Epidemija koronavirusa (Covid-19 / SARS-Cov2) - dnevne aktuelnosti iz zemlje i sveta

[Cyber]

Takvo je vreme doslo da ovo izgleda treba da su dobre vesti. Srecna nam Nova 2024. godina! Da se sretno i bericetno vakcinisemo (jednom godisnje?) kao protiv gripa. 

 

Covid will become an endemic disease as early as 2024, Pfizer executives said Friday, meaning the virus will transition from a global emergency to a constant presence causing regional outbreaks across the world —

much like the flu.

“We believe Covid will transition to an endemic state, potentially by 2024,” Nanette Cocero, global president of Pfizer Vaccines, said during an investor call Friday. >>> 

[vilhelmina]

Upravo sam se bocnula trecim fajzerom. Konacno se docekalo, a da li ce biti neke vajde, videce se.

 

Cerka i zet dobili drugu dozu u augustu i oboje sad bolesni. On pokupio virus od nevakcinisane balkanske budale i preneo njoj. On dosta jak kasalj, ali bez temperature; ona bez kaslja za sada, ali vec treci dan oko 38 C.

[Sunshine State]

Vili, nadam se da ce sve biti ok s decom!

 

Citam malo vesti o NL - ljudi su poludeli, danima vec citaju i o kmikronu, ali i o padu brojki u NL, i onda nedelju dana pred Bozic, vlada donese odluku da se sve zatvori u roku od manje od 12 sati.

 

Vlasnici malih  preduzeca, prodavnica, koji su narucili vece kolicine proizvoda zbog Bozicnih praznika i kupovine poklona, zele da im vlada nadoknadi 100 % zaradu zbog najnovijeg lockdowna. Ili da omoguci kupovinu na zakazivanje.

 

Za buster dozu su odugovlacili, planirali u januaru tek da krenu, ne moze zbog tehnickih uslova, bla, bla....a zatvaranje svega moze u roku od 10 sati.

 

Nisam tamo, ne doticu me mere ic, ne bi ni da sam tamo - dok rade samoposluge, ok mi je, ali sama cinjenica da se dve godine nakon pocetka pandemije, uz postojanje vakcina, poseze za lockdown-om, je prilicno frustrirajuca.

I Austrijanci su odustali od zatvranja vakcinisanih, nakon 2 nedelje...ovi sve djuture zatvorili na mesec dana!

 

 

[Sunshine State]

Kako je Indija uspela da ima samo dva talasa?

 

 

[Kronostime]

7 minutes ago, Sunshine State said:

Kako je Indija uspela da ima samo dva talasa?

 

 

[Sunshine State]

8 minutes ago, Kronostime said:

 

Kako nisu mogli da nas slazu kad im je bio onaj pomor?

[Kronostime]

5 minutes ago, Sunshine State said:

 

Kako nisu mogli da nas slazu kad im je bio onaj pomor?

A ti stigla ovde 2 dana pre zatvaranja `Olandije, a Slavisa par dana pre tebe, jos se ocekuju neki clanovi ovog cenjenog mesta u domaji za predstojece praznike.... i pitas to?

 

Kolega @Akiro - zovi, uzjahujem Ridjana.

[zoe Bg]

802/8168/37

 

Na respiratoru 125

 

U bolnicama 2488

[ciao]

1 hour ago, Sunshine State said:

Kako je Indija uspela da ima samo dva talasa?

 

 

Stavila sam ja pre nekoliko dana jedan francuski tekst na tu temu, nije bio naucni nego tekst da kazem opisni - naslov je bio da je po svoj prilici Indija prva zemlja koja je zavrsila sa covidom a sa samo 30 posto vakcinisanih, odgovor je bio da su oni zavrsili sa covidom "prirodnim" prokukuzavanjem a da su to platili ogromnim brojem umrlih za koje uopste nemaju u sustini evidenciju 

Edited December 19, 2021 by ciao

[Ridji]

29 minutes ago, zoe Bg said:

802/8168/37

 

Na respiratoru 125

 

