Angelia

To je tvoja pozicija i ok je. Nemam sta da branim Trampa, nije umesan. Medjutim posto cemo pre ili kasnije da imamo predsednicke izbore, smatram ovo itekako bitnim - a o tome se diskutovalo na ovoj temi. Izuzetno bias pozicija medija.

Interesantan podatak za Filadelfiju, nije bas vezano za ovo ali moze da pokaze kako brojke idu u klasterima: The Department of Public Health confirmed six additional fatalities in Philadelphia. This brings the number of residents who have succumbed to the virus in Philadelphia to 472. Of the 472 total deaths, 252 (53%) were long-term care facility residents.

pa ja i nisam ocenjivala sta je tacno, nego kako se tretira u odredjenim medijima. Lepo zena pitala, sta da sam optuzila Trampa? eto zapitaj se, kako ti ovde bitno da je on vec bio Senator, a nije ti bilo bitno da je ono bila prica sa koledza, koja nema nikakve veze sa odraslom osobom. Ali ajde, nije da sam ocekivala da se licemerje prizna.

Protest u Micigenu ipak doneo neke rezultate: The new order, Whitmer said, eases those restrictions. It allows in-state travel, motor boating and golfing, but golf carts cannot be used. "While it's understandable to be lured by the phenomenal beauty of this great state and hit the road, we know that our rural hospitals are not equipped to meet an influx of people who may bring or spread the virus," Whitmer said, urging residents to continue to follow social distancing rules. Big-box retailers no longer have to close off garden centers and areas dedicated to selling carpeting, flooring, furniture, garden centers, plant nurseries or paint. Landscapers, lawn-service companies, plant nurseries, and bike repair shops can also resume operating, but all are subject to social distancing rules. The order also allows stores selling non-essential items to reopen, but only using curbside pickup and delivery. Whitmer also said that people are now required to wear face coverings in enclosed public spaces, such as grocery stores. Employers must also provide non-medical grade masks to their in-person employees. She asked the public to use cloth face coverings and reserve medical-grade masks for health care workers.

Interesatna ideja, i kontra argumenti: That process could get a push from the Israeli study, which surfaced this week on MedRxiv, a website where researchers share their preliminary work. Matthew Liao, who directs the Center for Bioethics at New York University, said the impulse to find a shortcut out of the pandemic is entirely reasonable. “But it’s a bad idea,” he said of the Israeli proposal. To embrace such a strategy as a way to lessen the population’s economic suffering “is a bit of a false dilemma,” he said. Beside risking lives to engage in a population-wide medical experiment, “there are a lot of other ways to reduce the economic impact” of a prolonged campaign of social distancing, he said. In an actual controlled avalanche, safety experts engineer the periodic release of a mountainside’s buildup of snow to keep the valley below from becoming entombed. In the coronavirus version, the Israeli researchers propose to recruit waves of healthy volunteers in their 20s, 30s and 40s who are willing to be deliberately infected. In numbers that never exceed Israel’s healthcare capacity, the volunteers would weather any symptoms, recover, and rejoin a growing population of immune compatriots. The rest of the country would remain locked down. If 80% of eligible Israelis sign up to be infected, virtually all of these “controlled avalanche” graduates would join the ranks of those who recovered from unintentional infections, the authors calculate. Applying age-specific death rates tallied in Wuhan, China, to Israel's population, the team estimated that 2,540 of those volunteers would die from COVID-19. But within roughly 200 days, they say, somewhere between 40% and 71% of Israel’s population of 8.9 million would gain immunity from the virus the old-fashioned way. At that point, the coronavirus would run up against so many immune Israelis that its spread would virtually stop. This collective state of herd immunity would protect those, including the old and vulnerable, who had stayed at home as the controlled avalanches tumbled down outside. Compared to a strategy in which all Israelis are urged to stay inside and practice social distancing, the controlled avalanche strategy would reduce overall deaths by 43%, the researchers calculate. The benefits of herd immunity after the lockdown ends would save the lives of Israelis who are more vulnerable to the virus. And that point would come faster, cutting deaths further. Cumulatively, implementing a controlled avalanche strategy would drive down the maximum number of people who need intensive hospital care by 62%, the study authors said. And half of the people at low risk of becoming ill could leave their homes and go back to work two months earlier. “Implementation of the controlled avalanche policy is thus the safest among all the possible options,” the authors conclude. Johns Hopkins University bioethicist Jeffrey Kahn said the new research is problematic because it relies on facts about the virus’ behavior and impact that are still in dispute. The idea that those between 20 and 49 would die of COVID-19 in such small numbers has been countered by later studies and by many case reports, Kahn said. So has the belief that reinfection doesn’t happen after a person has recovered. One study released this week suggested that as many as 30% of those who have recovered produce very low levels of protective antibodies, and in 10% of cases the levels were too low to be detectable, calling their immunity into question. The World Health Organization went further in a scientific brief released Friday. Pushing back against proposals by some countries to issue "immunity passports" to those who have recovered, the WHO warned that even people with coronavirus antibodies may be vulnerable to a second infection. Researchers are a long way from having the data in hand to pinpoint the level of population immunity necessary for the pandemic to fizzle, Kahn added. https://news.yahoo.com/could-controlled-avalanche-stop-coronavirus-212135278.html

