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[djole]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/nyregion/seldowitz-vendor-islamophobia-nyc.html

 

Izrael gubi info rat u zapadnom svetu, verovatno po prvi put

[Darth Bane]

8 hours ago, Angelia said:

Ja sam par puta, u prethodnim inkarnacijama foruma pricala pricu o obrazovnom sistemu u US, I potpuno uvrnutom konceptu rasizma. Moj klinac, tada mozda 8-9 godina, otkrivamo bullying prema njemu, I naravno nakon posete ER, imam sastanak u skoli, I njihov odgovor, ucitelj mi kaze da je problem "sto moj sin prica sa akcentom", njegov akcenat je bio britanski, jer smo dosli iz UK. Naravno ja pomenem da on prica "proper English" 😀 sto bi svaki britanac rekao, I da to sto opravdaju, je diskriminacija. Odgovor ucitelja je da to nije diskriminacija, jer moj sin nije crn 🙄

 

Bukvalno, ako nisi "odobrena" minority, sve je dozvoljeno. Tako je napad na jevreje, iako znamo sta je anti-semitizam uradio 40tih godina proslog veka, potpuno ok. Nisu zasticena manjina, jer su u glavama budala "privileged whites", nema veze sto nisu stvarno white, ljudi uglavnom ne znaju da biti Jew, nema veze sa rasom. Samo nacisti su videli jevreje kao rasu, I ovi nasi antifasisti.

Pomalo off topic; Ovaj fenomen sam i ja uocio. Zaista cudno, nije bitno ni ako neko (neki stranac) prica perfektni "Oxford English", ni da se neko zapita da je nekome engleski drugi, pa cak i treci jezik (a prica ga bolje od mnogih kojima je maternji) - ali ako ima strani akcenat, onda lokalci misle da automatski s tom osobom nesto nije u redu, da je ovo, ili ono?! Jedan parohijalni mentalitet. 

On topic: antisemitizma ima svuda, mislimda ga ipak u Srbiji ima mnogo manje nego u mnogim drugim zemljama. Cak ni bivsa SFRJ nije bila outright antisemitska zemlja, vise anti-Izraelska. 

Edited November 22, 2023 by Darth Bane

[Mama_mia]

14 hours ago, erwin said:

 

Ovaj, farsi je endonim, tj. način na koji Persijci, najbrojnija etnička grupa u Iranu, zovu svoj jezik i znači persijski.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persians

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Dakle, tvrditi da je jedino ispravno zvati jezik farsijem, a ne persijskim je isto kao kad bi se tvrdilo da je jedino ispravno zvati nemački jezik dojčem.

 

Analogija koju koristis, ili koriste neki korisnici interneta a ti prenosis u poslednjoj recenici, nije adekvatna. Jer persijskim jezikom se govori u jos par drzava a kada zeli da se kaze da mislis na persijski govor u Iranu - tada je to farsi. Farsi je persijski jezik iskljucivo Irana. Persija ne postoji vise, postoji Iran ali niko ne kaze iranski jezik - upravo zato ti analogija sa nemackim primerom ne-va-lja.

 

Ili npr. srpski jezik, sta cemo sa crnogorskim, hrvatskim, bosanskim - Da li te jezike treba zvati srpskim? 

 

Kako god, neizmerno mi je drago sto jedino na sta si imao `zamerku` bilo ovo oko iranskog farsija, sto je dobra stvar u pretprimirju.

 

 

....U pretprimirju

Nasrallah meets senior Hamas official as Iranian FM visits Beirut

Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah has met in Lebanon with Khalil al-Hayyeh, who is Hamas’ deputy head in Gaza and its Arab and Islamic relations officer.

A statement issued by Hezbollah said the two men discussed the latest events since October 7 and evaluated the stances, developments and possible scenarios on all fronts, especially in the Gaza Strip.

They stressed “the importance of continuing work and constant coordination, combined with firmness and resilience, in order to achieve the promised victory,” the statement added.

Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian meanwhile arrived in Beirut, a day before a truce in the Gaza Strip between Israel and Hamas that is expected to also include the south Lebanon front.

