[USA] SJEDINJENE AMERIČKE DRŽAVE - unutrašnja politika i uticaj na svetska kretanja

[bohumilo]

On 7/10/2020 at 5:56 PM, Angelia said:

Nisam imala vremena da odslusam ceo govor, recimo ima neke stvari Bog, devine i to sto mi se ne svidja.

 

Our Founders boldly declared that we are all endowed with the same divine rights — given [to] us by our Creator in Heaven.  And that which God has given us, we will allow no one, ever, to take away — ever.  (Applause.)

 

To je istakao u kontekstu ljudskih prava, i to je fokalna tacka ovog "Velikog amerikana govora". Jer, sama ideja individualizma kao kamena temeljca Zapadne slobode i prosperitata, koji je zasnovan na individualnim ljudskim pravima, tj. na jednakosti svakog coveka pred zakonom, zapravo teoloska ideja o jednakosti pred Bogom i direktnoj "stvoritelj-stvorenje" vezi koju svaki covek ima sa Bogom, tj. o tome da ljudska prava svakog nevinog coveka NE DOLAZE od drzave ni iz centralnog komiteta nego od Boga, te ih pomenuti silnici ljudima ne mogu oduzeti ovozemaljskim zakonima - i to jesu ideje koje su kodifikovane u osnivackim dokumentima SAD kao sto je Deklaracija o nezavisnosti ili Ustav (svaki nevin covek ima pravo da, bez ikakvog uplitanja drzave, ispoveda religuju koju hoce, da kaze sta zeli, da bude naoruzan i spreman da odbrani svoju porodicu i svoje komsije i svoju imovinu, da se druzi i okuplja s kim zeli, da trguje i posluje sa drugim slobodnim ljudima na dobrovoljnoj osnovi itd, itd...).

 

Ovo jeste i jedan od razloga zasto totalitarne ideologije koje se temelje na najekstremnijem krsenju ljudskih prava, kao sto je komunizam, uvek kidisu i na Boga (drugi razlog je sto oni inace kidisu na svaki oblik nezavisnih i dobrovoljnih ljudskih zajednica i udruzenja koja ljudima pruzaju kontekst (a i oslonac i pomoc kada zatreba) u kojem drzava ne figurise ni na koji nacin, pa koja stoga moraju biti razmontirana i konstruisana od pocetka, po dizajnu i pod nadzorom Drzave, Sluzbe i Partije - od lokalnih ribolovackih udruzenja, horova i sah klubova, pa sve do religijskih zajednica ili porodice). To je razlog zasto i ovaj balavi totalitarizam po SAD - koji odbacuje ideju individualnih ljudskih prava i umesto toga promovise primitivne ideje rasnog i tribalnog prava - pali crkve i maltretira ljude koji tamo odlaze, cak i decu po religijskim skolama...

Edited July 12, 2020 by bohumilo

[Angelia]

6 hours ago, MeanMachine said:

 

Cita sa teleprometra.

 

Pa ne videh ih nigde na snimku, posto mi je to bila prva pomisao.

I ne zvuci kao citanje. 

2 hours ago, bohumilo said:

To je istakao u kontekstu ljudskih prava, i to je fokalna tacka ovog "Velikog amerikana govora". Jer, sama ideja individualizma kao kamena temeljca Zapadne slobode i prosperitata, koji je zasnovan na individualnim ljudskim pravima, tj. na jednakosti svakog coveka pred zakonom, zapravo teoloska ideja o jednakosti pred Bogom i direktnoj "stvoritelj-stvorenje" vezi koju svaki covek ima sa Bogom, tj. o tome da ljudska prava svakog nevinog coveka NE DOLAZE od drzave ni iz centralnog komiteta nego od Boga, te ih pomenuti silnici ljudima ne mogu oduzeti ovozemaljskim zakonima - i to jesu ideje koje su kodifikovane u osnivackim dokumentima SAD kao sto je Deklaracija o nezavisnosti ili Ustav (svaki nevin covek ima pravo da, bez ikakvog uplitanja drzave, ispoveda religuju koju hoce, da kaze sta zeli, da bude naoruzan i spreman da odbrani svoju porodicu i svoje komsije i svoju imovinu, da se druzi i okuplja s kim zeli, da trguje i posluje sa drugim slobodnim ljudima na dobrovoljnoj osnovi itd, itd...).

