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21 minutes ago, Jonnhy Clash said:

Ako ima represije od strane vlasti to je za osudu. Ipak, treba to dokumentovati ozbiljnijim izvorima od wikipedie. 

 

Evo šta kaže jedan zapadni medij (meni ni malo simpatičan) o razvoju Kine. 

 

 

Izvod sa Amnesty International:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/09/china-up-to-one-million-detained/

" … 

The fate of estimated up to one million people is unknown and most of the detainees’ families have been kept in the dark.

China has intensified its campaign of mass internment, intrusive surveillance, political indoctrination and forced cultural assimilation against the region’s Uighurs, Kazakhs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic groups.

Amnesty International has interviewed more than 100 people outside of China whose relatives in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (XUAR) are still missing, as well as individuals who said they were tortured while in detention camps there..."

Ispovest jednog zatocenika logora :

" Inside a Detention Camp

The authorities label the camps as centres for “transformation-through-education” but most people refer to them simply as “re-education camps”. Those sent to such camps are not put on trial, have no access to lawyers or right to challenge the decision. Individuals could be left to languish in detention for months, as it is the authorities who decide when an individual has been “transformed”. 

Kairat Samarkan was sent to a detention camp in October 2017, after he returned to the XUAR following a short visit to neighbouring Kazakhstan.

Kairat told Amnesty that he was hooded, made to wear shackles on his arms and legs and was forced to stand in a fixed position for 12 hours when first detained. There were nearly 6,000 people held in the same camp, where they were forced to sing political songs and study speeches of the Chinese Communist Party. They could not talk to each other and were forced to chant “Long live Xi Jinping” before meals. Kairat told Amnesty that his treatment drove him to attempt suicide just before his release..."

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4 minutes ago, Darth Bane said:

Izvod sa Amnesty International:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/09/china-up-to-one-million-detained/

" … 

The fate of estimated up to one million people is unknown and most of the detainees’ families have been kept in the dark.

China has intensified its campaign of mass internment, intrusive surveillance, political indoctrination and forced cultural assimilation against the region’s Uighurs, Kazakhs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic groups.

Amnesty International has interviewed more than 100 people outside of China whose relatives in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (XUAR) are still missing, as well as individuals who said they were tortured while in detention camps there..."

Ispovest jednog zatocenika logora :

" Inside a Detention Camp

The authorities label the camps as centres for “transformation-through-education” but most people refer to them simply as “re-education camps”. Those sent to such camps are not put on trial, have no access to lawyers or right to challenge the decision. Individuals could be left to languish in detention for months, as it is the authorities who decide when an individual has been “transformed”. 

Kairat Samarkan was sent to a detention camp in October 2017, after he returned to the XUAR following a short visit to neighbouring Kazakhstan.

Kairat told Amnesty that he was hooded, made to wear shackles on his arms and legs and was forced to stand in a fixed position for 12 hours when first detained. There were nearly 6,000 people held in the same camp, where they were forced to sing political songs and study speeches of the Chinese Communist Party. They could not talk to each other and were forced to chant “Long live Xi Jinping” before meals. Kairat told Amnesty that his treatment drove him to attempt suicide just before his release..."

Amnesty international je osporavan i kritikovan u dosta zemalja kao neverodostojan i kao organizacija koja zastupa prozapadne stavove.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amnesty_International

 

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Neko je pomenuo da u Kini nije bilo inovacija u skorije vreme. Da nista nisu izmislili. Ova lista ih demantuje.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

 

Izmedju ostalog, izmislili su tehniku da celije iz urina pretvaraju u mozdane celije. Ovim sam sokiran i molim nekoga ko se u to razume da to objasni, na kraju liste to pise. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/25407-brain-cells-made-from-pee.html

 

PS. Ljudi ja odoh da radim. Klijenti me već opominju da sam neozbiljan što ne odgovaram da mailove. Tema je zanimljiva ali mora se nešto i zaraditi.

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To = istok

Kyo = grad

 

Tokugawa Iijeyasu je preselio prestonicu iz Kyoto u Tokyo, da bude tamo gde je vojnička baza iz mnogobrojnog stanovništva.

 

Uživaj u Tokyo, veličanstven grad. Živeo sam tamo 3 godine (uz Yoyogi park) a od 2006. idem jednu nedelju mesečno. U tom gradu od 35 miliona stanovnika možeš da uživaš i u simfonijama svaki dan u godini na različitim mestima.

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49 minutes ago, Yoyogi said:

To = istok

Kyo = grad

 

Tokugawa Iijeyasu je preselio prestonicu iz Kyoto u Tokyo, da bude tamo gde je vojnička baza iz mnogobrojnog stanovništva.

 

Uživaj u Tokyo, veličanstven grad. Živeo sam tamo 3 godine (uz Yoyogi park) a od 2006. idem jednu nedelju mesečno. U tom gradu od 35 miliona stanovnika možeš da uživaš i u simfonijama svaki dan u godini na različitim mestima.