“Six weeks have passed of the heroic resistance in Gaza and time has proved that it is not in favor of the Israeli entity,” Abdollahian said from Beirut’s airport.

“The Palestinian people are the ones who will decide the future of Gaza and the future of Palestine,” he added.

“We are in Beirut to consult with the Lebanese authorities over achieving security in the region and regaining the rights,” Iran’s FM went on to say.

He also warned that “the fingers of the resistance forces in the region will remain on the triggers until all the rights of the Palestinians are restored.”

 

[erwin]

20 minutes ago, Mama_mia said:

Analogija koju koristis, ili koriste neki korisnici interneta a ti prenosis u poslednjoj recenici, nije adekvatna. Jer persijskim jezikom se govori u jos par drzava

 

Govori se varijantama persijskog koje imaju svoje ime. Ima i švajcarski nemački (švicerdič) svoje ime.

 

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Persian language
Also known as: Fārsī language
Persian language, member of the Iranian branch of the Indo-Iranian language family. It is the official language of Iran, and two varieties of Persian known as Dari and Tajik are official languages in Afghanistan and Tajikistan, respectively. (...)

Modern Persian is most closely related to Middle and Old Persian, former languages of the region of Fārs (Persia) in southwestern Iran. It is thus called Fārsī by native speakers.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Persian-language

 

Evo i rada koji se bavi razlikama između persijskog, darija i tadžičkog jezika.

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PERSIAN, DARI AND TAJIK IN CENTRAL ASIA

There have been a number of informal debates among Persian language specialists concerning the status of Tajik and Dari vs. standard Persian. All linguists know that speech communities utilize a continuum of varieties of speech, and that the term "language" is more a political appellation than a scientifically accurate descriptor. The range of variation in Persian, Dari and Tajik communities is quite extensive, embodying regionalisms and borrowings from other language families.

https://www.ucis.pitt.edu/nceeer/2005_817_17g_Beeman.pdf

Edited November 22, 2023 by erwin

[DJ_Vasa]

12 minutes ago, Mama_mia said:

 

Analogija koju koristis, ili koriste neki korisnici interneta a ti prenosis u poslednjoj recenici, nije adekvatna. Jer persijskim jezikom se govori u jos par drzava a kada zeli da se kaze da mislis na persijski govor u Iranu - tada je to farsi. Farsi je persijski jezik iskljucivo Irana. Persija ne postoji vise, postoji Iran ali niko ne kaze iranski jezik - upravo zato ti analogija sa nemackim primerom ne-va-lja.

 

Ili npr. srpski jezik, sta cemo sa crnogorskim, hrvatskim, bosanskim - Da li te jezike treba zvati srpskim? 

 

Kako god, neizmerno mi je drago sto jedino na sta si imao `zamerku` bilo ovo oko iranskog farsija, sto je dobra stvar u pretprimirju.

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Ali čovek je u pravu da se jezik naziva persijski i da je farsi samo endonim, tj. naziv koji oni sami koriste, a u pitanju je pluricentričan jezik, otprilike kao engleski koji može imati britanski, američki ili neki treći standard. Čak i naziv za jedan od tih varijeteta, tj. dari koji se govori u Avganistanu, Fārsī-yi Darī. Računam da sami Iranci i stručnjaci za jezik malo bolje znaju kako će nazivati ovaj jezik, pa ako njihova ambasada i Filološki fakultet izdaju udžbenke kao što su Salam farsi – udžbenik persijskog jezika, samo Udžbenik persijskog jezika, Dabire : udžbenik za učenje persijskog pisma i sistema pisanja ili meni simpatično Pendžer: udžbenik persijskog jezika, pretpostavljam da je naziv sasvim u redu.

 

Pre mnogo godina sam na poklon dobio The Random House Dictionary of the English Language, a na korici nije specifikovano da je u pitanju američki standard.

[Smrtokapa]

57 minutes ago, Mama_mia said:

Persija ne postoji vise, postoji Iran ali niko ne kaze iranski jezik

 

Zanimljivo je da je i Persija egzonim, stanovnici zemlje koju danas zovemo Iran nikada nisu svoju zemlju zvali Persija.

