[USA] SJEDINJENE AMERIČKE DRŽAVE - unutrašnja politika i uticaj na svetska kretanja

[Kronostime]

1 hour ago, demag said:

 

Jadni ljudi u zapadnom svetu sa liberalnom ekonomijom.

Ponekad mi žao, što jadni ljudi nemaju dovoljno novaca za bijeg u socijalističke rajeve...poput Venezuele, Kube, S.Koreje.

 

Težak je život😉

Koje veze ima Yoyogijev post sa Venecuelom, Kubom i S.Korejom?

[Deep State]

Ruski prankeri ponovo u akciji. 😂

 

NATIONAL SECURITY

Lindsey Graham dishes on Trump in hoax calls with Russians

By NATASHA BERTRAND

10/10/2019 03:18 PM EDT

 

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham has in the last year become something of a congressional point man for President Donald Trump’s negotiations with Turkey, leading discussions on everything from Ankara’s purchase of a Russian missile system over the summer to their more recent incursion into northern Syria.

So when he received a call from a man he thought was Turkey’s minister of defense earlier in August, it didn’t strike him as unusual. “Thank you so much for calling me, Mr. Minister,” Graham said. “I want to make this a win-win, if we can.”

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But it wasn’t the Turkish defense minister at all. Instead, it was Alexey Stolyarov and Vladimir Kuznetsov, Russian pranksters with suspected ties to the country’s intelligence services who go by “Lexus and Vovan.” The duo have become notorious in recent years for their cold calls to unwitting, high-profile Western politicians, including Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, leading some to suspect that they’ve had help from the Kremlin, according to The Guardian. (A Schiff spokesman said at the time that the House Intelligence Committee “informed appropriate law enforcement and security personnel of the conversation.”)

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Kevin Bishop, a spokesman for Graham, confirmed the call’s authenticity to POLITICO. “We have been successful in stopping many efforts to prank Senator Graham and the office, but this one slipped through the cracks,” he said. “They got him.”

The substance of Graham’s conversation with Stolyarov, who was posing as Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar, is newly relevant in light of the South Carolina senator’s push for sanctions on Turkey as punishment for their offensive against the Kurds in northern Syria. Graham labeled the Kurds a “threat” to Turkey in the call, seemingly contradicting what he has said publicly in recent days.

Graham also mentions Trump’s personal interest in a “Turkish bank case” in the call that appears to refer to a U.S. case involving Reza Zarrab, an Iranian-Turkish gold trader and client of Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani. Bloomberg reported on Wednesday that Trump had asked then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in 2017 to help persuade the Justice Department to drop the Zarrab case.

The pranksters’ conversation with Graham, a Trump ally who has the president’s ear on national security issues, also raises obvious questions about potential security breaches. While the pranks appear on their face to have been relatively harmless, the incident suggests it’s getting easier for bad actors to elicit sensitive information from policymakers. Stolyarov provided POLITICO with a recording of their call.

In the call, Graham was primarily concerned with getting Turkey back into the F-35 program and urging the “defense minister” to refrain from using Russia’s S-400 anti-aircraft weapon system, which was fully delivered to Turkey last month in defiance of requests from the U.S. and NATO.

 

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But Graham also expressed sympathy for Turkey’s “Kurdish problem” and described the Kurds as a “threat.” Those private comments appear to contradict his public statements this week, in which he criticized Trump’s decision to pull U.S. troops out of northern Syria because it’s “wrong to abandon the Kurds, who have been strong allies against” the Islamic State.

“Your YPG Kurdish problem is a big problem,” Graham told the pranksters. He was referring to the Kurdish People’s Protection Units, a group that began fighting ISIS as part of the Syrian Democratic Forces in 2015—with support from the U.S.—but is considered a terrorist group by Turkey because of its push to establish an autonomous state for the Kurds on the Turkish-Syrian border.

“I told President Trump that Obama made a huge mistake in relying on the YPG Kurds,” Graham continued. “Everything I worried about has come true, and now we have to make sure Turkey is protected from this threat in Syria. I’m sympathetic to the YPG problem, and so is the president, quite frankly.”

Indeed, Trump acknowledged as much in a press conference on Wednesday, appearing to echo Graham’s private comments. “If you read today — a couple of reports saying that when President Obama started this whole thing,” Trump said. “As you know, it was started by President Obama; he created a natural war with Turkey and their longtime enemy, PKK. And they’re still there.” Turkey has been in conflict with the P.K.K., also known as the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, since the 1980s. Both Turkey and the U.S. consider it a terrorist organization.

