Rat u Ukrajini

[Klotzen]

Mislio sam na obaveštajnu službu i informacije koje oni dele sa Ukrajinom. Za GPS i satelitski interent ima alternativa. Pride mislim da ne mogu da isključe GPS jer ga koristi ceo svet tako da bi pored Ukrajinaca oštetili i druge. Recimo isključiš u crnom moru i oštetio si sve ostale zemlje koje plove tuda. To ne verejuem da će se desiti.

[longbowman]

Iskreno, Zelenski je baš naivno ovde zagrizao mamac.

 

Imao je priliku da vidi kako to izgleda kada ozbiljna država šalje svog prvog čoveka ( Starmer ) i zna da ima posla sa iskompleksiranim derištem na drugoj strani. Došao, 5-6 softball pitanja, izvukao onu pozivnicu od kralja, na Vanceovu provokaciju odgovorio kratko i neutralno, spakovao se i otišao.

 

Pošto nema ništa od minerala, meni deluje da Ameri ovde silaze a da će se Evropljani skrpiti za neke pare u narednih godinu dana, a nakon toga ide pritisak na Ukrajinu od strane UK, Nemačke i Francuske da se postigne neki dogovor. 

[Dragan]

UNITED 24

[Henry Chinaski]

Nacisti svih zemalja, ujedinite se, vodite ljubav a ne rat 🙂

 

 

 

[momohyoideus]

2 hours ago, Klotzen said:

Mislio sam na obaveštajnu službu i informacije koje oni dele sa Ukrajinom. Za GPS i satelitski interent ima alternativa. Pride mislim da ne mogu da isključe GPS jer ga koristi ceo svet tako da bi pored Ukrajinaca oštetili i druge. Recimo isključiš u crnom moru i oštetio si sve ostale zemlje koje plove tuda. To ne verejuem da će se desiti.

 

Cak ne mozes ni u Crnom moru da ga iskljucis. Svaki pokusaj da se uskrati GPS negde/nekome bi rezultirao degradacijom kvaliteta servisa u celom svetu.

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

5 hours ago, Beonegro said:

 

Ja mislim da je iz njegove vizure to sinoć i dobio i da više ništa neće dati od naoružanja i operativne podrške, čak ni za pare, odnosno, očekujem da uskrate Ukrajini i podatke sa svojih satelita i AVACS-a i pristup Starlinku, a u malo dužem roku i da popuste sankcije rusiji. 

 

Nije prosao sat of razgovora i vec su ukinuli pomoc opravke strujne mreze

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/state-department-terminates-us-support-ukraine-energy-grid-restoration-rcna194259

 

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

 

 

 

Ne znam da li je ovo tacno, ali ako je tacno 

 

[djura.net]

U toku je sastanak Zelenskog i Starmera, a za sutra osim samita evropskih lidera, Starmera i Zelenskog je zakazan jos jedan jako bitan susret

 

bbc

 

King Charles III will meet Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky tomorrow, the BBC understands.

 

The meeting comes at the request of the UK government.

[Klotzen]

To što Zelenski nosi je njegova verzija uniforme. Dakle to je uniforma vrhovnog komandanta Ukrajine koju je on osmislio koja nije uniforma ali ipak jeste u military fazonu. Ako obratiš pažnju na duksu ili jakni je uvek grb Ukrajine a pantalone su u stilu vojnih pantalona. Cilj mu je da pokaže na taj način da je i on jedan od njih. Takođe je rekao da će to nositi do kraja rata. Ako ga je primio Kralj Čarls kod koga mora da se poštuje tradicija za sve i svašta onda nema potrebe da se ameri bune. Pogotovo što to nikad sam Tramp nije rekao nego podmeće korisne budale da to pričaju.

 

Na drugoj temi je već bila slika Čerčila u vojnom kombinezonu, nije ostalo upisano da su mu Ruzveltovi ljudi nudili odelo. Doduše Čerčil nije stalno nosio uniformu. Ma čista provokacija da se ocrni neko ko smeta Trampu.

[Nicklord]

Ali te priče o uniformama a Tramp nosi uniformu bundeve sa pola kile farbe na licu

[djura.net]

1 hour ago, Klotzen said:

Ako ga je primio Kralj Čarls kod koga mora da se poštuje tradicija za sve i svašta onda nema potrebe da se ameri bune. 