 

Edit: reči "persijski" i "farsi" zapravo imaju isto poreklo, tj. etimologiju. 🙂

Edited November 22, 2023 by Smrtokapa

[Mama_mia]

naravno da se naziva persijski - na svim drugim jezicima ali na bliskom istoku se zove farsi i iskljucivo se odnosi na govor irana, to kazem, nadam se da nisam poludela i pisala da persijski jezik ne postoji ili da se ta rec ne sme izgovarati...

 

Analogija sa nemackim je losa jer ovo je persijski a ne iranski jezik . Iranski je farsi. To sto je ujedno i persijski kao i sto su ostali persijski jezici, afganistana i tadzi,

kao sto se u postovima iz wiki dokazauje ------ da, ali sta s tim? Kada govoris persijski u Iranu to je farsi. Ako je tema Iran i jezik kojim se tamo govori uvek cu ga zvati farsi. Ali tema nije jezik. To je sasvim sporedno skretanje.

 

Izvinjavam se (lazno) sto sam ucila takvu skolu i imala takve kolege gde taj jezik tako naziva. Ne znam sta bih jos rekla, od sada cu samo ponavljati persijski je iranski persijski je iranski nemacki je nemacki srpski je bosanski...Ali nije tema, pa zvuci kao promasaj.

[DJ_Vasa]

12 minutes ago, Smrtokapa said:

 

Zanimljivo je da je i Persija egzonim, stanovnici zemlje koju danas zovemo Iran nikada nisu svoju zemlju zvali Persija.

 

Da, on je grčkog porekla i prihvaćen je u evropskim sredinama, mada mislim da su za vreme šaha imali i taj naziv u opticaju, ali da se nije primio. Ostao je kao koren naziva jezika sa adaptacijom /p/ -> /f/.

10 minutes ago, Mama_mia said:

naravno da se naziva persijski - na svim drugim jezicima ali na bliskom istoku se zove farsi i iskljucivo se odnosi na govor irana, to kazem

To što kažeš nije ni najmanje sporno, ali ovde smo govorili u nazivu na srpskom. Jezik se može nazvati i farsi, ali se obično koristi persijski kao 'krovni' naziv za postojeće varijetete.

[Angelia]

1 hour ago, Darth Bane said:

Pomalo off topic; Ovaj fenomen sam i ja uocio. Zaista cudno, nije bitno ni ako neko (neki stranac) prica perfektni "Oxford English", ni da se neko zapita da je nekome engleski drugi, pa cak i treci jezik (a prica ga bolje od mnogih kojima je maternji) - ali ako ima strani akcenat, onda lokalci misle da automatski s tom osobom nesto nije u redu, da je ovo, ili ono?! Jedan parohijalni mentalitet. 

On topic: antisemitizma ima svuda, mislimda ga ipak u Srbiji ima mnogo manje nego u mnogim drugim zemljama. Cak ni bivsa SFRJ nije bila outright antisemitska zemlja, vise anti-Izraelska. 

Nije uobicajen fenomen, u to vreme smo ziveli u skolskom okrugu koji je bio veoma suburban, uglavnom nisu imali imigrante osim nesto iz Azije, I vecinski je bio "beo" okrug. Tako da je "belo" dete koje prica sa cudnim akcentom, bila neobicna pojava za njih. I diskriminacija je kod njih direktno bila povezana sa "biti crn". Jednostavno, predrasuda sta znaci diskriminacija, to ih uce na univerzitetima. Bukvalno, ne mozes biti rasista prema belcu. 

 

Totalni bs. Zato I toliko antisemitizma na koledzima, jer se izrael vidi kao "beli imperijalizam", zbog stereotipa "jevreji vladaju svetom" I slicni bs.

[Mama_mia]

10 minutes ago, DJ_Vasa said:

 

To što kažeš nije ni najmanje sporno, ali ovde smo govorili u nazivu na srpskom. Jezik se može nazvati i farsi, ali se obično koristi persijski kao 'krovni' naziv za postojeće varijetete.