U bolnicama 2488

Već danima se vrtimo oko 10% zaraženih, s obzirom da ima skoro mesec ipo dana kako je pad krenuo nekako mi sporo to ide. Možda nećemo u opadanju ovog talasa doći na onako niske brojeve kao u ranijim. Takodje, idalje čekam prvi slučaj omikrona, mada ga je verovatno već bilo samo se ne zna ili “ne zna”, pa da vidimo šta će se desiti sa aktuelnim talasom

[Kronostime]

5 minutes ago, Ridji said:

Već danima se vrtimo oko 10% zaraženih, s obzirom da ima skoro mesec ipo dana kako je pad krenuo nekako mi sporo to ide. Možda nećemo u opadanju ovog talasa doći na onako niske brojeve kao u ranijim. Takodje, idalje čekam prvi slučaj omikrona, mada ga je verovatno već bilo samo se ne zna ili “ne zna”, pa da vidimo šta će se desiti sa aktuelnim talasom

Cekaj, bre, da se oderu ovi gastosi sto dolaze za praznike u otadzbinu.

Edited December 19, 2021 by Kronostime

[Ridji]

Omikron rešenje za gojazne?

 

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1537780/coronavirus-omicron-variant-symptoms-loss-of-appetite/amp

[CheshireCat]

17 minutes ago, Ridji said:

Već danima se vrtimo oko 10% zaraženih, s obzirom da ima skoro mesec ipo dana kako je pad krenuo nekako mi sporo to ide. Možda nećemo u opadanju ovog talasa doći na onako niske brojeve kao u ranijim. Takodje, idalje čekam prvi slučaj omikrona, mada ga je verovatno već bilo samo se ne zna ili “ne zna”, pa da vidimo šta će se desiti sa aktuelnim talasom

 

 

Jel se sećaš koliko nam je originalni soj kasnio za regionom.

Prešao je granicu tek 6.3. a u Hrv je bio desetak dana pre.

 

Stigao je omikron, sad će brojke polako gore.

[JPM]

A sto je ljudima frka da se vakcinisemo jednom godisnje? To je neka velika cimaza, sta?

[erwin]

 

[DJ_Vasa]

2 hours ago, Edward Louis Severson III said:

A sto je ljudima frka da se vakcinisemo jednom godisnje? To je neka velika cimaza, sta?

 

Verujem da je mnogima pun kufer korone i svega što podrazumeva. Čak i u civilizovanim zemljama se ljudi bune protiv mera, i to glasnije nego ovde.

 

Da se razumemo - ne pravdam nikoga, samo konstatujem.

[erwin]

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Kai Kupferschmidt, 1h, 9 tweets, 5 min read

 

Germany’s new expert council weighs in on #omicron:
"Due to the simultaneous, extreme number of patients, a considerable overload of the hospitals is to be expected - even in the unlikely case of significantly weakened disease severity compared to the Delta variant" 

They call for:
- further measures to reduce contacts
- enforcing current measures
- intensifying vaccination and booster campaigns
"all models show that booster vaccinations alone do not adequately contain the omicron wave, but that additional contact restrictions are necessary" 

Beyond political decisions, "the population must be called upon to actively control infections. This includes avoiding larger gatherings, the consistent, preferred wearing of FFP2 masks, especially indoors, as well as the increased use of rapid tests at gatherings…" 

"Particularly vulnerable groups require increased protective measures through high-frequency testing and FFP2 masks.
In all decisions, interests of particularly stressed and vulnerable groups, such as children, young people or those in need of care, must be given top priority." 

The experts “expect enormous challenges in the coming weeks and months, which will require joint and timely action from all.
In addition to consistent action, clear explanations are crucial." 

"The omicron wave hits a population that has been exhausted by a nearly two-year pandemic and its control, and in which massive tensions are evident on a daily basis.”
Communication "with clear explanations of the new risk situation and the resulting measures is essential." 

The committee of 19 experts includes scientists like @ViolaPriesemann, @CorneliaBetsch, @alena_buyx, @Sander_Lab and @c_drosten. They unanimously agreed to this text.

