Angelia

UK odobravanje, MRHA nisu preterane birokrate kao FDA - laksi su u proceduri ali su izuzetno striktni. Iskreno receno ne znam da su pravili velike greske u tome, nisam specijalno cula, ali znam da su i inace daleko brzi nego FDA Hehe uvek pobrkam skracenicu, da dobrano ih znam i verujem im vise nego svima ostalima.

Imali smo i mi jednog sto je napisao knjigu usred pandemije o svom velikom uspehu....sa najvecim brojem umrlim. Neki ljudi imaju jako los osecaj za timing

Dve vesti dana: 1. Ostala sam shokirana CNN je otkrio da je Kina lagala o ciframa obolelih i umrlih. Oni ko kostunica. 2. CDC objavio da su testirali uzorke krvi iz Crvenog Krsta iz decembra 2019 - koja je donirana i nasli pozitivne slucajeve (cak i nakon provere da nije neki drugi virus) The new coronavirus infected people in the U.S. in mid-December 2019, a few weeks before it was officially identified in China and about a month earlier than public health authorities found the first U.S. case, according to a government study published Monday. The findings significantly strengthen evidence suggesting the virus was spreading around the world well before public health authorities and researchers became aware, upending initial thinking about how early and quickly it emerged. Scientists at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found evidence of infection in 106 of 7,389 blood donations collected by the American Red Cross from residents in nine states across the U.S., according to the study published online in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases. The scientists based their study on blood samples that the American Red Cross collected between Dec. 13 and Jan. 17 and later sent to the CDC for testing to see if any had antibodies to the new coronavirus, which is named SARS-CoV-2. “SARS-CoV-2 infections may have been present in the U.S. in December 2019, earlier than previously recognized,” the authors wrote. Znaci reagovanje, ne reagovanje ranije...ko zna i koliko ljudi je inficirano transfuzijom, znaci kad je Kina prvi put objavila postojanje virusa, vec je bilo kasno.

Ma ja ono martu trebala da idem za CA a tamo vec bilo dosta slucajeva, bas pred lockdown, i porucim dve vrste jedna n95 (kao za avion) a druge neke platnene sto mozes da stavis filter ....tih prvih par nedelja ni u prodavnicu nisam isla, pa se setim maski kasnije, kad nigde nije bilo da se kupi, kad otvorim prvi paket a ono "made in China" Bila sam srecna sto su par nedelja sedele ne iskoriscene - ali lepo su me sluzile, i sluze. Crne, tako da idu uz svaki outfit

Ja jos imam one sto sam kupila bas pred pocetak pandemije - a n95 nisam ni upotrebila peremo. Iako da sam letela ko ti ko zna kako bi to izgledalo....

Uh znam kako ti je. Kad se osecas bespomocno i samo mozes da sedis i cekas. Uzasno mi je zao da si prosla kroz taj stres, ali sve je dobro sto se dobro zavrsi. Uvek kazem da kad jednom odlucis da budes roditelj, tvoj zivot vise nije tvoj.

Svasta, ovo je kad se od izjave da nedostatak moze da skodi, pretvori u "vi mislite da to leci". A to niko od lekara ko preporucuje uzimanje suplemenata ne govori. I kakva je to izjava "sta ako neko pomisli da ga to stiti"? Pa sta ako pomisli da ga Bog stiti? Vidimo da su svi ovi kojima je otkriven deficit isli kod lekara i otkrili ga prvo Ne znam zasto, ali nekako mi lakse da verujem Cleveland Clinic istrazivacima, nego Neveni, znam da su neki od njih kreteni, ali nisu glupi. umesto toga dobijemo eh da ste zdravi ne bi bili bolesni.