 

Apsolutno nisam govorila o nazivu na srpskom. I zasto bih? Da mi je do srpskih naziva sigurno bih pronasla drugu temu za to.

 

I najzad i po stoti put kazem da je iranski persijski - farsi. Znaci nista sporno dok se bezrazlozno ne zakomplikuje.

[DJ_Vasa]

4 minutes ago, Mama_mia said:

 

Apsolutno nisam govorila o nazivu na srpskom. I zasto bih? Da mi je do srpskih naziva sigurno bih pronasla drugu temu za to.

 

I najzad i po stoti put kazem da je iranski persijski - farsi. Znaci nista sporno dok se bezrazlozno ne zakomplikuje.

 

Zašto? Pa možda zato što ovde komuniciramo na srpskom jeziku, a čak si i sama pisala 'persijski'. Nije mi poznato da neki drugi jezik koristi skup glasova p-e-r-s-i-j-s-k-i  da bi ga označio. To što ga Španci zovu perso uz moguće farsi, Francuzi samo persan i slično nema veze sa srpskim.

 

Eto, i Španci svoj jezik nazivaju español ili castellano, za šta i kod nas postoje nazivi španski i kastiljanski, ali ja u životu nisam video ovde izdat rečnik koji jezik naziva kastiljanskim.

[033zero330]

 

[Angelia]

Ovo je iznenadjenje samo za one koji nemaju pojma o Gazi, I Hamasovom MO, obicno oni koji se probude kad Hamas izvede teroristicki napad, da kazu da Izrael treba da se kontrolise. Jer, jel tako because Jews...sad ce neko da kaze da je ovo sve samo izraelska propaganda...iako su uveli novinare da im pokazu

 

16 hours ago, djole said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/nyregion/seldowitz-vendor-islamophobia-nyc.html

 

Izrael gubi info rat u zapadnom svetu, verovatno po prvi put

Kad je Izrael dobio bio koji PR rat? Od pocetka ovog terora, koliko medija je moralo da se izvinjava jer su bukvalno lagali kriveci Izrael? Pa, ovaj, prvi NYTimes.

 

Ali ko cita ili slusa demanti...

 

Tip izadje na ulicu I u svom nemocnom besu, napadne verbalno potpuno nevinog muslimana, I to je rat koji Izrael gubi. Pro-hamas profesor ubije jevrejina koji nosi izraelsku zastavu, I to se objavi kao "covek pao mrtav", tek na treci demanti otkrijemo da je covek jevrejin, to nije rat koji Hamas gubi.

 

 

[djole]

4 hours ago, Angelia said:

Kad je Izrael dobio bio koji PR rat? Od pocetka ovog terora, koliko medija je moralo da se izvinjava jer su bukvalno lagali kriveci Izrael? Pa, ovaj, prvi NYTimes.

 

Ali ko cita ili slusa demanti...

 

Tip izadje na ulicu I u svom nemocnom besu, napadne verbalno potpuno nevinog muslimana, I to je rat koji Izrael gubi. Pro-hamas profesor ubije jevrejina koji nosi izraelsku zastavu, I to se objavi kao "covek pao mrtav", tek na treci demanti otkrijemo da je covek jevrejin, to nije rat koji Hamas gubi.

 

Nije u pitanju tamo neki tip koji izlazi na ulicu i iz nemoci verbalno napada nevinog muslimana... u pitanju je bivši znaničnik State Departmenta i nije to uradio jednom nego se ponavljalo nekoliko dana. A imajući u vidu to ko je on, jasno je da nisu u pitanju samo verbalni napadi već vrlo realne pretnje mučenjem.

 

Samo konstatujem da mi se čini da po prvi put nije više takva situacija da su samo fringe levičari kritičari Izraela i da sa društvenim mrežama pogotovo, Izrael gubi na reputaciji u Zapadnom svetu.

[erwin]

Izrael je gradio bolnicu Šifa i tunele ispod nje, to je potvrdio bivši izraelski premijer Ehud Barak.

