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[Beonegro]

11 minutes ago, suptil said:

Meni se cini da ce Izrael da okupira juzni deo Pojasa Gaze. Ovolika bombardovanja i rusenja zgrada ide u prilog tezi lakseg kretanja tehnike i nemogucnosti gerile da se bori za svaku ulicu ili zgradu.  Menja se pejzaz Pojasa Gaze, sta ce sve to izazvati videcemo.

Sjeverni dio sada prazne, mislim da si to htio da kažeš.

Što se tiče rušenja zgrada da bi se favorizovao napadač nisam baš siguran, od Staljingrada naovamo se smatra da je teže napredovati kroz ruševine, dok iste pružaju onima koji se brane bar podjednako mnogo mjesta za zaklon koliko i nesrušene zgrade.

[erwin]

Video od 1.2.2022.

[suptil]

1 minute ago, Beonegro said:

Sjeverni dio sada prazne, mislim da si to htio da kažeš.

Što se tiče rušenja zgrada da bi se favorizovao napadač nisam baš siguran, od Staljingrada naovamo se smatra da je teže napredovati kroz ruševine, dok iste pružaju onima koji se brane bar podjednako mnogo mjesta za zaklon koliko i nesrušene zgrade.

Da na sever sam mislio. Ispravio sam u postu iznad...   Prednost Hamasu jesu podzemni tuneli. Pitanje je sta od oruzja ima Hamas. Cime ce se braniti.

[erwin]

Ursula fon der Lajen u Izraelu. Dosta loš tajming s obzirom na 24-satni ultimatum o raseljavanju više od miliona Palestinaca.

 

 

 

Britanski nedeljnik vrlo blizak vladajućim konzervativcima (u jednom trenutku uređivao ga je Boris Džonson) poziva na etničko čišćenje:

 

 

 

[Beonegro]

2 minutes ago, suptil said:

Da na sever sam mislio. Ispravio sam u postu iznad...   Prednost Hamasu jesu podzemni tuneli. Pitanje je sta od oruzja ima Hamas. Cime ce se braniti.

Ako znaju da prave rakete znaju da prave i improvizovane bombe (IED), pretpostavljam da će im to biti glavno oružje. Ostalo hit and run prepadi i zatim preoblačenje u, što neko reče, uzorne sportiste i studente.

[erwin]

 

 

Video namerno ne linkujem, iako je relevantan samo zvuk pošto se slika zamuti:
twitter.com/CensoredMen/status/1712851649536938486

[suptil]

Zanimljiv niz ...

[erwin]

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Meanwhile, the [UK] Prime Minister [Rishi Sunak] spoke to the Egyptian President, Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, today to understand the wider regional picture and underscore the importance of supporting civilians to leave Gaza.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-deploys-uk-military-to-eastern-mediterranean-to-support-israel

[erwin]

Od ponoći više uopšte neće biti interneta u Gazi, najavio izraelski ministar komunikacija. Protok je već značajno smanjen vazdušnim udarima na infrastrukturu.

 

 

 

[erwin]

Ono što ja mislim na osnovu svega viđenog (između ostalog i ignorisanja upozorenja Egipćana i sopstvenih službi) je da je plan, koji doduše možda neće uspeti, verovatno da se anektira Gaza, ali bez Palestinaca ili s njihovim minimalnim brojem.

[erwin]

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Hamas Attack on Israel Brings New Scrutiny of Group’s Ties to Iran
Officials from Iran and Hezbollah helped plan the attack, people familiar with the operation said, but the U.S. and its allies have not found evidence directly linking Tehran.

Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, held an hourslong online meeting in March with an elite group of strategists from all the Iran-backed militias and told them to get ready for a war with Israel with a scope and reach — including a ground invasion — that would mark a new era, according to two participants from Iran and Syria. The participants spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the meeting.

There are conflicting accounts of whether these activities were leading specifically toward last week’s attack by Hamas, which left 1,200 Israelis dead and shattered the country’s sense of security.

Some people familiar with the operation said that a tight circle of leaders from Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas helped plan the attack starting over a year ago, trained militants and had advanced knowledge of it. That account is based on interviews with three Iranians affiliated with the Revolutionary Guards, one Iranian connected to senior leadership and a Syrian affiliated with Hezbollah.

Last weekend’s attack on Israel by Hamas has brought renewed scrutiny of the armed Palestinian group’s longstanding relationship with Iran, and questions about whether the Gaza-based group could have pulled off such a sophisticated and devastating operation on its own.

