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1 hour ago, Darko said:

Tu je bio epski raspad, malo drugačija situacija. Al dobro možda i prođe za Francuze, ali Nemce? 

Za Nemacku sam procitao neko istrazivanje da je smesno nizak procenat ljudi spreman da brani zemlju u slucaju nekog rata, sto je i ocekivano obzirom na demografiju tamo.

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2 hours ago, Darko said:

Tu je bio epski raspad, malo drugačija situacija. Al dobro možda i prođe za Francuze, ali Nemce? 

Francuzi imaju neuporedivo ozbiljniju vojsku od Njemaca, imaju bar desetak hiljada ljudi koji imaju iskustvo operacija u neprijateljskom okruženju u Sahelu i stotine ili hiljade ljudi koji imaju iskustvo održavanja logistike za ozbiljno veliki ekpedicioni kontingent tokom više godina. To nije rat visokog intenziteta, ali Njemci nemaju ni to. 

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15 minutes ago, HAMMER said:

Nemci imaju industriju

 

Koja je poslednji kompletan avion napravila početkom 1945., dok Francuzi kilavi kakvi jesu sami prave od A do Š svjetski best seller što se tiče frontline avijacije.

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Jebeš avione. :lol_2:

 

Kad smo kupovali nešto od francuske bele tehnike i bili ponosni na to i hvalili se komšijama, kumovima i rodbini do 2. kolena?

A tek auto industrija nije za poređenje. 

(I sa tim se slaže i majstor Mićo)

 

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7 hours ago, Beonegro said:

Ja sam sve više ubijeđen da se Ukrajinci drže mnogo bolje nego što bi se na njihovom mjestu držali Njemci ili Francuzi, a možda čak i Njemci i Francuzi zajedno, Konkretno za Francuze, moj subjektivni osjećaj je da bi nakon nekoliko nedelja gubitaka u ljudstvu kakve imaju Ukrajinci u poslednjih godinu i po dana kapitulirali isto kao pred Hitlerom 1940. 

Onako čisto subjektivno, mislim da su u Evropi spremni na ovakav rat Balti, kojih je premalo da bi bili faktor, Poljaci, i možda Rumuni, jer su i njih sovjeti poprilično ponizili tokom dvadesetog vijeka. 

 

Mislim da ne grijesis, ali mislim da su iza Poljaka i  baltickih drzava na otpor najspremniji Finci, potom  Rumuni, Norvezani i Svedjani, i tek kasnije Francuzi, Britanci i Holandjani.

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1 hour ago, fancy said:

A tek auto industrija nije za poređenje. 

 

Pretpostavljam da se sprdaš, njemačka autoindustrija je u najboljem slučaju sektor za totalnu restrukturaciju. Ima 40 godina kako nisu ponudili suštinski nov proizvod.

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To je tacno, al bolje da vozis novu seriju nemackog auta od pre 40 godina nego najnoviji francuski auto. Ne postoji gori odnos cene i kvaliteta ni u jednoj industriji. Ne kaze se za dzabe ovde Francuza kupujes u najgorem slucaju jednom, a u najboljem nijednom.

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3 minutes ago, McLeod said:

To je tacno, al bolje da vozis novu seriju nemackog auta od pre 40 godina nego najnoviji francuski auto. Ne postoji gori odnos cene i kvaliteta ni u jednoj industriji. Ne kaze se za dzabe ovde Francuza kupujes u najgorem slucaju jednom, a u najboljem nijednom.

 

Bah, to možda oni koji ne vole udobnost. Tu su francuzi debelo pre nemaca. 

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Prvenstveno mislim na pouzdanost i prakticnost, kao i to koliko kosta i najjednostavnija popravka i zamena delova. Recimo Pezo 306 i druge serije maltene treba da skidas glavu motora da zamenis jebene svecice. I 500l sa ful opremom je udoban pa vredi bar duplo manje od onoga sto kosta.

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Kakve veze ima auto industrija i vojna industrija? Pa kakve je tek katastrofa automobile cccp pravio...

 

Danas Francuska pravi Rafal ali i nuklearne podmornice i strateške rakete za iste. Takođe pravi razno naoružanje za Rafal i to 100 posto francusko.

 

A napravila je i nuklearni nosač aviona i planira još ozbiljniji da gradi.

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19 hours ago, Beonegro said:

Francuzi imaju neuporedivo ozbiljniju vojsku od Njemaca, imaju bar desetak hiljada ljudi koji imaju iskustvo operacija u neprijateljskom okruženju u Sahelu i stotine ili hiljade ljudi koji imaju iskustvo održavanja logistike za ozbiljno veliki ekpedicioni kontingent tokom više godina. To nije rat visokog intenziteta, ali Njemci nemaju ni to. 

