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A nekako ovo dvoje ide jedno uz drugo: "AR-15 style rifles have played a prominent role in many high-profile mass shootings in this country, and have come to be widely characterized as the weapon of choice for these crimes. AR-15s or similar rifles were the primary weapons used in around half of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in modern American history, including the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, the 2015 San Bernardino attack, the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, the 2017 Sutherland Springs church shooting and the 2018 Stoneman Douglas High School shooting. And now, Uvalde and Buffalo." Divan rezultat...

Ali je svakako faktor koji treba uzeti u obzir, uz sve ostale faktore koji uticu na porast kriminala U ovoj konkretnoj problematici upravo je politicka pobeda cilj - ne vidim sta je "najbolji rezultat" ako je AR15 u slobodnoj prodaji? Zaboravih - ako 18-ogodisnjak moze u vojsku/rat, malo je glupo ne dozvoliti mu da sme da kupi i pivo

Hajde ovako da pitam - a sta dobijamo dozvoljavanjem AR 15?

@Angelia iz tvojih postova na forumu nam je poznato da imas sina, sad je na fakultetu, znaci neke rane 20-e Sta bi mu rekla da je s 18 godina dosao kuci s dva AR-15? Da li bi ti to bilo normalno? Pokusavam da shvatim zasto je ovde problem u onom sto pise Baby, Zoran, ja.... - zasto je nekom normalnom coveku problem da se postrozi regulacija kupovine oruzja u US? Koji deo ovog sto pisemo ti se ne dopada: ozbiljniji background check, povecanje starosne granice za odredjeno oruzje, strogo regulisana prodaja odredjene vrste oruzja, federalna baza podataka o vlasnicima oruzja....? Kako ce bilo sta od ovog ugroziti law abiding citizens pri kupovini oruzja?

Nisu naveli, ali obzirom na mali broj ispitanika (subjects) lici na 2. fazu (1. faza ide na zdravim ljudima, 2. faza na malom broju bolesnih (indikacija koja se ispituje), 3. faza je na vecem broju bolesnih, i 4. faza je postmarketing, kad je lek vec odobren i na "trzistu")

Dok se po svetu, uglavnom, cuju ruzne vesti, evo i jedne lepe, obecavajuce: Every Single Patient in This Small Experimental Drug Trial Saw Their Cancer Disappear "In what appears to be a very promising breakthrough for the treatment of rectal cancer, a small drug trial conducted in the US found every patient treated in the experiment had their cancer successfully go into remission. The medication given, called dostarlimab and sold under the brand name Jemperli, is an immunotherapy drug used in the treatment of endometrial cancer, but this was the first clinical investigation of whether it was also effective against rectal cancer tumors. The early results reported so far suggest it is surprisingly effective, with the research team saying the successful cancer remission seen in every trial patient may be unprecedented for a cancer drug intervention. "I believe this is the first time this has happened in the history of cancer," medical oncologist Luis Diaz Jr. from Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center (MSK), the senior author of a new paper reporting the results" "U onome što se čini veoma obećavajućim otkrićem u lečenju karcinoma rektuma, malo ispitivanje leka sprovedeno u SAD pokazalo je da je svaki pacijent lečen u eksperimentu uspešno ušao u remisiju. Lek koji se daje, nazvan dostarlimab i prodaje se pod brendom Jemperli, je lek za imunoterapiju koji se koristi u lečenju raka endometrijuma, ali ovo je bilo prvo kliničko istraživanje o tome da li je efikasan i protiv kancera rektuma. Rani rezultati koji su do sada prijavljeni sugerišu da je iznenađujuće efikasan, a istraživački tim kaže da uspešna remisija kancera koja se vidi kod svakog pacijenta u ispitivanju može biti bez presedana u lecenju kancera. „Verujem da je ovo prvi put da se ovo dogodilo u istoriji kancera“, rekao je medicinski onkolog Luis Diaz mlađi iz Memorijalnog centra za rak Sloun Ketering (MSK), stariji autor novog rada koji izveštava o rezultatima“