 

 

Jasno je meni zasto, uz to kao sto rekoh vecina US je religiozna, tako da to zvuci onako kako treba da zvuci. Moras i da razumes zasto ateistu malo zulja toliko velicanje religije  Ostatak poruke jeste dobar.

Inace totalitarni rezimi napadaju religije jer prosto ne mogu da dozvole da imas "dva gospodara".

[MeanMachine]

3 hours ago, Angelia said:

Pa ne videh ih nigde na snimku, posto mi je to bila prva pomisao.

I ne zvuci kao citanje. 

 

Vidi se da cita ne znam kako nisi primetila, a jedan telepromter mozes da vidis i na snimku kada kamera pokazuje celu binu, a ovde se vide oba:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/trump-rails-against-angry-mobs/story-rtr7mTIMSiHFCZLPKtY1PN.html

Edited July 12, 2020 by MeanMachine

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

6 minutes ago, MeanMachine said:

 

Vidi se da cita ne znam kako nisi primetila, a jedan mozes da vidis i na snimku kada kamera pokazuje celu binu, a ovde se vide oba:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/trump-rails-against-angry-mobs/story-rtr7mTIMSiHFCZLPKtY1PN.html

 

 

 

 

 

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“Our nation is witnessing a merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values, and indoctrinate our children,”

“Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our Founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities,” 

 

Ovo je govor pre cetvrtog jula, ono sto on misli...

 

Za 4 jul se drzao (uz najvece napore) unepred napisanog scenarija https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-salute-america/

 

Imao je teleprompter jer se posle zalio https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/7/5/20683291/trump-airports-teleprompter-fourth-july

 

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During his Independence Day speech paying tribute to the military, Trump sowed confusion when he began talking about air defenses during the American Revolution, which took place more than a century before the invention of the airplane.

”Our Army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports,” Trump said of the fighting force created by the Continental Congress in 1775.

 

😀

[Angelia]

1 hour ago, MeanMachine said:

 

Vidi se da cita ne znam kako nisi primetila, a jedan telepromter mozes da vidis i na snimku kada kamera pokazuje celu binu, a ovde se vide oba:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/trump-rails-against-angry-mobs/story-rtr7mTIMSiHFCZLPKtY1PN.html

Meni bi trebale naocare  U svakom slucaju zvuci impresivno, i za citanje. 

[Klotzen]

1 hour ago, Baby said:

 

 

Ovo je govor pre cetvrtog jula, ono sto on misli...

 

Za 4 jul se drzao (uz najvece napore) unepred napisanog scenarija https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-salute-america/

 

Imao je teleprompter jer se posle zalio https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/7/5/20683291/trump-airports-teleprompter-fourth-july

 

 

😀

 

Ovakvo nepoznavanje opstih stvari boli cak do Srbije. Avijacija u 18. veku :) , jel to istorijski "stand up" nastup ili "istorijski govor" ?

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

1 hour ago, Klotzen said:

 

Ovakvo nepoznavanje opstih stvari boli cak do Srbije. Avijacija u 18. veku 🙂 , jel to istorijski "stand up" nastup ili "istorijski govor" ?

 

Nije to nepoznavanje, to je pogresno procitano. Ceo govor je napisan od strane nekog drugog, njegov zadatak je da ga procita kako treba. Ako pogledas sve sto je do sada rekao, nacin na koji govori, vokabular... ovaj govor je tudj 100/100. Aerodrom je prvo sto mu je izletelo sto je povezao sa "army," rec koju je verovatno uspeo da procita u tom momentu. Ovde i ovako mnogi misle (i pisu) da je on konstantno na aderelu (amfitamini) stimulans lek, da bi mogao da bude aktivan, ima koliko toliku koncentraciju.. 

 

 

Trampovi i samo Trampovi govori su iskljucivo o jednom - njemu. Poslusaj bilo koji preizborni govor, 150 reci u krug, kako su svi krs, ali je on fantastican... iz supljeg u prazno.

 

On ni na jednostavno pitanje ne moze da odgovori, ali svo vreme prica vec utabanim ritmom "me, myself and I" 

 

 

 

 

 

[Angelia]

Naravno, Rudi jeste ostario, ali nije izgubio pamcenje:

 

The three founders of the movement and hashtag are activists Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors and Opal Tometi, who have expanded the project into a national network of over 30 local chapter between 2014 and 2016.