Znaci nema naucnog argumenta, posto u barovima, restoranima i teretani niko izmedju 22 i 5 nece raditi nista drugacije nego ostalih 17 sati u toku dana. A ako hoce da se zabavljaju i piju okupice se u necijoj kuci, ili lokalnom parku do rane zore (ionako je jeftinije) 00

Ne, pricamo o ovome sada posto je ovo nova mera, za koju ne postoji potreba. Znaci nije deo onih prethodnih mera. Znaci nema uticaja na pandemiju. Vec se znalo da sa starim merama restorani ne uticu znacajno na sirenje virusa, tako da restrikcija kako ce otici manje ljudi ne utice na broj zarazenih. Moze da utice da restorani skrate vreme jela na manje od sat ipo da bi povecali broj gostiju koji prodju kroz restoran.....sto bi u stvari imalo kontra efekat. Oni ne rade, ili ako rade, rade sad kao restorani, znaci nebitno. To i dalje nema veze sa nepotrebnim zatvaranjem. Ti objasnjavas kako moze taj neko da ide i tokom dana (kad ima vise ljudi, znaci povecava mogucnost zaraze) ali mi ne dajes argument zasto bi zatvaranje imalo bilo kakve veze sa pandemijom. Znaci nepotrebna blesava mera, zasto - niko nece da odgovori. A to je bila poenta od kako sam pomenula zasto ljudi gube poverenje u mere, zbog ovakvih gluposti, koje samo maltretiraju ljude.

Interesatno da si pitao ovo i evo upravo naleteh na nesto: What have studies into vitamin D and Covid-19 shown? When? September. By who? Cordoba University in Spain. What did scientists study? 50 Covid-19 hospital patients with Covid-19 were given vitamin D. Their health outcomes were compared with 26 volunteers in a control group who were not given the tablets. What did they find? Only one of the 50 patients needed intensive care and none died. Half of 26 virus sufferers who did not take vitamin D were later admitted to intensive care and two died. What were the study's limitations? Small pool of volunteers. Patients' vitamin D levels were not checked before admission. Comorbidities were not taken into consideration. When? September. By Who? University of Chicago. What did scientists study? 500 Americans' vitamin D levels were tested. Researchers then compared volunteers' levels with how many caught coronavirus. What did they find? 60 per cent higher rates of Covid-19 among people with low levels of the 'sunshine vitamin'. What were the study's limitations? Researchers did not check for other compounding factors. Unclear whether or not volunteers were vitamin D deficient at the time of their coronavirus tests. People's age, job and where they lived - factors which greatly increase the chance of contracting the virus - were not considered. When? September. By Who? Tehran University, in Iran, and Boston University. What did scientists study? Analysed data from 235 hospitalized patients with Covid-19. What did they find? Patients who had sufficient vitamin D - of at least 30 ng/mL— were 51.5 per cent less likely to die from the disease. They also had a significantly lower risk of falling seriously ill or needing ventilation. Patients who had plenty of the nutrient also had less inflammation - often a deadly side effect of Covid-19. What were the study's limitations? Confounding factors, such as smoking, and social economic status were not recorded for all patients and could have an impact on illness severity. When? July. By Who? Tel Aviv University, Israel. What did scientists study? 782 people who tested positive for coronavirus had their vitamin d levels prior to infection assessed retrospectively and compared to healthy people. What did they find? People with vitamin D levels below 30 ng/ml - optimal - were 45 per cent more likely to test positive and 95 per cent more likely to be hospitalised. What were the study's limitations? Did not look at underlying health conditions and did not check vitamin D levels at the time of infection. When? June. By Who? Brussels Free University. What did scientists study? Compared vitamin D levels in almost 200 Covid-19 hospital patients with a control group of more than 2,000 healthy people. What did they find? Men who were hospitalised with the infection were significantly more likely to have a vitamin D deficiency than healthy men of the same age. Deficiency rates were 67 per cent in the COVID-19 patient group, and 49 per cent in the control group. The same was not found for women. What were the study's limitations? Independent scientists say blood vitamin D levels go down when people develop serious illness, which the study did not take into consideration. This suggests that it is the illness that is leading to lower blood vitamin D levels in this study, and not the other way around. When? June. By who? Inha University in Incheon, South Korea. What did scientists study? 50 hospital patients with Covid-19 were checked for levels of all vital vitamins and compared to a control group. What did they find? 76 per cent of them were deficient in vitamin D, and a severe vitamin D deficiency (<10 ng/dl) was found in 24 per cent of Covid-19 patients and just 7 per cent in the control group. What were the study's limitations? Small sample size and researchers never accounted for vitamin levels dropping when they fall ill. When? June. By Who?. Independent scientists in Indonesia. What did scientists study? Checked vitamin D levels in 780 Covid-19 hospital patients. What did they find? Almost 99% of patients who died had vitamin D deficiency. Of patients with vitamin D levels higher than 30 ng/ml - considered optimal - only per cent died. What were the study's limitations? It was not peer-reviewed by fellow scientists, a process that often uncovers flaws in studies. When? May. By Who? University of Glasgow. What did scientists study? Vitamin D levels in 449 people from the UK Biobank who had confirmed Covid-19 infection. What did they find? Vitamin D deficiency was associated with an increased risk in infection - but not after adjustment for con-founders such as ethnicity. It led to the team to conclude their 'findings do not support a potential link between vitamin D concentrations and risk of Covid-19 infection.' What were the study's limitations? Vitamin D levels were taken 10 to 14 years beforehand. When? May. By Who? University of East Anglia. What did scientists study? Average levels of vitamin D in populations of 20 European countries were compared with Covid-19 infection and death rates at the time. What did they find? The mean level of vitamin D in each country was 'strongly associated' with higher levels of Covid-19 cases and deaths. The authors said at the time: 'The most vulnerable group of population for Covid-19 is also the one that has the most deficit in vitamin D.' What were the study's limitations? The number of cases in each country was affected by the number of tests performed, as well as the different measures taken by each country to prevent the spread of infection. And it only looked at correlation, not causation. When? May. By Who? Northwestern University. What did scientists study? Crunched data from dozens of studies around the world that included vitamin D levels among Covid-19 patients. What did they find? Patients with a severe deficiency are twice as likely to experience major complications and die. What were the study's limitations? Cases and deaths in each country was affected by the number of tests performed. Imas i novu neku studiju iz Londona: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9005225/Vitamin-supplements-cut-womens-risk-catching-Covid-19-study-claims.html

