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8 hours ago, wwww said:

interesantno je kako Nadal insistira da je njemu najveci rival Federer :classic_biggrin: A Endi i Novak ih gotovo stigli u mecevima.

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Da su Endi i Novak odigrali barem po dva meča godišnje , što bi bilo realno  jer je  i Endi bio konkurentan u svim uslovima , bili bi blizu Federera i Novaka.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Keira said:

Da su Endi i Novak odigrali barem po dva meča godišnje , što bi bilo realno  jer je  i Endi bio konkurentan u svim uslovima , bili bi blizu Federera i Novaka.

 

 

Ma gde dva, da je Endi ostao zdrav, to bi svake godine bilo bar 4 duela. Verujem i da bi Endi isto fino ostario, s obzirom da na okolnosti on ovako grize i bori, pokazuje fin tenis. Ne znam zašto imam osećaj, ali verujem da je imao i on potencijal da napravi dominaciju sa 30+ godina, s obzirom na konstantu i nivo u 2016. godini. Medvedev bi mogao eventualno da mu parira na tvrdoj podlozi, ostale bi jeo za doručak (mlađi igrači), niti bi Rafa uzeo ova dva poslednja slema na tvrdoj podlozi da je bio prisutan Endi.

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Nije to neka ozbiljna projekcija, prosto  sam uzela očekivani manji  broj

Skoro sam gledala statistiku broj  odigranih mečeva po sezonama za big 3, Djokovic Nadal najviše odigrali 2007 i 2009 7 mečeva,2008.2011.2013 6, Djokovic Federer najviše 8, 2015 (rekorderi za big 3), Nadal Federer  2006 6. U sva tri postoji tendencija da se poslednjih godina broj mečeva smanjuje.  

Treba uzeti u obzir i žrebove , kao i da recimo mogućnost da Endi ranije ispadne. Dešavalo mu se i u najboljim danima.

 

U suštini zadovoljna sam ,za moj ukus sasvim dovoljno mečeva sa Endijem:classic_biggrin:. . Zbog kvaliteta BH , returna , i vrhunske defanzive obojice. match up Novak-Endi je sa mog stanoviša  naporan 😬

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W/O predaje (big 4)
sustignut Rafa, borba za liderstvo u ovoj kategoriji sve neizvesnija  🙂

 
6 Nadal
2004. Estoril QF vs Labadze, walkover
2012. Miami SF vs Murray, walkover - left knee
2016. Roland Garros 3R vs Granollers, walkover - left wrist
2017. Bercy QF vs Krajinovic, walkover - right knee
2019. Indian Wells SF vs Federer, walkover - right knee
2019. Bercy SF vs Shapovalov, walkover - abdominal strain

 

6 Murray
2008. Queen's QF vs Roddick, walkover
2009. Dubai QF vs Gasquet, walkover - viral illness
2012. Toronto 3R vs Raonic, walkover - left knee
2013. Roma 3R vs Goffin, walkover - fatigue
2018. Washington QF vs De Minaur, walkover - fatigue
2022. Madrid 3R vs Djokovic, walkover
 
5 Federer
2008. Bercy QF vs Blake, walkover - back
2012. Doha SF vs Tsonga, walkover - back
2014. Masters Cup F vs Djokovic, walkover - back
2019. Roma QF vs Tsitsipas, walkover - right leg
2021. Roland Garros 4R vs Berrettini, walkover

 

1 Djokovic
2011. Bercy QF vs Tsonga, walkover - right shoulder

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Novak u najvise navrata slavio tako sto su protivnici predavali meceve,

tesko ce mu ubuduce neko prici i u ovoj stavci.

 

Most wins by walkover or retirement

40 Djokovic (14 w/o, 26 ret.)

35 Federer (14 w/o, 21 ret.)

33 Nadal (11 w/o, 22 ret.)

27 Murray (9 w/o, 18 ret.)

23 Nastase (13 w/o, 10 ret.)

23 L.Hewitt (3 w.o, 20 ret.)

23 F.Lopez (5 w/o, 18 ret.)

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17 hours ago, Dracarys said:

A karijeru još nije završio, ima još nekoliko godina ispred sebe, doduše sa dosta manje mečeva.

 

uopste me ne bi zacudilo da tu cifru dotera do 50 u godinama koje slede, svedoci smo su mecevi kao i sami sport sve zahtevniji.