BLM is a network run by umbrella organization Thousand Currents, which radical activist Susan Rosenberg serves as Vice Chair of the Board of Directors.

Black Lives Matter and Thousand Currents is yet to reply to DailyMail.com's request for comment. 

Rosenberg was an active part of far-left revolutionary terror organization May 19th Communist Organization (M19CO), which sought to over throw the US government through armed action and a people's militia. The group was a part of the Black Power Movement and the New Communist Movement.

She was arrested in 1984 in possession of weapons and explosives and sentenced to 58 years of imprisonment on the weapons and explosives charges. Giuliani was US Attorney of the Southern District of New York at the time.

She spent 16 years in jail, during which she emerged as an author and AIDS activist, and President Bill Clinton pardoned her on his final day in office on January 20, 2001. 

'Susan Rosenberg, who handles their finances is a convicted terrorist who was involved with the Black Panthers who used to slaughter police officers,' Giuliani said on the show. 

'This convicted terrorist was sentenced to 58 years. Clinton’s corrupt last hour pardon set her free. Now we are paying the price,' Giuliani, 76, tweeted Friday.

 

Interesatno, nema levih medija ni da pomenu:

 

Rosenberg was believed to have also played a role in Shakur’s escape from prison.

Garza wrote an article for the Feminist Wire in 2014 explaining that “when I use Assata’s powerful demand in my organizing work, I always begin by sharing where it comes from, sharing about Assata’s significance to the Black Liberation Movement, what it’s political purpose and message is, and why it’s important in our context.” Garza has repeatedly tweeted approvingly about Shakur.

Shakur is currently on the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorists List with a $1 million reward. A member of the revolutionary extremist group called the Black Liberation Army, Shakur is wanted for escaping from prison in New Jersey in 1979 while serving a life sentence for murdering a police officer during a traffic stop. In 1973, Shakur and two accomplices were stopped for a motor vehicle violation on the New Jersey Turnpike by two New Jersey State Police troopers. Shakur was wanted at the time for her role in a number of serious crimes, including bank robbery, so they opened fire on the officers, injuring one trooper and killing Werner Foerster execution-style at point-blank range. She was caught and sentenced but then escaped, making her way to Cuba in 1984.

 

I da ne zaboravimo, osnivaci BLM;

 

A 2017 report from Black Lives Matter describes its founders — Garza, Cullors, and Opal Tometi — as “three radical Black organizers.”

Cullors said that she and Garza are “trained Marxists” during a 2015 interview with the Real News Network, noting: “We are super versed on, sort of, ideological theories, and I think what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk.” Cullors told CNN's Jake Tapper in June that "Trump not only needs to not be in office in November, but he should resign now."

  

[deez nuts.]

Zapalio se camac u SD

[Klotzen]

Desantni brod, AKA laki nosač aviona USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD 6). Videćemo na koliko će ga ovo izbaciti iz upotrebe.

[Angelia]

Zena je sada bivsi zaposleni NY Times, posto je dala otkaz, a pre toga pisala za WSJ, i inace potpisnik A Letter on Justice and Open Debate (na prethodnoj strani) u ime zastite slobode govora. Nece kasnije biti da su samo neki na forumu primetili gde to ide unapred....Inace zena je politicki generalno centar.

 

Mozda ce nekoga konacno naterati na razmisljanje sta je u stvari extremno levicarenje....

 

BARI WEISS' FULL NYT RESIGNATION LETTER:  

Dear A.G.,

It is with sadness that I write to tell you that I am resigning from The New York Times.

I joined the paper with gratitude and optimism three years ago. I was hired with the goal of bringing in voices that would not otherwise appear in your pages: first-time writers, centrists, conservatives and others who would not naturally think of The Times as their home. The reason for this effort was clear: The paper's failure to anticipate the outcome of the 2016 election meant that it didn't have a firm grasp of the country it covers. Dean Baquet and others have admitted as much on various occasions. The priority in Opinion was to help redress that critical shortcoming.

I was honored to be part of that effort, led by James Bennet. I am proud of my work as a writer and as an editor. Among those I helped bring to our pages: the Venezuelan dissident Wuilly Arteaga; the Iranian chess champion Dorsa Derakhshani; and the Hong Kong Christian democrat Derek Lam. Also: Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Masih Alinejad, Zaina Arafat, Elna Baker, Rachael Denhollander, Matti Friedman, Nick Gillespie, Heather Heying, Randall Kennedy, Julius Krein, Monica Lewinsky, Glenn Loury, Jesse Singal, Ali Soufan, Chloe Valdary, Thomas Chatterton Williams, Wesley Yang, and many others.