After Trump issued a surprise statement on Sunday night announcing the removal of U.S. forces from northern Syria, Graham warned Turkey that the country would be sanctioned if it attacked the Kurds—which the Turkish military did just hours after American troops were removed from the area.

But on Wednesday, a senior adviser to Erdogan told CNN that Trump and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had “reached an understanding over precisely what this operation is” prior to Trump’s announcement.

The pranksters managed to get Graham on the phone again a few days after the first call. In the second call, Graham says he met with Trump to discuss what the “defense minister” had told him. “We want a better relationship with Turkey. That’s exactly what he wants,” Graham said, referring to Trump and again urging Turkey to rethink the S-400 purchase.

Graham then raised an issue that’s been top of mind for Erdogan for years—the U.S. case involving Zarrab, who was convicted in 2018 and sentenced to 32 months in prison stemming partly from bribes he paid to Turkish bank officers.

“And this case involving the Turkish bank, he’s very sensitive to that,” Graham said of Trump. “The president wants to be helpful, within the limits of his power.”

According to U.S. prosecutors, Zarrab and others used the Turkish bank Halkbank to “launder billions of dollars-worth of Iranian oil proceeds, ultimately creating a slush fund for Iran to use however it wished — the very harm that U.S. sanctions were put in place to avoid.” A senior banker at Halkbank was found guilty of working to evade sanctions on Iran, and Halbank itself could still face fines by the Treasury Department.

Zarrab also had ties to the Turkish government, according to a memo written in 2016 by former U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, and was “engaged in a massive bribery scheme... paying cabinet-level [Turkish] governmental officials and high-level bank officers tens of millions of Euro and U.S. dollars” to facilitate his transactions.

 

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Erdogan, wary of corruption being revealed in open court, fiercely lobbied high-level Obama administration officials for Zarrab's release after his 2016 arrest, the Washington Post reported at the time. At one point he even asked Vice President Joe Biden to have Bharara fired. Erdogan also sent his justice minister at the time to meet with then-Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch and argue that the case was "based on no evidence."

In the hoax call, Graham suggested that the president would try to help Erdogan regarding that case as best he could. “I like President Erdogan,” Graham told the pranksters. “I think President Trump likes President Erdogan. I think he’s a strong man and we need to deal with strong people."

Bishop, Graham’s spokesman, said in a statement that “it’s no secret Senator Graham has often traveled to Turkey and continued to speak with many members of Turkish government, including President Erdogan, about the relationship between our two countries."

"He has been clear he wants a stronger relationship and often talked about the importance of maintaining peace in northern Syria to prevent the reemergence of ISIS," Bishop added.

"With Turkey’s invasion into northern Syria the drive for better relations between our two countries has suffered a body blow. Turkey should immediately withdraw their military forces and America should reinstitute the safe zone concept to keep the peace in the region. Until this is done, Senator Graham will continue to push for severe, biting sanctions against Turkey."

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/10/lindsey-graham-trump-hoax-call-043991

 

[Yoyogi]

"Turkey should immediately withdraw their military forces and America should reinstitute the safe zone concept to keep the peace in the region. Until this is done, Senator Graham will continue to push for severe, biting sanctions against Turkey."

 

Samo ti njima podvikni. Koji je to autoritet! Tačno bi mogao da stavi šapku sa vojnog otpada i da ode na Slaviju da reguliše saobraćaj.

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

Znaci Grahamovo delo je ova odluka na precac da se povuku iz Sirije. Kakva raspala korumpirana banda. Sve bi ja njih u Gvantanamo Bej, pa nek drobe kamenje, za bolje nisu. Impicment je spa tretman za ono sto oni treba da dobiju. Prvo su privatizovali drzavu pa mafijase. 

 

Ko zna sta se sve tu valja iza brda kada svaki dan ispliva ovoliko govana od kada se pojavio zvizdac. 

 

[Angelia]

1 hour ago, Baby said:

 

Ko zna sta se sve tu valja iza brda kada svaki dan ispliva ovoliko govana od kada se pojavio zvizdac. 

 

Nema tu neke novosti, sta se prica u telefonskim razgovorima izmedju politicara i na privatnim sastancima nema veze sa onim sta se pojavljuje u javnosti.