 

Ima na CNN-ovom sajtu i transkript:

 

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/ampr/date/2023-11-20/segment/01

Edited November 23, 2023 by erwin

[erwin]

Kad smo već kod nastupa izraleskih zvaničnika, Netanjahuov savetnik Mark Regev priznao je da su onih 200 viška pobijenih Izraelaca (prvobitno objavljeno 1400, potom redukovano na 1200) zapravo spaljeni Hamasovci, po svoj prilici tokom izraelske kontraofanzive.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Takođe je izjavio da se ne zna od čega su poginula tolika palestinska deca.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Ceo intervju:

 

Spoiler

 

 

Edited November 23, 2023 by erwin

[Esli]

Prošle nedelje su izraelski influenseri širili lažni snimak medicinske sestre iz Al Šife koja na lošem arapskom priča kako ih Hamas maltretira. Takođe su objavili i spisak navodnog raspored rada Hamas operativaca koji se zovu (paz sad) Al Džume, Al Sabt, Al Ahad... Čekamo da nam konačno pokažu taj komandni centar Hamasa na više nivoa o kome pričaju nedeljama, mogli bi, na primer, da pozovu delegaciju UN da urade inspekciju bolničkog kompleksa jednom kada potvrde sigurnost lokacije - a tu su više od nedelju dana i "pobeđuju na svim frontovima", valjda može i sada - umesto što se bave like-share-subscribe PRom preko svojih influensera i opskurnih tviter kanala.

 

Što se primirja i razmene tiče, po najnovijim informacijama ništa pre al džume.

 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Esli

[033zero330]

 

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Updated Hamas tunnel map of Al Shifa Hospital Complex New videos from IDF show a tunnel 100 meters long going North that starts at the Qatari building of Al Shifa and goes across the road to a classroom. This tunnel also connects to the blast door and 50 meter long tunnel found last week.

 

Filmed today

2x Bathrooms

1x Bed Down Location

1x Kitchenette

1x Meeting room

2x Utility closets

3x Exits to the surface.

 

So far 150-175 meters of tunnel filmed 2+ stories underground IVO the Qatari building, Pharmacy, and Generator building.

 

Video, da nije toliko u delovima:

 

 

[Clash]

2 minutes ago, 033zero330 said:

 

 

Video, da nije toliko u delovima:

 

 

Kvalitetno to Hamas gradnja radi.

Bolja hidroizolacija nego u Beogradu na vodi, pvc vrata, kuhinje po meri, italijanske plocice, saso mange.

[McLeod]

Lideri Hamasa su milijarderi.

[erwin]

36 eksperata UN-a koji se uglavnom bave ljudskim pravima pozvalo je međunarodnu zajednicu da spreči genocid Palestinaca u najavi:

 

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Gaza: UN experts call on international community to prevent genocide against the Palestinian people

GENEVA (16 November 2023) – Grave violations committed by Israel against Palestinians in the aftermath of 7 October, particularly in Gaza, point to a genocide in the making, UN experts said today. They illustrated evidence of increasing genocidal incitement, overt intent to “destroy the Palestinian people under occupation”, loud calls for a ‘second Nakba’ in Gaza and the rest of the occupied Palestinian territory, and the use of powerful weaponry with inherently indiscriminate impacts, resulting in a colossal death toll and destruction of life-sustaining infrastructure.

“Many of us already raised the alarm about the risk of genocide in Gaza,” the experts said. “We are deeply disturbed by the failure of governments to heed our call and to achieve an immediate ceasefire. We are also profoundly concerned about the support of certain governments for Israel's strategy of warfare against the besieged population of Gaza, and the failure of the international system to mobilise to prevent genocide,” they said.

The bombardment and siege of Gaza have reportedly killed over 11,000 people, injured more than 27,000 and displaced 1.6 million persons since 7 October 2023, while thousands are still under the rubble. Of those killed, about 41 per cent are children and 25 percent are women. On average, one child is killed and two are injured every 10 minutes during the war, turning Gaza into a “graveyard for children,” according to the UN Secretary-General. Almost 200 medics, 102 UN staff, 41 journalists, frontline and human rights defenders, have also been killed, while dozens of families over five generations have been wiped out.

