021 by erwin

[Losmi17]

2 minutes ago, erwin said:

 

 

Piše lepo u postu.

Sad videh, prastaj.

I dalje mislim da je to nesto veci broj ozbiljnih nus efekata nego sto je ocekivano. Cini mi se da je us to bilo dosta manje.

[Mthomy]

Neki poznanici tvrde da su se drugi put zarazili. Kolike su sanse za to? 
kolike su sanse da se zarwze svi nevakcinisani?

[erwin]

16 hours ago, Darko said:

Čudno je i meni. I Fajzer ima isti problem pa nije stopiran, ne znam što je Moderna problem - osim ako se dešava mnogo češće. 

 

Šveđani npr. tvrde da je problem baš izražen kod Moderne.

 

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Heart muscle inflammation (myocarditis) and heart sack inflammation (pericarditis) usually resolve on their own, but symptoms need to be assessed by a doctor. The conditions are most common among young men, associated with viral infections such as covid-19. In 2019, about 300 people under 30 were hospitalised with myocarditis.

Data point to an increased incidence also associated with vaccination against covid-19, mainly in adolescents and young adults and mostly in boys and men. For the individual, the risk of being affected is very low; it is a very rare side effect.

Recent preliminary analyses from Swedish and Nordic data sources suggest that the association is particularly clear for the Spikevax vaccine from Moderna, especially after the second dose. The increase in risk is seen within four weeks of vaccination, mainly within the first two weeks.

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/nyheter-och-press/nyhetsarkiv/2021/oktober/anvandningen-av-modernas-vaccin-mot-covid-19-pausas-for-alla-som-ar-fodda-1991-och-senare/ (prevod: Deepl)

 

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57 minutes ago, Mthomy said:

Neki poznanici tvrde da su se drugi put zarazili. Kolike su sanse za to? 
kolike su sanse da se zarwze svi nevakcinisani?

 

U Oklahomi se potvrđeno drugi put zarazilo preko 1% preležalih (5186 ponovo zaraženih više od 90 dana posle prvog zaražavanja na 460.075 prebolelih u toj saveznoj državi SAD kumulativno do 1. oktobra).

 

Izvor: https://oklahoma.gov/content/dam/ok/en/covid19/documents/weekly-epi-report/2021.10.06 Weekly Epi Report.pdf (strana 10)

  

57 minutes ago, Mthomy said:

kolike su sanse da se zarwze svi nevakcinisani?

 

Velike.

Edited October 10, 2021 by erwin

[JPM]

Au majko moja, ako ja imam 20 kg viska i BMI mi je 32, kakvi li su to ljudi sa BMI 40 i iznad. To je bas mnogo debela osoba.

 

Elem, jel citao neko nesto vezano za procene trajanja pandemije?

 

Ja se sad bojim, osnovano, s obzirom da odziv na trecu dozu nije sjajan, da cemo mi pocetkom godine zapravo imati manje imunizovanih ljudi nego li upravo zavrsenog leta.

[Milenko Puzigaca]

7 hours ago, erwin said:

Srbija postala 36. zemlja sa zvanično preko milion zaraženih (prema podacima sa covid19.rs). Uz to i najmanja, jedina druga zemlja sa manje od 10 miliona stanovnika na tom spisku je Izrael - ima 9,3 miliona.

 

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#main_table

Pa dobro, vazno da su bar jednu stvar našli u kojoj su stvarno najbolji. To je njima njihova borba dala.

[Prijatelj Mitar]

Danasnji raport iz Dubiča:

 

Prijatelj Mitar - ništa.

 

Živka (Gospođa) - oseća se i bolje nego juče. Danas nema glavobolju i bol "u očima" koji su juče bili prisutni. Tu je samo bol u grlu, uz danas nešto blaži kašalj. Temperature nema od četvrtka (dana testiranja). Pošto se u utorak prvi put požalila na jezu i drhtavicu (epizoda sa temperaturom počela u sredu i trajala oko 24h) ajde neka onda utorak bude prvi dan sa simptomima, mada je kašalj tu od prošlog vikenda. Sutra ide u kovid ambulantu na pregled. Nadamo se da će na ovome ostati i da će Kinez (i kod mene i kod nje) odraditi posao.

 

Petrojka - može da ide u drva.

 

[erwin]

Irska:

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67% OF PATIENTS being treated in intensive care units with Covid-19 have not been vaccinated, HSE chief Paul Reid has said. 