The entire document in German: https://www.bundesregierung.de/resource/blob/997532/1992410/7d068711b8c1cc02f4664eef56d974e0/2021-12-19-expertenrat-data.pdf?download=1

 

(My two cents:
Seems in line with the conclusions that countries sightly ahead of us in the omicron wave are reaching.
There is a lot of uncertainty, but by the time we’re certain it will be too late.
Good to see communication feature prominently in the opinion. Huge challenge!) 

(Also worth remembering that Germany is in a worse position than countries like Norway, Denmark or UK in terms of immunity given comparatively low vaccination rate and low levels of immunity from infections.
Boostering quite fast though.)

 

 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1472626326595162114.html

Edited December 19, 2021 by erwin

[JPM]

1 minute ago, DJ_Vasa said:

 

Verujem da je mnogima pun kufer korone i svega što podrazumeva. Čak i u civilizovanim zemljama se ljudi bune protiv mera, i to glasnije nego ovde.

 

Da se razumemo - ne pravdam nikoga, samo konstatujem.

 

Brate, svima je pun kufer, i meni je pun kufer. Ali ako godisnje vakcinisanje bude znacilo da mozemo da se vratimo u normalu, so be it.

[DJ_Vasa]

1 minute ago, Edward Louis Severson III said:

 

Brate, svima je pun kufer, i meni je pun kufer. Ali ako godisnje vakcinisanje bude znacilo da mozemo da se vratimo u normalu, so be it.

 

Nije to sporno, ja bih sutra zavrnuo rukav i tražio odmah pet komada ako može da pomogne, što reče dr Puzigaća, ali ljudska narav je komplikovana stvar. Neki ćemo da koristimo zdrav mozak, a neki će d'umru.

[erwin]

 

 

 

 

[ras kass]

3 hours ago, Edward Louis Severson III said:

A sto je ljudima frka da se vakcinisemo jednom godisnje? To je neka velika cimaza, sta?

 

Ne mislim uopste da je ljudima cimaza, ali tesko naterati ljude da se vakcinisu ako im tkz. experti konstantno ruse znacaj a i efikasnost. Kada govorimo o delta talasu, to je bio talas nevakcinisanih. Sada opet sa omikronom opet sumnja u vakcinu ali vakciniste se ali mozda nece da pomogne. Kao da deo njih jedva ceka da se pojavi soj otporan na vakcine da bi rekli I told you so.

 

I sada imas ljude koji su prelezali plus tri doze primili i opet sede zakljucani. Eto Holandija na primer.

 

Sve treba drzati sa rezervom. Govorilu si da antitela kod prelezanih traju max pola godine a vidimo da traju pa skoro i dve godine. I sad posle pet dana od pojave omikrona pricaju da nema zastite od reinfekcije. Polako, stani malo, svi da budu  pametni, pa iznose poluproverene informacije.

[erwin]

 

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Tom Moultrie, 7h, 12 tweets, 4 min read

A series of mini-thoughts for a Sunday afternoon. South Africa vs. Rest of the World - the Omicron Edition.
1) We are pretty confident that Gauteng, the province at the South African Omicron epicentre is past its peak in terms of proportion of tests returning positive. 

2) Despite massive number of cases (and incredibly high PTP: in the week to 11Dec, in Gauteng an ALL-TIME high of 38.7% - and an intra-week daily high of 41% when looking at PCR tests only), we have seen relatively few hospitalisations and deaths. 

3) It really *does seem* as if South Africa, my country, will escape relatively unscathed in this wave.
None of that is particularly new. But other things gnaw at me. 

