Rat u Ukrajini

[fancy]

3 hours ago, Dragan said:

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"Hvala Bogu da imamo Putina", rekao je Vjačeslav, dok je njegov sin klimnuo glavom u znak saglasnosti.

 

 

Kakva ekipa 🤡

Ispranog mozga, neopterećeni mišlju.

 

[Don Dusko]

Hvala gospodinu Putinu sto mi je sjebao ceo zivot. Jbg.

[033zero330]

 

Another one...

 

Another one...

 

 

[Hamilton]

Lepa vest. 

[Dragan]

Spoiler

 

 

 

Edited January 8 by Dragan

[badenac]

On 1/7/2025 at 6:30 AM, McLeod said:

Procitao sam sta je Makron rekao i ovo je pogresna interpretacija toga. Zapravo je rekao da samo od Ukrajine zavisi da li zeli da u pregovorima da teritorijalne koncesije Rusima, a na Evropi je da je podrzi.

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"French President Emmanuel Macron on Monday, January 6, urged Ukraine to have "realistic" expectations on territory as its fight against the Russian invasion heads into a fourth year. Speaking to French ambassadors about a range of foreign policy topics, he said he saw no "quick and easy solution" to the conflict.

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Trump has promised to bring a swift end to nearly three years of fighting, without offering any concrete proposals for a ceasefire or peace deal. "The United States of America must help us to change the nature of the situation and convince Russia to come to the negotiating table," Macron said. "The new American president knows himself that the United States has no chance of winning anything if Ukraine loses," Macron said.

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Europe will have to offer "security guarantees" for Ukraine, he added. He also warned that the credibility of Western countries would be "shattered" if they agreed to compromise on Ukraine because of "fatigue." "A capitulation by Ukraine cannot be good for Europeans and Americans," the French president said.

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https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2025/01/06/macron-urges-ukraine-for-realistic-expectations-warns-about-iran-in-middle-east_6736752_7.html

 

Daladjeovska politika prema Ukrajini koja je manje-vise konstantna od polovine 2022. godine.Verovatno resenje koje se kuva - dejtonizacija Ukrajine pomesana sa nekom novom verzijom  rezolucije 1244. Apsurd je sto ce Tramp doci na svoje zahvaljujuci "pozrtvovanim,saosecajnim " Evropljanima.Eh,sada sto je takva klima  i do Ukrajinaca mozda je pravo pitanje za ovaj forum.

Dve i po godine bez velike vojne pobede ali sa mnogo price o Lazarima i Milosima koji na novom Kosovu polju brane EU od Putina ohladilo je simpatije  velikog dela evropske javnosti prema pravednim ciljevima ukrajinske borbe.Ukrajina ne ratuje da bi specila rusku cizmu u Berlinu,Varsavi ili Helsinkiju nego da bi oslobodila okupirane delove svoje ,medjunarodnim dogovorima i ugovorima priznate teritorije.  

[Klotzen]

Gubici Rusa na putu u okolini Pokrovska.

 

 

Nažalost ogroman zločin Rusa u Zaporižju. Pogodili su ulicu u industrijskoj zoni u momentu kada su se ljudi vraćali kući sa posla. 13 mrtvih i 113 ranjenih za sada.

 

 

 

[djura.net]

Ako se ista moze verovati ovim ljudima

 

bbc

 

Donald Trump has said that a meeting is being arranged between himself and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The US president-elect gave no timeline for when the meeting might take place.

"He wants to meet and we are setting it up," he said in remarks at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.

Russian news agency Tass quotes Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov saying that the US has not yet formally requested a meeting.

[033zero330]

Bilo je najavljeno, da će se nešto eventualno dogoditi i neko je mnogo, mnogo ljut.

 

 

 

[djura.net]

Reuters

 

Ukraine has captured two North Korean soldiers in Russia's Kursk region, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Saturday, the first time Ukraine has announced the capture of North Korean soldiers alive since their entry into the war last autumn.

In a post on X, Zelenskiy said that the soldiers had been brought to Kyiv and were communicating with the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), the country's domestic intelligence agency.

"As with all prisoners of war, these two North Korean soldiers are receiving the necessary medical assistance," Zelenskiy said. He said that journalists would be given access to speak to them.