Iran has a long history of training and arming proxy militia groups in the region, from Gaza to Lebanon, Iraq and Syria. It supports Hamas militarily and has helped it design and produce a domestic missile and rocket system to match the capabilities and material available in Gaza — an impoverished, densely populated coastal strip that has been blockaded by Israel and Egypt for the past 16 years.

And over the past year, there have been signs that Iran and its proxies were preparing to take a more aggressive approach toward Israel.

Gen. Esmail Ghaani, who is in charge of supervising Iran’s network of proxy militias as head of the country’s paramilitary Quds Force, repeatedly traveled to Lebanon for covert sessions with leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah, a Shiite Lebanese militia that Iran also supports.

Over the past year, Mr. Ghaani worked to coordinate and unify all of Iran’s proxies, according to public statements from Iranian analysts and five Iranians familiar with the work of the country’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps.Other people say they believe Iran had some involvement but it was not as deep. “The implementation was all Hamas, but we do not deny Iran’s help and support,” said Ali Barakeh, a senior Hamas official based in Beirut.

Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has publicly denied the country played a role, even as he and other Iranian leaders praised the carnage. “We kiss the foreheads and arms of the resourceful and intelligent designers,” Mr. Khamenei said this week in his first televised speech since the attack. But he added: “Those who say that the recent saga is the work of non-Palestinians have miscalculated.”

The United States, Israel and key regional allies have said they have not found evidence in early intelligence gathering that Iran directly helped plan the attack. The United States has collected multiple pieces of intelligence that show that key Iranian leaders were surprised by it, according to several American officials, including people who would typically be aware of operations involving the Quds Forces.

Israel has also been examining what it knew. “Israeli intelligence does not have any information according to which Iran initiated or was involved or directly assisted in the terrible attack,” said Nir Dinar, a spokesman for Israel’s military. “On the other hand, one has to be naïve to think that those in Tehran woke up on Saturday morning and were surprised to hear the news about what happened.”

It may take months or years to learn all that went into planning the attack, and why Israel’s sophisticated intelligence operation missed it. Many parties have incentives to spread disinformation or emphasize different aspects of the narrative; some may want to expand the war as others seek to limit it.

“We obviously don’t know what happened behind the scenes. This is going to be privileged, secret information that was meant to be kept secret,” said Afshon Ostovar, an expert on Iran’s military and proxies and an associate professor at Naval Postgraduate School. He added that it was safe to assume “some level of coordination,” because Iran and Lebanon would not have wanted to be caught off guard by the attack.

Hamas gunmen captured and interrogated by Israel said they had been training for the latest operation for a year, according to Israeli defense officials. Abu Ubaida, the Hamas spokesman in the Gaza Strip, said in a televised speech that the group had organized a 3,000-person battalion for the attack and had another 1,500 backup fighters. On Tuesday, Israel said it had killed close to 1,600 of those attackers.

Mr. Barakeh, the Hamas official in Beirut, said in an interview that the attack plans were so tightly held that he only found out about the assault when he received a slew of text messages early on Saturday morning.

Still, training had been taking place in Lebanon and Syria, and a secret joint command center had been set up in Beirut, according to the Iranians and the Syrian familiar with the operation.

Hezbollah’s top commandos, experienced in urban guerrilla warfare, trained Hamas members in Syria and Lebanon, according to two Iranians. Paragliders trained in Lebanon, they said, while in Syria, the Hamas members were trained to raid Israeli communities and take civilians hostage.

Hezbollah has helped train other Iran-backed militias from the region before, such as the Houthis in Yemen. The Lebanese group also deployed fighters to Syria during the war there, where they trained and fought alongside Syria’s army.

Over the past six months, Hezbollah created provocations meant to mislead and distract Israel along its northern border with Lebanon and in Syria so it would think the real threat was coming from those areas, according to two Iranians briefed after the attack.

An Israeli intelligence official confirmed that hundreds of Palestinian fighters from Hamas and other groups, and possibly even more, have been trained in Hezbollah camps in Syria and Lebanon over the past years. While they may have been trained on skills used in the recent attack, he said, that does not mean that the Iranians knew how and when they would use that training.

One of the Iranians briefed on the operation said that four days before the attack, all those participating were rounded up by Hamas commanders and isolated. Their electronic devices were confiscated and they had no contact with the outside world, something that could help explain why Israel was blindsided. On Oct. 7, several hours before launching the operation, this person said, Hamas commanders informed the attackers that they would be invading Israel on speedboats, on paragliders and over land by breaking through the barbed wire fence along the territory’s border using tractors.

This account of how the attack was carried out could not be independently verified.

In retrospect, some warning signs that Israel missed may now be more apparent.