“This occurs amidst Israel’s tightening of its 16-year unlawful blockade of Gaza, which has prevented people from escaping and left them without food, water, medicine and fuel for weeks now, despite international appeals to provide access for critical humanitarian aid. As we previously said, intentional starvation amounts to a war crime,” the experts said.

They noted that half of the civilian infrastructure in Gaza has been destroyed, including more than 40,000 housing units, as well as hospitals, schools, mosques, bakeries, water pipes, sewage and electricity networks, in a way that threatens to make the continuation of Palestinian life in Gaza impossible.

“The reality in Gaza, with its unbearable pain and trauma on the survivors, is a catastrophe of enormous proportions,” the experts said.

“Such egregious violations cannot be justified in the name of self-defense after attacks by Hamas on 7 October, which we have condemned in the strongest possible terms,” the experts said. “Israel remains the occupying power in the occupied Palestinian territory, which also includes the Gaza Strip, and therefore cannot wage a war against the population under its belligerent occupation,” they said.

“In order to be legitimate, Israel’s response must be strictly within the framework of international humanitarian law,” the UN experts said. “The presence of underground tunnels in parts of Gaza does not eliminate the civilian status of individuals and infrastructure that cannot be directly targeted nor suffer disproportionately,” they said.

The experts also raised the alarm about the escalation of violence against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, by soldiers and armed settlers. Since 7 October 2023, at least 190 Palestinians have been killed, more than 2,700 injured, and over 1,100 individuals displaced in the occupied West Bank. On 9 November, Israeli forces also bombed, for the second time, the Jenin refugee camp with heavy artillery and airstrikes, killing at least 14 Palestinians. The increasingly coercive environment has also led to forcible displacement of several communities of pastoralists and Bedouin People in the Jordan Valley and south of the Hebron Hills.

“We are deeply distressed at the failure of Israel to agree to – and the unwillingness of the international community to press more decisively for – an immediate ceasefire. The failure to urgently implement a ceasefire risks this situation spiralling towards a genocide conducted with 21st century means and methods of warfare,” the experts warned.

They also expressed alarm over discernibly genocidal and dehumanising rhetoric coming from senior Israeli government officials, as well as some professional groups and public figures, calling for the “total destruction”, and “erasure” of Gaza, the need to “finish them all” and force Palestinians from the West Bank and east Jerusalem into Jordan. The experts warned that Israel has demonstrated it has the military capacity to implement such criminal intentions.

“That is why our early warning must not be ignored,” the experts said.

“The international community has an obligation to prevent atrocity crimes, including genocide, and should immediately consider all diplomatic, political and economic measures to that end,” the experts said. They urged immediate action by UN Member States and the UN system as a whole.

In the short-term, the experts reiterated their call to Israel and Hamas to implement an immediate ceasefire, and:

Allow unimpeded delivery of desperately needed humanitarian aid to the people in Gaza;

Ensure the unconditional, safe and secure release of the hostages taken by Hamas;

Ensure that Palestinians arbitrarily detained by Israel are released immediately;

Open humanitarian corridors toward the West Bank, east Jerusalem and Israel, especially for those that have been most affected by this war, the sick, persons with disabilities, older persons, pregnant women and children;

They also recommended:

The deployment of an international protective presence in the occupied Palestinian territory under the supervision of the UN;

Collaboration of all parties with the Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel, and the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court on the investigation opened in March 2021, as well as crimes arising from the recent events, underlining that the crimes committed today are partly due to a lack of deterrence and continued impunity;

Implement an arms embargo on all warring parties;

Address the underlying causes of the conflict by ending the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territory.

“The international community, including not only States but also non-State actors such as businesses, must do everything it can to immediately end the risk of genocide against the Palestinian people, and ultimately end Israeli apartheid and occupation of the Palestinian territory,” the experts said.

“We remind Member States that what is at stake is not only the fate of Israelis and Palestinians, but a serious conflagration of the conflict in the region, leading to more human rights violations and suffering of innocent civilians,” they said.

