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Zdravlje i medicina - pitanja o svemu i svačemu
Sunshine State replied to Eddard's topic in Nauka i Obrazovanje
Da si isao u drzavnu, ne bi ti ni pritisak izmerili! Salu na stranu, ako finansijski mozes, ne znam sto bi ti bio problem da proveris to sto traze. Inace, zasto proveravaju insulinsku rezistenciju? -
Ma ok je ono sto si naveo da radis u "mirnodopskim" uslovima, to je manje-vise neki standard civilizovanog sveta (ne volim u obuci da ulazim u bilo ciju kucu, bas iz razloga sto ne znam u sta sam sve mogla usput ugaziti) Mene fascinira kako se ti i najmanjeg detalja, kao potencijalnog izvora zaraze/infekcije, setis! Ne mogu da perem sve sto unesem u kucu odmah - presvucem se, ali ne perem odmah sve svaki put - proluftira se i ok... pa ne zive virusi i bakterije na odelu/stvarima dugo, njima treba ziv covek/zivotinja/biljka Nemoj pogresno da nas shvatis, ne kritikujemo mi tebe sto ti to radis, bar ja ne, iako smatram da je malo preterano, ali ako vas ne mrzi da sve to radite - go for it!
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Moralo se reagovati - seti se Bergama. Kako vreme odmice, s pojavom vakcina i sa omikronom (za sad), mozemo malo da odahnemo i razmsiljamo o popustanju (vecine) mera (Danska, Norveska, UK ...) Znam da ces me ubiti, ali ja najmanje marim da maske ostanu jos koju godinu 😄 Evo se spremam za US sledeci petak i ceka me 20-ak sati konstantnog nosenja maske, i mogu ti reci da mi ich ne smeta, pa mi malo cudno zasto je ljudima tesko da je nose 15, 30, 60 minuta negde?
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Ja se divim Akiru na doslednosti i disciplini, ali to je prosto nemoguce u vecini slucajeva. S jedne strane, nemam vremena za tako nesto, a s druge ne vidim ni potrebu za tolikom sterilizacijom, dezinfekcijom, etc..... da je potrebno, pa svi bismo imali autoklave u kuci, sterilizatore raznih vrsta, ozonizatore, etc.... Postoje ljudi ciji imuni sistem zahteva sto sterilnije uslove ili sto manju izlozenost alergenima, ali jedna prosecno zdrava osoba je "stvorena" da zivi sa "normalnim" patogenima koje je okruzuju (ne pricam sad o covidu)
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Ma eno pomor u Americi zbog us*anih cipela, ne docekaju ljudi ni 80 godina, umru s 79 zbog tog Na stranu psi i cipele, shvatate li da su sterlini prostori potrebni samo u odredjenim uslovima (cak ni u bolnicama nisu obezbedjeni sterilni uslovi u svim prostori(ja)ma? Za normalan zivot, moramo biti izlozeni normalnim virusima, bakterijama, i ostalim patogenima kojima smo okruzeni
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Da pojasnim nesto - svaki odobren lek ima i svoj safety panel i zna se da li je, i u kojoj dozi, siguran za upotrebu. Recimo, mozemo reci da je ibuprofen siguran lek, ali se to mora igraniciti na max dnevnu dozu - sve preko 2400 mg/dan nije safe Ivermectin jeste safe u dozama u kojima sad koristi za ljudsku upotrebu (za odobrene indikacije) - pitanje je da li je u tim odobrenim dozama on efikasan za covid - mozda ima neki mehanizam akcije koji je efikasan za covid, ali ako su potrebne mnogo vece doze od onih koje su safe, dzabe nam. Deugim recima, samo zato sto je ibuprofen safe (u dozi od 2400 mg/dan) ne mozemo uzeti 4800 mg/dan, da bi nam "jos bolje pomogao" za neke jace bolove
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Ivermectin as Potential COVID-19 Treatment Gets Studied at Duke University "Doctors at Duke University are leading a national study to test whether three drugs could effectively treat COVID-19 — including ivermectin — according to The News & Observer. The study, which began last summer, is attempting to provide a comprehensive assessment of the controversial treatment. Ivermectin has been celebrated by some as a potential COVID-19 treatment and ridiculed by others who say there’s no proof that the drug works against the coronavirus, and in fact, could be harmful to patients. “We should understand if there are any benefits,” he told the newspaper. “And if not, we should be able to report that back out to the public clearly and note what shouldn’t be done.” The Duke study is testing three drugs under ACTIV-6, which is one of a series of studies of potential COVID-19 treatments and vaccines launched by the National Institutes of Health. The goal is to find treatments and vaccines that could make COVID-19 as manageable as the seasonal flu. The two other drugs in the study are fluvoxamine, a medicine often prescribed for depression and obsessive-compulsive disorder, and fluticasone furoate, a steroid medication prescribed through an inhaler for asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). All three drugs are approved for use in humans, are proven to be safe, and are easy to use at home, the newspaper reported. They also rarely interact with other medications, which could make them good options to treat mild to moderate cases of COVID-19. “Just like we’re trying to do testing at home, we’re looking at how can you conveniently do treatment at home,” Hernandez said. ACTIV-6 is evaluating repurposed medications for effective, safe treatments for mild-to-moderate COVID-19. Repurposed medications are already approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for other indications. The study is now testing these medications: Fluvoxamine (Open):a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI), often prescribed for depression. Fluticasone (Open):inhaled steroid commonly prescribed for asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease Ivermectin (Open):used to treat parasitic infections https://activ6study.org/
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Zato se i insistira na nosenju maski u narednih 5 dana. Mirovanje se preporucuje, naravno, ali virus se ne "spusta na pluca" zbog (ne)mirovanja, vec zbog neadekvatnog imunog odgovora - ako mirujes do 6-7 dana, ne znaci da ce se virus spustiti na pluca ako setas 8. dan - on se vec "spustio" zbog neadekvatnog imunog odgovora Pa niko nikog ne moze poterati na posao, ako se osoba ne oseca dobro. Ovo je vise uvedeno zbog onih koji se osecaju ok. Sta s onima koji su testirani pozitivno (iz ovog ili onog razloga), a nemaju simptome, ili imaju vrlo blage - treba da sede 10 dana kuci?
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Ne spusta se virus tako na pluca, neodlezavanjem, pogotovo ne omikron. Onaj ko do 7. dana nije dobio upalu, nece je, najverovatnije, ni dobiti - nisu drzave tako odokativno resile sad da smanje izolaciju, uzele su u obzir nove cinjenice. U US je 5 dana: People with COVID-19 should isolate for 5 days and if they are asymptomatic or their symptoms are resolving (without fever for 24 hours), follow that by 5 days of wearing a mask when around others to minimize the risk of infecting people they encounter. Edit: pa sa omikronom je drugacije - u NL imas nedeljno pola miliona zarazenih - zamisli da ih drzis 10 dana u izolaciji, ko ce da radi? Inace, one koji imaju jos uvek simptome, ne teraju nazad na posao