Dracarys Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, wwww said: Pariz i WTF bez poraza - bice ispred Novaka 590 bodova Sada je ostala još samo ova opcija. Pametan je Medvedev sa izbegavanjem turnira koje nose malo bodova, biće vremena za prvo mesto, već sledeće godine. Novak će svakako pasti sam zbog svojih godina. Novak da zaokruži samo još ovu godinu sa prvim mestom i to mu je dovoljno u karijeri. Sledeće godine je već nerealno da se juri prvo mesto čitave godine, iako bi možda imao municije za tako nešto, ipak glavni prioritet bi trebalo da ostanu samo slemovi. U zavisnosti šta Novak uradi na AO, ako ne osvoji, verujem da će prvo mesto pustiti niz vodu. Edited October 15, 2021 by Dracarys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwww Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 ima i opcija (teoretski) da odigra jos i Bec ili St Petersburg (ili Stokholm), ali uzimajuci u obzir razlog koji je naveo za povlacenje iz Moskve to nije realisticno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwww Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Ovim porazom je Zverev ispao iz trke za YE#1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milutinov Tata Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Novaku su rezultati iz IV "legli" kao i oni martovski iz Majamija, svi potencijalni konkuretni doziveli brodolom. Ovo njegovo neigranje Masters turnira ove sezone do sada nije donelo previse nevolja sto se liste tice. Medvedev samo 1730 bodova, Cicipas 2350, Zverev 2460. Novak 690. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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alcesta Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) Izgleda da bi igrači sad trebalo da unajme nekoga da im pazi na mesto na listi U ovoj verziji i Beretini se već kvalifikovao, znači još dva mesta: Edited October 18, 2021 by alcesta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cojep Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 ako su proracuni tacni, Novak teorijski moze izgubiti i prvo mesto na rejsu i br.1 na zvanicnoj listi do kraja godine, samo pod sledecim okolnostima: da ne odigra nista do kraja sezone, da u preostale 4 atp sedmice Medo i Cici igraju sva 4 finala (Bec 500, Pariz 1000, Stokholm 250 i Torino 1500), i da grk pobedi u sva 4. u tom slucaju bi Medvedev zavrsio prvi na rejsu, a Cicipas izbio na celo atp liste i docekao novu godinu kao 1. igrac sveta. Jolita kaze da ceka zvanican izlazak zreba za Bec bez Mede pa ce objaviti, tako da je to verovatno to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracarys Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Ma Grka ne bih računao iz principa. Nemoguće je da on bude prvi. Medvedev 100% neće igrati Beč i sve će se svesti na Pariz i Torino. Medvdedev mora da osvoji Pariz da bi ostao u igri za YE#1 i to da ne igra protiv Novaka, tj. da on kiksne u drugom, trećem kolu. Novak samo ako se oklizne na koru od banane i povredi se, Medvedev tada ima šansu da završi kao prvi, a i tad će biti preteško, jer treba imati makar finale Pariza i osvojen WTF. Čak i da se desi neki neočekivan poraz, tu je opet svakako Torino gde se opet može imati poraz da bi se prošla grupa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwww Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 sto Medvedev definitivno ne igra Bec znaci da je na oficijelnoj listi Novak sigurno prvi do januara. Ostaje race. po 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cojep Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 11 hours ago, wwww said: @Yolitatennis RANKINGS UPDATE FOR THE#NOLEFAM It is now mathematically impossible for Novak to lose the #1 ranking before January 10, 2022. pade Panco kao zrela kruska … sad i formalno 🙂 ostaju rejs trka i ITF dodele ali to ne menja stvari posto novu godinu docekuje kao #1 jos jedno kolosalno postignuce ..... Novak Djokovic 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2018, 2020, 2021. Pancho Gonzales 1952, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960.William Renshaw 1881, 1882, 1883, 1884, 1885, 1886, 1889.Bill Tilden 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1931.Rod Laver 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970.Pete Sampras 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998.Ken Rosewall 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1970.Jimmy Connors 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1982. * an undisputed number one player for the year is shown in bold (without another player regarded as co-number one) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwww Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Cojep said: pade Panco kao zrela kruska … sad i formalno 🙂 ostaju rejs trka i ITF dodele ali to ne menja stvari posto novu godinu docekuje kao #1 jos jedno kolosalno postignuce ..... Novak Djokovic 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2018, 2020, 2021. Pancho Gonzales 