Sutra bi trebao da bude taj 'kraljevski sastanak'. I meni je palo na pamet da li ce se pojaviti tamo u uniformi.

 

bbc

 

The rocky journey to finding peace in Ukraine continues. Prime Minister Keir Starmer has invited European leaders to London tomorrow ahead of a summit in Paris on 6 March.

Leaders from France, Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Spain, Turkey, Finland, Sweden, the Czech Republic and Romania have all been invited - as well as the presidents of the European Council, European Commission and Nato Secretary General.

He'll meet for talks with President Zelensky and Italy's Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni before Sunday's summit aimed at securing “lasting and enforced” peace in Ukraine.

Edited Saturday at 06:37 PM by djura.net

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

Trampove izjave:

"If we don't pay and we're attacked by Russia, will you protect us?"

- "No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want."

 

"Ukraine security guarantees up to Europe"

 

On nikada nije ni imao nameru da pomogne Ukrajini, ovo sve ostalo je samo deo cirkusa koji pravi. 

[Klotzen]

 

Ovo je iz posete 2023. godine.

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

Tip koji je postavio pitanje o garderobi je momak MTG, onda vam je valjda nesto jasnije. Pritom je i Tramp imao komentar kad je Zelenski stigao na njegovu garderobu. 

Tramp, koji vec deceniju nosi isto odelo i dve kravate, crvenu i zutu... 

 

Zuta verovatno u fazonu zlatna... 

Edited Saturday at 06:45 PM by 𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂

[Henry Chinaski]

 

Mada je ovo privatna kompanija, i nije naredba parlamenta Norveške

[Big Ticket]

25 minutes ago, Henry Chinaski said:

 

Mada je ovo privatna kompanija, i nije naredba parlamenta Norveške

 

Ниђе друго нема ове вијести. Због доброг информисања, неопходно је да се пажљивије преносе вијести. Овај сајт познат као непоуздан.

[Henry Chinaski]

21 minutes ago, Big Ticket said:

 

Ниђе друго нема ове вијести. Због доброг информисања, неопходно је да се пажљивије преносе вијести. Овај сајт познат као непоуздан.

Pozivaju se na ovaj tvit Haltbakk Bunkera kompanije.

Evo našao sam i link vijesti

https://www.kystens.no/nyheter/nekter-a-selge-drivstoff-til-amerikanerne-vi-har-et-moralsk-kompass/2-1-1786648?s=09

 

Edited Saturday at 07:39 PM by Henry Chinaski

[longbowman]

Ne bih ja toliko bio optimističan po pitanju neke velike pomoći iz EU.

 

Van Poljske i Baltika, Evropa nema stomak za ovaj rat, ne za još tri godine gde je US potpuno isključena. Vlade vodećih evropskih država su sve na jako klimavim nogama, pored toliko domaćih problema ne verujem da će neko zavući građanima ruke u džepove za dodatnu pomoć Ukrajini.

 

Ja generalno zbog nekih svojih ideoloških opredeljenja nisam fan ničega i nikoga sa prostora kontinentalne Evrope, ali mislim da je svima jasno da ukoliko rat potraje bez učešća US ( koja btw jedina i ima da proda/donira oružje ) , situacija na kontinentu će postati toliko nepodnošljiva da razni AFD, FN i ostale groteskne pojave ima da dođu na vlast koliko u sledećem izbornom ciklusu. Da ne govorim da ova US administracija mi deluje kao da se ne bi libila da te elemente pomogne.

[McLeod]

Imace Tramp vise problema za dve godine kad izgubi Kongres i Predstavnicki dom tako da ako neko bude imao problem sa gubljenjem podrske to ce biti on. Da ne pricamo sto cepanje republikanske stranke postaje sve izvesnije.

[𝓑𝓪𝓫𝔂]

48 minutes ago, McLeod said:

Imace Tramp vise problema za dve godine kad izgubi Kongres i Predstavnicki dom tako da ako neko bude imao problem sa gubljenjem podrske to ce biti on. Da ne pricamo sto cepanje republikanske stranke postaje sve izvesnije.

 

On (oni) ce za dve godine napraviti toliko stete da ce trebati decenije da se stvari vrate u normalu...