Kakve veze ima broj zarazenih sa time da je ista situacija u 9.30 i u 10.30? Mozda ti imas neko objasnjenje ali ga ja ne razumem. Prvo sva istrazivanja te demantuju, da se virus ne zadrzava toliko dugo ni u zatvorenim prostorijama ni na povrsinama. Drugo, restorani ne mogu da imaju centralnu klimu za celu zgradu, nije po zakonu. Mozes da imas manju centralnu ako je restoran manji, ali ce i dalje biti odvojen od zgrade. Tako da sorry nisam razumela poentu. Pokusavas da kazes da ako rade duze, iako je isti kapacitet, iako i dalje ljudi ne ostaju duze nego ograniceno vreme...nekako 2 sata duze radno vreme ugrozava vise ljudi? Posto restorani ionako zatvaraju kuhinje u ponoc.... iako do sada po tracingu nema dokaza da se ljudi masovno inficiraju u restoranima, upravo suprotno, imas podatke da to nije tacno, i da se najvise virusa siri u licnim kontaktima, u grupnim okupljanjima (crkva, politicki skupovi). Medjutim posto ovo zadnje nisu mogli da zabrane (probali pa im SC rekao nije ustavno) onda se smisljaju ovakve alibi mere - za koje nema nikakvih naucnih dokaza da menjaju nesto Poeenta i jeste da imas ljude koji dolaze posle 10, namerno kad ima najmanje ljudi, ali ova mera ce ih ugurati u vecu grupu, znaci izloziti ih riziku. Kakve veze ima koliko ljudi zavrsi u teretani do 10 sa zatvaranjem? Jel mozes da mi das razlog kako to zaustavlja pandemiju. A za nocne klubove vec objasnila, oni ionako ne rade kao nocni klub, ako uopste neki radi, a ne rade....jer moraju da sluze hranu. Opet, sve sam ovo objasnila da nema veze sa situacijom u NY, zbog vec postojecih mera. Barovima u restoranima nije dozvoljeno da rade, nema tu nikakve interakcije sa ljudima u restoranu gde se jede u drustvu. Znaci bukvalno nikakva korist od toga samo steta. Ja bih rekla da vi to projektujete SR na USA, pa vam nije jasno da restoran u NY nije kafana na Skadarliji. Imala sam ja svojevremeno pitanje tako od mog roditelja koji je hteo da ga odvedem u lokalnu kafanu da poprica sa ljudima