 

* The experts: Francesca Albanese, Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967; Margaret Satterthwaite, Special Rapporteur on the Independence of Judges and Lawyers; Dorothy Estrada Tanck (Chair), Claudia Flores, Ivana Krstić, Haina Lu, and Laura Nyirinkindi, Working group on discrimination against women and girls; Surya Deva, Special Rapporteur on the right to development; Ravindran Daniel (Chair-Rapporteur), Sorcha MacLeod, Chris Kwaja, Jovana Jezdimirovic Ranito, Carlos Salazar Couto, Working Group on the use of mercenaries; Barbara G. Reynolds (Chair), Bina D’Costa, Dominique Day, Catherine Namakula, Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent; Pedro Arrojo-Agudo, Special Rapporteur on the human rights to safe drinking water and sanitation; Olivier De Schutter, Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights; Farida Shaheed, Special Rapporteur on the right to education; Damilola Olawuyi (Chairperson), Robert McCorquodale (Vice-Chairperson), Elżbieta Karska, Fernanda Hopenhaym, and Pichamon Yeophantong, Working Group on the issue of human rights and transnational corporations and other business enterprises; Siobhán Mullally, Special Rapporteur on trafficking in persons, especially women and children; Livingstone Sewanyana, Independent Expert on the promotion of a democratic and equitable international order; Balakrishnan Rajagopal, Special Rapporteur on the right to adequate housing; Ashwini K.P. Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance; Paula Gaviria Betancur, Special Rapporteur on the human rights of internally displaced persons; Mary Lawlor, Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights defenders; Claudia Mahler, Independent Expert on the enjoyment of all human rights by older persons; Ben Saul, Special Rapporteur on the promotion and protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms while countering terrorism; Irene Khan Special Rapporteur for Freedom of Opinion and Expression; Ms Reem Alsalem, Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls, its causes and consequences; Tomoya Obokata, Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of slavery, including its causes and consequences.

The Special Rapporteurs, Independent Experts and Working Groups are part of what is known as the Special Procedures of the Human Rights Council. Special Procedures, the largest body of independent experts in the UN human rights system, is the general name of the Council’s independent fact-finding and monitoring mechanisms. Special Procedures mandate-holders are independent human rights experts appointed by the Human Rights Council to address either specific country situations or thematic issues in all parts of the world. Special Procedures experts work on a voluntary basis; they are not UN staff and do not receive a salary for their work. They are independent of any government or organisation and serve in their individual capacity.

 

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against

 

Šef UN-ove misije na palestinskim teritorijama tvrdi da se pokušava namerno paralisanje njihovih humanitarnih aktivnosti.

 

Spoiler

 

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The head of the U.N. agency that assists Palestinians, UNRWA, said Thursday that as fuel runs out in the Gaza Strip, humanitarians will not be able to continue assisting Palestinians there.

"I do believe there is a deliberate attempt to strangle our operation and paralyze UNRWA operations," Commissioner General Philippe Lazzarini told reporters in Geneva.

He said UNRWA has pleaded for fuel for weeks and only received half a truck's worth on Wednesday.

UNRWA said the 23,000 liters came with restrictions from Israeli authorities that it could be used only for the agency's aid trucks.

Israel has prohibited the import of fuel into Gaza, saying it will be diverted by Hamas for its war machine. Its military has been fighting Hamas since the group carried out a brutal and deadly terror attack inside Israel on October 7. The U.S.-designated terror group controls the Gaza Strip.

"Clearly, if the issue of fuel is not addressed, we run the risk of having to suspend the entire humanitarian operation," Lazzarini said, adding that it is "outrageous" that humanitarian agencies must beg for fuel.

https://www.voanews.com/a/unrwa-chief-deliberate-attempt-to-strangle-gaza-aid-operation-/7358349.html

 

Edited November 23, 2023 by erwin

[McLeod]

Bivsi palestinski ambasador pricao za N1

 

https://n1info.rs/svet/bivsi-palestinski-ambasador-za-n1-hamas-je-rezultat-a-ne-uzrok-problema-video

 

Sramotne relativizacije i prekrajanja istorije, Slobina ratna spika je malo dete za ovo sto je on nalupetao.

