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1 minute ago, implant said:

 

Da, ali bez mudrog rukovođenja i upravljanja situacijom koja je u više navrata pretila da eskalira, uspeh bi bio doveden u pitanje. Stoga, apelujem da se starosedeocima, pa čak i švajcarskim i španskim jereticima, dodele prikladne nagrade...neke VIP džidža-bidže koje mogu da se nakače na avatar, recimo.

 

Nego, ti si prava osoba za ovo pitanje: Novak je jednom prilikom pričao da su igrači dužni da budu u stalnom kontaktu sa anti-doping kontrolom. Jel to važi samo za periode kada su na turnirima?

 

prvi bold: :heart:

 

drugi bold: Ne, tokom cele godine moraju da dostavljaju gde se nalaze i oni mogu da im dodju bilo kad. Nekoliko puta mogu da propuste testiranje, tj. da ne bude na naznacenoj adresi, ali ne znam tacno koliko. Mozda @wwww zna :classic_smile:

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Just now, Boxy said:

 

prvi bold: :heart:

 

drugi bold: Ne, tokom cele godine moraju da dostavljaju gde se nalaze i oni mogu da im dodju bilo kad. Nekoliko puta mogu da propuste testiranje, tj. da ne bude na naznacenoj adresi, ali ne znam tacno koliko. Mozda @wwww zna :classic_smile:

 

 

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Da, tako nešto je i meni ostalo u sećanju, da moraju da dostavljaju podatke gde će biti. Da li to onda znači da anti-doping kontrola zna i kada je on bio testiran i za kada su mu bile zakazane ove...aktivnosti koje su sada u centru pažnje? Logično bi bilo da da, valjda.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, implant said:

 

 

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Da, tako nešto je i meni ostalo u sećanju, da moraju da dostavljaju podatke gde će biti. Da li to onda znači da anti-doping kontrola zna i kada je on bio testiran i za kada su mu bile zakazane ove...aktivnosti koje su sada u centru pažnje? Logično bi bilo da da, valjda.

 

 

 

Mislim da da, moraju da imaju sve informacije.

Cesto su znali na kraju godine da izbace cak i koliko cesto je koji teniser bio testiran, ali to je bilo pre par godina, vise se ni ne secam podataka.

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1 hour ago, L' Imperatore said:

 

U samom početku covid potvrda u sloveniji, ministar za zdravlje pokazao svoju qr kodu, ljudi iskopirali i koristili 😄

 

 

Pre nekih mesec dana su u Francuskoj hakovali Makronov kod i bilo je iz zezanja hiljade ljudi sa Makronovim kodom i vakcinalnom propusnicom

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Just now, Boxy said:

 

Mislim da da, moraju da imaju sve informacije.

Cesto su znali na kraju godine da izbace cak i koliko cesto je koji teniser bio testiran, ali to je bilo pre par godina, vise se ni ne secam podataka.

 

Hmmmm...znači, još jedan potencijalni izvor informacija. Ok, hvala :thumbsup:.

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Komentar objavljen na australijskom javnom servisu. 

 

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Australia made to look foolish over government's handling of Novak Djokovic visa

A sense of proportion is a very useful quality in politics. In the case of Novak Djokovic, the Morrison government has lost that sense entirely.

Late Monday in the Federal Circuit Court, Judge Anthony Kelly quashed last week's cancellation of the tennis star's visa, done on his arrival in Australia to play in the Australian Open.

The judge read a minute, agreed to by both sides, which said Djokovic wasn't given sufficient opportunity to respond at the border (the saga went through the early hours when he couldn't contact people).

With Djokovic's court win, the government immediately faced an invidious choice – accept its humiliation or launch a fresh, hairy-chested offensive.

Immigration Minister Alex Hawke has the power to move, under his ministerial discretion, to cancel the now-restored visa.

On Monday night, a spokesman for Mr Hawke said "the minister is currently considering the matter and the process remains ongoing".