Speaking on RTÉ’s This Week, Reid said that of the 74 people currently in ICU with the virus, 67% have not been vaccinated while 3% are partially vaccinated. 

https://www.thejournal.ie/20-rise-in-icu-patients-since-last-week-hse-ceo-5570675-Oct2021/

 

Dakle, od svih pacijenata na intenzivnoj nezi 30% je potpuno vakcinisano, pri čemu je u Irskoj je potpuno vakcinisano 74% populacije. To odgovara efikasnosti vakcina protiv završavanja na intenzivnoj nezi od najmanje 85%, pošto zanemarujemo da je vakcinisana populacija starija i bolesnija jer nema podataka o tome u kojoj meri je to slučaj.
 

Edited October 10, 2021 by erwin

[Tomiprunet]

3 hours ago, erwin said:

 

Šveđani npr. tvrde da je problem baš izražen kod Moderne.

 

 

 

 

Isto su tako tvrdili bas za AZ vakcinu.( ne Svedjani)

Edited October 10, 2021 by Tomiprunet

[erwin]

Prijavljeni neželjeni efekti vakcina od običnih građana i lekara u Britaniji:

 

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This safety update report is based on detailed analysis of data up to 29 September 2021. At this date, an estimated 22.5 million first doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and 24.9 million first doses of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca had been administered, and around 19.6 million and 24.0 million second doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca respectively. An approximate 1.4 million first doses and approximately 1.2 million second doses of the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna have also now been administered.

As of 29 September 2021, for the UK, 118,970 Yellow Cards have been reported for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, 233,904 have been reported for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 16,582 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 1,118 have been reported where the brand of the vaccine was not specified.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

 

Kad se preračuna u odnosu na ukupan broj datih doza:

Fajzer: 0,28%
AstraZeneka: 0,48%
Moderna: 0,64%

[Klotzen]

Danas sam vodio ćaleta u privatnu laboratoriju na testiranje. Red ispred mene je bio od 50 ljudi, mogu zamisliti onda koliko ih je bilo u državnim ambulantama. Smrzošmo se i ako i nema kovid dobiće grip 100%.

[Brian Setzer]

8 hours ago, erwin said:

Broj hospitalizovanih u Švajcarskoj prema statusu (nevakcinisani, potpuno vakcinisani Fajzerom i potpuno vakcinisani Modernom) od početka kampanje vakcinacije:

 

 

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/status?vaccStatusDevRel=rel&vaccStatusVaccSum=total&vaccineStatus=fullyVaccinatedModerna,fullyVaccinatedPfizerBiontech,notVaccinated

 

Broj umrlih u Švajcarskoj prema statusu (nevakcinisani, potpuno vakcinisani Fajzerom i potpuno vakcinisani Modernom) od početka kampanje vakcinacije:

 

 

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/status?vaccStatusDevRel=rel&vaccStatusVaccSum=total&vaccineStatus=fullyVaccinatedModerna,fullyVaccinatedPfizerBiontech,notVaccinated&indicator=death

 

Udeli vakcinisanih u populaciji:

 

 

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/status?vaccStatusDevRel=rel&vaccStatusVaccSum=total&vaccineStatus=fullyVaccinatedModerna,fullyVaccinatedPfizerBiontech,notVaccinated&indicator=death

 

Apsolutni broj vakcinacija:

 

 

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/doses?vaccRel=abs

 

Ozbiljne reakcije na vakcine:

 

Definicija:

 

Fajzer:

 

 

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/symptoms?vaccine=pfizer_biontech

 

Dakle, jedna ozbiljna reakcija na Fajzera na svakih 3568 doza, tj. 0,028%, odnosno pri 99,972% vakcinisanja nije došlo do ozbiljnih reakcija.

 

Moderna:

 

 

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/symptoms?vaccine=moderna

 

Dakle, jedna ozbiljna reakcija na Modernu na svake 4364 doze, tj. 0,023%, odnosno pri 99,977% vakcinisanja nije došlo do ozbiljnih reakcija.

 

Pa mnogo je to ozbiljnih reakcija na Fajzer i Modernu.

 

Koliko se sećam, oni beše zabranili AZ zato što je na svakih 100.000 bila opasna tromboza (a na svakih milion po jedna ili dve smrti).