 

ali sto ti je ironija,
od pakosnih strelica na njegov racun dok je bio klinac, postade igrac kom su protivnici najvise bezali sa lopate u istoriji igre.  tjah

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Pobede i porazi nakon spasenih i propustenih mec lopti  (big4)

 

       

 Djokovic 15-3

         saved MP-s & won                                                   wasted MP-s & lost

    2005 vs Garcia-Lopez (6 MP) Wimbledon 2R     2007 vs Youzhny (3 MP) Rotterdam SF
    2007 vs Chela (2 MP) Vienna QF                           2009 vs Nadal (3 MP) Madrid SF
    2009 vs Serra (5 MP) Halle 2R                                2018 vs Cilic (1 MP) Queens F
    2009 vs Stepanek (3 MP) Basel SF
    2010 vs Kohlschreiber (3 MP) Indian Wells 3R
    2010 vs Federer (2 MP) US Open SF
    2011 vs Federer (2 MP) US Open SF
    2011 vs Berdych (1 MP) Masters Cup RR
    2012 vs Tsonga (4 MP) Roland Garros QF
    2012 vs Murray (5 MP) Shanghai F
    2015 vs Gulbis (2 MP) Montreal QF
    2017 vs Verdasco (5 MP) Doha SF
    2019 vs Del Potro (2 MP) Rome QF
    2019 vs Federer (2 MP) Wimbledon F
    2020 vs Monfils (3 MP) Dubai SF


 Murray 13-6

        saved MP-s & won                                                   wasted MP-s & lost

    2006 vs Mello (5 MP) Newport 1R                       2008 vs Ancic (2 MP) Miami 2R
    2007 vs Haas (2 MP) Indian Wells QF                 2010 vs Querrey (1 MP) Los Angeles F
    2007 vs Mathieu (2 MP) Miami 4R                      2012 vs Raonic (2 MP) Tokyo SF
    2007 vs Youzhny (1 MP) Saint Petersburg SF  2012 vs Djokovic (5 MP) Shanghai F
    2013 vs Ferrer (1 MP) Miami F                              2012 vs Janowicz (1 MP) Paris-Bercy 3R
    2014 vs Isner (2 MP) Cincinnati 3R                     2021 vs Koepfer (7 MP) Paris-Bercy 1R
    2014 vs Robredo (5 MP) Shenzhen F
    2014 vs Robredo (5 MP) Valencia F
    2015 vs Dimitrov (1 MP) Cincinnati 3R
    2016 vs Raonic (1 MP) Masters Cup SF
    2017 vs Kohlschreiber (7 MP) Dubai QF
    2020 vs Nishioka (1 MP) US Open 1R
    2021 vs Tiafoe (2 MP) Antwerp 1R


 Nadal 17-8

        saved MP-s & won                                                    wasted MP-s & lost

    2005 vs Youzhny (1 MP) Australian Open 2R    2003 vs Lapentti (5 MP) Bastad QF
    2006 vs O.Rochus (1 MP) Marseille 1R                2004 vs Calleri (2 MP) Indian Wells 3R
    2006 vs Federer (2 MP) Rome F                           2004 vs Ferrer (3 MP) Stuttgart QF
    2008 vs Moya (4 MP) Chennai SF                       2005 vs Berdych (3 MP) Cincinnati 1R
    2009 vs Nalbandian (5 MP) Indian Wells 4R      2010 vs Davydenko (2 MP) Doha F
    2009 vs Djokovic (3 MP) Madrid SF                   2015 vs Raonic (3 MP) Indian Wells QF
    2009 vs Almagro (5 MP) Paris-Bercy 2R            2016 vs Thiem (1 MP) Buenos Aires SF
    2010 vs Benneteau (1 MP) Cincinnati 3R           2019 vs Kyrgios (3 MP) Acapulco 2R
    2010 vs Troicki (2 MP) Tokyo SF
    2014 vs Andujar (2 MP) Rio de Janeiro SF
    2015 vs Anderson (1 MP) Paris-Bercy 3R
    2016 vs A.Zverev (1 MP) Indian Wells 4R
    2017 vs Pouille (2 MP) Beijing 1R
    2019 vs Medvedev (1 MP) Masters Cup RR
    2021 vs Tsitsipas (1 MP) Barcelona F
    2021 vs Shapovalov (2 MP) Rome 3R
    2022 vs Goffin (4 MP) Madrid 3R


 Federer 22-25

        saved MP-s & won                                                   wasted MP-s & lost