Hvala, draga Devojko, nisam bas jako strucna, mogu samo da nagadjam da sledeci faktori uticu na brojke (neki od njih, kombinacija njih ili, pak, svi): - sve veci broj ljudi koji su vec prelezali neke varijante covida - sve veci broj vakcinisanih - omikron je (sta god neki govorili) blaza varijanta i simptomi su (kod nekih) blazi, pa mozda i ne idu kod lekara/na testiranje

Mogucnost da se virus "razvije" u opasniju varijantu uvek postoji i tesko se moze, s velikom sigurnoscu, reci da li ce, kad ce, etc... Ono sto je dobro je da, uz ovakve nikakve mere (globalno) i uz visoko infektivnu varijantu, brojevi su i dalje u opadanju. Juce sam doputivala iz US u NL, na aerodromima (Orlando, Dublin, Amsterdam) maske nosi 10 % ljudi, u avionu mozda nekih 20 %. Jedino u Amsterdamu videh jednog Kineza u "punoj covid opremi"

Rekla sam da sam ja laik.....a ti pojasni ovima da AR nije mocnije oruzje od pistolja: "The AR-15 was given to law enforcement because more and more frequently police officers were encountering these types of weapons on the street and finding that they were outgunned. One example that springs to mind is the famous 1997 North Hollywood, California, shootout at the Bank of America. In that incident, two individuals clad in body armor held up a bank in the Los Angeles neighborhood. Police who responded at the scene literally had to run to a nearby gun store to purchase more powerful weapons, because they were using 9 mm pistols, while the bad guys were armed with semi-automatic rifles." The bullet fired by the AR-15 is capable of defeating the average police officer's body armor, like a knife slicing through butter. SWAT teams and some of the more specialized units typically are equipped with level IV Kevlar or steel-plated armor, which would stop maybe two or three direct hits, but eventually body armor breaks down after being hit with multiple rounds. A person wielding an AR-15 has a range beyond 300 yards. For an officer armed with a 9 mm pistol, hitting a target beyond 50 yards is going to be difficult, even for the most accomplished marksman. A bullet fired by an AR-15 travels at three times the velocity as one fired by a 9 mm handgun. And magazines that can feed dozens of rounds into the weapon in the space of minutes clearly were meant for use only on the battlefield." Btw, ti si u pricu uveo automatsko oruzje - evo citam postove na ovoj strani i pisemo o semi-automatic, poluautomatskom oruzju. Zamoljavam da nadjes gde smo spominjali automatsko oruzje

I Rick Scott (FL guverner od 2011 - 2019) i senator Rubio su republikanci, pa je Florida ipak uspela da poostri zakon o oruzju (s 18 na 21) "Changes included the first significant change to Florida's gun ownership laws in years. After Parkland, with bipartisan support and signed by Republican Gov. Rick Scott. Florida raised the minimum age to own any gun in Florida to 21 years old. The law also imposed a three-day waiting period to purchase a gun." Najmocnija drzava na svetu nema dovoljno fabrika decje hrane/formule (Abott zatvoren zimus zbog bakterije u decjoj formuli), pa im sad salju pomoc iz Evrope 😞 "Nestlé flies baby formula supplies to US from Netherlands, Switzerland to combat shortage" Kao Afrika! 😞

Vecina mass shootings su pocinjena ovim: "Several characteristics of the AR-15 make it dangerous in the wrong hands. It is a semi-automatic firearm, meaning it can be fired repeatedly — once for each pull of the trigger. And it can be reloaded in seconds by removing its cartridge magazine and replacing it with a loaded one." Nisam poznavalac oruzja (kad je tata umro, vratili njegov pistolj u policiju), ali po onom sto citam (i broju zrtava u ovim mass shootings) ocito je relativno "mocno" oruzje