Mahnuću ti kroz prozor Šinkansena kad budem išao u Osaku.

 

Kyoto je moj dan off za vikend. Tamo nisam nikad bio. U Tokio i Osaku idem redovno... znam da vezanih očiju odem iz hotela u restoran Istanbul u Ginzi na domaću kuhinju... a on je preko puta Tex Mex restorana koji je takodje domaća kuhinja 😂

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25 minutes ago, ObiW said:

Mahnuću ti kroz prozor Šinkansena kad budem išao u Osaku.

 

Kyoto je moj dan off za vikend. Tamo nisam nikad bio. U Tokio i Osaku idem redovno... znam da vezanih očiju odem iz hotela u restoran Istanbul u Ginzi na domaću kuhinju... a on je preko puta Tex Mex restorana koji je takodje domaća kuhinja 😂

 

Shinkansen - that is the way to travel. Uživaj u japanskoj perfekciji kao što ja njoj uživam svaki dan.

 

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1 minute ago, ObiW said:

Pa ako su perfektni, što oni mene zovu da dodjem kod njih da im držim seminar, a ne obrnuto?

 

Divna država za videti, ovo je druga planeta i volim kada me pozovu, ali ne bih ovde živeo.

 

U toj perfektnosti ja i moja porodica živimo  i prosperiramo. Oni su me direktno zaposlili, ja sam kao Japanac po firminim poslovnim knjigama samo različito ime.

 

Tvoj seminar, šta je da je, neće dovesti ni do čega. Ništa od toga nema, oni nas, i tebe gledaju kao što Amerikanci gledaju na Meksikance. Sad će oni da im drže neke seminare.

 

Nadam se da si došao u biz class, da malo i ti vidiš puta.

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Aj malo o Kini: bio sam dva puta. Vidi se da se opako razvijaju, i prihvataju svoje inžinjere koji su se školovali i radili godinama u Americi pa se vratili. Od onih koji su sve vreme proveli u Kini, ako govore engleski, govore bolje od kolega Japanaca. Kreativniji su nego Japanci, takva im kultura. Medjutim, da me neko pita da bitam gde ću na službeni put, uvek bih pre izabrao Japan. Kulturniji, organizovaniji, ljubazniji.

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9 hours ago, Yoyogi said:

 

U toj perfektnosti ja i moja porodica živimo  i prosperiramo. Oni su me direktno zaposlili, ja sam kao Japanac po firminim poslovnim knjigama samo različito ime.

 

Tvoj seminar, šta je da je, neće dovesti ni do čega. Ništa od toga nema, oni nas, i tebe gledaju kao što Amerikanci gledaju na Meksikance. Sad će oni da im drže neke seminare.

 

Nadam se da si došao u biz class, da malo i ti vidiš puta.

Drž se tog tvog L3 on call customer supporta od kuće i ne pametuj o nečemu što ti nije struka. Japanci još uvek koriste Excel spreadsheet i merenja na terenu da projektuju mobilne mreže, jer tradicija. Čak je i Bliski Istok ukapirao da to tako više ne može, a oni jok. 

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37 minutes ago, ObiW said:

Drž se tog tvog L3 on call customer supporta od kuće i ne pametuj o nečemu što ti nije struka. Japanci još uvek koriste Excel spreadsheet i merenja na terenu da projektuju mobilne mreže, jer tradicija. Čak je i Bliski Istok ukapirao da to tako više ne može, a oni jok. 

On voli tako da spusta svakog na forumu.  A Japanci su po njemu neka rasa nadnaravna?! 

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54 minutes ago, ObiW said:

Drž se tog tvog L3 on call customer supporta od kuće i ne pametuj o nečemu što ti nije struka. Japanci još uvek koriste Excel spreadsheet i merenja na terenu da projektuju mobilne mreže, jer tradicija. Čak je i Bliski Istok ukapirao da to tako više ne može, a oni jok. 

 

Auuuuuuu ....... ugasio si, ovo ti nece zaboraviti 😂 ............... ocekuje se da japanska imperija uzvrati udarac.

 

On taman krenuo sa nekim pan-azijatskim nastupom, "una faccia, una razza", a ti si mu poyebo koncepciju totalno, srusio kockice. Sto bi rekli "uneo si razdor" :roflmao:

 

@Yoyogi ..... reaguj ......

 

 

 

 

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Kakav L3 support, ja sam senior manager od početka.

 

Kakvo projektovanje mreža, 5G? Docomo mobilna telefonija je 45 milijardi dolara biznis, kao celi nacionalni dohodak Srbije. Ili više nego što je Nokia imala u svojim najboljim danima u 160 zemalja sveta svezajedno.

Ne znam šta bi neki stranac njima mogao da projektuje.

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Yoyogi said:

Kakav L3 support, ja sam senior manager od početka.

 

Kakvo projektovanje mreža, 5G? Docomo mobilna telefonija je 45 milijardi dolara biznis, kao celi nacionalni dohodak Srbije. Ili više nego što je Nokia imala u svojim najboljim danima u 160 zemalja sveta svezajedno.