In September, Israeli intelligence officials told The New York Times that they had intelligence suggesting Mr. Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, had ordered a wide campaign against Israel including targeting its citizens abroad, conducting sabotage inside its borders, and smuggling sophisticated weapons to the Palestinians to ignite a civil war in the West Bank.

That was in retaliation for shadow war operations conducted by Israel in Iran, they said.

It was not the only talk of broad action. In various meetings of Iran’s proxy militias, several attendees said, the emphasis from leaders was that it was time to take advantage of Israel’s seething internal divisions over the judicial overhaul pushed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right coalition.

In the meeting Mr. Nasrallah held in March, he told militants to prepare for a war on a scale that would mark a turning point in the decades-long Arab-Israeli conflict (though it is unclear whether he had last week’s attack in mind).

Similarly, in audio reviewed by The Times of an April discussion among members of the Revolutionary Guards, including those involved with proxies in the region, a speaker said, “The message that is being communicated from Iran these days to the resistance is that we showcase a military maneuver to make the Zionist regime understand it is surrounded from every side.”

Even before the Hamas attack, some Israeli intelligence officials said that in hindsight, they regretted their support for Israeli targeted killings in Iran and operations to sabotage its nuclear and military facilities, because they had not been a significant deterrent to either Iran’s nuclear program or its regional activities. In fact, they had put Iran and Israel on a path of direct confrontation, one of the officials said.

On Oct. 3, four days before Hamas launched its attack on southern Israel, Mr. Khamenei’s official account in Farsi posted a message on X, formerly known as Twitter, that said: “Israel will be gone.”

The planners of the terror attack on Israel most certainly knew that it carried the risk of igniting a wider regional war. But the parties have long wanted to avenge an accumulation of grievances — from Israeli airstrikes on Gaza and Syria, to the long blockade of Gaza, to the covert war against Iran — amid a long-held collective determination to destroy Israel.

They may also have hoped to force Israel into major concessions, like lifting the blockade or keeping Israeli forces from entering the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem’s Old City — one of Islam’s holiest sites.

Hamas named its operation against Israel “The Aqsa Flood.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html

Edited October 13, 2023 by erwin

[033zero330]

Sam video nije 18+ (tj. jeste), ali opet je video o tome, kako su pucali na sve, pa i na poljske WC u ovom slučaju, ako se neko krio u njima.

 

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by 033zero330

[erwin]

Režiser Kventin Tarantino lično pružio podršku izraelskim trupama.

 

 

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Director Quentin Tarantino visited the Israeli Air Base
N12News, an Israeli media outlet that shared photos of the visit, removed its post within a short time.

[erwin]

30.11.2017.

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A leaked audio recording of former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak revealed that current Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was behind the proposal to resettle Palestinians in Sinai to decrease the population density in the Gaza Strip.

According to the recording, which was leaked by the Facebook page entitled ‘Asfeen Ya Rayes’ (We're Sorry, Mr. President), he was sitting with Netanyahu when the latter proposed transferring Palestinians to an area near Gaza.

Netanyahu, who had a map with him, pointed where they would be moved to and when Mubarak realized that he meant Sinai, he clearly told him “to forget about it,” adding that this move may cause a new war between them.

Mubarak noted that Netanyahu was testing the waters when he made that suggestion.

The former president issued a statement on Wednesday denying western media reports that he accepted to resettle Palestinians in Sinai.

He added that he and his generation fought to restore Egyptian lands occupied in 1967 and he will thus never give up any inch of Egypt.

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2017/11/30/Mubarak-reveals-Netanyahu-proposed-resettling-Palestinians-in-Sinai

[erwin]

Hamas tvrdi da su Izraelci gađali izbegličku kolonu mahom žena i dece koji su poslušali njihov zahtev da se sklone na jug i da ima 70 mrtvih i 200 ranjenih.

 

Generalni sekretar UN Antonio Gutereš apelovao na Izrael da izbegne humanitarnu katastrofu.

 

 

 

 

 

[Klotzen]

Po nekim neproverenim informacijama počeo je kopneni napad. Vrlo čudno da su se odlučili da to urade noću, osim ako samo ne zauzimaju pogranične reone. No prvo da vidimo da li je vest uopšte tačna.