Ili da se setimo Obaminog "samo da prodju izbori pa cu moci da budem flexibilniji".

Iskreno receno, i ne treba da bude javno, zato sto smo laici u tom poslu, i zato sto smo glasali za politicare da bave time.

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

5 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Nema tu neke novosti, sta se prica u telefonskim razgovorima izmedju politicara i na privatnim sastancima nema veze sa onim sta se pojavljuje u javnosti.

Ili da se setimo Obaminog "samo da prodju izbori pa cu moci da budem flexibilniji".

Iskreno receno, i ne treba da bude javno, zato sto smo laici u tom poslu, i zato sto smo glasali za politicare da bave time.

 

Pa naravno da neke stvari ne mogu i ne treba da budu javne i to je tako u svakoj drzavi, ali jedini razlog tome je ugrozavanje sigurnosti. 

Ovde se desava upravo suprotno, ugrozava se sigurnost zarad licne dobiti i to treba da izadje na videlo, stoji u ustavu. Da nije tako, jednog dana legnes u US u krevet, sutradan se probudis u Rusiji. 

[Angelia]

15 minutes ago, Baby said:

 

Pa naravno da neke stvari ne mogu i ne treba da budu javne i to je tako u svakoj drzavi, ali jedini razlog tome je ugrozavanje sigurnosti. 

Ovde se desava upravo suprotno, ugrozava se sigurnost zarad licne dobiti i to treba da izadje na videlo, stoji u ustavu. Da nije tako, jednog dana legnes u US u krevet, sutradan se probudis u Rusiji. 

Nije sigurnost jedini razlog. Tu se prave dilovi koji ne mogu da se objasnjavaju javnosti, koja nema pojma sta sve utice na te dilove.

Graham rekao Turcima (ili mislio da je turski ministar) nesto, a u javnosti rekao nesto drugo.... Diplomatija, politika.

Sad pricaju kako eto Tramp ostavio Johnsona sa ovom pricom da nece da isporuci zenu sa diplomatskim imunitetom. Niko ne kaze da je Tramp (mozda) nazvao Borisa i rekao "e burazeru to nema sanse da se desi, jer ja ako isporucim americkog gradjanina i to jos sa diplomatskim imunitetom, necu preziveti izbore".

 

Bold, preterujes, postoji mnogo mehanizama koji sprecavaju to u US sistemu. Gde je to ugrozena sigurnost zarad licne dobiti?

 

I pazi sad, ja sam recimo protiv povlacenja iz Sirije, imam svoje razloge zasto tako mislim. 

 

Ako pricas o Bidenu, opet sigurnost nigde nije bila ugrozena, Tramp pitao da ispitaju optuzbe o korupciji, te optuzbe su se pojavile i pre - to sto se Biden kandidovao, ga ne stiti od istrage. Pa Trampa nije stitila ni pozicija predsednika.

 

Ovo je sve zabava za mase, politika. A oni - glumci u predstavi.

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

1 hour ago, Angelia said:

 

 

Bold, preterujes, postoji mnogo mehanizama koji sprecavaju to u US sistemu. Gde je to ugrozena sigurnost zarad licne dobiti?

 

 

Pa vidi, zavisi kako gledas. Ako gledas na tvoju ulicu, nije ti ugrozena sigurnost. Ako gledas na celokupnu svetsku situaciju, tu vec postaje diskutabilno. On krsi ugovore, dogovore i alijanse zarad svojih hotela i raznih dilova. Mislis da ce Evropa da mirno posmatra i poljubi Trampa u dupe zato sto je on predsednik US? Mislim, remeti kompletnu ravnotezu praveci neke nove alijanse sa prirodnim neprijateljima koji su se odrzavali u status quo, relativno dobro (mislim na Ruse). Odjednom izgleda da Amerika bas i nije vise toliko alergicna na komunizam (ok, socijalizam) ako gledas sa kim on ocijuka (Putin, Orban, Kim...). Pritom pokusava da zaustavi vreme koje je odavno proslo remeti globalnu ekonomiju. To se uglavnom vraca sve kao bumerang, bice fantasticno ako se taj bumerang izbegne. To nisu stvari koje se osete i vide od danas do sutra, ali u momentu kada se budu osetile, bice tesko vratiti na staro. 