Iskreno receno meni nije bilo jasno zasto si odgovarala na moj post posto ocigledno nisi razumela zasto su mere neutemeljene i besmislene u tom slucaju (i jos nekim navedenim u tom textu koji sam linkovala). Ako neko kod koga barovi i restorani, rade smanjenim kapacitetom, mislim da su tamo na 25%, i uz to ogranicava goste na 1.5 sat boravka u istom, uz obavezu da kupi hranu da bi imao pice, znaci nema guzve i nema sanse napijanja - dodati na to i jos moraju da zatvore u 10 pm, uopste nema smisla. I objasnjenje da je to zato da se ne bi napijali je totalno besmisleno. Da ne pominjem zatvaranje teretana u 10 pm - nikakvog smisla, niti je bilo kakva argumentacija koju si dala uopste dotakla stvarno stanje. Tvoja argumentacije je kao da nikakva ogranicenja ne postoje - pa kao ajde da zatvore u 10, ovo se odnosi na barove i restorane. U slucaju teretana je samo kontraproduktivno, jer to znaci da ce oni koji dolaze kasno sad jos pokusavati da se uguraju u skraceno vreme i praviti veci problem. Potpuno besmisleno gusenje i to malo biznisa koji pokusavaju da prezive. Isto besmislena mera kao i ona u Kaliforniji, da se ne mogu posecivati rodjaci i prijatelji od 10 uvece do 5 ujutru. Znaci mozes da provedes ceo dan kod nekoga, i pandemija se nece siriti, ali ako prespavas hoce - gde je tu logika? U tom slucaju ja sam zavrsila pricu Imas dosta materijala o uzimanju vitamina kao o najboljoj prevenciji, tj nije prevencija nego kao i ako dobijes virus imaces blazi oblik jer ce ti imuni sistem biti jaci. Sto se tice istrazivanja nisam videla nijedno, drugi link je Cleveland clinic i oni kazu da istrazivanje ne postoji https://healthnewshub.org/vitamins-vs-covid-19-these-3-and-zinc-will-reinforce-your-immune-system/ https://consultqd.clevelandclinic.org/covid-19-and-supplements-what-we-know-now/ Generalno mislim da se za sada lekari slazu da moze samo da pomogne.

Jel zna neko jel ovo tacno i mozda detalje: Switzerland is emerging as a model for how the coronavirus can be contained without a national lockdown, after daily new infections halved since the start of November despite pubs, restaurants, gyms and sports remaining open in much of the country. The figures were hailed as a triumph for the “Swiss special way” by Swiss government doctors last week, and will be seen as evidence that regional tiers can work in the UK. Rather than ordering a general lockdown, Switzerland allowed regions to decide their own measures and only the worst-hit imposed tough restrictions. But critics have charged that the success came at too high a price, after the country experienced some of the highest death rates in Europe. https://news.yahoo.com/switzerland-halves-infections-without-national-154343012.html

Prvo, ja te nisam pitala da spekulises o mom zivotu, sta ja radim u teretani je moja stvar, sigurno se ne alkoholisem. Kakve to veze ima sa zatvaranjem u 10 pm, sta do 10 se ne znoje - samo posle toga? Kakve to veze ima sa bilo cime, isto radim u restoranu u 7 uvece i u 10 uvece. Pogotovo sto su slotovi da jedes sat ipo. Ne znam sta treba da popijem za to vreme da se napijem.... Ali samo nakon 10 uvece Nesto mi deluje da ti nikad nisi bila u NY ako ti je 100$ fancy vecera i tura pica. To je cena za Applbees a ne za fancy restoran. Znaci nema sta da pije - zabranjeno je tocenje alkohola ako svaka osoba ne poruci po jedno jelo, i ima tacno definicija sta se racuna u jelo. Ima alkoholicara samo oni ne piju uz veceru u restoranu jbte Nemoj pokusavati da odbranis neodbranjivo, znaci gomila ljudi je trazila objasnjenje i nije dobila, zato sto mere nemaju smisla, ali evo ti ces da ih objasnis iako ne znas ni koliko je pice u NY, niti kakve su mere vec postavljene.