But the lessons that ought to have followed the election—lessons about the importance of understanding other Americans, the necessity of resisting tribalism, and the centrality of the free exchange of ideas to a democratic society—have not been learned. Instead, a new consensus has emerged in the press, but perhaps especially at this paper: that truth isn't a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else.

Twitter is not on the masthead of The New York Times. But Twitter has become its ultimate editor. As the ethics and mores of that platform have become those of the paper, the paper itself has increasingly become a kind of performance space. Stories are chosen and told in a way to satisfy the narrowest of audiences, rather than to allow a curious public to read about the world and then draw their own conclusions. I was always taught that journalists were charged with writing the first rough draft of history. Now, history itself is one more ephemeral thing molded to fit the needs of a predetermined narrative.

My own forays into Wrongthink have made me the subject of constant bullying by colleagues who disagree with my views. They have called me a Nazi and a racist; I have learned to brush off comments about how I'm 'writing about the Jews again.' Several colleagues perceived to be friendly with me were badgered by coworkers. My work and my character are openly demeaned on company-wide Slack channels where masthead editors regularly weigh in. There, some coworkers insist I need to be rooted out if this company is to be a truly 'inclusive' one, while others post ax emojis next to my name. Still other New York Times employees publicly smear me as a liar and a bigot on Twitter with no fear that harassing me will be met with appropriate action. They never are.

There are terms for all of this: unlawful discrimination, hostile work environment, and constructive discharge. I'm no legal expert. But I know that this is wrong.

I do not understand how you have allowed this kind of behavior to go on inside your company in full view of the paper's entire staff and the public. And I certainly can't square how you and other Times leaders have stood by while simultaneously praising me in private for my courage. Showing up for work as a centrist at an American newspaper should not require bravery.

Part of me wishes I could say that my experience was unique. But the truth is that intellectual curiosity—let alone risk-taking—is now a liability at The Times. Why edit something challenging to our readers, or write something bold only to go through the numbing process of making it ideologically kosher, when we can assure ourselves of job security (and clicks) by publishing our 4000th op-ed arguing that Donald Trump is a unique danger to the country and the world? And so self-censorship has become the norm.

What rules that remain at The Times are applied with extreme selectivity. If a person's ideology is in keeping with the new orthodoxy, they and their work remain unscrutinized. Everyone else lives in fear of the digital thunderdome. Online venom is excused so long as it is directed at the proper targets.

Op-eds that would have easily been published just two years ago would now get an editor or a writer in serious trouble, if not fired. If a piece is perceived as likely to inspire backlash internally or on social media, the editor or writer avoids pitching it. If she feels strongly enough to suggest it, she is quickly steered to safer ground. And if, every now and then, she succeeds in getting a piece published that does not explicitly promote progressive causes, it happens only after every line is carefully massaged, negotiated and caveated.

It took the paper two days and two jobs to say that the Tom Cotton op-ed 'fell short of our standards.' We attached an editor's note on a travel story about Jaffa shortly after it was published because it 'failed to touch on important aspects of Jaffa's makeup and its history.' But there is still none appended to Cheryl Strayed's fawning interview with the writer Alice Walker, a proud anti-Semite who believes in lizard Illuminati.

The paper of record is, more and more, the record of those living in a distant galaxy, one whose concerns are profoundly removed from the lives of most people. This is a galaxy in which, to choose just a few recent examples, the Soviet space program is lauded for its 'diversity'; the doxxing of teenagers in the name of justice is condoned; and the worst caste systems in human history includes the United States alongside Nazi Germany.

Even now, I am confident that most people at The Times do not hold these views. Yet they are cowed by those who do. Why? Perhaps because they believe the ultimate goal is righteous. Perhaps because they believe that they will be granted protection if they nod along as the coin of our realm—language—is degraded in service to an ever-shifting laundry list of right causes. Perhaps because there are millions of unemployed people in this country and they feel lucky to have a job in a contracting industry.

Or perhaps it is because they know that, nowadays, standing up for principle at the paper does not win plaudits. It puts a target on your back. Too wise to post on Slack, they write to me privately about the 'new McCarthyism' that has taken root at the paper of record.