 

 

[McLeod]

Nije sporno, osvrnuo sam se samo na ove probleme oko reizbora. Osim Francuske, nema opasnosti ni u jednoj drugoj drzavi da se kurs promeni. Postoji nada da ce biti bolje cak, jer je Fico zavrsio svoje kad dodju izbori, ostace samo Orban trojanac u EU. Meloni i Duda isto mogu da zglajznu. Francuska moze upasti u krizu sto jeste problem, ali gore napisano je fakticki netacno.

[djura.net]

DW

 

'Europe must understand its strength,' Poland's Tusk says

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk stressed that Europe must believe in its power, as he headed for a summit on Ukraine held in London.

 

"Europe has an advantage over everyone here," Tusk said, adding that with some 2.6 million professional soldiers, Europe has more troops than the US, China or Russia. He also stressed the continent's combat aircraft and artillery strength.

 

"Today in Europe there is a deficit of imagination and courage," he said. "Europe must understand its strength."

 

Tusk also expressed his support for an Italian proposal for a US-Europe summit. The proposal was put forth by Italian Prime Minister Giorga Meloni, to discuss how "to deal with the great challenges of today, starting with Ukraine."

[nonick]

46 minutes ago, djura.net said:

 

Tusk also expressed his support for an Italian proposal for a US-Europe summit. The proposal was put forth by Italian Prime Minister Giorga Meloni, to discuss how "to deal with the great challenges of today, starting with Ukraine."

 

Jel ce JD Vance biti voditelj konferencije?

[djura.net]

27 minutes ago, nonick said:

Jel ce JD Vance biti voditelj konferencije?

S obzirom na njegov 'minuli rad', i u White House, a posebno u Minhenu, mislim da je on neprihvatljiva osoba za ovaj eventualni samit. 

Pozdravio bih i odluku kojom se njemu i Musku zabranjuje ulaz u EU i UK.

[Beonegro]

 

 

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THE NEWS from Washington reached Ukraine in real time. In all corners of the country—in offices and trenches, cafes and factories—people watched President Donald Trump and Vice-President J.D. Vance attack Volodymyr Zelensky, with claims that he had been “disrespectful”. On the front lines, amid artillery duels and explosions, those who could turned to messaging apps to express their anguish at the deliberate humiliation of their president. “Andriy”, an officer in a secret unit with access to the chats, says Mr Zelensky’s rating has been boosted among soldiers. “I don’t remember the last time someone said, this is over, time to pack up. On the contrary, everyone is saying Sanych [a nickname for Mr Zelensky] has done well.”

Yet the disaster in the Oval office has also raised fears that America might now move to choke off support for Ukraine, and questions about whether Europe could ever compensate. Among Ukraine’s stunned elite there is a growing debate about whether Mr Zelensky is still the right person to lead the country. According to one former diplomat, “Zelensky’s demise is now inevitable...because he is inconveniently stubborn and basically got hated by both Trump and Putin. They both need someone submissive in Ukraine.”

Mr Zelensky has now landed in Britain and is due to meet Sir Keir Starmer, the prime minister, on the afternoon of March 1st. The day after both will attend a summit with European leaders in London. Those leaders have made public statements backing Mr Zelensky. But the meeting will illuminate how much credibility Mr Zelensky really has left and whether Europe has the resolve to attempt to militarily support Ukraine without full American backing. Ukraine’s hero is in danger of becoming a tragic figure.

In the corridors of political Kyiv, officials are largely stunned by the ferocity of the American treatment towards their leader. There were never many illusions about the grudge Mr Trump held against Mr Zelensky, the roots of which probably lie in the impeachment of Mr Trump in 2019 over his unsuccessful attempt to pressure Mr Zelensky into opening a criminal investigation on Hunter Biden, the son of Mr Trump’s eventual successor. The Ukrainians knew that Mr Zelensky had needed to lobby Emmanuel Macron to even gain an audience with the American president. Talks had been tense all week over a deal to exploit minerals in Ukraine—Mr Trump wanted the rights as repayment for a fictional $500bn debt, while Mr Zelensky wanted security guarantees as part of any agreement. But there had been hope that a thaw in relations had set in.