[Angelia]

4 hours ago, djole said:

 

Nije u pitanju tamo neki tip koji izlazi na ulicu i iz nemoci verbalno napada nevinog muslimana... u pitanju je bivši znaničnik State Departmenta i nije to uradio jednom nego se ponavljalo nekoliko dana. A imajući u vidu to ko je on, jasno je da nisu u pitanju samo verbalni napadi već vrlo realne pretnje mučenjem.

 

Samo konstatujem da mi se čini da po prvi put nije više takva situacija da su samo fringe levičari kritičari Izraela i da sa društvenim mrežama pogotovo, Izrael gubi na reputaciji u Zapadnom svetu.

Bivsi nesto u Obaminoj administraciji, koji sad radi kao lobista, izasao I drao se na random muslimanskog ulicnog prodavca (verovatno mu se nesto zamerio), kakve to veze ima sa Izraelom?

 

I gresis, upravo je suprotno stanje u javnosti barem u US, po prvi put Izrael ima podrsku toliko da ljudi gledaju far left I pitaju se gde smo pogresili. Drustvene mreze nisu realnost, ali jesu indikacija da nam je podmladak zastranio u radikalnu levicu.

[Kronostime]

6 minutes ago, Angelia said:

Bivsi nesto u Obaminoj administraciji, koji sad radi kao lobista, izasao I drao se na random muslimanskog ulicnog prodavca (verovatno mu se nesto zamerio), kakve to veze ima sa Izraelom?

 

I gresis, upravo je suprotno stanje u javnosti barem u US, po prvi put Izrael ima podrsku toliko da ljudi gledaju far left I pitaju se gde smo pogresili. Drustvene mreze nisu realnost, ali jesu indikacija da nam je podmladak zastranio u radikalnu levicu.

... i u radikalnu desnicu.

[Mama_mia]

22 hours ago, DJ_Vasa said:

 

Zašto? Pa možda zato što ovde komuniciramo na srpskom jeziku, a čak si i sama pisala 'persijski'. Nije mi poznato da neki drugi jezik koristi skup glasova p-e-r-s-i-j-s-k-i  da bi ga označio. To što ga Španci zovu perso uz moguće farsi, Francuzi samo persan i slično nema veze sa srpskim.

 

Eto, i Španci svoj jezik nazivaju español ili castellano, za šta i kod nas postoje nazivi španski i kastiljanski, ali ja u životu nisam video ovde izdat rečnik koji jezik naziva kastiljanskim.

 

 

Ne. Nista od toga nije relevantno. Ako kazes persijski to ne znaci nuzno da je taj jezik farsi. Znaci ako se toliko mucite da napravite paralele sa nemackima, spanskima, zasto niko nista ne moze da kaze o srpskim, bosanskim, crnogorskim i hrvatskim jezicima? Svi su slicni takoreci isti ali ne zovu se Grupno.

 

Ako predstavis npr. prevodioca i kazes - ova osoba je prevodioc za farsi - caki i u srbiji svako zna da to ima veze sa prevodjenjem iranskog persijskog a ne tadzi persijskog ili afganskog persijskog.  Ne znam sta te je dohvatilo  neka pravdoljubivost, preciznost izrazavanja, neobicna insistiranja da jezik mora bit persijanerski ili nista . Pa ne moze nista. To ti je vaso - samo farsi a ti ga zovi vavilonski, sto da ne, to jos niko nije pominjao pitam se zasto ako se vec ide do svicarske, spanjolske, katalunje i gde sve ne kako bi se dokazalo Farsi Njet. ...zasto da na ovoj temi razvlacimo svaki jezik koga se setimo za pravljenje kvazi paralela, ako mozes da postavis temu i objasnis sve sto zelis o svim jezicima i dijalektima sveta, pa tako i da besomucno objasnjavas nesto sto svako zainteresovan moze da procita po internetu. 

 

Imas li ti neku informaciju o prekidu vatre, razmeni talaca, ili npr. kojim jezikom govori hamas  jer zbog odgovaranja na jezicarske postove, osecam grizu savesti sto ucestvujem u zatrpavanju teme postovima koji pripadaju drugoj temi, mozda ima nesto na drustvu.