I to bi sve imalo smisla kad ne bi postojalo ogranicenje kapaciteta u restoranima i barovima (pa nece biti blize), kao prvo a kao drugo da od kada im je dozvoljeno da rade, cak ni barovi ne smeju da sluze pice bez jela. pa se ti napij. Ili da ti preracunam u najjeftinijim barovima, tura pica za 4 osobe je preko 100$.

Veoma sam prijatno iznenadjena da ima mesta na kojima se ljudi napijaju u teretani To mi je stvarno novost. Kod nas u US u teretanama ne nude alkohol...... Imamo cak i restorane koji ne nude alkohol, i generalno restorani ne sluze za napijanje, za to budes izbacen iz restorana.

Kada se ljudi pitaju zasto ima dosta skepticizma po pitanju mera, i zasto se ljudi bune, ovaj text daje samo primere totalno pogresnih odluka. Izmedju ostalog, i zasto se virus siri i medju onima koji postuju mere: zato sto su mere idiotske There was no way for the general public to know, at first, that the recommendation to stay 6 feet apart originated in part from a 3-foot rule determined by decades-old studies of card-game players, and that the recommended spacing had been doubled on the basis of research into the spread of the original SARS virus through airplane cabins. And what about the widespread rule that each child in school should be allotted 44 square feet of space? WIRED’s David Zweig traced that back to a consultant who’d found it in an education magazine, which in turn had bungled what was already a faulty calculation by an educational nonprofit. Some pandemic guidelines are even stranger and more mysterious. In an effort to stop people from going out unnecessarily and spreading Covid-19 as winter approached in the southern hemisphere, the South African government prevented the sale of open-toed shoes and shorts (unless they were intended to be worn over leggings), on the grounds that any trip to purchase such articles of clothing would be inessential. In a seemingly backward move, the city of Madrid has closed parks but allows some indoor dining to continue. Meanwhile, Canada’s chief medical officer recommended that people engaged in sexual activity wear masks. https://www.wired.com/story/a-lack-of-transparency-is-undermining-pandemic-policy/ Na pocetku texta NEW YORKERS ARE still puzzling over a new, state-wide rule that bars, restaurants, and gyms must close at 10 pm to stop the spread of Covid. Was this based on some brand-new evidence that the virus mutates like a gremlin, getting worse at night? You wouldn’t know it from Governor Andrew Cuomo’s announcement, which did not cite any research whatsoever that might justify this policy. The announcement did claim, however, that New York uses “more science than any state in the nation.” Mera koja je svakom razumnom - kontraproduktivna, ali bi rado cula nauku iza toga....

Ovde negde sam procitala da ce CDC ici na 7 dana....ne znam da li su, nisam stigla da pogledam. Ili 2 dana bez simptoma ako nakon 7 dana jos uvek imas simptome.

Ili mi i ti objasnjavas sta sam mislila i raspravljas sa onim sto mi podmece Baby, ili nisi razumela koriscenje metafore - mozda mislis da sam rekla da je Svedska otisla da meditira? I ja ne bih nemogucnost okupljanja vise od 8 ljudi nazvala lockdown. Interesuje me, kako objasnjavas zatvaranje biblioteka? Jel se bas svedjani guraju u guzvu u bibliotekama? Ne odlazim ja u krajnost, nego ti, u "tumacenju" sta ja govorim. A ovaj bold nikad nisam rekla ni sugerisala. Opasnost od virusa se sad vec zna, zar ne? Preporucujem takodje da procitas isti text.

Nedavno sam procitala interesantan clanak, izvor ce ti se dopasti, jedan od medija koje volis da citiras. Nema nikakve veze sa temom nego samo da ti pokazem kako nas razgovor izgleda. Ja generalno ne cenim doticni medij ali mislim da je autor potrefio nevidjeno problem konfliktne komunikacije. First, a person says something. Then, another person restates what they purportedly said so as to make it seem as if their view is as offensive, hostile, or absurd. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/putting-monsterpaint-onjordan-peterson/550859/ Mozda ces razumeti zasto necu da se bavim sa izjavama tipa "znaci ti pokusavas da kazes...", "znaci kako sam ja razumela" ili slicnim licnim utiscima. ukljucujuci "ti govoris...." nesto sto ja uopste ne govorim. I onda kao propitujes neke moje izmisljene stavove.