A day earlier, at a much smoother event at the White House with Sir Keir, Mr Trump even claimed not to remember calling the Ukrainian a “dictator”. There was, at last, an agreed text of a minerals deal to be signed, and a celebratory lunch at the White House to be eaten. But then everything fell apart as Mr Vance and Mr Zelensky descended into an argument about how Russia’s war began. The Ukrainian wanted his hosts to understand it was not the threat of NATO expansion, but the reality of imperial expansion that underlay Vladimir Putin’s decision to invade. The Americans did not want to hear it. The Ukrainian leader saw that as wilful ignorance; and the Americans interpreted his stand as unacceptable defiance.

If the goal of Mr Trump and Mr Vance was to undermine the Ukrainian president’s support among ordinary citizens, it seems to have backfired, at least for now. Mr Zelensky’s emotional stand might have been unwise, but it has touched many in a nation hurting from war. Even those historically opposed to the president took to social media overnight to praise him for standing up for the country. Some Ukrainians have even started a collection for a nuclear bomb. Ukraine is not in any position to produce such a weapon even if it wanted to: it is a decade away from the facilities needed for enrichment. But that did not stop the pot reaching 22.75m hryvnia ($550,000) in the space of a few hours.

Far from everyone in the elite is convinced, however. One business leader talks of disbelief and shock at the White House standoff. Another source, the former diplomat, says it brought no winners except for Mr Putin: “The true issue now is how and when exactly the dust will settle down for Ukraine’s survival as a sovereign independent state.” An opposition MP admits surprise at the reaction of many colleagues in parliament, where, he says, most publicly welcomed the president’s conduct. “Beyond the foolishness and disgrace, what shocks me most is that intelligent people are praising the president and criticising those who had the courage to call it a disaster.” That assessment would change once initial emotions die down, he adds.

Among Ukrainian officials strategising about what to do next, the key question is why did it happen? Did they walk into a pre-planned ambush, a staged fight that would give the Americans an excuse to throw them under a bus? Or was it just a case of emotions, egos and ambitions spiralling out of control? One official with knowledge of the negotiations remains hopeful a deal may be done—a door that seemed to be left open in the hours after the White House fiasco, by the American secretary of state, Marco Rubio. Yet it is not clear how much influence Mr Rubio has. And, the source says, the prescription for what now needs to happen rests on which of the two theories was true.

The ambush theory has some basis. Soon after the Americans unceremoniously dispatched Mr Zelensky and his team from the White House—leaving the spring-green salad, rosemary-roasted chicken and crème brûlée for junior staffers to gorge on—Mr Trump’s lieutenants took to social media and TV screens in what appeared to be a well-orchestrated campaign. They dropped heavy hints that Ukraine might consider finding a new negotiator, mirroring long-held Russian narratives that Mr Zelensky’s stubborn will is a barrier to peace. Senator Lindsey Graham, once a strong supporter of the Ukrainian fight, stood outside the White House to say Mr Zelensky needed to “resign [or] change”.

An exit by Mr Zelensky, or his removal by others, would be fraught during war time, and could plunge the country into chaos. Polling shows that there is nowhere near a majority in support of elections, which would require an end to martial law in turn making it difficult for Ukraine to remain mobilised and united. One less painful way to conjure up an alternative leader for the purposes of negotiation might be to vote in a new parliamentary speaker, officially the second-most senior politician in Ukraine. According to this theory, they could then interact with the Trump administration. Doing that, however, would require Mr Zelensky’s acquiescence. It is also far from clear that the Ukrainian public wants it.

The shock of Friday’s disaster has left much of political Kyiv in stunned silence—and in fear that critical military aid and intelligence assistance from America may soon end, as some White House officials have reportedly hinted. That threat may be part of an information campaign to pile pressure on Ukraine and Mr Zelensky. But it might not. In the past few days there have been reports of Pete Hegseth, the secretary of defence, ordering America’s Cyber Command to dial down its operations against Russia.

One senior official in Ukraine says there is nothing it can do but to roll its sleeves up and get ready for a longer fight. It still has Europe and its own ingenuity to rely on, he says. Europe’s response has so far been robust, at least verbally; but much now rests on the summit in London on March 2nd. Andriy, the military officer, says the road ahead will be painful if indeed America cuts off military support. But he argues something bigger is at stake, something Mr Zelensky seemed to understand: “If we lose a shipment or there’s some delay, that’s something we’ve been through many times before. But if we lose our self-respect, that’s not something you can ever compensate for or restore.”