4) Excess natural deaths as of 11 Dec were 278 000 as per our weekly @MRCza report.
samrc.ac.za/reports/report…
We have also been of the view that between 85 and 95% of these ED, over the entire course of the epidemic, are related to Covid (genus.springeropen.com/articles/10.11…)

Rapid mortality surveillance using a national population register to monitor excess deaths during SARS-CoV-2 pandemic in South Africa - GenusThis paper describes how an up-to-date national population register recording deaths by age and sex, whether deaths were due to natural or unnatural causes, and the offices at which the deaths were re…https://genus.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s41118-021-00134-6

5) So that means, perhaps 250 000 Covid deaths since Autumn 2020. (cf: the official number of barely 90 000). Expressed per million, that is an 'unofficial Covid deaths' of around 4 200. 

6) From Worldometer (yes, I *know* - I am pulling approximates here), the UK is around 2 150 -- roughly HALF the unofficial SA number 

7) I am struck by this comparison from OWID. Their SA data are ours (but all-cause not natural-only).
And we can see towards of the beta wave, excess deaths in the two countries were of a kind.

8) But the UK had begun to vaccinate extensively by then. Our programme only got going in July, by which time Delta was on us. 

9) SO. WHAT IF ... South Africa's 'light escape' (in the context of a QUARTER OF A MILLION excess natural deaths) is _in no small measure because_ we 'bought' that present at horrendous cost during past waves. 

10) No, I do not have the answers. Yes, I am deeply grateful by what we are seeing here. But, I am appalled by how the South African Experience ™ is being used to weaponise against unfolding events in other countries ("don't intervene, it's a nothingburger" says my bete noire) 

11) Until we have a better sense of the issues raised here (esp in #9), premature celebration is uncalled for outside of SA; and in SA, perhaps we should spare a thought for the families of 250 000 of our fellow citizens whose loved ones will not be joining them for Christmas. 

11) Careful data analysis, and a deep appreciation of local knowledge and specificities, coupled with global action (as argued with @GYamey and @BillHanage last week: time.com/6128506/omicro…) may yet get us through this.

Let's Not Be Fatalistic About Omicron. We Know How to Fight ItThe Omicron variant is starting to hit the world but have the tools to fight it—only if we heed the lessons of the last two years

https://time.com/6128506/omicron-covid-19-how-to-fight/

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1472626326595162114.html

[erwin]

  

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Only 1.7% of identified Covid-19 cases were admitted to hospital in the second week of infections in the fourth [omicron] wave, compared with 19% in the same week of the third delta-driven wave, South African Health Minister Joe Phaahla said at a press conference. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-17/s-africa-says-hospitalizations-in-omicron-wave-much-lower

[JohnnyDragon]

Pa kako da im verujem?

Prvo su rekli da nece da se siri do Evrope, onda da mora karantin, zatvaranje, tu je slas.Posle da ce da nas spase samo vakcina, onda nije dovoljna vakcina, mora ipak i treća doza, posle tri, hej, pa treba i četvrta, sada nije nego, Omikorn, možda vakcinu zaobilazi...Pa šta vise treba drugari, da nam zamene krv vakcinom možda pa će da prodje?

[shonke]

I? Šta sad? Kakva je strategija?

 

Jedni se panično zaključavaju (meni NL reakcija izgleda kao potpuna panika), drugi se prave mrtvi, treći razmišljaju da li da se zaključaju ili ne.

 

Ima li neko bilo kakvu ideju šta sad? Vakcine ne rade protiv omicrona, prethodna infekcija ne radi protiv omicrona (ok, možda buster doza ima neku malu, 10-15% efikasnost, tako i prethodna infekcija ali je to beznačajno), zarazi se mnogo lakše i skoro mesec dana od izbijanja novog talasa u SA mi nemamo nikakav dokaz da je omicron blaži od delte ili bilo čega pre njega.

 

Vlasti, kao što već rekoh, se prave uglavnom mrtve, farma industrija se pravi polumrtva, oni će sad da prodaju buster doze i ove dve kompanije što prave mrnk vakcine su samo najavile da one mogu eto do marta da izbace anti-omicron verziju, ako im dozvole urgent bla bla bla.

Merck i Pfizer izbacili antiviral lek koji ne mogu da proizvedu u dovoljnim količinama ni za popuaciju jednog većeg grada...

 

Dakle, šta je strategija sad?