Surely, it would have been better for the government to just cut its losses at once. The speaker of Serbia's parliament, Ivica Dacic, made some sense in saying "the process should have ended when the court ruled".

Most Australians – in a highly vaccinated population – would struggle with the tennis star's resistance to the jab. It seems perverse and irresponsible.

Many would say he should not have been allowed to get on a plane to come to Australia, whether or not he had met the (unclear) technicalities of the medical exemption criteria.

All fair enough. But the government shenanigans after he was granted a visa and arrived at Melbourne airport blew the matter into a diplomatic incident and the theatre of the absurd.

Some commentators argue the government calculated that throwing Djokovic out would be a political distraction from the horrors of the escalating Omicron crisis.

But really? Would people struggling with illness, the search for tests, and the disruption to employment and businesses, have their attention so readily diverted? Certainly not for more than an instant.

Looked at rationally, it is near impossible to understand why the government chose to get itself into this mess. Or why it left things hanging after the court decision.

It would be a stretch to argue Djokovic is a danger to public health. Earlier in the pandemic, the unvaccinated player might have been a COVID risk – that is, when we had more or less "suppressed" the virus.

That's hardly the case now, when the latest COVID wave is spreading – and being allowed by the authorities to spread – like wildfire.

The government may have wanted to use a tall poppy to reinforce that "tough-borders" message – you don't get in if you don't follow "the rules", as Prime Minister Scott Morrison said.

But the evidence given in Monday's court case indicated Djokovic arrived thinking he had followed the rules. And it turns out the government got its comeuppance from the court for not abiding by procedural rules.

Kelly declared during the hearing, "The point I'm somewhat agitated about is what more could this man have done" to comply with the rules.

Anyway, it defies common sense to believe Djokovic would have undertaken the trip unless he thought things were in order.

The federal and Victorian governments, Tennis Australia, Border Force and Djokovic himself all share responsibility for this inglorious episode, which has been laced with confusion.

Assuming Djokovic arrived on a sincere misapprehension, the sensible course would have been for the government to have found a way through rather than resorting to its heavy-handedness at the border.

This has made Australia look like hicksville, and been bad for the reputation of the Australian Open.

Serbia mightn't be France, but its president can also pack a punch when national pride is at stake.

Turning Serbia's national hero into Australia's national villain has been harder than the government thought. It's become an own goal for the government's latest "operation sovereign borders" chapter.

Michelle Grattan is a professorial fellow at the University of Canberra and chief political correspondent at The Conversation, where this article first appeared.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-11/australia-made-to-look-foolish-over-handling-djokovic-visa/100748724

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Mislim da da, moraju da imaju sve informacije.
Cesto su znali na kraju godine da izbace cak i koliko cesto je koji teniser bio testiran, ali to je bilo pre par godina, vise se ni ne secam podataka.
Postoji tolerancija da odredjeni broj puta možeš da ne budeš na lokaciji koju si dostavio jer dolaze nenajavljeni ali ako si tamo, nezavisno od okolnosti, ne možeš da odbiješ uzimanje uzorka. Marej ih je svojevremeno napušio i oterao sa svog ranča jer su mu banuli tokom njegove rodjendanske žurke.
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1 minute ago, Wingwalker said:

Postoji tolerancija da odredjeni broj puta možeš da ne budeš na lokaciji koju si dostavio jer dolaze nenajavljeni ali ako si tamo, nezavisno od okolnosti, ne možeš da odbiješ uzimanje uzorka. Marej ih je svojevremeno napušio i oterao sa svog ranča jer su mu banuli tokom njegove rodjendanske žurke.

 

Da, to sam napisala, imaju pravo nekoliko puta da preskoce, ali ne znam tacan broj.

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Vidim ovde baca se hejt na Srdjana, kao rekao ovo, ono, pa sta. Ima covek pravo da kaze sta hoce. To sto je on uradio i kako je uspeo Novaka da dovede u vrh tenisa, je meni fascinantno.