    1999 vs Raoux (2 MP) Rotterdam 1R                   2000 vs Henman (2 MP) Vienna SF
    2000 vs Ljubicic (2 MP) Marseille QF                2001 vs Rafter (1 MP) Halle QF
    2000 vs Wessels (1 MP) US Open 1R                 2001 vs Novak (1 MP) Paris-Bercy 2R
    2000 vs Hewitt (1 MP) Basel SF                          2002 vs Haas (1 MP) Australian Open 4R
    2001 vs T.Johansson (1 MP) Rome 1R               2002 vs Escude (1 MP) Rotterdam QF
    2001 vs Massu (3 MP) Vienna 1R                        2003 vs A.Costa (3 MP) Miami QF
    2003 vs Draper (7 MP) Cincinnati 1R                 2005 vs Safin (1 MP) Australian Open SF
    2003 vs Verkerk (4 MP) Paris-Bercy 3R           2005 vs Gasquet (3 MP) Monte Carlo QF
    2003 vs Agassi (2 MP) Masters Cup RR            2006 vs Nadal (2 MP) Roma F
    2005 vs Ferrero (2 MP) Dubai 2R                        2010 vs Baghdatis (3 MP) Indian Wells 3R
    2006 vs O.Rochus (4 MP) Halle QF                     2010 vs Berdych (1 MP) Miami 4R
    2006 vs Roddick (3 MP) Masters Cup RR         2010 vs Djokovic (2 MP) US Open SF
    2011 vs F.Lopez (1 MP) Madrid 2R                      2010 vs Monfils (5 MP) Paris-Bercy SF
    2014 vs Monfils (2 MP) US Open QF                  2011 vs Djokovic (2 MP) US Open SF
    2014 vs L.Mayer (5 MP) Shanghai 2R                2013 vs Berdych (3 MP) Dubai SF
    2014 vs Wawrinka (4 MP) Masters Cup SF      2014 vs Chardy (1 MP) Roma 2R
    2016 vs Cilic (3 MP) Wimbledon QF                   2015 vs Kyrgios (2 MP) Madrid 2R
    2017 vs Berdych (2 MP) Miami QF                     2016 vs Thiem (2 MP) Stuttgart SF
    2018 vs Paire (2 MP) Halle 2R                             2017 vs Donskoy (3 MP) Dubai 2R
    2019 vs Monfils (2 MP) Madrid 3R                      2017 vs Haas (1 MP) Stuttgart 2R
    2019 vs Coric (2 MP) Rome 3R                            2018 vs Del Potro (3 MP) Indian Wells F
    2020 vs Sandgren (7 MP) Australian Open QF   2018 vs Anderson (1 MP) Wimbledon QF
                                                                                         2019 vs Thiem (2 MP) Madrid QF
                                                                                         2019 vs Djokovic (2 MP) Wimbledon F
                                                                                         2021 vs Basilashvili (1 MP) Doha QF

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20 minutes ago, Boxy said:

Cojep voli da postuje raznu statistiku, a kad je vec izvlacio za predaje pred pocetak, moze i tokom meca :default_coffee:

Ali evo, pomoci cu mu, ja cu mu reci podatak za Feda :smiley53:

pa uradi ceo posao za sve u tzv. Big4.

niko ti ne brani da i ti odradis neku statisticku analizu.

ne razumem zasto se ljutis i zahtevas da neko drugi ulozi sopstveno slobodno vreme i trud da odradi analizu.

 

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34 minutes ago, wwww said:

pa uradi ceo posao za sve u tzv. Big4.

niko ti ne brani da i ti odradis neku statisticku analizu.

ne razumem zasto se ljutis i zahtevas da neko drugi ulozi sopstveno slobodno vreme i trud da odradi analizu.

 

 

Meni je samo cudno sto je izvukao povlacenja/predaje koji su dobili big  4, povlacenja big 4, ali nedostaju predaje u toku meca :classic_sleep:

Ali ipak, opste je poznato ko nikad nije predao kad je izasao na teren, a i kakva je statistika ostatka...

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1 minute ago, wwww said:

pa povod je ocigledno bilo povlacenje Endija. Da je predao mec u toku samog meca verujem da bi onda jurio te podatke.

 

Ne znam sta si po struci, ali lagano si mogla u advokate i shvati ovo kao apsolutni kompliment :classic_biggrin:

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:classic_biggrin:

ako koju profesiju ne volim to je pravo/advokati.

da se ne naljute kolege forumasi koji su pravnici, to je sasvim u redu poziv, koji je (vrlo) potreban, samo ja sebe ne bih nikad mogla da zamislim u toj profesiji.

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30 minutes ago, wwww said:

:classic_biggrin:

ako koju profesiju ne volim to je pravo/advokati.

da se ne naljute kolege forumasi koji su pravnici, to je sasvim u redu poziv, koji je (vrlo) potreban, samo ja sebe ne bih nikad mogla da zamislim u toj profesiji.