 

Za neke zakljucke ipak mora malo sira slika da se pogleda. Evo, fantasticna ekonomija, a na drugu stranu koja je drzava odrzala fantasticnu ekonomiju kada je pocela proizvodnja da joj se polako gasi? Znaci, pitanje je vremena. 

Imas gomilu vesti da ekonomisti optuzuju (napisala sam koji post gore) kompletnu milenijumsku generaciju koja iz straha steti, nece da vrte novac (sto je baza za kapital). Nece, boje se, boje se sta ce da se desi, jasno im je gde zapinje. 

 

Niska nezaposlenost. Sta je cilj, 0%? Za zdravu ekonomiju prirodna nezaposlenost je 4-6%. Niska nezaposlenost vodi u inflaciju. Prozvodjaci (sto se i desava pri gasenju proizvodnje trenutno) su prinudjeni da zadrzavaju radnu snagu (pogotovo gde sve manje postoja moguce da se ilegalci zaposle, a papiri se imigrante sve teze dobijaju) po svaku cenu koja ne moze da im odradi sta im treba, a nemaju izbora na trzistu za druge. Pritom cena rada raste za losu ponudu radne snage. 

 

Sve to sto Tramp radi je bezveze, prica za budale koje treba da mu daju glas i da ga odrze u fotelji dok on tvituje i cini razne (cesto neke koje ce imati katastrofalne posledice) usluge nekim diskutabilnim likovima po svetu zarad njegove licne koristi. Cak se ni ne trudi da to sakrije, jer misli da mu ta fotelja to sve dozvoljava. To je mozda najalarmantnije od svega. 

 

Svi oni koji tako vole Trampa da ga puste pa cak i uzivaju u ovom sto radi, jer po njima on bas lepo prica (onako prostacki i otvoreno, ne hebe nikog zivog) treba da stave prst na celo jer on mora otici kada tada. Sta ce za sobom ostaviti ne znam ali znam da nece biti Great America, i da ce doci neki novi predsednik kojim je ovaj uklonio sve prepreke za divljanje na poziciji. Sto duze ostane ovde, sansa da dodje AOC je sve veca. Sta ce nju da spreci da odradi sve sto je zamislila onda. Nista, ustav vise ne postoji. 

[demag]

12 hours ago, Kronostime said:

Koje veze ima Yoyogijev post sa Venecuelom, Kubom i S.Korejom?

 

Nema veze

Drugim riječima, nije baš tako loše u liberalnim ekonomijama.

[melankolic]

 
Pa naravno da neke stvari ne mogu i ne treba da budu javne i to je tako u svakoj drzavi, ali jedini razlog tome je ugrozavanje sigurnosti. 
Ovde se desava upravo suprotno, ugrozava se sigurnost zarad licne dobiti i to treba da izadje na videlo, stoji u ustavu. Da nije tako, jednog dana legnes u US u krevet, sutradan se probudis u Rusiji. 

Poenta cele njegove migrantske politike ka spolja jeste ugrožavanje temelja EU koji su ionako načeti istočnoevropskim populizmom.
S tim u vezi ovo sa Sirijom shvatam kao njegovu nameru da se pokrene izbeglički talas Kurda iz Sirije ka zemljama EU, što je zajednički interes i Rusije (destabilizacija EU i ukidanje nepravednih ničim izazvanih sankcija ™ ).
Lik sve radi u interesu Rusije.

[Yoyogi]

Erdogan je podviknuo EU da njegovu intervenciju ne naziva invazijom inače ima da otvori vrata i pošalje im 2 miliona Sirijaca iz Turske.

Te iste Sirijce, 2 miliona njih, namerava da naseli kada počisti Kurde u baš taj kraj i da oni budu garant da se Kurdi nikada ne oporave i postanu većina. 

 

[demag]

46 minutes ago, melankolic said:

 

Poenta cele njegove migrantske politike ka spolja jeste ugrožavanje temelja EU koji su ionako načeti istočnoevropskim populizmom.
S tim u vezi ovo sa Sirijom shvatam kao njegovu nameru da se pokrene izbeglički talas Kurda iz Sirije ka zemljama EU, što je zajednički interes i Rusije (destabilizacija EU i ukidanje nepravednih ničim izazvanih sankcija ).
Lik sve radi u interesu Rusije.

 

 

Kritika Trumpa od strane Baby i tebe, stoji.