Ne znam šta bi neki stranac njima mogao da projektuje.

 

 

Alo, koga je briga sta ti radis u Dzapen?!!?

Alo, moderacija? 

Uporno dokazujes kako si veoma uspesan covek u Japanu. 

Ona se ljutis kad neko nesto potegne iz tvog privatnog zivota - nesto o cemu si ti vec nasiroko pisao. 

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http://falunau.org/2019/11/india-dafoh-awarded-mother-teresa-memorial-award-for-exposing-crimes-of-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china/

 

" Dr. Torsten Trey, Executive Director of the NGO Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting (DAFOH), received the prestigious 2019 Mother Teresa Memorial Award for Social Justice at an event hosted by the Harmony Foundation at Taj Land’s End, Mumbai, on November 3, 2019.

The program was well attended by other prominent award winners, Consuls General, CEOs, and celebrities.

The award recognised over a decade of work to create awareness of the Chinese regime’s forced organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners and other prisoners of conscience.

….

Speaking about the origin of DAFOH, Dr. Trey said, “Back in 2006 I heard for the first time that Falun Gong practitioners in China were killed for the purpose of harvesting their organs and that those organs were used for profitable transplants. I was shocked and, as a physician, felt the need to do something. But I also felt overwhelmed: What can one person do? How can one doctor’s voice stop this abusive practice? This is how I came to realize that I would need to found an organization to amplify my voice. This led to the foundation of DAFOH. Over the past 13 years, many doctors have joined and extended their support. The growth of DAFOH shows that the voice of a single person matters and can change the world....”

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12 hours ago, Yoyogi said:

Kakav L3 support, ja sam senior manager od početka.

 

Kakvo projektovanje mreža, 5G? Docomo mobilna telefonija je 45 milijardi dolara biznis, kao celi nacionalni dohodak Srbije. Ili više nego što je Nokia imala u svojim najboljim danima u 160 zemalja sveta svezajedno.

Ne znam šta bi neki stranac njima mogao da projektuje.

 

 

Jeste, senior manager koji radi od kuce za Japance. Ti si glorified senior Sanjay iz Bombaja koji sedi kući na call suportu. Daj Bože da ti je plata 250 hiljada rupija godišnje a ne 250 hiljada dolara.

 

Kad smo već kod NTT Docomo, išli smo u prosle godine u NTT research lab, to je Bogu iza nogu van Tokija, sat i kusur metroom, pa onda lokalni gradski bus. Ulaze Japanci na sastanak, kad ono medju njima jedan Indijac. Ko je ovaj? Kazu “ovo nam je menadzer”. Priča tečno japanski, doktorirao ovde, objavljuje radove, postrojava japansku boraniju. Ako, i treba im ambiciozan stranac da ih malo prodrma.

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Jeste, senior manager koji radi od kuce za Japance. Ti si glorified senior Sanjay iz Bombaja koji sedi kući na call suportu. Daj Bože da ti je plata 250 hiljada rupija godišnje a ne 250 hiljada dolara.

 

Kad smo već kod NTT Docomo, išli smo u prosle godine u NTT research lab, to je Bogu iza nogu van Tokija, sat i kusur metroom, pa onda lokalni gradski bus. Ulaze Japanci na sastanak, kad ono medju njima jedan Indijac. Ko je ovaj? Kazu “ovo nam je menadzer”. Priča tečno japanski, doktorirao ovde, objavljuje radove, postrojava japansku boraniju. Ako, i treba im ambiciozan stranac da ih malo prodrma.

Čekaj ObiW. Yoyogi je od starta imao korektnu komunikaciju sa tobom. Čemu to potcenjivanje?

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5 hours ago, ObiW said:

Jeste, senior manager koji radi od kuce za Japance. Ti si glorified senior Sanjay iz Bombaja koji sedi kući na call suportu. Daj Bože da ti je plata 250 hiljada rupija godišnje a ne 250 hiljada dolara.

 

Kad smo već kod NTT Docomo, išli smo u prosle godine u NTT research lab, to je Bogu iza nogu van Tokija, sat i kusur metroom, pa onda lokalni gradski bus. Ulaze Japanci na sastanak, kad ono medju njima jedan Indijac. Ko je ovaj? Kazu “ovo nam je menadzer”. Priča tečno japanski, doktorirao ovde, objavljuje radove, postrojava japansku boraniju. Ako, i treba im ambiciozan stranac da ih malo prodrma.

I ko bi drugi nego - Hindus! Bravo! I treba neko da postrojava tu japansku buraniju! 

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18 minutes ago, Darth Bane said:

I ko bi drugi nego - Hindus! Bravo! I treba neko da postrojava tu japansku buraniju! 

Ma idi Bane. Da nije Hindusa bilo Japanci bi jos živeli u feudalnom društvu sa carem na čelu i samurajima.

Da ne znam da si do sada uglavnom pisao ozbiljne postove pomislio bih da troluješ. 

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