Jesam, da nema dokaza, i ovde kazem da nema dokaza. Ja upravo ukazujem na licemerje medija koje je u tom slucaju napravilo cirkus - a ovde cuti. Znaci uopste nisam rekla da je ovo istinito, ustvari je veoma slicno, osim tog videa koji ne dokazuje mnogo. Interesatno kako pokusavas da izvrces moje reci

Ja se pozivam na ono sto je Tramp rekao na toj konferenciji, znaci samo cinjenice a ne interpretacije koje neki ovde prave. Da bi nekog nazivao monstrumom, taj mora da smisli ozbiljno sranje, pokusa da pocini ozbiljan zlocin. To preterivanje je upravo zasto moje racionalno gledanje na cinjenice deluje kao odbrana, a ne zato sto to stvarno jeste. Pitanja jesu bila glupa, i nije im bilo mesto na toj KZS, ali ni u kom slucaju nije bilo pozivanje na ubrizgavanje cloroxa ili guranje UV lampe tamo gde joj mesto nije. Inace, na totalno drugaciju temu: licemerje levih medija koje se pokazuje.....u tretiranju ove prijave za sexual harassment za Bidena je neverovatno. Ne da ova zena ima znacajno dokaza za svoju tvrdnju, osim tog snimka telefonskog poziva u Larry King emisiji devedeset i neke, ali postavlja stvarno interesatno pitanje: "I guess my question is, if this were Donald Trump, would they treat it the same way? If this were Brett Kavanaugh, did they treat it the same way?" she continued. "In other words, it's politics and political agenda playing a role in objective reporting and asking the question." https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/lost-total-respect-biden-sexual-assault-accuser-blasts-anderson-cooper-for-not-asking-about-allegations

Naplatili su za uslugu koja nije pruzena. Koliko se ja jos secam zakona o obligacionim odnosima treba da vrate pare, isto kao ako su oni uplatili neke aranzmane - ti kojima su platili treba da vrate pare.

Ovo jeste veliko razocarenje jer se racunalo da je to sigurica.

Ugovor. Uredba bi bila samo za one sto nemaju takvu klauzulu, tako valjda treba. Zasto bi vlada donosila uredbu po kojoj treba da se dobijaju vauceri a ne novac, kad je novac dogovoren?

Ja nemam pojma sta pricas, ja rekoh da im je model pokazao da cak i nisu uveli mere maximum bi bio 22k obolelih. kako ti to razumes kao da nisu uveli mere, kad ti svuda pise da protestuju protiv mera - nemam pojma. Ja nemam potrebe da idem na te mitinge, meni ekonomsko prezivljavanje nije ugrozeno ovim merama, to sto mi zezaju um je vec druga prica. Ali ja mogu da radim od kuce poprilicno, znaci nisam ugrozena. neki ljudi jesu, i aj ih razumem da prave izbor izmedju razboleti se i preziveti. Ili treba biti dovoljno ocajan. Posto ne postoji drugi nacin kako da budes "protiv" tih mera, u svoja 4 zida. Sta pricas ti? Kakva vlast organizuje mitinge? Zato sto vlast organizuje onda je onu sto je organizovala u NJ uhapsila. Nemoj molim te tumacenja koja nemaju veze sa realnoscu.

Pratim ja cifre, samo ti kazem da ih mogucnost od 10k obolelih i 700 mrtvih nije brinula kad su organizovali primaries. A i nije se desilo, tako da ta tvoja procena je potpuno bez osnova. pogotovo kad znamo da je model za Wisconsin da nije uveo nikakve mere pokazao maximum 22k obolelih i 1500 umrlih. Dok su im zahtevi za nezaposlenost skoro dostigli 600k nedeljno. Nemam pojma zasto ne razumes da se svaki region mora posmatrati zasebno. Nemoze se ostati u kuci dok ovaj virus ne nestane. Jer nece nestati.

Dobro je sto nisi advokat. I vratili smo se na argument toalet papira Jel vidis koliko si neozbiljan, ako prodajes ovde ideju kako je predsednik Amerike zaduzen za toalet papir?