All this bodes ill, especially for independent-minded young writers and editors paying close attention to what they'll have to do to advance in their careers. Rule One: Speak your mind at your own peril. Rule Two: Never risk commissioning a story that goes against the narrative. Rule Three: Never believe an editor or publisher who urges you to go against the grain. Eventually, the publisher will cave to the mob, the editor will get fired or reassigned, and you'll be hung out to dry.

For these young writers and editors, there is one consolation. As places like The Times and other once-great journalistic institutions betray their standards and lose sight of their principles, Americans still hunger for news that is accurate, opinions that are vital, and debate that is sincere. I hear from these people every day. 'An independent press is not a liberal ideal or a progressive ideal or a democratic ideal. It's an American ideal,' you said a few years ago. I couldn't agree more. America is a great country that deserves a great newspaper.

None of this means that some of the most talented journalists in the world don't still labor for this newspaper. They do, which is what makes the illiberal environment especially heartbreaking. I will be, as ever, a dedicated reader of their work. But I can no longer do the work that you brought me here to do—the work that Adolph Ochs described in that famous 1896 statement: 'to make of the columns of The New York Times a forum for the consideration of all questions of public importance, and to that end to invite intelligent discussion from all shades of opinion.'

Ochs's idea is one of the best I've encountered. And I've always comforted myself with the notion that the best ideas win out. But ideas cannot win on their own. They need a voice. They need a hearing. Above all, they must be backed by people willing to live by them.

Sincerely,

Bari

[deez nuts.]

Solidan product placement. Free market na svom vrhuncu.

[Amigo]

Sasvim je moguce da bi pronalazak efikasne vakcine za covid-19 bio vjetar u ledja Trampu pred izbore. Berza ce poceti da skace, ljudi ce se vracati na posao, on ce to dobro da iskoristi.

Izbor Bidena bi bio katastrofalan za Srbiju, tako da se nadam ce Tramp biti ponovo izabran.

Konzervatizam je i onako u usponu u zapadnom svijetu, ljevica se svodi uglavnom na neke nebitne stvari za zivot gradjana, tipa rusenje spomenika iz proslosti. Cudno neko vrijeme.

[Kronostime]

30 minutes ago, Amigo said:

Sasvim je moguce da bi pronalazak efikasne vakcine za covid-19 bio vjetar u ledja Trampu pred izbore. Berza ce poceti da skace, ljudi ce se vracati na posao, on ce to dobro da iskoristi.

Izbor Bidena bi bio katastrofalan za Srbiju, tako da se nadam ce Tramp biti ponovo izabran.

Konzervatizam je i onako u usponu u zapadnom svijetu, ljevica se svodi uglavnom na neke nebitne stvari za zivot gradjana, tipa rusenje spomenika iz proslosti. Cudno neko vrijeme.

Za efikasnu vakcinu je potrebno mnogo vise vremena nego sto ima do izbora.

Sto se Srbije tice: mi  najebasmo od ovih nasih idiota - tako da nam izbori u USA niti pomazu, niti odmazu.

 

[mrd]

2 hours ago, Amigo said:

Izbor Bidena bi bio katastrofalan za Srbiju,

Zbog cega? On covek ni ne zna da Srbija postoji!

[nonick]

9 minutes ago, mrd said:

Zbog cega? On covek ni ne zna da Srbija postoji!

 

Ne znas ti to. Sa Trampom Srbija prosperira. 

[mrd]

Just now, nonick said:

 

Ne znas ti to. Sa Trampom Srbija prosperira. 

Ja ovde citam da Srbi, mislim oni iz Srbije, ovi drugi nikada nisu nista rekli, ne vole Trumpa, a sad eto Biden, koji je zaboravio kako mu se zove komsinica, katastrofalan za Srbiju. Stvarno sam krajnje zbunjen.

[nonick]

pa to je Klinton kontinuitet. Nikako dobro za Srbiju. Vidi sta je uradio Klinton, skinuo Slobu pa ljudi nisu znali sta ih je snaslo - dosta dugo im je trabalo i velike muke da se vrate na staro - mislim danasnji politicki misao. To vole.

O Klintonki da i ne pricamo.