 

Apsolutno se slazem sa tobom, kad nisam znala sta cu da studiram, znala sam da to necu :classic_biggrin:

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evo ga clanak:

https://www.tennis365.com/tennis-features/tennis365s-top-10-youngest-grand-slam-winners-becker-rank/

 

10. Rafael Nadal (19 years, 3 days)

9. Bjorn Borg (18 years, 10 days)

8. Mats Wilander (17 years, 293 days)

7. Boris Becker (17 years, 228 days)

6. Arantxa Sanchez Vicario (17 years, 174 days)

5. Michael Chang (17 years, 110 days)

4. Maria Sharapova (17 years, 75 days)

3. Tracy Austin (16 years, 270 days)

2. Monica Seles (16 years, 189 days)

1. Martina Hingis (16 years, 177 days)

 

plus s UTS za muskarce:

https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com/record?recordId=YoungestGrandSlamChampion

 

1 USA-Michael Chang-17 years 3 mons 7 days-1989-Roland Garros

2 GER-Boris Becker-17 years 7 mons 2 days-1985-Wimbledon

3 SWE-Mats Wilander-17 years 9 mons 2 days-1982-Roland Garros

4 SWE-Bjorn Borg-17 years 11 mons 27 days-1974-Roland Garros

5 GER-Boris Becker-18 years 7 mons 1 day-1986-Wimbledon

6 ESP-Rafael Nadal -18 years 11 mons 20 days-2005-Roland Garros

7 SWE-Bjorn Borg-18 years 11 mons 28 days-1975-Roland Garros

8 USA-Pete Sampras-19 years 15 days-1990-US Open

9 SWE-Mats Wilander-19 years 3 mons 7 days-1983-Australian Open

10 SWE-Stefan Edberg-19 years 10 mons 6 days-1985-Australian Open

11 ESP-Rafael Nadal -19 years 11 mons 26 days-2006-Roland Garros

12 SWE-Bjorn Borg-20 years 15 days-1976-Wimbledon

13 SWE-Mats Wilander-20 years 3 mons 4 days-1984-Australian Open

14 AUS-Lleyton Hewitt-20 years 6 mons 3 days-2001-US Open

15 USA-John McEnroe-20 years 6 mons 12 days-1979-US Open

16 RUS-Marat Safin-20 years 7 mons 1 day-2000-US Open

17 SRB-Novak Djokovic -20 years 7 mons 23 days-2008-Australian Open

18 BRA-Gustavo Kuerten-20 years 8 mons 16 days-1997-Roland Garros

19 SWE-Mats Wilander-20 years 9 mons 5 days-1985-Roland Garros

20 USA-Jim Courier-20 years 9 mons 10 days-1991

 

plus ovaj tekst:

https://olympics.com/en/featured-news/youngest-grand-slam-winner-tennis-singles

10 youngest Grand Slam winners in Open Era tennis

 

 

Martina Hingis*-16 years 117 days-1997 Australian Open-Women’s singles

Monica Seles*-16 years 189 days-1990- French Open-Women’s singles

Tracy Austin-16 years 270 days-1979- US Open-Women’s singles

Maria Sharapova-17 years 75 days-2004- Wimbledon-Women’s singles

Michael Chang-17 years 110 days-1989- French Open-Men’s singles

Arantxa Vicario-17 years 174 days-1989 -French Open-Women’s singles

Boris Becker-17 years 228 days-1985 -Wimbledon-Men’s singles

Mats Wilander-17 years 293 days-1982 -French Open-Men’s singles

Serena Williams-17 years 350 days-1999- US Open-Women’s singles

Steffi Graf-17 years 357 days-1987 -French Open-Women’s singles

 

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vremenski nizovi tenisera u Open eri sa Elo rejtingom preko 2300  (ekvivalent rejtingu FIDE majstora u sahu)

  • 11 god 6 m   Djokovic   ( dec 2010 - )           current 2355
  • 11 god 3 m   Connors    ( mar 1974 - jun 1985 )
  • 9 god 10 m   Lendl        ( avg 1981 - jun 1991 )
  • 9 god 6 m    Federer     ( mar 2004 - sep 2013 )
  • 8 god 4 m    McEnroe   ( apr 1979 - avg 1987 )
  • 7 god 6 m    Federer     ( nov 2013 - maj 2021 )
  • 7 god 4 m    Nadal        ( apr 2008 - avg 2015 )
  • 6 god 9 m    Borg         ( maj 1976 - apr 1983 )
  • 5 god 0 m    Nadal       ( maj 2017 - )            current 2378
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