Pa definisali su oni neke stvrari vrlo jasno - pitanje je zasto ne mogu da promene neke stvari sad? Does a customer have to be a certain age to buy firearms or ammunition from a licensee? Yes. Under the Gun Control Act (GCA), shotguns and rifles, and ammunition for shotguns or rifles may be sold only to individuals 18 years of age or older. All firearms other than shotguns and rifles, and all ammunition other than ammunition for shotguns or rifles may be sold only to individuals 21 years of age or older. Licensees are bound by the minimum age requirements established by the GCA regardless of state or local law. However, if state law or local ordinances establish a higher minimum age for the purchase or disposition of firearms, the licensee must observe the higher age requirement." Isto kao sto je neko resio da doda "rifles" u ovaj akt, moze se isti i izbaciti iz akta; pa, eto, bar od neceg da krenemo. Sto se tice ovih zabrinutih za samoodbranu vlasnika - ja imam par prijatelja u US koji u tu svrhu imaju oruzje - niko nema AR.

Opinion: This is what happened when 3 nations that experienced mass shootings did something about it Niko nece dirati 2.amandman, u kom svakako NE pise da "bear arms" podrazumeva da je "arms" poluatomatsko oruzje (malo ko se s njim brani od pljacke); evo, ja hocu da branim kucu od lopova bazukom - hoce li mi je dati? Ako ne - zasto ne? Pa i to je arms! U 2. amandmanu nije pobrojano na koja se oruzja misli - neko bi mogao da trazi i top - imao bi isto pravo kao i onaj sto hoce pistolj ili AR

Ne plasim se ni ja - da se plasim, ne bih nikud mrdala. Napisala sam da sam pomislila, dok sam se setala, sta bi bilo da se desi nesto kao u, recimo, Buffalo....takve misli mi, recimo, nikad nisu pale na pamet u Evropi. Isto tako napisah - bahatom komsiji u NL bez problema mogu/smem da kazem sta mi smeta; tako nesto mi (sad) ne pada na pamet u US, jer je velika verovatnoca da bahati komsija ima neko oruzje i nikad ne znas s kim imas posla. Isto i kad vozis - evo vam statistika, a vi nadjite za EU: "Angry Drivers, Lots of Guns: An Explosion in Road Rage Shootings “In the past, people curse one another, throw up the finger and keep moving,” Mayor Sylvester Turner of Houston said in an interview. “Now instead of throwing up the finger, they’re pulling out the gun and shooting.” As more motorists seemed to be firing guns last year, the Dallas Police Department began tracking road rage shootings for the first time. The results were alarming: 45 people wounded, 11 killed." For its report on an increase in road rage shootings, the gun control group Everytown for Gun Safety relied on the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit that compiles data from government sources and media reports. The group found that more than 500 people had been injured or killed in reported road rage shootings last year, up from fewer than 300 in 2019. “The story that it’s telling is a definite and really worrying increase in incidents of road rage involving a gun,” said Sarah Burd-Sharps, the senior director of research at Everytown for Gun Safety. “Only in this country is someone shot and injured or killed every 17 hours in a road rage incident.”

Juce neka kisurina ovde, pa otisli do International Mall (Tampa), puno ljudi, setam i pomislim da sad neko randomly zapuca, sta covek moze da uradi, sve i da ima pistolj kod sebe? Mozes samo da se ponadas da jos nije dosao "tvoj dan" i da ce bas tebe promasiti... Inace, procitah negde da je u 2021. bilo skoro 700 mass shootings - neko ce reci:"Pa i nije puno na 300 + miliona stanovnika"

I dok neki mirno spavaju: 3 dead, 11 wounded in downtown Philadelphia shooting Sinoc...

"Louis bought an AR-style semi-automatic rifle just hours before the shooting, Franklin said. He bought a 40-caliber pistol from a pawn shop on May 29, police said. Both appeared to be legally purchased, police said." U par dana se naoruzao, nikom nije sumnjivo da mu odjednom treba i AR i pistolj....napala ga drzava, pa da se odbrani? Juce, u dve razlicite US drzave: "Over the span of a few hours Thursday, two women were shot and killed outside a church in Ames, Iowa, just hours after police said two people were shot at a cemetery south of Milwaukee, Wis." The Oklahoma shootings were the 233rd mass shooting in the U.S. this year. Procitajte dobro ovu cifru - 233 mass shooting samo ove godine, za 5 meseci....znaci, 1.5 mass shoting na dan! Gadna ta drzavna tiranija..... Trenutno sam na Floridi - imamo komsiju koji radi nesto sto ne bi trebalo; da sam u NL ili Nemackoj, lepo bih mu rekla sta nama komsijama smeta...ovako, ne znam kolika je budala, ima li pistolj, i kako moze reagovati.