Ne verujem da bi bilo ko od nas ovde uspeo da tako nesto uradi, jer je za to trebalo da se imaju muda, da se sve proda, da se zaduzuje kod lihvara i da u isto vreme podize jos dva sina. On i Dijana su za mene zaista roditelji heroji. Ruku na srce, pa recite za sebe da li bi bili sposobno tako nesto da uradite.

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QR kod je postao dostupan posto je sam Djokovic dao odobrenje. Dokumenti koji se predstavljaju sudu su javni.  Tako da, ne, niko nije nacinio zlocin time sto je iskoristio tu informaciju.

 

kakve budalastine se nece sve ovde prenositi sa tvitera, naucite malo da filtrirate te informacije i obratite paznju koje gurue pratite.

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14 minutes ago, Amigo said:

Vidim ovde baca se hejt na Srdjana, kao rekao ovo, ono, pa sta. Ima covek pravo da kaze sta hoce. To sto je on uradio i kako je uspeo Novaka da dovede u vrh tenisa, je meni fascinantno.

Ne verujem da bi bilo ko od nas ovde uspeo da tako nesto uradi, jer je za to trebalo da se imaju muda, da se sve proda, da se zaduzuje kod lihvara i da u isto vreme podize jos dva sina. On i Dijana su za mene zaista roditelji heroji. Ruku na srce, pa recite za sebe da li bi bili sposobno tako nesto da uradite.

Biti odlican roditelj, koji ce sve uraditi za svoju decu i generalno idiot oko nekih drugih stvari, ne iskljucuje jedno drugo. 

 

Svaka im cast na Novaku. 

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2 hours ago, wwww said:

posle pocetnog Govedaricinog filozofiranja, krenula je prica oko testa i Novakovog pojavljivanja u javnosti, gde je Visko imao zanimljiv predlog, pogledaj.

 

Koji predlog, klasicno blamiranje kaze verovatno je zaboravio da je radio test 😄

 

Ili mislis na genijalni predlog da Srbija pokaze da je pravna drzava tako sto ce pokrene sudski proces protiv Djokovica? Posto nam jelte samo to fali da li bi dokazali kakvo smo sila?

 

 

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Rekao je nesto slicno i kod Obucine i meni je to ok. Rekao je da Novak treba da da odgovore, ako ne odmah danas, a ono bar kad se turnir zavrsi, ako ga bude igrao, jer smatra da nam to duguje i da snosi konsekvence ako treba. I to je skroz ok.

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51 minutes ago, Boxy said:

 

prvi bold: :heart:

 

drugi bold: Ne, tokom cele godine moraju da dostavljaju gde se nalaze i oni mogu da im dodju bilo kad. Nekoliko puta mogu da propuste testiranje, tj. da ne bude na naznacenoj adresi, ali ne znam tacno koliko. Mozda @wwww zna :classic_smile:

Mislim da ne smeju da propuste test tri puta u godinu dana, treći put se valjda kažnjava, ali moram da proverim...

 

Opet ste mi pobegli sa postovima i ne stižem :mad:

 

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Treba ih malo upoznati i sa glavnim kandidatima za drugo mjesto. Taggat ću njihove fanove pa nek svatko ukratko opiše svoga

 

@alcesta @der Gabelschwanz Teufel @Malkolm Brogdon @Milica @McLeod (dodao bih tu još jednog forumaša al trenutno nije ovdje)

 

Ništa te nisam razumela :classic_biggrin:

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2 minutes ago, McLeod said:

Rekao je nesto slicno i kod Obucine i meni je to ok. Rekao je da Novak treba da da odgovore, ako ne odmah danas, a ono bar kad se turnir zavrsi, ako ga bude igrao, jer smatra da nam to duguje i da snosi konsekvence ako treba. I to je skroz ok.

 

Pa to je jedino pametno sto je rekao da nema smisla da se konferencija onako zavrsi... 

 

 

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