Samo mi se čini da od te mržnje prema Trumpu, imate greške u koracima...

 

Nije Trump pokrenuo ratove u Siriji i Libiji, nego Nobelovac Obama.

Nije Trump suspendirao zakone EU i kompletnih država, nego Njemačka i frau Merkel

Nije Trump zakuho Ukrajinski lonac, nego eto opet Nobelovac sa saveznicima (UK,Ger,Fra)

Nije Trump počeo šurovati sa Rusima na štetu svojih saveznika, nego opet Njemačka, tzv.energetike politike.

 

Temelje EU nije načeo Trump ili populizam istočne EU, nego opet Njemačka, prvenstveno iz pozicije guranja globalne sile preko leđa kompletne EU.

 

Možemo kritizirati Trumpa ali malo preciznosti ne bi falilo

 

Edited October 11, 2019 by demag

[melankolic]

 

Kritika Trumpa od strane Baby i tebe, stoji.

Samo mi se čini da od te mržnje prema Trumpu, imate greške u koracima...

 

Nije Trump pokrenuo ratove u Siriji i Libiji, nego Nobelovac Obama.

Nije Trump suspendirao zakone EU i kompletnih država, nego Njemačka i frau Merkel

Nije Trump zakuho Ukrajinski lonac, nego eto opet Nobelovac sa saveznicima (UK,Ger,Fra)

Nije Trump počeo šurovati sa Rusima na štetu svojih saveznika, nego opet Njemačka, tzv.energetike politike.

 

Temelje EU nije načeo Trump ili populizam istočne EU, nego opet Njemačka, prvenstveno iz pozicije guranja globalne sile preko leđa kompletne EU.

 

Možemo kritizirati Trumpa ali malo preciznosti ne bi falilo

 

 

Kako da ti kažem, isto tako možemo reći da rat u Jugoslaviji nije započeo Milošević nego Slovenci koji su napustili Sednicu CKSKJ, Hrvati sa neoustašenjem, Tuđmanom i izbacivanjem iz Ustava Hrvatske Srba kao konstitutivnog naroda, ubistvo srpskog svata u Bosni ili onaj incident sa flašom na Kosovu. Za sve može da se pronađe izgovor. Eto, ni Hitler ne bi došao na vlast u Nemačkoj da Nemačka nije bila kažnjena nakon poraza u WWI.

 

Mani me se tih priča. Jasno je da je diktator Asad u saradnji sa Putinom najodgovorniji za masakr civila u Siriji. Asad je isto tako odgovoran za jačanje ISIS- a jer je više ubijao sopstvenu (naoružanu) opoziciju nego isisovce.

Sirija je jedna država u raspadu, kao i Irak i Avganistan i u svakoj od tih država se pokazalo da je povlačenje ili smanjenje oružanih snaga USA bilo fatalno za opštu bezbednost i suzbijanje terorizma.

Imaš izjave i Erdogana i Trumpa koji sad prebacuju loptu u dvorište EU (izbeglice) a oni sami su izazvali ovo haotično stanje.

Takođe, Trump izjavljuje da će Turskoj uvesti “stroge sankcije” (kako?) ili će dovesti američke trupe u Siriju radi zaštite Kurda ukoliko se ne uspostavi dijalog između Turske i sirijskih Kurda. Ko ovde koga zajebava, da izvineš?

[Angelia]

8 hours ago, Baby said:

Nista, ustav vise ne postoji. 

Za pocetak, izvini, napisala si dosta i stvarno zahteva ozbiljniji odgovor, samo sto trenutno nemam vremena, pa kasnije kad budem imala.

Ova zadnja recenica, medjutim, ima veoma kratak odgovor. 

Izvini ali ko je zapoceo ignorisanje ustava? Pa Obama, sa njegovim executive orders - i stvorio mogucnost da predsednik to radi, cesce nego je bilo uobicajeno. Nemoj da sad sve skrsimo na Trampova vrata, on je ipak tu manje od 3 godine. Uz to nije on stvorio atmosferu gde cvetaju AOC i ostale socijalististicke/komunisticke ideje, nego Obama.

Na kraju krajeva, i Tramp je posledica Obaminog vremena. Samo sto niko nije hteo da kritikuje "mesiju", nego kao zaba u loncu, polako se kuvala i evo rezultata. 