A onoliki naslov teme! 😄

What We Know about Mass School Shootings—and Shooters—in the U.S. Criminologists explain what the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Tex., and other deadly assaults have in common The choice of “gunmen” to describe the perpetrators is accurate – all of the mass school shootings in our database were carried out by men or boys. And the average age of those involved in carrying out the attacks was 18. Šta znamo o masovnoj pucnjavi u školama — i o pucnjavima — u SAD Kriminolozi objašnjavaju šta je zajedničko pucnjavi u osnovnoj školi Rob u Uvaldeu, Teksas, i drugim smrtonosnim napadima Izbor „naoružani muskarci“ za opisivanje počinilaca je tačan – sve masovne pucnjave u školi u našoj bazi podataka izveli su muškarci ili dečaci. A prosečna starost onih koji su učestvovali u izvođenju napada bila je 18 godina.

Vidi, nije nemoguce nesto uraditi - Florida je nakon Parkland shootinga, poostrila zakon - na Floridi ne mozes da kupis oruzje ako si mladji od 21. How Florida gun laws changed after the Parkland school shooting: - First, there’s gun control. Gun sales for most Floridians under 21 are illegal. - The shooting also prompted red flag laws. Law enforcement agencies can file ‘Risk Protection Orders’ against people who might be a threat and take away their guns. There are nearly 3,000 active Risk Protection Orders (RPO) in Florida right now. "Kako su se zakoni o oružju na Floridi promenili nakon pucnjave u školi u Parklandu: - Prvo, postoji kontrola oružja. Prodaja oružja za većinu Floriđana mlađih od 21 godine je nezakonita. – Pucnjava je takođe izazvala zakone o "crvenoj zastavi". Organi za sprovođenje zakona mogu da podnesu „naloge za zaštitu od rizika“ protiv ljudi koji bi mogli da predstavljaju pretnju i da im oduzmu oružje. Trenutno postoji skoro 3.000 aktivnih naloga za zaštitu od rizika (RPO) na Floridi.

"The gunman had purchased a total of 1,657 rounds of ammunition" 😲 18-ogodisnjak kupio 1657 metaka (or whatever) i to nigde nije izazvalo neki red flag?! Dok sam radila u US apoteci, pa mi dodje neki Xanax zavisnik, s receptom, treba mu/joj 30 tableta, ja ukucam ime/recept, iskace "flag" da je ta osoba pre 5 dana vec podigla 30 tableta. Nemoguce uraditi nesto slicno s oruzjem?! Pa kad vide da je neko kupio 2000 metaka, pitati ga je l' ide da sam oslobodi Ukrajinu, Afganistan, Siriju...

Ok, imamo, dakle, jedan slucaj za ovih 200 + godina.... I dalje ne mislim da 18-godisnii Salvador Ramos treba da moze da kupi dva AR15

Drzavna tiranija to sto je drzava pokusala da uhapsi kriminalca? "Ruby Ridge was the site of an eleven-day siege in 1992 in Boundary County, Idaho, near Naples. It began on August 21, when deputies of the United States Marshals Service (USMS) initiated action to apprehend and arrest Randy Weaver under a bench warrant after his failure to appear on firearms charges"

Alooo, je l' normalno da jednom 18-ogodisnjaku trebaju dva AR15? Ne pricam o postenim gradjanima koji ce kupiti jedan pistolj da imaju u kuci da se zastite od mogucih provalnika. Koliko je mass shootings bilo sa ilgalno kupljenim oruzjem, a koliko sa legalno nabavljenim oruzjem? Ovaj Salvador tesko da bi imao para da ilegalno kupi dva AR15, da mu drzava nije omogucila da ih kupi legalno.