Edited October 10, 2021 by stray_cat

[ras kass]

1 hour ago, erwin said:

Irska:

https://www.thejournal.ie/20-rise-in-icu-patients-since-last-week-hse-ceo-5570675-Oct2021/

 

Dakle, od svih pacijenata na intenzivnoj nezi 30% je potpuno vakcinisano, pri čemu je u Irskoj je potpuno vakcinisano 74% populacije. To odgovara efikasnosti vakcina protiv završavanja na intenzivnoj nezi od najmanje 85%, pošto zanemarujemo da je vakcinisana populacija starija i bolesnija jer nema podataka o tome u kojoj meri je to slučaj.
 

 

Treba reci da Irska trenutno ima 74 osobe na intezivnoj nezi. 

[erwin]

Da, piše u citatu. Irska inače ima oko 5 miliona stanovnika.

[erwin]

Iz najnovijih bezbednosnih izveštaja EMA o vakcinama protiv kovida-19:

 

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As of 30 September 2021, a total of 199,999 cases of suspected side effects with [AstraZeneca] Vaxzevria were spontaneously reported to EudraVigilance from EU/EEA countries; 1,211 of these reported a fatal outcome. By the same date, more than 68.7 million doses of Vaxzevria had been given to people in the EU/EEA.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-6-october-2021_en.pdf

 

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As of 30 September 2021, a total of 361,767 cases of suspected side effects with [Pfizer-Biontech] Comirnaty were spontaneously reported to EudraVigilance from EU/EEA countries; 5,113 of these reported a fatal outcome. By the same date more than 420 million doses of Comirnaty had been given to people in the EU/EEA.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-comirnaty-6-october-2021_en.pdf

 

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As of 30 September 2021, a total of 80,486 cases of suspected side effects with [Moderna] Spikevax were spontaneously reported to EudraVigilance from EU/EEA countries; 495 of these reported a fatal outcome. By the same date, more than 59.8 million doses of Spikevax had been given to people in the EU/EEA.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-spikevax-previously-covid-19-vaccine-moderna-6-october-2021_en.pdf

 

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As of 30 September 2021, a total of 23,455 cases of suspected side effects with COVID-19 Vaccine [Johnson&Johnson] Janssen were spontaneously reported to EudraVigilance from EU/EEA countries; 171 of these reported a fatal outcome. By the same date, more than 14.3 million doses of COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen had been given to people in the EU/EEA.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-covid-19-vaccine-janssen-6-october-2021_en.pdf

 

Dakle, da sortiramo vakcine koje je odobrila EMA od najboljeg po broju prijavljenih sumnjivih umrlih na milion doza do najgoreg prema najnovijim izveštajima:

 

Moderna Spikevax: 0,13% sumnjivih neželjenih efekata u odnosu na broj doza i 8,3 sumnjivih umrlih na milion doza.
Johnson&Johnson Janssen: 0,16% sumnjivih neželjenih efekata u odnosu na broj doza i 12 sumnjivih umrlih na milion doza.
Pfizer-Biontech Comirnaty: 0,09% sumnjivih neželjenih efekata u odnosu na broj doza i 12,2 sumnjivih umrlih na milion doza.
AstraZeneca Vaxzevria: 0,29% sumnjivih neželjenih efekata u odnosu na broj doza i 17,6 sumnjivih umrlih na milion doza.

Edited October 10, 2021 by erwin

[McLeod]

Treba imati u vidu da je ovo maksimalni moguci broj nezeljenih reakcija (zato i pise suspected) onih koji su zaista povezani sa vakcinama je manje. Ako bismo se prebacili na teren recimo MMR vakcine kod koje su ove stvari najbolje dokumentovane procenat potvrdjenih nezeljenih reakcija je 10%ak od ukupno prijavljenih. Nek bude ovde i 50% (sto je nemoguce) opet su ovo najsigurnije vakcine u istoriji.

[JohnnyDragon]

2 hours ago, McLeod said:

Treba imati u vidu da je ovo maksimalni moguci broj nezeljenih reakcija (zato i pise suspected) onih koji su zaista povezani sa vakcinama je manje. Ako bismo se prebacili na teren recimo MMR vakcine kod koje su ove stvari najbolje dokumentovane procenat potvrdjenih nezeljenih reakcija je 10%ak od ukupno prijavljenih. Nek bude ovde i 50% (sto je nemoguce) opet su ovo najsigurnije vakcine u istoriji.

Ovo nije tačno naprosto.

[erwin]