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

1 hour ago, Angelia said:

Za pocetak, izvini, napisala si dosta i stvarno zahteva ozbiljniji odgovor, samo sto trenutno nemam vremena, pa kasnije kad budem imala.

Ova zadnja recenica, medjutim, ima veoma kratak odgovor. 

Izvini ali ko je zapoceo ignorisanje ustava? Pa Obama, sa njegovim executive orders - i stvorio mogucnost da predsednik to radi, cesce nego je bilo uobicajeno. Nemoj da sad sve skrsimo na Trampova vrata, on je ipak tu manje od 3 godine. Uz to nije on stvorio atmosferu gde cvetaju AOC i ostale socijalististicke/komunisticke ideje, nego Obama.

Na kraju krajeva, i Tramp je posledica Obaminog vremena. Samo sto niko nije hteo da kritikuje "mesiju", nego kao zaba u loncu, polako se kuvala i evo rezultata. 

 

Vidi, prebacivanjem krivice na nekog drugog se ne brise sopstvena krivica. 

Obama nije sebe doveo u ovakvu situaciju da bi mogli da komentarisemo sa paralelom.

1. Tramp, tj cela ta njegova administracija pokusava da zaustavi svedoka da dodje da svedoci.

2. Utice na sudije da raspuste sudjenje (slucaj tursko iranskog trgovca) 

3. Na sve to glavni drzavni tuzilac pokusava da predstavi sve kao da nije obstrukcija pravde koristeci polozaj na kom se nalazi. 

Ignorisi da je Tramp u pitanju, neka je bilo ko drugi u toj poziciji, verujem da znas sta to znaci.

4. Cela bela kuca odbija da prihvati optuzbu i spinuju da je neustavno gledati da li je predsednik prekrsio ustav. Primer: recimo, ti si optuzena da si opljackala banku, dobijes poziv za sud, a tvoj advokat kaze da neces da ucestvujes u tome jer ti se ne dopada optuzba. Moze li to tako?

 

Tramp ovog momenta moze samo da se poredi sa Niksonom. 

 

 

Edited October 11, 2019 by Baby

[demag]

9 hours ago, melankolic said:

Mani me se tih priča. Jasno je da je diktator Asad u saradnji sa Putinom najodgovorniji za masakr civila u Siriji. Asad je isto tako odgovoran za jačanje ISIS- a jer je više ubijao sopstvenu (naoružanu) opoziciju nego isisovce.

Sirija je jedna država u raspadu, kao i Irak i Avganistan i u svakoj od tih država se pokazalo da je povlačenje ili smanjenje oružanih snaga USA bilo fatalno za opštu bezbednost i suzbijanje terorizma.

Imaš izjave i Erdogana i Trumpa koji sad prebacuju loptu u dvorište EU (izbeglice) a oni sami su izazvali ovo haotično stanje.

Takođe, Trump izjavljuje da će Turskoj uvesti “stroge sankcije” (kako?) ili će dovesti američke trupe u Siriju radi zaštite Kurda ukoliko se ne uspostavi dijalog između Turske i sirijskih Kurda. Ko ovde koga zajebava, da izvineš?

 

Opet ću ponoviti, nemam ništa protiv kritike politike D.Trumpa.

Ali stvarno mislim da nema smisla pljuvati po Trumpu, tek toliko da se pljune.

 

Ovako kako ti pišeš, ispada da su ljudi na Bliskom istoku bacali cvijeće i onda došao zločesti Trump i eto sranja. 

 

Želim ti kazati da je tamo zamršena politika, to što vi niste kritizirali Obamu, to je vaš problem a ne Trumpov. (razumijem da morate nadoknaditi pasivnost)

Teško je sada popraviti uništeno

 

p.s. a EU nije svojim postupcima izazvala kaos? Pogotovo UK, GER i FRA?

 

 

Edited October 11, 2019 by demag

[bohumilo]

Istrazivacko novinarstvo otkrilo da je americki gradjanin Dzozef Bajden zloupotrebio sluzbeni polozaj u cilju protivpravnog ostvarivanje licne koristi. Lice je u vise navrata zaposljavalo svoga sina (koji je bez ikakvog iskustvao 'zaradjivao' ogromne pare) u sumnjivim paradrzavnim kompanijama (konkretno od gasne kompanije Burisma Holdings (koju je osnovao ukrajinski ministar 'okolisa') mladi Bajden je primio 850 000 zelenih), a onda koristilo sluzbeni polozaj i novac americkih poreskih obveznika za uticanje na ukrajinsko tuzilastvo u slucaju protiv kompanije u kojoj mu je zaposljeno djete. Gospodin predsenik je od americkih gradjana dobio mandat da ih zastiti od ovakvih mufjuza i da postavi neke profesionalne i moralne kriterijume za obnasanje javnih fukncija, zato ima puno pravo da trazi i podrzi Ukrajinske organe pravde da isteraju ovaj slucaj do kraja.