[Hamilton]

Ova dva srecnika se vise nece vracati tamo odakle su dosli. 

[033zero330]

[DJ_Vasa]

1 hour ago, Hamilton said:

Ova dva srecnika se vise nece vracati tamo odakle su dosli. 

 

Ako bi se Ukrajinci setili da svakom severnokorejskom vojniku koji se dobrovoljno preda poklone državljanstvo, mislim da bi Putler morao da se baci na proizvodnju kiborga koji bi za njega ratovali.

[fancy]

Kako je ovo 👆 dooobra ideja

[djura.net]

bbc

 

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says he is willing to hand over two captured North Korean soldiers to Pyongyang in exchange for Ukrainian prisoners of war in Russia.

"For those North Korean soldiers who do not wish to return, there may be other options available," Zelensky said on X. Those who want "to bring peace closer by spreading the truth about this war in Korean will be given that opportunity", he added.

[fancy]

15 minutes ago, djura.net said:

For those North Korean soldiers who do not wish to return

 

Ovo implicira da su ih uhvatili više od dvojice o kojima se pisalo... 

[Dragan]

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

[033zero330]

Trenutno je žurka, leti sve živo po rusnji i okupiranim područjima.

 

Nemoguće je sve ispratiti, možda fokus na krim i putaljski most.

[033zero330]

Trenutno centar dešavanja brjansk.

 

 

 

[033zero330]

Gorivni depo za bazu engels po drugi put, da se dokrajči.

 

 

[Hamilton]

Just buuuurnn!

[fancy]

Zanimljiv komentar:

 

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At this point, there seem to be more Russian petroleum facilities burning than NOT burning.

 

 

[Dragan]

 

 

 

 

Edited January 14 by Dragan

[djura.net]

cnn

 

Negotiations on ending the conflict seem unlikely at present.

 

“The reason is simple. Moscow is not ready for any compromises. It plays for victory, not a draw,” says Arkady Moshes, writing in 19FortyFive.

 

“Success can be achieved on the battlefield or at the negotiating table, but it must be unquestionable. In Putin’s view, Ukraine needs to be defeated, and the West has to admit Ukraine’s – and its own – defeat publicly,” Moshes adds.

 

Trump’s Ukraine envoy, former US general Keith Kellogg, said last week that he hoped to be able to come up with a solid and sustainable solution to the conflict within 100 days. Trump himself had said on the campaign trail that he would get the fighting stopped within 24 hours of taking office, but when asked more recently how soon he could end the conflict said: “I hope to have six months. No, I would think, I hope long before six months.”

 

How the Kremlin’s unchanged goals square with the incoming Trump administration’s plans is unclear.

Ryan, the Futura Doctrina blogger, believes Putin “is likely to ensure that no matter what, the 100-day objective fails. He has no compelling reason to come to the table right now, thinking he has the momentum in this war.”

 

At an absolute minimum Moscow will demand that Ukraine cedes the territory it has lost and abandon its drive to join NATO, which Trump believes was a provocation to Russia.

Instead, Kyiv would have to negotiate other guarantees, as Zelensky said in an interview on Italian television this past week, that would “prevent Russia from returning with aggression.”

But the Kremlin is likely to demand much more.

 

Kyiv is “expected to accept extensive limitations on the size of its armed forces and on the kinds of weapons systems it is allowed to possess. These proposals are not a recipe for a sustainable settlement,” according to the Atlantic Council’s Serhii Kuzan.

 

Moscow has shown no sign of abandoning its maximalist demand for the totality of all four regions it claims to have annexed. “This would mean handing over large amounts of unoccupied Ukrainian territory including the city of Zaporizhzhia with a population of around three quarters of a million people,” notes Kuzan.

 

For now, both the White House and many commentators see no desire by either side to begin talks. “There is no expectation now that either side is ready for negotiations,” US National Security spokesman John Kirby said in recent days.

[MeanMachine]

U Ukrajini se digla velika frka jer je bio plan da se popuni pesadija sa osobljem iz ratnog vazduhoplovsta vise od 5000 je trebalo biti prebaceno, pa je na kraju Zelenski morao da reaguje i zabrani tu ideju:

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/01/14/7493582/

Edited Tuesday at 09:23 PM by MeanMachine