1952, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960.William Renshaw 1881, 1882, 1883, 1884, 1885, 1886, 1889.Bill Tilden 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1931.Rod Laver 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970.Pete Sampras 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998.Ken Rosewall 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1970.Jimmy Connors 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1982. * an undisputed number one player for the year is shown in bold (without another player regarded as co-number one) ako sam dobro shvatila: bold znaci da je teniser zavrsio godinu i kao #1 na ATP listi, a i proglasen je od ITF-a kao najbolji te godine (zbog najboljeg performansa na GS-ovima), a obicna "slova" znace da je neko drugi uzeo jednu od ove dve "titule" gore. jesam li dobro shvatila? u tom slucaju bi trebalo da je Novak vec obezbedio i ITF "titulu" najboljeg ove godine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwww Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Quote From 1973 onward: merit-based ATP rankings In August 1973 the ATP introduced its own rankings. These were published 11 times that year and with increasing frequency the following years until 1979 when from that year on they were published weekly. In the 1970s and 1980s they did not take into account certain events, such as the Davis Cup, the WCT Finals and the Masters (currently named the ATP Finals. Since 1990 the ATP does award points for ATP Finals. As well, the ATP point rankings did not award the Grand Slam tournaments which most often attracted the most top-ranked players in the world (Wimbledon and the U.S. Open) and, therefore, were the most valuable to win in the minds of both players and tennis journalists, a number of points commensurate with their importance. Some events[which?] which did not attract many or even a couple top-ranked players but offered high prize money were worth a higher number of points than their perceived importance. Quote Disputed rankings Other rankings proposed by tennis experts or by the players themselves could be more accurate because they included these events and adjusted the rankings to reflect the actual importance of particular tournaments. From 1973 to 2006 this list sometimes differs from the ATP list because it shows journalists (or even players) rankings released at the time and not the computer-based point rankings. In particular, Connors has been ranked No. 1, at the end of the year, from 1974 to 1978 by the ATP but the majority disagreed with the computer rankings: in 1975 leading journalists including John Barrett, Bud Collins, Barry Lorge and Judith Elian ranked Arthur Ashe as the No. 1 in the world while his ATP ranking was only 4th; in 1977, no one, except the ATP ranking, considered that Connors was the best player in the world, and everyone thought that Borg and Vilas were the top two tennis players; and in 1978 everyone and, in particular, the ITF recognized that Borg was the World Champion. In 1982 and 1989, respectively, Connors and Becker, both winners of Wimbledon and the US Open, were considered as World Champions even though the ATP ranked McEnroe and Lendl as No. 1 in those years. Since the mid-'90s the ATP rankings have generally been accepted by many as the official rankings (but in 1999 many considered Sampras as the second best player in the world while the ATP ranked Kafelnikov 2nd). Since 1978 the ITF (represented at the beginning by Sedgman, Hoad and Trabert) has designated its World Champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cojep Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 tako je, zato npr. Konorsove silne Ye-n1 sezone u Borgovo doba nisu boldovane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cojep Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) On 10/23/2021 at 11:20 AM, wwww said: in 1977, no one, except the ATP ranking, considered that Connors was the best player in the world, and everyone thought that Borg and Vilas were the top two tennis players malo o toj cudnovatoj 1977. kad su prvi i poslednji put u Open eri cak tri igraca slovila za najboljeg te godine. tad su odrzana dva Australian Opena, Konors je uglavnom igrao na WCT turu, a i Vilas i Borg su se prilicno vesto izbegavali ... otuda i malo medjusobnih okrsaja ove trojke obzirom na ogroman broj odigranih turnira i meceva te sezone. . Year-end computer rankings, 31. Dec. 1977. 1. Jimmy Connors USA 2. Guillermo Vilas ARG 3. Bjorn Borg SWE 4. Vitas Gerulaitis USA 5. Brian Gottfried USA 6. Eddie Dibbs USA 7. Manuel Orantes ESP 8. Raul Ramirez MEX 9. Ilie Nastase ROU 10. Dick Stockton USA . Guillermo Vilas 1977. season 136-14 W-L16 titles Springfield - Buenos Aires 1 - Virginia Beach - Roland Garros - Kitzbuhel - Washington - Louisville - South Orange - Columbus - US Open - Paris - Tehran - Bogota - Santiago - Buenos Aires 2 - Johanesburg 26 finalist Australian Open 1 - Baltimore - Palm Springs - Johanesburg 1 - Nice - Aix en Provence Bjorn Borg 1977. season 78-7 W-L12 titles Boca Raton - Memphis - Nice - Monte Carlo - Denver - Wimbledon - Hilton Head - Madrid - Barcelona - Basel - Cologne - Wembley2 finalist Johanesburg - NY Masters Jimmy Connors 1977. season 69-11 W-L8 titles Birmingham - St Louis - Las Vegas 1 - Dallas WCT - Maui - Sydney - Las Vegas 2 - NY Masters6 finalist Philadelphia - Toronto - Wimbledon - Boca Raton - Indianapolis - US Open . 