Tako kazu, imali su neki hitni sastanak u CDC da odluce kako krece distribucija, i kazu United valjda krenuo sa prevozom vakcina. Iako sam ja jos malo sumnjicava.

Baby ocigledno ne znas da citas. Pogledaj sve ove boldove i navedi mi gde sam ja dala bilo koju od tih izjava, posto stvarno nema smisla da raspravljam sa izjavama koje si izmislila a ja nikad nisam rekla.

Evo i u San Francisku imaju virus koji napada od 10 uvece do 5 ujutru....u toku dana se inace ne siri izmedju prijatelja i familija, tu napada samo strance. LA naravno sumnja da je virus religiozan i politicki aktivan, jer oni misle da u crkvi i na protestima virusa uopste nema.: San Mateo County officials also announced a new stay-at-home order – prohibiting residents from leaving their homes to gather with other households from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. beginning Monday night. During those hours, no gatherings are allowed among households, with certain exemptions. Under Purple Tier restrictions, businesses and activities that may have been operating indoors in the county – including places of worship, movie theaters, gyms and museums – must move outdoors or close. Shopping malls and all retail must operate at no more than 25 percent capacity. “We have not seen numbers like this in quite a while and we really need to reverse this incredibly troubling trend,” County Manager Mike Collage said in a news release. “What’s important to remember is that we can reverse the trend as long as we follow common-sense health and safety practices.” San Mateo County health officials reported an approximately 85 percent spike in new COVID-19 cases from October to November. The rollback to Purple is due to the county’s new adjusted case rate of 7.6 per 100,000 population. San Francisco health officials had taken to social media on Friday, warning that a move into the Purple Tier was imminent. “Unfortunately, the number of tests (in the city/county) coming back positive in the last 4 weeks has increased 265%,” San Francisco Health Director Dr. Grant Colfax tweeted. “That means just in the last month, our positivity case rate was 0.81% and today is 2.15% and going up.” The last time the San Francisco Health Department updated its public COVID dashboard was on Nov 25. At that time, there were 15,342 active cases in the city. The Mission and Bayview Hunter’s Point neighborhoods have been hit the hardest. The Marina District and Presidio Heights were just a notch below. Pomor 2.15% pozitivnih....koliko je to u SR? i svih 160 umrlih.... Ali ako odete do drugog countija kod prijatelja, tu mozete da posecujete pa da se vratite kuci.

Nesto se sad setih ovog tvog pitanja, eto recimo ja kad sam dobila zelenu kartu, morala sam da kao uslov primim odredjeni spisak vakcina koje USA zahteva. Dok vecinu tih vakcina USA ne zahteva od svojih gradjana. Cisto sumnjam da u ovom slucaju mogu da naprave takvu razliku, ali mislim da ima jedan presedan iz vremena spanske groznice po kome za javno zdravlje mogu da naprave neke izuzetke, samo to ce biti tesko

Vecina koje znam su testirani pozitivno zato sto su imali simptome, uglavnom blage. Bez simptoma znam za samo one koji su testirani u contact tracing, ne da sve znam licno, znaci samo prica. Cerka moje prijateljice koja je u Aprilu negde dobila blage simptome, test pozitivan, testiralu su 6 njenih prijatelja sa kojima se druzila u periodu pre testa (neko od njih joj je dao virus) 5 pozitivnih asimptomatski, 6ti negativan. Od ove moje sire familije kako sam skontala od 8 pozitivnih, 5 su asimptomaticni, ali nisam pitala detalje Kod nas je prva tura oko 100 mill, ne ukljucuje decu uopste. prica se o mogucem zahtevu za putovanje, ali mislim da nema dovoljno vakcina za to. Koliko ja znam kod nas u fazama ces imati pravo da je primis, nista od toga nece biti obaveza. Kazu da zakonski ni poslodavci ne mogu da zahtevaju od radnika da se vakcinisu. Ne znam kako ce biti za one na budzetu.... I tu verovatno nece smeti da zahtevaju kao obavezno zato sto ce automatski imati tuzbe pod raznim religioznim izgovorima i ustavnim. Moja grupacija ako bude u 5tom krugu.....znaci dovoljno zamorcica pre toga