 

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At one point, the U.S. threatened to withhold a $1 billion loan guarantee unless Shokin was removed from office. Biden delivered the message directly to Ukrainian officials. “If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,” he told them, according to an account of the conversation he gave at a 2018 conference. Shokin was ousted in March 2016, and the loan guarantee came through.

 

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Joe Biden has said that he’s never spoken with his son about his foreign business dealings. ...

Opa:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-25/here-s-what-we-know-about-joe-and-hunter-biden-in-ukraine

 

O ovome su cak ranije pisali i lazni mediji, recimo NYT, pre nego sto su postali dvorska oglasna tabla i poceli da odjekuju i reaguju...

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On 10/7/2019 at 7:45 PM, Amigo said:

Tramp digao ruke, povlači se američka vojska: Vreme da izađemo iz smešnih i beskrajnih ratova

 

Paradoksi SAD. Oni koje sebe nazivaju liberali pocinju ratove sa istom lakocom kao desno krilo konzervativaca, dok je stav Trampa dijametralno suprotan, sto je govorio jos u predizbornoj kampanji.

 

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181227885841002496
 

Bravo za Trampa, ovo je velika, kljucna stvar, i jedna od najvaznijih politika koju je inaugurisao jos u predizbornoj kampanji (i zbog koje je dobio izbore), i predstvalja vracanje izvornoj, dzefersonijanskoj spoljnoj politici SAD. Tramp razume ono sto je jos Ciceron znao, da je rat najveci neprijatelj ljudske slobode cak i kad se ne vodi na domacem terenu, rat razara civilizaciju, mirnodopske dobrovoljne ljudske interakcije, trgovinu, rat je nerazdojivo vezan uz inflaciju, razara valutu, povecanje uoge drzave u ekonomiji (svaki veliki korak drzavnog preuzimanja konrole nad novcem iz ruku privatnog sektora - od otvaranja centralnih banaka do ukudanja realne podloge za novac je se desavao u ratu i pod izgovorom rata), rat je jedan veliki kejnzijanski investicioni poduhvat koje uvek obicnog coveka cini siromasnijim i manje slobodnim. A i uvek je lepo cuti lelek ratnih huskaca, profitera i njihovih pridvorica - daleko lepse od zvuka ratnih aviona, bombi i leleka majki poginulih civila ili vojnika.

Edited October 11, 2019 by bohumilo

[Angelia]

16 minutes ago, bohumilo said:

Tramp razume ono sto je jos Ciceron znao,

Dobro sad i ti ode predaleko  Tramp razume da rat kosta para i da US cesto ulazi u ratove zarad svojih saveznika, i legitimno kaze necu da bacam pare na tudje probleme. 

Ne bih rekla da je to tako jednostavno kako on zamislja, ali razumem logiku. 

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

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TRUMP: "Are you ready? Saudi Arabia at my request has agreed to pay us for everything we are doing. That is a first. Saudi Arabia, and other countries soon now, but Saudi Arabia has agreed to pay us for everything we are doing to help them and we appreciate that."

 

 

 

 

 

Saudiska Arabija rentirala US vojsku.

 

 

 

[Yoyogi]

Kuvajt je platio 22 milijarde dolara Americi (pod Bušom starijim) da istera Irak 1990/1991.

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Preporucio bih ovaj clanak:

 

Four Different Federal Courts Told Trump to Go F*ck Himself

 

https://www.wonkette.com/yesterday-four-different-federal-courts-told-trump-to-go-f-ck-himself

[Squabbit]

Ima li komentara na fotke gospodze od gazde CNN-a Caryn Zucker sa Ghislaine Maxwell?
:) 

[djole]

On 10/12/2019 at 1:44 AM, Baby said:

 

 

 

Imbecil. Dovoljno je samo poslušati kako se izražava da bi se to shvatilo. A što se tiče no more stupid wars, neću ni da trošim reči.