1977. H2H Borg - Vilas 3-0 Nice F clay Borg 6-4 1-6 6-2 6-0 Monte Carlo SF clay Borg 6-2 6-3 NY Masters SF carpet Borg 6-3 6-3 Borg - Connors 2-1 Boca Raton F clay Borg 6-4 5-7 6-3 Wimbledon F grass Borg 3-6 6-2 6-1 5-7 6-4 NY Masters F carpet Connors 6-4 1-6 6-4 Vilas - Connors 2-0 US Open F clay Vilas 2-6 6-3 7-6 6-0 NY Masters RR carpet Vilas 6-4 3-6 7-5 . 1977. H2H vs Top 10 Borg 16-3 Connors 15-8 Vilas 13-5 . Pustite kompjutere, neka ljudi odluče 17. januar 1978. Associated Press "Od sada će svi znati ko je pravi i jedini šampion", uzviknuo je mesije Filip Šatrije, predsednik Međunarodne Teniske Federacije (ITF) na jučerašnjoj pres-konferenciji u Parizu. Počevši od sledeće godine, ITF će nam preko "ekspertskog panela" u januaru, objaviti ko je najbolji na svetu u muškoj i ženskoj konkurenciji. Drugim rečima, dođavola više sa kompjuterima i sistemima bodovanja, ovi posmatrači će vam sledećeg januara reći ko su bili najbolji u ovoj godini: Muškarci: Don Badž, Fred Peri, Lu Houd. Žene: Margaret Kort, Margaret Dupont, En Džouns Da, to su višestruki osvajači grend slem trofeja - Vimbldona, Forest Hilsa, Pariza, Australije - i da, konačna odluka će se u velikoj meri oslanjati na učinak kandidata na istim tim turnirima. Na izbor će takođe uticati i Dejvis Kup, Masters i WCT finale - za muškarce, kao i Fed Kup, Virdžinija Slims i finale serije Kolgejt - za žene. Ljudski element pri izboru je neophodan, kaže Šatrije, zbog subjektivnih faktora kao što je Dejvis Kup: „Igrač kao što je Giljermo Vilas, na primer, nema dostojnog partnera koji bi mu pomogao da prebrodi ranu fazu Dejvis Kupa. Sa druge strane, bilo bi nepravedno izostaviti Dejvis Kup pri donošenju odluke." Predsedavajući je još rekao: „Mislimo da je bilo dosta sa proglašenjima takozvanih nezvaničnih šampiona - posebno u Sjedinjenim Državama, gde su sva trojica (Vilas, Džimi Konors i Bjorn Borg) našli svoju stručnu podršku kao svetski broj 1 za 1977. godinu“. I neće biti novčane nagrade za ovo ITF priznanje - "Ne želimo da nas uhvati sve veća komercijalizacija sporta. Nećemo dozvoliti bilo kakvo sponzorstvo ove titule". . . Edited October 24, 2021 by Cojep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cojep Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Top 20 igraci po godistima - najbolji plasman 1990. Raonic 3 , Goffin 7 , Janowicz 14 , Pella 20 1991. Dimitrov 3 , Carreno Busta 10 1992. Schwartzman 8 , Sock 8 , Basilashvili 16 , Cecchinato 16 , Tomic 17 1993. Thiem 3 , Karatsev 19 1994. Pouille 10 1995. Kyrgios 13 , Edmund 14 , Norrie 14 1996. Medvedev 2 , Berrettini 7 , Khachanov 8 , Coric 12 , Garin 17 , Chung 19 1997. Zverev 3 , Rublev 5 , Hurkacz 10 , Opelka 19 1998. Tsitsipas 3 , Ruud 8 1999. Shapovalov 10 , De Minaur 15 2000. Auger-Aliassime 11 2001. Sinner 11 Nori i Karacev malo popravili saldo svojih vrsnika.. a mozda im se u dogledno vreme pridruze Evans, Sonego, Fucovic & co 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Setzer Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 @wwww to je lista s Vikipedije u koju su ubačeni svi godišnji prvi, po nečijem izboru, ima objašnjenje (ranije, birali ih sportski časopisi i slično). Zvanično, nezvanično, oficijalno, neoficijalno, NĐ je stigao do brojki gde nema više nikog ispred. Još jedino taj rejs da bude prvi i toliko, ja apsolutno ništa ne očekujem od završnog turnira (u smislu da ga osvoji). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cojep Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) Pancove #1 sezone sa liste (1952-1960) priznaje Teniska kuca slavnih (International Tennis Hall of Fame, Newport) i sve do Novaka sad je bio suvereni rekorder po tom pitanju Edited October 25, 2021 by Cojep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwww Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Oficijelna ATP lista uopste nije pouzdana, nasla sam im (sasvim slucajno) gresku: Nakashimi su dali za Sinsinati 10 bodova iako je on dobio WC i izgubio odmah 1. mec, a po pravilima u tom slucaju bi trebalo da dobije 0 bodova (tako im stoji kad se na stranici Nakashime klikne na aktivnosti igraca u 2021, ali u konacnom zbiru mu tu racunaju 10 bodova). Da ne pricam sto Novaku i dalje racunaju titulu na AO od 2020 umesto iz 2021 (i naravno da se datumi skidanja bodova razlikuju - Novaku stoji da mu se 2000 bodova s AO skida 31.1., a Medvedevu 1200 bodova 21.2.) Ko zna kakve jos gluposti su napravili. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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