 

[mrd]

1 minute ago, nonick said:

pa to je Klinton kontinuitet. Nikako dobro za Srbiju. Vidi sta je uradio Klinton, skinuo Slobu pa ljudi nisu znali sta ih je snaslo - dosta dugo im je trabalo i velike muke da se vrate na staro - mislim danasnji politicki misao. To vole.

O Klintonki da i ne pricamo.

 

To sam i ja mislio, ali zelim da cujem od njega. Ne zelim nikome da ucitavam, emotivno razmisljanje.

Sto se Bidena tice, rekao bih sa smo s'njime u pat poziciji. S'jedne strane imamo senilnu budalu, a s'druge strane majstora manipulacije i coveka bez dlake na jeziku, jednom reci nepoliticnog tipa, koga iz nekog razloga vecina hoce. Doslo je do toga da ga i demokrate i republikanci hoce. 😞

Najescemo se mi kokica i napiti Coca-Colla-e s'obojicom. 🙂 

[boxcube]

Kao i obicno levica ne razume sta se u svetu desava i kakve sve posledice imaju pogresne poruke u pogresno vreme.

 

 

[Amigo]

1 hour ago, nonick said:

 

Ne znas ti to. Sa Trampom Srbija prosperira. 

 

Bez veze ti je ovaj komentar, svi znamo sta je uradila administracija u kojima je Klinton klan vodio glavnu ulogu.

Tramp za ove skoro cetiri godine nije pokazao neprijateljske namjere prema Srbiji. Meni dovoljno.

Posto nisam stanovnik SAD, nije me mnogo briga kakvu Tramp vodi unutrasnju politiku, njihova stvar.

Plus nije ni jedan rat pokrenuo za svog mandata, sto je velika stvar.

Za razliku od njega Obama koji je imao oratorske sposobnosti i sirio neku kao pozitivnu pricu, i cak dobio Nobela za mir unaprijed, sto je nonsen, je radio strasne stvari, na hiljade ljudi je izgubilo zivote za vrijeme njegovog rezima i jedan je od direktnih krivaca za imigrantsku krizuu Evropi.

Znaci Obama je bio najobicniji lazov, koji je jedno pricao, a drugo radio.

 

[mrd]

3 minutes ago, Amigo said:

Posto nisam stanovnik SAD

Ja sam mislio da si ti Canadian, a ono USan.

 

4 minutes ago, Amigo said:

Znaci Obama je bio najobicniji lazov, koji je jedno pricao, a drugo radio.

Meni sad nije jasno, mi ovde zapenismo da objasnimo kako su dems lazovi. Ti si se uvek sukobio sa ovim misljenjem, a sad od jednom  kako @Babykaze postao trumpovac.

Ima li neko misljenje koje ti zastupas, a da imas argumente za to. Naravno cinjenica da ti je neko podavio macice, nikako ne moze da bude argument.

[Amigo]

3 minutes ago, mrd said:

Ja sam mislio da si ti Canadian, a ono USan.

 

Dobro si mislio.

 

3 minutes ago, mrd said:

Meni sad nije jasno, mi ovde zapenismo da objasnimo kako su dems lazovi. Ti si se uvek sukobio sa ovim misljenjem,

 

Izmisljas, onako ukratko.

 

3 minutes ago, mrd said:

a sad od jednom  kako @Babykaze postao trumpovac.

Ima li neko misljenje koje ti zastupas, a da imas argumente za to. Naravno cinjenica da ti je neko podavio macice, nikako ne moze da bude argument.

 

Posto nisi u stanju da vodis normalnu konzervaciju, onda te nih vise zadrzavao. 

I ne diraj mi @Baby

 

[nonick]

20 minutes ago, Amigo said:

 

Bez veze ti je ovaj komentar, svi znamo sta je uradila administracija u kojima je Klinton klan vodio glavnu ulogu.

 

 

 

4% growth annually, record number of job creation, signed NAFTA. Malo li je?

 

 

 

[RatzenStadt]

1 hour ago, nonick said:

pa to je Klinton kontinuitet. Nikako dobro za Srbiju. Vidi sta je uradio Klinton, skinuo Slobu pa ljudi nisu znali sta ih je snaslo - dosta dugo im je trabalo i velike muke da se vrate na staro - mislim danasnji politicki misao. To vole.

O Klintonki da i ne pricamo.

 

Jos samo da je malo manje militantne metode primenjivao ovde, zamenio bi pobednika na Kalisu 🤣