 

Akosenevaram, i Milorad Legija je bio neko mudo tamo, pa naisao na tvrdo u ex-SFRJ ratovima kad je protivnik imao malo bolju opremu od sikire i strele. 

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46 minutes ago, 40Wins said:

 

 

Akosenevaram, i Milorad Legija je bio neko mudo tamo, pa naisao na tvrdo u ex-SFRJ ratovima kad je protivnik imao malo bolju opremu od sikire i strele. 

 

Nigdje on nije naišao na tvrdo, bio je u Bihaću kao konsultant, da obučava paravojsku Fikreta Abdića, ali se nije primicao frontu.

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CNN

 

Ukraine has developed a laser weapon capable of shooting down targets from more than a mile away, the country’s drone force commander has claimed.

 

Speaking at a defense summit in Kyiv this week, Vadym Sukharevskyi, Commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine’s Unmanned Systems said, “Today, we can already shoot down aircraft with this laser at an altitude of over 2 kilometers (1.2 miles).”

“It truly works, it truly exists,” he said, the Interfax-Ukraine news agency reported, adding that efforts were being made to enhance the weapon’s scale and capabilities.

The laser is named the Tryzub.

 

Sukharevskyi did not offer any further details about the Tryzub laser and CNN cannot verify his claims. 

 

Patrick Senft of the Armament Research Services, a technical intelligence consultancy specializing in arms in munitions research, told CNN that while little is known about the Tryzub system, “it is entirely feasible for Ukraine to develop a functional directed-energy weapon (DEW) capable of destroying some aerial targets. This is particularly achievable by using commercial, off-the-shelf welding lasers combined with other available technologies,” Senft said, pointing to the US Navy’s Laser Weapons System (LaWS) that has operated at comparable ranges since 2014.

 

Senft explained that laser directed-energy weapons (DEW) were particularly effective against slow, low-flying drones deployed by Russia, as those drones consist of comparatively fragile components that are vulnerable to heat.

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8 hours ago, 40Wins said:

 

 

Akosenevaram, i Milorad Legija je bio neko mudo tamo, pa naisao na tvrdo u ex-SFRJ ratovima kad je protivnik imao malo bolju opremu od sikire i strele. 

 

Ulemek je bio neki nizi cin u Legiji stranaca, ekvivalent desetaru na stalnoj sluzbi u JNA....

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Reuters 

 

"We would not prolong the transit of Russian gas. We will not give the possibility of additional billions to be earned on our blood, on the lives of our citizens," Zelenskiy told a news conference during a European Union summit in Brussels.

But he added: "If the country is ready to give us the gas, but not to pay the money back to Russia until the end of the war, then it's a possible potentiality. We can think about it."

The European Commission has said it is ready for the contract to expire, and all countries receiving Russian fuel via the Ukraine route have access to alternative supplies.

Zelenskiy lambasted Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico, who has warned of the economic hit his country will face if it loses cheap gas from Russia.

"To be honest, during war, it's a bit shameful to talk about money, because we are losing people," Zelenskiy said.

Zelenskiy said he told Fico on Thursday that Ukraine would be open to carrying another country's gas through its infrastructure to reach Europe - but it would need assurances that this was not merely re-labelled Russian fuel.

"We have to know that we will only transit gas if it's not coming from Russia," Zelenskiy said.

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Nisam siguran da je tehnički izvodljivo ali čini mi se da bi kroz Rusiju mogao da ide Kazahstanski gas. To bi mogao biti kompromis za Slovačku i ostale. Mada ako su tri godine sedeli i nisu se spremali za ovo onda su i zaslužili da fasuju ekonomsku krizu zbog gasa.

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Svestan sam da je rec o poludelom diktatoru, ali je ovo sasvim nov nivo ludila. Nije mi vise cudno sto su Musk i Trump zaljubljeni u budalu.

 

cnn

 

During the press conference, Putin boasted about the capability of the Oreshnik, a new nuclear-capable ballistic missile that Russia recently fired at the Ukrainian city of Dnipro. He also repeated an earlier threat to strike Ukraine again with the missile, suggesting that it be fired at Kyiv as a test of Western-supplied air defense equipment.

 

“Let them propose … some kind of technological experiment – a kind of high-tech duel of the 21st century, let’s say,” Putin said. “Let them determine some target to be hit, for example in Kyiv, they concentrate all their air and missile defense forces there, and we will strike there with the Oreshnik. And we’ll see what happens.”

 

He added: “We are ready for such an experiment. In any case, we don’t rule it out. We will conduct such an experiment, such a technological duel, and see what happens. It’s interesting.”

 

Putin appeared to make similarly glib remarks about the war in Ukraine at the beginning of his comments Thursday, intimating that war was making life more interesting.

 

“You know, when everything is calm, measured, stable, you get bored. Stagnation. You need some action. As soon as the action starts, everything whizzes past your head: seconds, bullets. Unfortunately, bullets are whistling now.”

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