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On 10/11/2019 at 2:14 PM, bohumilo said:

 

 

Opa:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-25/here-s-what-we-know-about-joe-and-hunter-biden-in-ukraine

 

O ovome su cak ranije pisali i lazni mediji, recimo NYT, pre nego sto su postali dvorska oglasna tabla i poceli da odjekuju i reaguju...

 

 

 A jesu li ti "lazni" midiji napisali ko je na slici, posto "nelazni" mediji su slagali?

 

1 hour ago, djole said:

 

Imbecil. Dovoljno je samo poslušati kako se izražava da bi se to shvatilo. A što se tiče no more stupid wars, neću ni da trošim reči.

 

Uzas. Mislim da oni sa osnovnom skolom imaju bolji recnik i veci vokabular od ovog debila.

 

Meni nije jasno ko se odusevljava njegovim govorima? Pre neki dan u Minesoti je stenjao na bini, simulirao seks. Masa se smejala, meni nekako bilo otuzno i jadno.

[Angelia]

PROJECT VERITAS VIDEO: CNN Head Appears To Admit Network Pushing Impeachment, Has ‘Personal Vendetta Against Trump,’ Employee Says

By  Ryan Saavedra

DailyWire.com

  A contractor working at CNN came forward on Monday and released videos that they recorded of CNN President Jeff Zucker appearing to admit that the network is pushing the agenda of the Democrat Party by making all their news coverage about “moves towards impeachment” and telling CNN employees that the only coverage he wants is “impeachment.”

The contractor, Cary Poarch, released the videos through James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas, which has a history of releasing damaging video content of left-wing figures and organizations admitting a wide range of things that often conflict with what they say publicly.

“I decided to wear a hidden camera … to expose the bias running rampant,” Poarch said.

Poarch recorded CNN company meetings where Zucker appears to admit that CNN is essentially pushing the agenda of the Democrat Party by giving non-stop coverage to impeachment and by stating that all news coverage is about “moving toward impeachment.”

“I want to stay with this, our top, top — our own reporters, our own political analysts, the top, the top [unintelligible] we have,” Zucker says. “All these moves are moves towards impeachment.”

“Let’s just stay very focused on impeachment,” Zucker adds. “We’re moving towards impeachment … all these moves are moves towards impeachment.”

Zucker tells employees to “knock off” their friendliness toward South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham.

The videos also seem to demonstrate a culture of bias at CNN.

CNN media coordinator Nick Neville says on an undercover video that Zucker “has a personal vendetta against Trump” and that he “blatantly hates Trump” and that it impacts CNN’s news coverage of the president.

“He hates him,” Neville says, adding that Zucker’s hatred for Trump means that CNN is going to give “negative” news coverage to the president.

Neville later appears to lament the way that the network covers the news as entertainment, saying: “But then you have higher up executives, like Zucker and other people, who are saying, ‘Well, we gotta make profits.’ So, you end up with things like — I don’t know if you heard this, but this week they had like a f***ing game show to, like, decide what dates they’re, it’s gonna be this debate.”

CNN floor manager Mike Brevna says that after Trump won the 2016 presidential election that people were “sobbing” around the office and people were “in shock.”

“That day, man, when I came in, everyone was silent,” CNN media coordinator Christian Sierra said. “Nobody wanted to talk. I’m like, like the mood was just so sour the whole day … . It was a f**king dreary day.”

Sierra admitted that CNN’s television personalities hate the president, saying: “Cooper hates him,” “Don Lemon hates him,” “[Andrew] Cuomo doesn’t like him,” and Jake Tapper “doesn’t like him either.”

Later Sierra admitted that the network does not cover Democrats and Republicans the same way during interviews.

“We’re tough on the Republicans,” Sierra said. “More so than the Democrats. Our Democratic interviews are like softballs, compared to the Republicans … if you notice like every time, we ask questions to Republicans, like it’s always a little tougher than when we do get the Democrats.”

David Chalian, CNN’s Vice President and Political Director, also appeared to attack Republicans, saying: “I think as big of a story as what President Trump has done here is the Republican’s sort of either delusional or defiant or silent responses.”

CNN has not issued a response to the Project Veritas videos as of publication.

 

 

Ovo je valjda trebala da bude vest kao da svi ne znaju, da su mediji bias.