[erwin]

Nastavak niza:

Spoiler

 

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by erwin

[suptil]

 

[erwin]

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13 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli occupation forces in the occupied West Bank and Jerusalem today. 13.10.23 

Izvor sa slikama svih njih: twitter.com/EyeonPalestine/status/1712902101632770512

[erwin]

 

[DJORDJE]

20 hours ago, bohumilo said:

 

 

 

Što se tiče vode, Gaza leži na izdanu, tj. ima velike količine podzemne vode. Međutim, mali problem sa antiživotnim ideologijama je da se kod njih čista voda i sve druge životne stvari na listi prioritete nalaze daleko ispod ubijanja Jevreja, pa su donacije za vodovodnu infrastrukturu, kao i gotove vodovodne i kanalizacione cevi (kao i one koje su već postavljene pa iskopane, kao što se vidi na snimku koji je kolega ostavio na prethodnoj strani) otišle u pravljenje raketa, tunela i terorističkih trening poligona - dok je vodu slao Izrael...

Dobar deo podzemnih voda je kontaminiran jer je Egipat koristio morsku vodu za plavljenje podzemnih tunela koji idu ispod granice.

 

20 hours ago, bohumilo said:

 

Ne slažem sa ovim gledištem, jer mislim da ovo nema prevelike veze sa religijom generalno ni sa islamom partikularno. Srednjevekovna islamska civilizacija je bila apsolutni vrhunac dotadašnje ljudske civilizacije u svakom smislu, i nešto što ljude i dan danas fascinira, i nešto bez čega ne bi bilo moderne zapadne civilizacije (ona je izgrađena bukvalno na ono malo knjiga iz arapskih biblioteka koje nisu spaljene od strane TADAŠNJIH varvara) - ali islam im nije ništa smetao. Samo, gle čuda, ona nije građena na pokliču "nož, žica, ubij, zakolji", i bila je daleko tolerantnija prema Jevrejima nego tadašnja Evropa.

Apsolutno se slazem sa ovom ocenom, najveci broj hriscanskih objekata je tokom tog perioda sacuvan, otomanska imperija je bila tolerantnija prema ostalim religijama i rasama od tadasnje Evrope. Sadasnji oblik islamskog fundamentalizma potice od arapskog nacionalizma sa kraja 19tog veka , a Arapi kao najbrojnija etnicka grupa u islamu, nametnuli su ga ostalim muslimanima.

 

20 hours ago, bohumilo said:

 

 

 

Kao što su za vreme WWII palestinski "borci" bili trenirani od strane svojih saveznika iz SS-a, tako su posle rata (ili posle Suecke krize) trenirani od strane različitih komunističkih militanata, a naročito baš nemačkih terorista, grupe Bader-Majnhof, Revolucionarnih ćelija itd. Netanjahuov brat Džonatan je poginuo 1976. u akciji* spašavanja izraelskih talaca iz aviona kojeg su otele nemačke "Revolucionarne ćelije" (+PFLP), preusmerile ga u savezničku Ugandu, i - baš kao svoji sunarodnici 30ak godina ranije -  odvojili Jevreje od ostalih putnika da ih likvidiraju.

 

Nas veliki prijatelj Naser je zaposljavao bivse naciste i to nama nesvrstanima nikada nije smetalo, a ni sovjetskim instruktorima u Egiptu.

 

[033zero330]

 

Generalno nije smešno, ali opet jeste.

 

 

 

[Klotzen]

Večeras dok sam čitao razno razne kanale i vesti mi je bio uključen stream iz Gaze i mogu vam reći da večeras Izrael žestoko bombarduje za razliku od pređašnjih večeri. Svakih 10-tak minuta padne po nekoliko bombi.

[Gistro Bančo]

1 hour ago, 033zero330 said:

 

Generalno nije smešno, ali opet jeste.

 

 

 

Ovo gornje vrlo lako može biti stvarna žrtva…post-mortem boja krvi (modrica/ogrebotina) …ne mogu sa sigurnoscu da tvrdim da jeste riječ o stvarnoj situaciji ali me jezivo podsjeća na momente kad smo izvlačili poginule od granata u ratu u BiH. I boja kože, blijedilo usana, ogrebotine i kako se krupan čovjek pretvori u šačicu...
Donje zaista ne mogu da dokučim šta je …ovo već djeluje namješteno. Svejedno bih se suzdržao od zaključivanja bez iole nezavisne potvrde. 
usput..barem jedan dio donjeg videa je sigurno sa snimanja filma..evo i link

 

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Gistro Bančo

[Clash]

Da su pored nasih studenata i US srudenti katastrofa vidi se po ovim protestima na univerzitetima.

Aj da dajes podrsku Palestini i narodu, rat je pa neki mirovni pokret pa ovo ono da jos i shvatim.

Ali ti dajes podrsku Hamasu i usred Amerika sviras kurcu i deres se Intifada i trazis unistenje Izraela?!

Pa da li si ista naucio na tom fakiltetu i za koji djavo ga studiras? 
Ne treba im oprastati one studentske kredite, treba dici kamatu jos vise na te kredite.