Ali ovo nije protest za US, nego za Wisconsin, koji ima aktivnih 3,100 obolelih, i 266 preminulih, i 5.8 mil stanovnika Onaj isti Wisconsin koji je dozvolio glasanje za primaries - ali ne dozvoljava da ljudi rade. naravno uz primenu nekih pravila. Rekla sam i ranije, neke od drzava preteruju.

Ne znas engleski pa ga ne razumes sta je rekao?

Ja objasnila u samom startu sta sam mislila da kazem, razvlacenje nakon toga sta je "profesionalni politicar", se i radilo da bi se ta izjava preokrenula u tvoj bold. On je i dobio izbore zato sto su ljudi bili zasiceni BSom profesionalnih politicara, koji prave dilove koje glasaci ne podrzavaju, onako ispod zita.

Nije se bavio lecenjem, nego je pitao profesionalce da li tako nesto moze da se proveri. Sole employment/political in nature. A ne privremeno. Mislim stvarno..... nemam pojma sta pokusavate da dokazete kad svi znamo da on nije profesionalni politicar. Ako to mora da se razvlaci na dve strane - onda stvarno pokusavate da srozate dijalog na trolovanje.

Sva sreca da nisi pravnik...

Kao sto rekoh, zna se u kom smislu se ovde koristi izraz profesionalni politicar, i ja sam ga na taj nacin i iskoristila. Neko ko bi znao in and out kako funkcionise Kapitol, i kako se pregovara izmedju razlicitih struja, sta moze sta ne moze, ko podrzava i iz kog razloga odredjene koncepte.... Trump to nije, on i dalje misli da je to firma, i stalno gazi po prstima raznih profesionalnih politicara, sto ocigledno njega i zabole da to radi, jer definitivno nakon ove pozicije nije zainteresovan za karijeru u politici. Tako da - on jeste amater u politici.

Onima koji ocigledno ne poznaju sistem, pa se tripuju. Zna se jako dobro sta se misli kad se kaze "profesionalni politicar" sto recimo Biden jeste. Profesionalni politicari prodju kroz Kongres ili Senat, ili na drzavnom nivou, vise godina - i to im je karijera, 4 godine ga ne cine profesionalnim politicarem. On nikad pre ovoga nije drzao bilo koju politicku funkciju - sto ce reci da je u tome laik. Isto kao kad bi se sutra ja kandidovala za Kongres recimo, pa da dobijem - to me ne cini profesionalnim politicarem, osim ako od toga ne napravim karijeru. A ti sad to cetvori kako hoces.

Pravicemo se da CDC nije pre nedelju dana izdao upozorenje da su primetili skoro pa epidemiju trovanja dezinfekcionim sredstvima od pocetka virusa. Jbga srbija belim lukom i rakijom, US dezinfekcionim sredstvima i svakakvim lekovima. Znaju ljudi i sami da se dosete idiotluka. Pomenula ja kad je bilo pre dve nedelje na onoj strucnoj temi, da mi covek, inzinjer nuklearno nesto, prijavio da se samoleci antimalaricima i cinkom, a bivsa supruga mu lekar. Pa ti sad vidi....

Ne moze da bude profesionalni politicar kad se nikad u zivotu nije bavio politikom. Znamo kad je nekome nesto profesija. Ja ne umanjujem njegova ovlastenja nego ih objasnjavam, zato sto ocigledno mnogi ne razumeju da on ne moze da radi sta god hoce i da postoji podela vlasti. Mogao je da ne uvede vanredno stanje, ili da ga ukine, sto i dalje ne menja cinjenicu da on nema jurisdikciju kako se to vanredno stanje primenjuje. I da ga ukine, oni i dalje mogu da nastave. Tramp ima velika ovlastenja u spoljnoj politici.

Probaj to sa mamom, koja ti uporno servira sarmu jer je pomesala koje od njene dece voli to jelo... Ajde reci joj, pogresno dete ili ti napravi punjene paprike a ti si u fazonu idem da zvacem cipele....sine a sto ti odvajas papriku.. Zato sto celog zivota ne jedem papriku!!!!

Pa upravo si imala dokaz u praksi, on je mislio da isto moze da naredjuje lokalnoj vlasti, kad ono - ne moze! To sam ja pricala od njegovog izbora, relax, predsednik ima ogranicenja. Da je neki profesionalni politicar ja bi se zabrinula, ovako....Nije on nikakva opasnost.

Naravno, on ima pravo da upravlja kabinetom, ali ne upravlja on "drzavom i zivotima 330 miliona". Kao sto smo videli iz primera ovog virusa - njegova uloga kao predsednika je daleko vise limitirana nego nekog predsednika/premijera u Evropi. On ima vise prava u spoljnoj politici nego u unutrasnjoj. Zato i postoji podela vlasti u Ustavu, da jedan covek nikad ne upravlja "drzavom i zivotima 330 miliona"